Re: 2007 Kingston Messabout
--- "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
to take a GPS along ... and paint some draft marks at some modules. I
guess you can set a record for "pax times knots per horse"... In other
words: for a boat with similar number of passengers you otherwise
would certainly need more horses to reach the speed that you will get.
Also, intersting would be how TIMS handles longitudinal waves, i.e.
whether the modules move up and down and the joints are a bit
flexible, or whether everything stays stiff.
Cheers,
and looking forward to some great photos of the Messabout ...
especially of TIMS.
Stefan
> TIMS, hmmmm........ we'll see.In case you revive it ... and I do certainly hope so! ... don't forget
to take a GPS along ... and paint some draft marks at some modules. I
guess you can set a record for "pax times knots per horse"... In other
words: for a boat with similar number of passengers you otherwise
would certainly need more horses to reach the speed that you will get.
Also, intersting would be how TIMS handles longitudinal waves, i.e.
whether the modules move up and down and the joints are a bit
flexible, or whether everything stays stiff.
Cheers,
and looking forward to some great photos of the Messabout ...
especially of TIMS.
Stefan
Stability is a strange thing, but the biggest things
that help it are hull shape at the chine, and the beam
or the craft.
A hard chine is going to be stiffer then a rounded
builge d hull of the same beam. The round builge hull
rolls in the water as the weight is moved side to
side. Where as a hard chine hull tend not to.
Yes a Brick is going to be more stable do to being 48
inch beam as I recall and the hard chine. The hard
chine has more floation as you move out from center
line then a round chine or a multi chine hull does and
that is what add to it's stiffness/stability.
This is why in a small craft feels tippy when you are
alone in the boat in the bow, your waterline beam is
not a lot unless you are in something like a john boat
where it carries it's beam all the way to the bow.
Dave Gerr does a good job talking about this in The
Nature of Boats.
Blessings Krissie
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that help it are hull shape at the chine, and the beam
or the craft.
A hard chine is going to be stiffer then a rounded
builge d hull of the same beam. The round builge hull
rolls in the water as the weight is moved side to
side. Where as a hard chine hull tend not to.
Yes a Brick is going to be more stable do to being 48
inch beam as I recall and the hard chine. The hard
chine has more floation as you move out from center
line then a round chine or a multi chine hull does and
that is what add to it's stiffness/stability.
This is why in a small craft feels tippy when you are
alone in the boat in the bow, your waterline beam is
not a lot unless you are in something like a john boat
where it carries it's beam all the way to the bow.
Dave Gerr does a good job talking about this in The
Nature of Boats.
Blessings Krissie
> Which begs the question, for maximum stability (that____________________________________________________________________________________
> fits in the bed
> of a pickup truck), what?
>
> I know that Tortoise is remarkably stable, so then
> perhaps a Brick is
> the most stable.
>
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I have built a Junebug and can attest to its stability. I would
caution, though, if you venture out to the bow, say, to fend off or the
like, it does feel tippy. I'm not sure of the physics, but I think it's
because it's not very wide near the pointy front end. I feel very
secure anywhere amidships or astern.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, Michigan
caution, though, if you venture out to the bow, say, to fend off or the
like, it does feel tippy. I'm not sure of the physics, but I think it's
because it's not very wide near the pointy front end. I feel very
secure anywhere amidships or astern.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, Michigan
> i recently finished a junebug to carry on top of my stretched bantamWhich begs the question, for maximum stability (that fits in the bed
> and want to caution prospective builders about its stability
of a pickup truck), what?
I know that Tortoise is remarkably stable, so then perhaps a Brick is
the most stable.
i recently finished a junebug to carry on top of my stretched bantam
and want to caution prospective builders about its stability
(Bruce). Its a nice rowboat and yes you can stand up and walk
around, BUTT, if you are larger than normal or less than agile i
don't think its for you.Mr. BOlger points out its not for motoring
and of course he's absolutely right.The tail end is narrow and has
little flotation duie to the rocker so even with my honda 2 the bow
was sky high and there is not enough room to shift around, a motor
needs a long, long extension handle. Now the second rowing position
forward is also narrow so with two aboard i find it does not row as
satisfactorily as hoped. Yes you can stand up but it feels tippy,
more like a thoroughbred than a cart horse.And of course florida
water is warm and shallow and i weigh 175 pounds. Thats up to you
canadiens to translate to kilos.The junebug sheer also prevents to
boat from cuddling close to the deck when upside down. So I didnt
think this boat suitable after sea trials so of course i tried to
improve it. I kept the maximum beam ran it all the way aft, took the
aft rocker out and cut the sheer flat. Its an ugly duckling but
suits the motor better and does row so its now on the roof spoiling
the nice looks of the Bantam.The JUnebug is upside down on sawhorses
with grapefruit falling on it. I'm sure I will grow to love it but
I'm not sure its right for you and your beautiful lady, Bruce.
and want to caution prospective builders about its stability
(Bruce). Its a nice rowboat and yes you can stand up and walk
around, BUTT, if you are larger than normal or less than agile i
don't think its for you.Mr. BOlger points out its not for motoring
and of course he's absolutely right.The tail end is narrow and has
little flotation duie to the rocker so even with my honda 2 the bow
was sky high and there is not enough room to shift around, a motor
needs a long, long extension handle. Now the second rowing position
forward is also narrow so with two aboard i find it does not row as
satisfactorily as hoped. Yes you can stand up but it feels tippy,
more like a thoroughbred than a cart horse.And of course florida
water is warm and shallow and i weigh 175 pounds. Thats up to you
canadiens to translate to kilos.The junebug sheer also prevents to
boat from cuddling close to the deck when upside down. So I didnt
think this boat suitable after sea trials so of course i tried to
improve it. I kept the maximum beam ran it all the way aft, took the
aft rocker out and cut the sheer flat. Its an ugly duckling but
suits the motor better and does row so its now on the roof spoiling
the nice looks of the Bantam.The JUnebug is upside down on sawhorses
with grapefruit falling on it. I'm sure I will grow to love it but
I'm not sure its right for you and your beautiful lady, Bruce.
Hi Harry,
Yes, I'm fine. Reports of my death have been greatly exagerated! It was
simply a rhum and wine induced stupor induced by too much contact with
that infamous French-Welsh-Canadian scoundrel Peter Lenihan!
Rideau Acres is again giving us free use of their docks for what I hope
will be another great Messabout.
Nope, haven't built a thing! New teenager in my life [YUK] with a
penchant for house parties has me using all my (sic) "skills" and epoxy
repairing cracked doors and split door frames. The Gougeon Brother's
keep getting richer as I get poorer.
Work has stalled on my Michalak Jewelbox Junior due to our current
outdoor deep freeze. I believe I came north a few weeks too early!
I have designs on building a shortened June Bug, to about 14 feet, to
make a better fitting load in an 6 foot pickup box. I like her flat
bottom and plumb sides for the stability. My newest wench unfortunately
has fairly advanced MS and needs all the safety a flat bottom can
provide on entry and, hopefully planned, exits.
Other than that, I have some rot repairs to due on Adagio and a re-
engineing project on her so we can get some serious 1000 Island
houseboating done this summer.
TIMS, hmmmm........ we'll see.
Bruce Hector
Yes, I'm fine. Reports of my death have been greatly exagerated! It was
simply a rhum and wine induced stupor induced by too much contact with
that infamous French-Welsh-Canadian scoundrel Peter Lenihan!
Rideau Acres is again giving us free use of their docks for what I hope
will be another great Messabout.
Nope, haven't built a thing! New teenager in my life [YUK] with a
penchant for house parties has me using all my (sic) "skills" and epoxy
repairing cracked doors and split door frames. The Gougeon Brother's
keep getting richer as I get poorer.
Work has stalled on my Michalak Jewelbox Junior due to our current
outdoor deep freeze. I believe I came north a few weeks too early!
I have designs on building a shortened June Bug, to about 14 feet, to
make a better fitting load in an 6 foot pickup box. I like her flat
bottom and plumb sides for the stability. My newest wench unfortunately
has fairly advanced MS and needs all the safety a flat bottom can
provide on entry and, hopefully planned, exits.
Other than that, I have some rot repairs to due on Adagio and a re-
engineing project on her so we can get some serious 1000 Island
houseboating done this summer.
TIMS, hmmmm........ we'll see.
Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> The other Bruce H. --Your alive!!
>
> Build anything lately? Are you going to add more sections to the TIMS?
>
> HJ
The other Bruce H. --Your alive!!
Build anything lately? Are you going to add more sections to the TIMS?
HJ
Bruce Hector wrote:
Build anything lately? Are you going to add more sections to the TIMS?
HJ
Bruce Hector wrote:
> It's officially on!
>
> The third bi-annual Kingston Messabout is a go!
>
> Confirmed attendees already include John Bartlett of Loon, Turtle and
> Pelican fame from Florida and points north, Steve Bosquette of
> Sneakeasy, mini Sneak and AF4 Grandisimo fame of Portland Maine, and
> the infamous pyratical fuo of Peter "Tabernac! where'e me rhum lad!"
> Lenihan of Montreal and Bruce Hector, Le Mouton Noir de Kingston.
>
> Location: Rideau Acres Campgroud, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
>http://www.rideauacres.com/
>
> Dates: September 7, 8 and 9, 2007
>
> Past History:
>
> Richard Fry's DW article on the 2003 Messabout.
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/gatherings/kingston/messabout.htm
>
> Steve Bosquette's 2005 article:
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
>
> I'll update the
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
> website when I get back north, I'm in the sunny south just now, but the
> location and events will be the same as what's already up, just change
> the dates.
>
> Anyone planning to attend is invited to eMail me at
>bruce_hector@..., please include a pic of your vessel and make
> the subject "Messabout" so I can pick it out from the spam.
>
> Happy Messaboutings All.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
It's officially on!
The third bi-annual Kingston Messabout is a go!
Confirmed attendees already include John Bartlett of Loon, Turtle and
Pelican fame from Florida and points north, Steve Bosquette of
Sneakeasy, mini Sneak and AF4 Grandisimo fame of Portland Maine, and
the infamous pyratical fuo of Peter "Tabernac! where'e me rhum lad!"
Lenihan of Montreal and Bruce Hector, Le Mouton Noir de Kingston.
Location: Rideau Acres Campgroud, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
http://www.rideauacres.com/
Dates: September 7, 8 and 9, 2007
Past History:
Richard Fry's DW article on the 2003 Messabout.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/gatherings/kingston/messabout.htm
Steve Bosquette's 2005 article:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
I'll update the
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
website when I get back north, I'm in the sunny south just now, but the
location and events will be the same as what's already up, just change
the dates.
Anyone planning to attend is invited to eMail me at
bruce_hector@..., please include a pic of your vessel and make
the subject "Messabout" so I can pick it out from the spam.
Happy Messaboutings All.
Bruce
The third bi-annual Kingston Messabout is a go!
Confirmed attendees already include John Bartlett of Loon, Turtle and
Pelican fame from Florida and points north, Steve Bosquette of
Sneakeasy, mini Sneak and AF4 Grandisimo fame of Portland Maine, and
the infamous pyratical fuo of Peter "Tabernac! where'e me rhum lad!"
Lenihan of Montreal and Bruce Hector, Le Mouton Noir de Kingston.
Location: Rideau Acres Campgroud, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
http://www.rideauacres.com/
Dates: September 7, 8 and 9, 2007
Past History:
Richard Fry's DW article on the 2003 Messabout.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/gatherings/kingston/messabout.htm
Steve Bosquette's 2005 article:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
I'll update the
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/gatherings/kingston/index.htm
website when I get back north, I'm in the sunny south just now, but the
location and events will be the same as what's already up, just change
the dates.
Anyone planning to attend is invited to eMail me at
bruce_hector@..., please include a pic of your vessel and make
the subject "Messabout" so I can pick it out from the spam.
Happy Messaboutings All.
Bruce