Re: Sailing the Bobcat
I would think that an increase in flotation would be good. If I were
to do it all over again, I would seriously consider making the rear
area under the "seat" a sealed compartment. That should give you
plenty of positive bouyancy along with the foam up front. Better yet
seal this compartment off as well seeing as to how it is totally
inaccessible once the deck is put on. Having said all of that I have
never worried about flotation for the boat. The boat is very stable,
I sail in protected waters for the most part and always wear a life
vest. In the event that the boat became swamped so bad that I could
not bail it, and or sank I would just start swimming toward shore.
Bobby
to do it all over again, I would seriously consider making the rear
area under the "seat" a sealed compartment. That should give you
plenty of positive bouyancy along with the foam up front. Better yet
seal this compartment off as well seeing as to how it is totally
inaccessible once the deck is put on. Having said all of that I have
never worried about flotation for the boat. The boat is very stable,
I sail in protected waters for the most part and always wear a life
vest. In the event that the boat became swamped so bad that I could
not bail it, and or sank I would just start swimming toward shore.
Bobby
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@...> wrote:
>
> Yes I have your articles bookmarked and I read them. Thank you for
> sharing.
>
> Do you find the boat safe enough with the little bit of flotation
> front and back?
> I am thinking of enclosing all the under deck areas, a bit like in
the
> Fireball to keep a small cockpit and a lot of storage and buoyancy.
> Every compartment would have a hatch either in the side accessible
> from the cockpit or from the top in the deck for access and
> ventilation but I have to check if it would not add too much
weight.
> A double bottom above the water line instead of floorboards is
another
> consideration that would make the boat self draining at the mooring
> and on a run and add buoyancy. But this solution might reduce the
> cockpit depth too much.
>
> Thank you for your interest. I'll try to keep you posted when I
start,
> probably not before May and in case I haven't found a used one in
the
> mean time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Thierry
>
Yes I have your articles bookmarked and I read them. Thank you for
sharing.
Do you find the boat safe enough with the little bit of flotation
front and back?
I am thinking of enclosing all the under deck areas, a bit like in the
Fireball to keep a small cockpit and a lot of storage and buoyancy.
Every compartment would have a hatch either in the side accessible
from the cockpit or from the top in the deck for access and
ventilation but I have to check if it would not add too much weight.
A double bottom above the water line instead of floorboards is another
consideration that would make the boat self draining at the mooring
and on a run and add buoyancy. But this solution might reduce the
cockpit depth too much.
Thank you for your interest. I'll try to keep you posted when I start,
probably not before May and in case I haven't found a used one in the
mean time.
Cheers
Thierry
sharing.
Do you find the boat safe enough with the little bit of flotation
front and back?
I am thinking of enclosing all the under deck areas, a bit like in the
Fireball to keep a small cockpit and a lot of storage and buoyancy.
Every compartment would have a hatch either in the side accessible
from the cockpit or from the top in the deck for access and
ventilation but I have to check if it would not add too much weight.
A double bottom above the water line instead of floorboards is another
consideration that would make the boat self draining at the mooring
and on a run and add buoyancy. But this solution might reduce the
cockpit depth too much.
Thank you for your interest. I'll try to keep you posted when I start,
probably not before May and in case I haven't found a used one in the
mean time.
Cheers
Thierry
Hello... I finished a Bobcat and started sailing her last year. The
boat sails very well, launches easily, and will hold 2 adults fairly
comfortably and can even have a kid along. The boat can take the
weight of more people easily, you just run out of room to put them. I
wrote a couple of articles for Duckworks Magazine, the second article
was dedicated to the Bobcats sailing abilities. Here are the links to
those articles.
Part1:http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/bobcat/index.htm
Part2:http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/bobcat2/index.htm
If you have anymore questions feel free to Email me @
txsailor37@...
Bobby
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@...> wrote:
boat sails very well, launches easily, and will hold 2 adults fairly
comfortably and can even have a kid along. The boat can take the
weight of more people easily, you just run out of room to put them. I
wrote a couple of articles for Duckworks Magazine, the second article
was dedicated to the Bobcats sailing abilities. Here are the links to
those articles.
Part1:http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/bobcat/index.htm
Part2:http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/bobcat2/index.htm
If you have anymore questions feel free to Email me @
txsailor37@...
Bobby
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@...> wrote:
>not
> Hello All,
>
> I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
> quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat but
> enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.with
>
> I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the sailing
> flaws of the boat, if any.
>
> Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping its
> long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
>
> Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff yawl
> a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance theboat
> while reefed, etc...Scotia,
>
> I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova
> which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
> Thierry
>
OK,
I made my mind,
if there is a Bobcat for sale I would be interested to know about it.
Thanks all,
Thierry
I made my mind,
if there is a Bobcat for sale I would be interested to know about it.
Thanks all,
Thierry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
As a family boat the bobcat may be a little small.I grew up sailing
several different 14 foot gaff cat boat dinghys. All performed well.
One in particular had a lot of buoyancy and did carry regularly 4-5
adults or near-adults at a time, without being over burdened.
I took care of a friends 15foot Wittholtz cat boat for a few weeks
about 25 years ago and think that may be about as good as you can get
for an easily sailed roomy small boat, capable of reasonable
cruising. These boats are really pretty as well. I think plans are
available from Woodenboat. They are I think a little more work to
build, being what might be called traditional plywood construction
rather than having full sized patterns and tack and tape, but I think
these boats are great and definitely worth the effort.
JG
>Hello,
As a family boat the bobcat may be a little small.I grew up sailing
several different 14 foot gaff cat boat dinghys. All performed well.
One in particular had a lot of buoyancy and did carry regularly 4-5
adults or near-adults at a time, without being over burdened.
I took care of a friends 15foot Wittholtz cat boat for a few weeks
about 25 years ago and think that may be about as good as you can get
for an easily sailed roomy small boat, capable of reasonable
cruising. These boats are really pretty as well. I think plans are
available from Woodenboat. They are I think a little more work to
build, being what might be called traditional plywood construction
rather than having full sized patterns and tack and tape, but I think
these boats are great and definitely worth the effort.
JG
> Hi Thierry,some
>
> I must admit I hit the send button before I realized Rob was
> involved. I should pay more attention.
>
> I'd say Bobcat is too small for you. Although the boat itself is a
> 12 footer, the cockpit is definitely on the small side and wouldn't
> accommodate your family.
>
> I've forwarded your email to the owner of the boat I spoke of, he
> will be able to give you better information.
>
> BTW, I've seen Bill Garden's Tomcat up close, both on the water and
> in his shop, and it is a beautiful little boat. It sails very well
> too, as you'd expect. Much roomier than Bobcat, but five people is
> going to be a crowd in any 12 footer!
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > No, you're not wrong. We had three grown men in her, and we
> were
> > > sitting down on the floor boards -- we even had one corner left
> over
> > > for a fourth. We were comfortable but we weren't out there for
> a
> > > long time or in more than 10 knots of wind. However, I believe
> the
> > > other two guys day-sailed together quite regularly, and they
> didn't
> > > mention any problems. You could lower the coamings a bit and
> sit on
> > > the deck instead, like a conventional sailing dinghy.
> > >
> > > The owner is building a Chebacco now, which I think is the
> perfect
> > > solution, but then I'm hardly objective about that.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, if you want a sturdy, stable daysailer, with
> > > character and reasonable performance, Bobcat is good choice.but
> > > However if you want more than just adequate cockpit space, you
> > > should look around some more.
> > >
> > > I'm basing this on a single experience and my personal
> comparison to
> > > other boats I've sailed. You might want to get a second or
> third
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jamie
> >
> > Jamie,
> >
> > I am not sure if this answer is directed to me or to Rob.
> >
> > Anyway, I usually sail alone but occasionally have my family with
> me
> > which can be up to 5 (lean) people.
> > I am looking for a daysailer to keep on a mooring from may to
> december.
> > I want the boat to be stable enough to be sailed by one person
> bighave
> > enough to take more people and still fast enough.
> > I want a very good looking boat to grace the cove where I will
> > the mooring and I thing the Bobcat is really good looking,will
> certainly
> > nicer than the Beetle and almost as beautiful as the Tom Cat by
> > William Garden.
> > I want a short boat to pick up with my utility trailer at the end
> of
> > the season and to store easily.
> > I have made a couple of Teals and this is a great boat to row and
> keep
> > on a ramp but it's a bit scary as a daysailer, especially because
> it
> > has no side decks, no flotation and the standing lug rig I put on
> it
> > makes the boat unstable downwind (death roll). Though one Teal
> > stay on the ramp to reach the New Boat at his mooring.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Thierry
> >
>
Hi Thierry,
I must admit I hit the send button before I realized Rob was
involved. I should pay more attention.
I'd say Bobcat is too small for you. Although the boat itself is a
12 footer, the cockpit is definitely on the small side and wouldn't
accommodate your family.
I've forwarded your email to the owner of the boat I spoke of, he
will be able to give you better information.
BTW, I've seen Bill Garden's Tomcat up close, both on the water and
in his shop, and it is a beautiful little boat. It sails very well
too, as you'd expect. Much roomier than Bobcat, but five people is
going to be a crowd in any 12 footer!
Jamie
I must admit I hit the send button before I realized Rob was
involved. I should pay more attention.
I'd say Bobcat is too small for you. Although the boat itself is a
12 footer, the cockpit is definitely on the small side and wouldn't
accommodate your family.
I've forwarded your email to the owner of the boat I spoke of, he
will be able to give you better information.
BTW, I've seen Bill Garden's Tomcat up close, both on the water and
in his shop, and it is a beautiful little boat. It sails very well
too, as you'd expect. Much roomier than Bobcat, but five people is
going to be a crowd in any 12 footer!
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > No, you're not wrong. We had three grown men in her, and we
were
> > sitting down on the floor boards -- we even had one corner left
over
> > for a fourth. We were comfortable but we weren't out there for
a
> > long time or in more than 10 knots of wind. However, I believe
the
> > other two guys day-sailed together quite regularly, and they
didn't
> > mention any problems. You could lower the coamings a bit and
sit on
> > the deck instead, like a conventional sailing dinghy.
> >
> > The owner is building a Chebacco now, which I think is the
perfect
> > solution, but then I'm hardly objective about that.
> >
> > In my opinion, if you want a sturdy, stable daysailer, with some
> > character and reasonable performance, Bobcat is good choice.
> > However if you want more than just adequate cockpit space, you
> > should look around some more.
> >
> > I'm basing this on a single experience and my personal
comparison to
> > other boats I've sailed. You might want to get a second or
third
> > opinion.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jamie
>
> Jamie,
>
> I am not sure if this answer is directed to me or to Rob.
>
> Anyway, I usually sail alone but occasionally have my family with
me
> which can be up to 5 (lean) people.
> I am looking for a daysailer to keep on a mooring from may to
december.
> I want the boat to be stable enough to be sailed by one person but
big
> enough to take more people and still fast enough.
> I want a very good looking boat to grace the cove where I will have
> the mooring and I thing the Bobcat is really good looking,
certainly
> nicer than the Beetle and almost as beautiful as the Tom Cat by
> William Garden.
> I want a short boat to pick up with my utility trailer at the end
of
> the season and to store easily.
> I have made a couple of Teals and this is a great boat to row and
keep
> on a ramp but it's a bit scary as a daysailer, especially because
it
> has no side decks, no flotation and the standing lug rig I put on
it
> makes the boat unstable downwind (death roll). Though one Teal will
> stay on the ramp to reach the New Boat at his mooring.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Thierry
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
I am not sure if this answer is directed to me or to Rob.
Anyway, I usually sail alone but occasionally have my family with me
which can be up to 5 (lean) people.
I am looking for a daysailer to keep on a mooring from may to december.
I want the boat to be stable enough to be sailed by one person but big
enough to take more people and still fast enough.
I want a very good looking boat to grace the cove where I will have
the mooring and I thing the Bobcat is really good looking, certainly
nicer than the Beetle and almost as beautiful as the Tom Cat by
William Garden.
I want a short boat to pick up with my utility trailer at the end of
the season and to store easily.
I have made a couple of Teals and this is a great boat to row and keep
on a ramp but it's a bit scary as a daysailer, especially because it
has no side decks, no flotation and the standing lug rig I put on it
makes the boat unstable downwind (death roll). Though one Teal will
stay on the ramp to reach the New Boat at his mooring.
Cheers
Thierry
>Jamie,
> Hi,
>
> No, you're not wrong. We had three grown men in her, and we were
> sitting down on the floor boards -- we even had one corner left over
> for a fourth. We were comfortable but we weren't out there for a
> long time or in more than 10 knots of wind. However, I believe the
> other two guys day-sailed together quite regularly, and they didn't
> mention any problems. You could lower the coamings a bit and sit on
> the deck instead, like a conventional sailing dinghy.
>
> The owner is building a Chebacco now, which I think is the perfect
> solution, but then I'm hardly objective about that.
>
> In my opinion, if you want a sturdy, stable daysailer, with some
> character and reasonable performance, Bobcat is good choice.
> However if you want more than just adequate cockpit space, you
> should look around some more.
>
> I'm basing this on a single experience and my personal comparison to
> other boats I've sailed. You might want to get a second or third
> opinion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
I am not sure if this answer is directed to me or to Rob.
Anyway, I usually sail alone but occasionally have my family with me
which can be up to 5 (lean) people.
I am looking for a daysailer to keep on a mooring from may to december.
I want the boat to be stable enough to be sailed by one person but big
enough to take more people and still fast enough.
I want a very good looking boat to grace the cove where I will have
the mooring and I thing the Bobcat is really good looking, certainly
nicer than the Beetle and almost as beautiful as the Tom Cat by
William Garden.
I want a short boat to pick up with my utility trailer at the end of
the season and to store easily.
I have made a couple of Teals and this is a great boat to row and keep
on a ramp but it's a bit scary as a daysailer, especially because it
has no side decks, no flotation and the standing lug rig I put on it
makes the boat unstable downwind (death roll). Though one Teal will
stay on the ramp to reach the New Boat at his mooring.
Cheers
Thierry
Hi,
No, you're not wrong. We had three grown men in her, and we were
sitting down on the floor boards -- we even had one corner left over
for a fourth. We were comfortable but we weren't out there for a
long time or in more than 10 knots of wind. However, I believe the
other two guys day-sailed together quite regularly, and they didn't
mention any problems. You could lower the coamings a bit and sit on
the deck instead, like a conventional sailing dinghy.
The owner is building a Chebacco now, which I think is the perfect
solution, but then I'm hardly objective about that.
In my opinion, if you want a sturdy, stable daysailer, with some
character and reasonable performance, Bobcat is good choice.
However if you want more than just adequate cockpit space, you
should look around some more.
I'm basing this on a single experience and my personal comparison to
other boats I've sailed. You might want to get a second or third
opinion.
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@...>
wrote:
No, you're not wrong. We had three grown men in her, and we were
sitting down on the floor boards -- we even had one corner left over
for a fourth. We were comfortable but we weren't out there for a
long time or in more than 10 knots of wind. However, I believe the
other two guys day-sailed together quite regularly, and they didn't
mention any problems. You could lower the coamings a bit and sit on
the deck instead, like a conventional sailing dinghy.
The owner is building a Chebacco now, which I think is the perfect
solution, but then I'm hardly objective about that.
In my opinion, if you want a sturdy, stable daysailer, with some
character and reasonable performance, Bobcat is good choice.
However if you want more than just adequate cockpit space, you
should look around some more.
I'm basing this on a single experience and my personal comparison to
other boats I've sailed. You might want to get a second or third
opinion.
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@...>
wrote:
>and
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> Jamie,
>
> I always thought that Bobcat was a "sit on the floor" style boat,
> like a Beatlecat. (I usually find that uncomfortable after a
> while.) Can I take it from your comments that I was wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
> > I've posted a couple of photos of a Bobcat sailing in the Photos
> > section, under Bobcat.
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind
> > > downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her asthat
> designed -
> > -
> > > I couldn't see any flaws at all.
> > >
> > > As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough
> > > there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeledover
> > > going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a runor
> aslide
> > > reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.
> > >
> > > The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you
> upThe
> > > on the beach without trouble.
> > >
> > > Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make
> sense
> > > as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.
> > >
> > > The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring.
> > > owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer,will
> > beforward
> > > $3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part
> will
> > > be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can
> anwrote:
> > > email to the owner.
> > >
> > > Jamie Orr
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@>
> > > >boat
> > > > Hello All,
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already
> found
> > > > quite a lot of information on the net about building the
> > butNova
> > > not
> > > > enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the
> > sailing
> > > > flaws of the boat, if any.
> > > >
> > > > Is there anything against the catboat going to windward,
> dipping
> > > its
> > > > long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
> > > >
> > > > Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff
> > yawl
> > > with
> > > > a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance
> the
> > > boat
> > > > while reefed, etc...
> > > >
> > > > I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg,
> > > Scotia,Ocean.
> > > > which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your comments.
> > > >
> > > > Thierry
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
Thanks
Thierry
>That is a thought. Could you please do that.
> Hi,
>
> I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind and
> downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her as designed --
> I couldn't see any flaws at all.
>
> As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough that
> there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeled over
> going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a run or a
> reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.
>
> The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you slide up
> on the beach without trouble.
>
> Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make sense
> as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.
>
> The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring. The
> owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer, will be
> $3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part will
> be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can forward an
> email to the owner.
Thanks
Thierry
Thanks for the comments!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Bell <smallboatdesigner@...> wrote:
>
> I have about an hour and half experience sailing a well finished Bobcat
> in gusty 12-17 mph winds and a short 1 foot chop. The boat sails very
> well as designed, and I would not change a thing about the rig. You
> normally sail her pretty flat, so that dipping the boom would only
occur
> in a hard chance. We never even got close.
We: was it you and the boat or with another person? How does the boat
handle with more crew. I am a 130 lbs (68kg) person.
I was thinking of running and starting on a pendulum roll. It has
happened on my big boat a few times (dipping the end of the boom) and
the boom is 20' long on a 10' beam.
Another question: is there a good reason for the foot not to be loose
footed? I find that easier to adjust the foot tension and also if you
hoist higher you can cock the boom higher too and take the tension on
the luff with a short 1:2 purchase.
She's quite stable and
> inspires a lot of confidence. The rudder with it's end plate works
> remarkably well, no need to change it either.
>
> The only complaint I have with the boat as drawn is that the tiller it
> too low. It would be easier to steer from the stern sheets if the
tiller
> was high enough to go over your thigh.
I had already noticed on the front picture of the book that the
steerer sits on the side deck but needs to bend to reach the tiller.
Maybe just a tiller extension would take care of the problem and/or
use a piece of bend wood for the tiller.
Cheers
Thierry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
I always thought that Bobcat was a "sit on the floor" style boat,
like a Beatlecat. (I usually find that uncomfortable after a
while.) Can I take it from your comments that I was wrong?
Thanks,
Rob
>Jamie,
I always thought that Bobcat was a "sit on the floor" style boat,
like a Beatlecat. (I usually find that uncomfortable after a
while.) Can I take it from your comments that I was wrong?
Thanks,
Rob
> I've posted a couple of photos of a Bobcat sailing in the Photosdesigned -
> section, under Bobcat.
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind and
> > downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her as
> -a
> > I couldn't see any flaws at all.
> >
> > As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough that
> > there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeled over
> > going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a run or
> > reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.up
> >
> > The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you slide
> > on the beach without trouble.sense
> >
> > Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make
> > as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.will
> >
> > The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring. The
> > owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer, will
> be
> > $3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part
> > be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can forwardan
> > email to the owner.found
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already
> > > quite a lot of information on the net about building the boatdipping
> but
> > not
> > > enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the
> sailing
> > > flaws of the boat, if any.
> > >
> > > Is there anything against the catboat going to windward,
> > itsthe
> > > long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
> > >
> > > Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff
> yawl
> > with
> > > a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance
> > boat
> > > while reefed, etc...
> > >
> > > I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova
> > Scotia,
> > > which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your comments.
> > >
> > > Thierry
> > >
> >
>
I've posted a couple of photos of a Bobcat sailing in the Photos
section, under Bobcat.
Jamie
section, under Bobcat.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind and
> downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her as designed -
-
> I couldn't see any flaws at all.
>
> As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough that
> there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeled over
> going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a run or a
> reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.
>
> The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you slide up
> on the beach without trouble.
>
> Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make sense
> as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.
>
> The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring. The
> owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer, will
be
> $3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part will
> be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can forward an
> email to the owner.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
> > quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat
but
> not
> > enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
> >
> > I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the
sailing
> > flaws of the boat, if any.
> >
> > Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping
> its
> > long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
> >
> > Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff
yawl
> with
> > a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance the
> boat
> > while reefed, etc...
> >
> > I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova
> Scotia,
> > which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
> >
> > Thank you for your comments.
> >
> > Thierry
> >
>
Hi,
I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind and
downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her as designed --
I couldn't see any flaws at all.
As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough that
there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeled over
going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a run or a
reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.
The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you slide up
on the beach without trouble.
Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make sense
as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.
The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring. The
owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer, will be
$3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part will
be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can forward an
email to the owner.
Jamie Orr
I sailed a Bobcat last summer. She sailed very well, upwind and
downwind. Before making any changes, I would rig her as designed --
I couldn't see any flaws at all.
As far as dipping the boom, I think the boom is high enough that
there is no danger of this. In any case, you're only heeled over
going to windward, and the boom is sheeted in then. On a run or a
reach there's not much heel so it wouldn't matter.
The rudder is fine, it grips the water well and let's you slide up
on the beach without trouble.
Sailing a Bobcat is very like sailing a Chebacco, which make sense
as it's a miniature Chebacco without the mizzen.
The boat I sailed in will be coming up for sale this spring. The
owner lives in Alberta, and I think the price, with trailer, will be
$3,000. The trailer is worth $1,000 of that so the boat part will
be $2,000. Not my boat, but if you're interested I can forward an
email to the owner.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thierry" <thierry.msika@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
> quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat but
not
> enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
>
> I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the sailing
> flaws of the boat, if any.
>
> Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping
its
> long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
>
> Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff yawl
with
> a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance the
boat
> while reefed, etc...
>
> I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova
Scotia,
> which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
> Thierry
>
I have about an hour and half experience sailing a well finished Bobcat
in gusty 12-17 mph winds and a short 1 foot chop. The boat sails very
well as designed, and I would not change a thing about the rig. You
normally sail her pretty flat, so that dipping the boom would only occur
in a hard chance. We never even got close. She's quite stable and
inspires a lot of confidence. The rudder with it's end plate works
remarkably well, no need to change it either.
The only complaint I have with the boat as drawn is that the tiller it
too low. It would be easier to steer from the stern sheets if the tiller
was high enough to go over your thigh.
It's a really great boat, a lot bigger than it's 12' length would
indicate, and other than the tiller arrangement nothing needs to be changed.
JB
Thierry wrote:
in gusty 12-17 mph winds and a short 1 foot chop. The boat sails very
well as designed, and I would not change a thing about the rig. You
normally sail her pretty flat, so that dipping the boom would only occur
in a hard chance. We never even got close. She's quite stable and
inspires a lot of confidence. The rudder with it's end plate works
remarkably well, no need to change it either.
The only complaint I have with the boat as drawn is that the tiller it
too low. It would be easier to steer from the stern sheets if the tiller
was high enough to go over your thigh.
It's a really great boat, a lot bigger than it's 12' length would
indicate, and other than the tiller arrangement nothing needs to be changed.
JB
Thierry wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
> quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat but not
> enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
>
> I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the sailing
> flaws of the boat, if any.
>
> Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping its
> long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
>
> Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff yawl with
> a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance the boat
> while reefed, etc...
>
> I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia,
> which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
> Thierry
>
>
>
Hello All,
I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat but not
enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the sailing
flaws of the boat, if any.
Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping its
long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff yawl with
a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance the boat
while reefed, etc...
I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia,
which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
Thank you for your comments.
Thierry
I am thinking of building the Bobcat this spring. I already found
quite a lot of information on the net about building the boat but not
enough about sailing a cat, especially the Cape Cod type cat.
I'd like to hear about the sailing qualities and mostly the sailing
flaws of the boat, if any.
Is there anything against the catboat going to windward, dipping its
long boom on a run, the rudder maybe being too short, etc...
Has someone tried a different rig, e.g. junk rig or cat gaff yawl with
a little standing lug jigger sheeted on a boomkin to balance the boat
while reefed, etc...
I am intending to sail the boat in the Bay of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia,
which is fairly protected but still part of the Atlantic Ocean.
Thank you for your comments.
Thierry