Re: School Build June Bug
I think the project is well worth the effort and risk of failure.
I built Michalaks piccup pram a couple of years ago with students.
Most were college kids, but two were middle-school age. People just
came and went freely; it was pretty chaotic.
I like PL construction adhesive, and think it is best suited to a
bolger box because you can goop on more glue on chines of that
shape. Expect the kids to take off the gloves and also ruin their
clothes.
You can see the boat we built on my website at
http://faculty.valpo.edu/gvandegr
One more thing: If you take any pictures, please consider sending
something for me to post on my website. I am trying to use the
website to promote educational boatbuilding. I actually see BYBB
studies as worthy of original (i.e. "real") research suitable for
kids of all ages.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
wrote:
I built Michalaks piccup pram a couple of years ago with students.
Most were college kids, but two were middle-school age. People just
came and went freely; it was pretty chaotic.
I like PL construction adhesive, and think it is best suited to a
bolger box because you can goop on more glue on chines of that
shape. Expect the kids to take off the gloves and also ruin their
clothes.
You can see the boat we built on my website at
http://faculty.valpo.edu/gvandegr
One more thing: If you take any pictures, please consider sending
something for me to post on my website. I am trying to use the
website to promote educational boatbuilding. I actually see BYBB
studies as worthy of original (i.e. "real") research suitable for
kids of all ages.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
wrote:
>
> Well it's a done deal.
>
> My schoolteacher friend, Marcus, his 12 or so A.D.D. "troubled'
> classmembers and I will attempt to construct a June Bug in April
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
Hi
Best of luck with this one.Going on conversations I've
had with No2 son,who left home early and spent a few
years on the fringes of society in Nottingham(UK),but
is now teaching building skills to previously excluded
kids,the important thing is not to talk down to them -
too many teachers do.You're lucky if yours are allowed
to work with edge tools - in the UK a combination of
'elf n safety and coffin chasing lawyers has closed
down most of this sort of activity because the
schools,local authorities et al are running scared
over compensation claims
cheers
Andy Airey
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Best of luck with this one.Going on conversations I've
had with No2 son,who left home early and spent a few
years on the fringes of society in Nottingham(UK),but
is now teaching building skills to previously excluded
kids,the important thing is not to talk down to them -
too many teachers do.You're lucky if yours are allowed
to work with edge tools - in the UK a combination of
'elf n safety and coffin chasing lawyers has closed
down most of this sort of activity because the
schools,local authorities et al are running scared
over compensation claims
cheers
Andy Airey
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
My recent experience with boat building for adolescents (13-year-olds in
a Montessori school) taught me about what their teachers call the theory
of adolescent relativity -- time stretches incredibly and space shrinks
proportionately. A safe margin would be to take the amount of time it
takes you to do something and multiply by four for an adolescent. throw
in another factor of two for adolescents working together.
The ADD kids in the class would either get incredibly focused on details
or wander around -- they do need help with staying on task and with
resetting priorities. The class managed to build one boat per child (in
teams of two or three) in about three times as much time as we had
budgeted, got a real kick out of using a block plane (not to mention
power tools) and really got into the painting. We built Fritz Funk's
Wacky Lassies
(http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm).
Patrick
a Montessori school) taught me about what their teachers call the theory
of adolescent relativity -- time stretches incredibly and space shrinks
proportionately. A safe margin would be to take the amount of time it
takes you to do something and multiply by four for an adolescent. throw
in another factor of two for adolescents working together.
The ADD kids in the class would either get incredibly focused on details
or wander around -- they do need help with staying on task and with
resetting priorities. The class managed to build one boat per child (in
teams of two or three) in about three times as much time as we had
budgeted, got a real kick out of using a block plane (not to mention
power tools) and really got into the painting. We built Fritz Funk's
Wacky Lassies
(http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Wacky_Lassie/Wacky_Lassie.htm).
Patrick
They say many hands make light work.... School runs to
the first part of June I think you may run out of
time. I would say set the boat up for sail but plan on
it to be a row boat. Then you can add the sail stuff
later.
I have not been able to find PL around here, but the
PL is a better choise for gluing then epoxy, more for
easer clean-up.
Yes most kids with ADD do well doing things hands on,
I know I'm one of them.
Have fun with the boat.
Blessings Krissie
--- Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
The fish are biting.
Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
the first part of June I think you may run out of
time. I would say set the boat up for sail but plan on
it to be a row boat. Then you can add the sail stuff
later.
I have not been able to find PL around here, but the
PL is a better choise for gluing then epoxy, more for
easer clean-up.
Yes most kids with ADD do well doing things hands on,
I know I'm one of them.
Have fun with the boat.
Blessings Krissie
--- Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
> Well it's a done deal.____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> My schoolteacher friend, Marcus, his 12 or so A.D.D.
> "troubled'
> classmembers and I will attempt to construct a June
> Bug in April and
> May, in class. His class has all the difficult kids
> from his school
> board and working with them should be interesting,
> to say the least!
>
> We're scheduling each Thursday afternoon from April
> 19th til she's
> done or the school year ends, terminating
> construction.
>
> His Attention Deficit Disorder kids can be a
> handful, but he swears
> they enjoy 'hands on' stuff and he believes actually
> constructing
> something as useful as a boat could be a big boost
> to their self
> esteem. I think he may be right, there are few
> events more
> satisfying than lauching and sailing in a vessel you
> made with your
> own two (PL gluded together fingers or not) hands.
> As most in this
> group can attest.
>
> The students are all familiar with basic hand and
> power tools, and
> have built bookshelves, birdhouses, etc. in the
> past.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Are we about right with this project or biting off
> more than we can
> chew?
>
> Should we aim for a pure rowboat, or can we do the
> sail rig in the
> allotted time?
>
> Should we go for screw/nails construction or would
> you add epoxy or
> PL to the mix?
>
> All comments welcome, even those that include the
> phrase "are you
> nuts?". For those who don't know me as well as that
> rascally 'wabbit
> Lenihan, the answer is a resounding YES!
>
> Bruce Hector
> Don't Miss the Great 2007 Kingston Messabout
> September 7, 8 & 9 2007.
> Rideau Acres Campground
> Kingston, ON
>
> All details, maps, etc. re: The Kingston Messabout
> at my site
>http://www.brucesboats.com
> are correct except for the dates. I can't get my FTP
> program to
> upload anything just now, dang! Password forgotten.
>
>
>
The fish are biting.
Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
As a school administrator I feel the need to chime in on the "real"
feasibility of this project. Start with number of hours to construct
and divide into the remaining school days, then...
deduct:
two snow days (or tsunami days) pending on locale
seven days for state mandated testing
four days for school assemblies
one senior skip day
two days for guidance department all school meetings
several days for teacher professional development.
two weeks for senior and final exams.
then...cut out all the parts at home, bring to school and let the
kids bang them together with 50 year old tools from the founder of
your industrial arts area as all the money has been spent on getting
the kids to pass the state mandated testing and ensure that No child
really is left behind.
Seriously - it actually should be a blast. Have fun. but get
several "moanin" chairs. In our school we call it "character
building".
david jost
feasibility of this project. Start with number of hours to construct
and divide into the remaining school days, then...
deduct:
two snow days (or tsunami days) pending on locale
seven days for state mandated testing
four days for school assemblies
one senior skip day
two days for guidance department all school meetings
several days for teacher professional development.
two weeks for senior and final exams.
then...cut out all the parts at home, bring to school and let the
kids bang them together with 50 year old tools from the founder of
your industrial arts area as all the money has been spent on getting
the kids to pass the state mandated testing and ensure that No child
really is left behind.
Seriously - it actually should be a blast. Have fun. but get
several "moanin" chairs. In our school we call it "character
building".
david jost
"Bruce Hector"
Greetings Master.......
If it were I, things would begin with finding out exactly how
many schools days are left before the end of the class year.
Then I would divide the number of parts that go into a fully
found JUNE BUG by the number of school days left.
This will tell exactly how many parts MUST be completed by the
end of each alloted school day.(Is it a whole day or one hour after
regular classes?)
Contact Bruce Hallman for more exact number of hours per
piece,per student,per peanut butter sandwich,per nagging headache
along with full cost break down(US funds). I'm sure he could pop out
a servicable JUNE BUG in a day or two between breaks in the SPYDER ;-)
I would aim high with such a project.Go with good lumber and
epoxy.Strive to instill a sense of pride in the kids for a job well
done as apposed to a job quickly done.Do your level best to ensure
the finished project enjoys a long enough useful life so as to be a
annual reminder that not everything has to be disposable.Let it be
the benchmark which next years fresh crop of kids will attempt to
surpass.
Don't be too hard on yourselves if you don't get through to all
the kids to the same degree. Some will truly shine with this novel
event in their lives while others may only come around to it later on
in their growing up years.
Also,don't rattle their developing minds with your hairy tales of
high sea adventures awash in the demon alcohol and rescues performed
on fair damsels who only become distressed AFTER your appearence.None
of it I say! God knows they'll have lots of time to discover their
own adventures without much prodding.......
So,go for it! It sounds good!
Sincerely,
Your Young Apprentice,
Pierre"deux nuts" Lenihan, encouraged by the longer evening daylight
hours,warmer temperatures and stable beer prices(a good omen if ever
there was one!), from along the melting shores of the icy
St.lawrence.........
Greetings Master.......
If it were I, things would begin with finding out exactly how
many schools days are left before the end of the class year.
Then I would divide the number of parts that go into a fully
found JUNE BUG by the number of school days left.
This will tell exactly how many parts MUST be completed by the
end of each alloted school day.(Is it a whole day or one hour after
regular classes?)
Contact Bruce Hallman for more exact number of hours per
piece,per student,per peanut butter sandwich,per nagging headache
along with full cost break down(US funds). I'm sure he could pop out
a servicable JUNE BUG in a day or two between breaks in the SPYDER ;-)
I would aim high with such a project.Go with good lumber and
epoxy.Strive to instill a sense of pride in the kids for a job well
done as apposed to a job quickly done.Do your level best to ensure
the finished project enjoys a long enough useful life so as to be a
annual reminder that not everything has to be disposable.Let it be
the benchmark which next years fresh crop of kids will attempt to
surpass.
Don't be too hard on yourselves if you don't get through to all
the kids to the same degree. Some will truly shine with this novel
event in their lives while others may only come around to it later on
in their growing up years.
Also,don't rattle their developing minds with your hairy tales of
high sea adventures awash in the demon alcohol and rescues performed
on fair damsels who only become distressed AFTER your appearence.None
of it I say! God knows they'll have lots of time to discover their
own adventures without much prodding.......
So,go for it! It sounds good!
Sincerely,
Your Young Apprentice,
Pierre"deux nuts" Lenihan, encouraged by the longer evening daylight
hours,warmer temperatures and stable beer prices(a good omen if ever
there was one!), from along the melting shores of the icy
St.lawrence.........
Hi Bruce
I work with the older versions of these guys (and have the home
version via my wife. He's a carpenter now if that tells you anything.)
Marcus is right, they'll probably be great at it and should enjoy the
challenge of something bigger than birdhouses. Project seems about the
right size. Big thing is having enough for all of them to keep busy.
And don't let that ADD thing confuse you. I've seen these guys spend
hours at a task they've gotten into. I'd suggest introducing PL
earlier on and if that's no problem - and it shouldn't be - think
about epoxying later.
I'm guessing that this may be the first project they've collaborated
on and you may find that the "social skills" could be an issue. Marcus
should be the go-to guy about this.
Bryant
I work with the older versions of these guys (and have the home
version via my wife. He's a carpenter now if that tells you anything.)
Marcus is right, they'll probably be great at it and should enjoy the
challenge of something bigger than birdhouses. Project seems about the
right size. Big thing is having enough for all of them to keep busy.
And don't let that ADD thing confuse you. I've seen these guys spend
hours at a task they've gotten into. I'd suggest introducing PL
earlier on and if that's no problem - and it shouldn't be - think
about epoxying later.
I'm guessing that this may be the first project they've collaborated
on and you may find that the "social skills" could be an issue. Marcus
should be the go-to guy about this.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
>
> Well it's a done deal.
>
> My schoolteacher friend, Marcus, his 12 or so A.D.D. "troubled'
> classmembers and I will attempt to construct a June Bug in April and
> May, in class. His class has all the difficult kids from his school
> board and working with them should be interesting, to say the least!
>
> We're scheduling each Thursday afternoon from April 19th til she's
> done or the school year ends, terminating construction.
>
> His Attention Deficit Disorder kids can be a handful, but he swears
> they enjoy 'hands on' stuff and he believes actually constructing
> something as useful as a boat could be a big boost to their self
> esteem. I think he may be right, there are few events more
> satisfying than lauching and sailing in a vessel you made with your
> own two (PL gluded together fingers or not) hands. As most in this
> group can attest.
>
> The students are all familiar with basic hand and power tools, and
> have built bookshelves, birdhouses, etc. in the past.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Are we about right with this project or biting off more than we can
> chew?
>
> Should we aim for a pure rowboat, or can we do the sail rig in the
> allotted time?
>
> Should we go for screw/nails construction or would you add epoxy or
> PL to the mix?
>
> All comments welcome, even those that include the phrase "are you
> nuts?". For those who don't know me as well as that rascally 'wabbit
> Lenihan, the answer is a resounding YES!
>
> Bruce Hector
> Don't Miss the Great 2007 Kingston Messabout
> September 7, 8 & 9 2007.
> Rideau Acres Campground
> Kingston, ON
>
> All details, maps, etc. re: The Kingston Messabout at my site
>http://www.brucesboats.com
> are correct except for the dates. I can't get my FTP program to
> upload anything just now, dang! Password forgotten.
>
Well it's a done deal.
My schoolteacher friend, Marcus, his 12 or so A.D.D. "troubled'
classmembers and I will attempt to construct a June Bug in April and
May, in class. His class has all the difficult kids from his school
board and working with them should be interesting, to say the least!
We're scheduling each Thursday afternoon from April 19th til she's
done or the school year ends, terminating construction.
His Attention Deficit Disorder kids can be a handful, but he swears
they enjoy 'hands on' stuff and he believes actually constructing
something as useful as a boat could be a big boost to their self
esteem. I think he may be right, there are few events more
satisfying than lauching and sailing in a vessel you made with your
own two (PL gluded together fingers or not) hands. As most in this
group can attest.
The students are all familiar with basic hand and power tools, and
have built bookshelves, birdhouses, etc. in the past.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Are we about right with this project or biting off more than we can
chew?
Should we aim for a pure rowboat, or can we do the sail rig in the
allotted time?
Should we go for screw/nails construction or would you add epoxy or
PL to the mix?
All comments welcome, even those that include the phrase "are you
nuts?". For those who don't know me as well as that rascally 'wabbit
Lenihan, the answer is a resounding YES!
Bruce Hector
Don't Miss the Great 2007 Kingston Messabout
September 7, 8 & 9 2007.
Rideau Acres Campground
Kingston, ON
All details, maps, etc. re: The Kingston Messabout at my site
http://www.brucesboats.com
are correct except for the dates. I can't get my FTP program to
upload anything just now, dang! Password forgotten.
My schoolteacher friend, Marcus, his 12 or so A.D.D. "troubled'
classmembers and I will attempt to construct a June Bug in April and
May, in class. His class has all the difficult kids from his school
board and working with them should be interesting, to say the least!
We're scheduling each Thursday afternoon from April 19th til she's
done or the school year ends, terminating construction.
His Attention Deficit Disorder kids can be a handful, but he swears
they enjoy 'hands on' stuff and he believes actually constructing
something as useful as a boat could be a big boost to their self
esteem. I think he may be right, there are few events more
satisfying than lauching and sailing in a vessel you made with your
own two (PL gluded together fingers or not) hands. As most in this
group can attest.
The students are all familiar with basic hand and power tools, and
have built bookshelves, birdhouses, etc. in the past.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Are we about right with this project or biting off more than we can
chew?
Should we aim for a pure rowboat, or can we do the sail rig in the
allotted time?
Should we go for screw/nails construction or would you add epoxy or
PL to the mix?
All comments welcome, even those that include the phrase "are you
nuts?". For those who don't know me as well as that rascally 'wabbit
Lenihan, the answer is a resounding YES!
Bruce Hector
Don't Miss the Great 2007 Kingston Messabout
September 7, 8 & 9 2007.
Rideau Acres Campground
Kingston, ON
All details, maps, etc. re: The Kingston Messabout at my site
http://www.brucesboats.com
are correct except for the dates. I can't get my FTP program to
upload anything just now, dang! Password forgotten.