Re: Bolger canoe yawl
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
footwell. I recall that the boat was simply a "test mule" for the box
keel concept, and not intended to fill a particular need for the
boating public.
Don Schultz
>the
> I had the thought that some version of the step sharpie would be
> right direction.the
> Flying cloud or Hasler?
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >
> > This blinks on the 'idea light bulb' in my head: why cannot a water
> > ballasted boat have a watertight recessed space 'footwell' through
> > water tank, extending down towards the keel to allow a comfortableFlying Cloud's box keel was partially flooded and partially a dry
> > place for you feet while sitting in the cabin?
footwell. I recall that the boat was simply a "test mule" for the box
keel concept, and not intended to fill a particular need for the
boating public.
Don Schultz
I had the thought that some version of the step sharpie would be the
right direction.
Flying cloud or Hasler?
right direction.
Flying cloud or Hasler?
On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> This blinks on the 'idea light bulb' in my head: why cannot a water
> ballasted boat have a watertight recessed space 'footwell' through the
> water tank, extending down towards the keel to allow a comfortable
> place for you feet while sitting in the cabin?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
posting them....thanks very much.
Yes I see the Rozinante as part of the inspiration.....It would
certainly be possible to drop a well into the double bottom tank, but
of course you would loose some of the water ballast. A little lead
ballast might compensate. I think PCB knew that though this is a
beautiful boat, it does indeed come very close to the limits of
practicality. The size of the project, combined with the relative
limited effect of the of the water ballast and the idea of being
towed by a small car keeping the trailer weight down and then the
heavy displacement shape limiting speed.
Basically there are a lot of boats that are similar in project size,
that will be faster, with more room, though perhaps a little less
seaworthy. I still consider this a boat I'd like to try, but may need
some changes or developement.
thanks again
JG
>Hi Bruce, I appreciate your effort developing the 3d views and
posting them....thanks very much.
Yes I see the Rozinante as part of the inspiration.....It would
certainly be possible to drop a well into the double bottom tank, but
of course you would loose some of the water ballast. A little lead
ballast might compensate. I think PCB knew that though this is a
beautiful boat, it does indeed come very close to the limits of
practicality. The size of the project, combined with the relative
limited effect of the of the water ballast and the idea of being
towed by a small car keeping the trailer weight down and then the
heavy displacement shape limiting speed.
Basically there are a lot of boats that are similar in project size,
that will be faster, with more room, though perhaps a little less
seaworthy. I still consider this a boat I'd like to try, but may need
some changes or developement.
thanks again
JG
> On 2/24/07, Howard Stephenson wrote:little
> >
> > I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's
> > plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl.view'
>
> Here is a model.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/pcy/Cartoon24.png
>
> Definitely an 'unfinished' Bolger design, I found that the 'plan
> of the cartoon sketch differs significantly from the section view.the
>
> Also, after looking closely I can't say I agree about the 'one of
> prettiest boats he ever drew' opinion. Though, no doubt this wouldbe
> a super fun boat to build and sail.The
>
> Yes of course, she is small, for the expressed constraint that she
> needs to be easily carried on a small trailer.
>
> This boat compares with the Steve Redmond Elver, and seems superior
> due to the increased ballast.
>
> I also see influences from Herreshoff's Rozinante, though much much
> smaller. The vision that keeps Rozinante in my dreams is the
> comfortable canvas chair in the cabin, next to the coal stove, with
> one's feet stretching out in the deep sole while reading a book.
> problem of course with Rozinante is the giant slug of lead ballastthe
> required to float down that deep buoyant sole. (Hence the appeal of
> water ballast.)
>
> This blinks on the 'idea light bulb' in my head: why cannot a water
> ballasted boat have a watertight recessed space 'footwell' through
> water tank, extending down towards the keel to allow a comfortable
> place for you feet while sitting in the cabin? Sort of like how
> Anhinga has water tanks port and starboard, either side of the
> footwell.
>
Actually, this isn't quite right. Anhinga has a footwell between the
seats. all of which sit atop the full width tank. Are you thinking of
Martha Jane, where the tanks rise up off the sole into the cabin?
http://tinyurl.com/3c7on3(bolgercartoons>anhinga>construction.gif
BTW -keep those drawings coming, Bruce. Like everyone else here, I'm
astonished by your facility with Freeship.
Mark
seats. all of which sit atop the full width tank. Are you thinking of
Martha Jane, where the tanks rise up off the sole into the cabin?
http://tinyurl.com/3c7on3(bolgercartoons>anhinga>construction.gif
BTW -keep those drawings coming, Bruce. Like everyone else here, I'm
astonished by your facility with Freeship.
Mark
On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> Anhinga has water tanks port and starboard, either side of the
> footwell.
>
On 2/24/07, Howard Stephenson wrote:
http://hallman.org/bolger/pcy/Cartoon24.png
Definitely an 'unfinished' Bolger design, I found that the 'plan view'
of the cartoon sketch differs significantly from the section view.
Also, after looking closely I can't say I agree about the 'one of the
prettiest boats he ever drew' opinion. Though, no doubt this would be
a super fun boat to build and sail.
Yes of course, she is small, for the expressed constraint that she
needs to be easily carried on a small trailer.
This boat compares with the Steve Redmond Elver, and seems superior
due to the increased ballast.
I also see influences from Herreshoff's Rozinante, though much much
smaller. The vision that keeps Rozinante in my dreams is the
comfortable canvas chair in the cabin, next to the coal stove, with
one's feet stretching out in the deep sole while reading a book. The
problem of course with Rozinante is the giant slug of lead ballast
required to float down that deep buoyant sole. (Hence the appeal of
water ballast.)
This blinks on the 'idea light bulb' in my head: why cannot a water
ballasted boat have a watertight recessed space 'footwell' through the
water tank, extending down towards the keel to allow a comfortable
place for you feet while sitting in the cabin? Sort of like how
Anhinga has water tanks port and starboard, either side of the
footwell.
>Here is a model.
> I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
> plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl.
http://hallman.org/bolger/pcy/Cartoon24.png
Definitely an 'unfinished' Bolger design, I found that the 'plan view'
of the cartoon sketch differs significantly from the section view.
Also, after looking closely I can't say I agree about the 'one of the
prettiest boats he ever drew' opinion. Though, no doubt this would be
a super fun boat to build and sail.
Yes of course, she is small, for the expressed constraint that she
needs to be easily carried on a small trailer.
This boat compares with the Steve Redmond Elver, and seems superior
due to the increased ballast.
I also see influences from Herreshoff's Rozinante, though much much
smaller. The vision that keeps Rozinante in my dreams is the
comfortable canvas chair in the cabin, next to the coal stove, with
one's feet stretching out in the deep sole while reading a book. The
problem of course with Rozinante is the giant slug of lead ballast
required to float down that deep buoyant sole. (Hence the appeal of
water ballast.)
This blinks on the 'idea light bulb' in my head: why cannot a water
ballasted boat have a watertight recessed space 'footwell' through the
water tank, extending down towards the keel to allow a comfortable
place for you feet while sitting in the cabin? Sort of like how
Anhinga has water tanks port and starboard, either side of the
footwell.
> Just as a matter of interest - how tall is PCB.Judging from the photographs, he is not a big man, either measured up
or measured around.
Just as a matter of interest - how tall is PCB.I only
ask because I've been looking at the original article
on Tortoise in SBJ which includes a picture of PCB
rowing it and he doesn't look all that big,although
since he's sitting down you can't tell.Mind you I
don't look all that big sitting down either,but,having
longish legs am 6'7" standing up,which makes me a
little bit sensitive on the subject of headroom in
boats.
cheers
Andy Airey
ps
yes,I do fancy Whalewatcher as a design,but I don't
think it would be suitable for what I want to do
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ask because I've been looking at the original article
on Tortoise in SBJ which includes a picture of PCB
rowing it and he doesn't look all that big,although
since he's sitting down you can't tell.Mind you I
don't look all that big sitting down either,but,having
longish legs am 6'7" standing up,which makes me a
little bit sensitive on the subject of headroom in
boats.
cheers
Andy Airey
ps
yes,I do fancy Whalewatcher as a design,but I don't
think it would be suitable for what I want to do
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One of the things PCB excels at is drawing pretty, tiny, boats. Somewhere, sometine after the Canoe yawl was published, PCB wrote that the design was never finished because there is hardly any room in the boat for the crew.
My interest in boats was triggered by a profile drawing of PCB.s Monhegan which was published in 'Motor Boating and Sailing' back in the early 70's. I thought (and still think) that it is gorgeous. It was only after I saw a picture of one in 'Woodenboat's' Launching section that I realized that Monhegan is a big scale model (sort of like a Cape Dory Typhoon). Since then (and with the stffness and aches of age), I always look to see how the crew will fit in any design.
JohnT
My interest in boats was triggered by a profile drawing of PCB.s Monhegan which was published in 'Motor Boating and Sailing' back in the early 70's. I thought (and still think) that it is gorgeous. It was only after I saw a picture of one in 'Woodenboat's' Launching section that I realized that Monhegan is a big scale model (sort of like a Cape Dory Typhoon). Since then (and with the stffness and aches of age), I always look to see how the crew will fit in any design.
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: gilberj55
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [bolger] Bolger canoe yawl
Hello all,
I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely one
of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans were
never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some reservations
about it being a little over-rigged.
I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would like to
know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some pictures and
find out how she sails.
JG
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Never mind--- I read the post to the link to the May 86 SBJ.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
HJ
Harry James wrote:
> Which SBJ?
>
> HJ
>
> gilberj55 wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
>> plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely one
>> of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans were
>> never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some reservations
>> about it being a little over-rigged.
>>
>> I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would like to
>> know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some pictures and
>> find out how she sails.
>>
>> JG
>>
>>
>>
>
Which SBJ?
HJ
gilberj55 wrote:
HJ
gilberj55 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
> plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely one
> of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans were
> never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some reservations
> about it being a little over-rigged.
>
> I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would like to
> know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some pictures and
> find out how she sails.
>
> JG
>
>
>
Here's a link to the SBJ article:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/canoe_mirror/ply_can
oe_yawl.html
Howard
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/canoe_mirror/ply_can
oe_yawl.html
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gilberj55" <gilberj55@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's
little
> plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely
one
> of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans
were
> never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some
reservations
> about it being a little over-rigged.
>
> I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would
like to
> know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some
pictures and
> find out how she sails.
Hello all,
I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely one
of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans were
never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some reservations
about it being a little over-rigged.
I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would like to
know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some pictures and
find out how she sails.
JG
I have wondered on and off for years if anyone ever built PCB's little
plywood water ballasted double ended canoe yawl. It is definitely one
of the prettiest boats he ever drew. As far as I know the plans were
never finished, and in the SBJ article he expressed some reservations
about it being a little over-rigged.
I have often considered it a boat I'd like to build, and would like to
know if the design was ever finished. I'd love to see some pictures and
find out how she sails.
JG