Re: [bolger] Re: Small outboards
Hey Clyde talk to a dealer seeing how a lot of times
they do have old that they will sell it below list
just to move it.
A lot of times the warehouse will have up to two year
old units some times older then that, just sitting so
have them look into it for you. You never know you may
hit paydirt.
Blessings Krissie
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they do have old that they will sell it below list
just to move it.
A lot of times the warehouse will have up to two year
old units some times older then that, just sitting so
have them look into it for you. You never know you may
hit paydirt.
Blessings Krissie
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> In looking at the Yamaha page, I think the High____________________________________________________________________________________
> Thrust 25 is no more
> which does not bode well for one of my plans. Clyde
>
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I recently hosted Bob Slimak while he was here in south Florida to enjoy the
weather and use his Bantam to cruise Pine Island Sound and south to the Ten
Thousand Islands. His estimate for his loaded Bantam was 2600lbs without
crew. He took me on a short run just before he left and headed north to the
St Johns or Suwannee for further cruising and camping. He has a Yamaha 25
High Thrust. Turning 5000 rpm we were moving around 10 mph on the gps.
Esther Mae (Tennessee) has a standard Yamaha 25 with a 11 x 9 ½ prop and
weighs around 1600 without crew. Running at 4000 rpm, gps speed is close to
13 mph. (I am working on determining why I can only get 4000 rpm out of my
engine) Fuel consumption is close to 10 mile / gallon. I am well over 300
hours in the last year with many of them at WOT and it still starts with a
quick turn of the key, holding the starter engaged is a no no. I have
tried a smaller pitched prop and only gained 200 rpm but lost 2 mph, have
not used a larger prop, yet. I would not be afraid to put a standard 25 on
something that was 5000 lbs plus, it just will not plane most likely. I
would also not spend much time at WOT.
I was around a lot of OMC products since the late 60s right up until this
engine (2000 year model, bought used with the boat); I will not be going
back to them. My business is permitting and project management in the
marine environment. I talk with a lot of marine contractors, none of them
are running OMC, or Mercury and most are running 4 strokes. Yamaha, Honda
and Suzuki are very popular, these engines take a beating. They are on
everything from skiffs right up to push boats for 60 barges. State Parks
is still running a lot of Mercury motors, I suspect due to a fleet purchase
arraignment. In talking with State Parks staff they would not put Mercury
on their private boats. Again; Yamaha gets my vote along with four stroke
motors in general. They are slightly heavier than two strokes, but
considering the size of the average American (myself included at 6 & 230
lbs), it would be a better deal all around if the owners lost the weight
rather than making up the difference in fuel consumption and exhaust
discharge.
Caloosarat
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clyde Wisner
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:18 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Small outboards
In looking at the Yamaha page, I think the High Thrust 25 is no more
which does not bode well for one of my plans. Clyde
Harry James wrote:
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
weather and use his Bantam to cruise Pine Island Sound and south to the Ten
Thousand Islands. His estimate for his loaded Bantam was 2600lbs without
crew. He took me on a short run just before he left and headed north to the
St Johns or Suwannee for further cruising and camping. He has a Yamaha 25
High Thrust. Turning 5000 rpm we were moving around 10 mph on the gps.
Esther Mae (Tennessee) has a standard Yamaha 25 with a 11 x 9 ½ prop and
weighs around 1600 without crew. Running at 4000 rpm, gps speed is close to
13 mph. (I am working on determining why I can only get 4000 rpm out of my
engine) Fuel consumption is close to 10 mile / gallon. I am well over 300
hours in the last year with many of them at WOT and it still starts with a
quick turn of the key, holding the starter engaged is a no no. I have
tried a smaller pitched prop and only gained 200 rpm but lost 2 mph, have
not used a larger prop, yet. I would not be afraid to put a standard 25 on
something that was 5000 lbs plus, it just will not plane most likely. I
would also not spend much time at WOT.
I was around a lot of OMC products since the late 60s right up until this
engine (2000 year model, bought used with the boat); I will not be going
back to them. My business is permitting and project management in the
marine environment. I talk with a lot of marine contractors, none of them
are running OMC, or Mercury and most are running 4 strokes. Yamaha, Honda
and Suzuki are very popular, these engines take a beating. They are on
everything from skiffs right up to push boats for 60 barges. State Parks
is still running a lot of Mercury motors, I suspect due to a fleet purchase
arraignment. In talking with State Parks staff they would not put Mercury
on their private boats. Again; Yamaha gets my vote along with four stroke
motors in general. They are slightly heavier than two strokes, but
considering the size of the average American (myself included at 6 & 230
lbs), it would be a better deal all around if the owners lost the weight
rather than making up the difference in fuel consumption and exhaust
discharge.
Caloosarat
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clyde Wisner
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:18 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Small outboards
In looking at the Yamaha page, I think the High Thrust 25 is no more
which does not bode well for one of my plans. Clyde
Harry James wrote:
> I sailed one of the Annapolis 44's in Pensacola in the mid 60's, I[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> thought they were Yawls? Had a lot of fun. Thanks for the report on the
> Yamaha high thrust, confirms previous reports on their suitability for
> displacement hulls.
>
> HJ
>
> JJ Johnson wrote:
> > Just one more opinion, take for what it is worth, it offered with
> the best of intentions.
> >
> > Not
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In looking at the Yamaha page, I think the High Thrust 25 is no more
which does not bode well for one of my plans. Clyde
Harry James wrote:
which does not bode well for one of my plans. Clyde
Harry James wrote:
> I sailed one of the Annapolis 44's in Pensacola in the mid 60's, I[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> thought they were Yawls? Had a lot of fun. Thanks for the report on the
> Yamaha high thrust, confirms previous reports on their suitability for
> displacement hulls.
>
> HJ
>
> JJ Johnson wrote:
> > Just one more opinion, take for what it is worth, it offered with
> the best of intentions.
> >
> > Not
>
I sailed one of the Annapolis 44's in Pensacola in the mid 60's, I
thought they were Yawls? Had a lot of fun. Thanks for the report on the
Yamaha high thrust, confirms previous reports on their suitability for
displacement hulls.
HJ
JJ Johnson wrote:
thought they were Yawls? Had a lot of fun. Thanks for the report on the
Yamaha high thrust, confirms previous reports on their suitability for
displacement hulls.
HJ
JJ Johnson wrote:
> Just one more opinion, take for what it is worth, it offered with the best of intentions.
>
> Not to long ago I researched Honda and Yamaha outboards for 4-stroke hi-thrust outboards. Honda did not have one but Yamaha did. At least by the definition I used; numerically higher gear ratio and a larger hi-thrust, slower turnng prop. Yamaha had a couple of models that fit this definition, actually more than two. My experience is with the 9.9 and the 15. We mounted the 9.9 on a custom built 35 ft plywood copy of the old cheaseapeake skipjack oyseter boat and the 15 on a 44 ft Bill Luders design, also of wood, built for the Naval Academy back in the 1930s or 1940. Do not remember which year. The skipjack probably weighed in around 9500 pounds and the Luder weighed in excess of 20000. Both boats were character boats. The Skip jack was ketch rigged with racked back masts while the Luder, also a ketch, had a cloud of sails. Both were eye-candy of the first degree. Enough of this and back to my story. With a crew of three on each boat we left south florida bound for
> Maryland via the icw. both boats would top out around 5.5 knots. The both ran the whole trip without incident. The 15 used about 65% more fuel but was working much harder pushing a boat that weighed almost 3 times as much as the Skipjack.
> My conclusion, the Yamaha hi-thrust, 4 strokers are great little outboards for displacement hulls. If you want to go fast, just about any outboard will do the job.
>
>
> Regards
> JJ & Irene Johnson
> Rockport Tx. 78382
>
>
>
>
When it comes to fuel burn most gas motors with burn
.10 Gal per hour per hp. So this would account for
more fuel being used. Also they 9.9 may not have been
working as hard as the 15 was for it's rated hp.
With diesels it works out to .055 gal per hour per hp.
That is why diesel outboards are well liked by those
that use them.
When you are talking fast how fast is fast? I know a
couple of guys that use the Yamaha 15 HT on a 16
johnboat and they get out and hit 20 or so light, and
when they are loaded they still do 14 or so. Some of
their runs are 20 plus miles.
Also the larger prop helps get the power to the water
better.
Krissie
With a crew of three on each boat
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.10 Gal per hour per hp. So this would account for
more fuel being used. Also they 9.9 may not have been
working as hard as the 15 was for it's rated hp.
With diesels it works out to .055 gal per hour per hp.
That is why diesel outboards are well liked by those
that use them.
When you are talking fast how fast is fast? I know a
couple of guys that use the Yamaha 15 HT on a 16
johnboat and they get out and hit 20 or so light, and
when they are loaded they still do 14 or so. Some of
their runs are 20 plus miles.
Also the larger prop helps get the power to the water
better.
Krissie
With a crew of three on each boat
> we left south florida bound for____________________________________________________________________________________
> Maryland via the icw. both boats would top out
> around 5.5 knots. The both ran the whole trip
> without incident. The 15 used about 65% more fuel
> but was working much harder pushing a boat that
> weighed almost 3 times as much as the Skipjack.
> My conclusion, the Yamaha hi-thrust, 4 strokers
> are great little outboards for displacement hulls.
> If you want to go fast, just about any outboard will
> do the job.
>
>
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Just one more opinion, take for what it is worth, it offered with the best of intentions.
Not to long ago I researched Honda and Yamaha outboards for 4-stroke hi-thrust outboards. Honda did not have one but Yamaha did. At least by the definition I used; numerically higher gear ratio and a larger hi-thrust, slower turnng prop. Yamaha had a couple of models that fit this definition, actually more than two. My experience is with the 9.9 and the 15. We mounted the 9.9 on a custom built 35 ft plywood copy of the old cheaseapeake skipjack oyseter boat and the 15 on a 44 ft Bill Luders design, also of wood, built for the Naval Academy back in the 1930s or 1940. Do not remember which year. The skipjack probably weighed in around 9500 pounds and the Luder weighed in excess of 20000. Both boats were character boats. The Skip jack was ketch rigged with racked back masts while the Luder, also a ketch, had a cloud of sails. Both were eye-candy of the first degree. Enough of this and back to my story. With a crew of three on each boat we left south florida bound for
Maryland via the icw. both boats would top out around 5.5 knots. The both ran the whole trip without incident. The 15 used about 65% more fuel but was working much harder pushing a boat that weighed almost 3 times as much as the Skipjack.
My conclusion, the Yamaha hi-thrust, 4 strokers are great little outboards for displacement hulls. If you want to go fast, just about any outboard will do the job.
Regards
JJ & Irene Johnson
Rockport Tx. 78382
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Not to long ago I researched Honda and Yamaha outboards for 4-stroke hi-thrust outboards. Honda did not have one but Yamaha did. At least by the definition I used; numerically higher gear ratio and a larger hi-thrust, slower turnng prop. Yamaha had a couple of models that fit this definition, actually more than two. My experience is with the 9.9 and the 15. We mounted the 9.9 on a custom built 35 ft plywood copy of the old cheaseapeake skipjack oyseter boat and the 15 on a 44 ft Bill Luders design, also of wood, built for the Naval Academy back in the 1930s or 1940. Do not remember which year. The skipjack probably weighed in around 9500 pounds and the Luder weighed in excess of 20000. Both boats were character boats. The Skip jack was ketch rigged with racked back masts while the Luder, also a ketch, had a cloud of sails. Both were eye-candy of the first degree. Enough of this and back to my story. With a crew of three on each boat we left south florida bound for
Maryland via the icw. both boats would top out around 5.5 knots. The both ran the whole trip without incident. The 15 used about 65% more fuel but was working much harder pushing a boat that weighed almost 3 times as much as the Skipjack.
My conclusion, the Yamaha hi-thrust, 4 strokers are great little outboards for displacement hulls. If you want to go fast, just about any outboard will do the job.
Regards
JJ & Irene Johnson
Rockport Tx. 78382
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yep. This page leads to the history of the Crosley-Fageol-Homelite-Bearcat:
http://www.ggw.org/~cac/
My first boat was a 14' runabout with a Crosley inboard...
http://www.ggw.org/~cac/
My first boat was a 14' runabout with a Crosley inboard...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:14:54 -0700, Lewis wrote:
> Kristine,
>
> Is the Homelite Bearcat 55 the model that had the 4 cyl SOHC Crosley
> engine (about 745 cc) mounted vertically on it's nose? Nice engine,
> hard to believe it was designed in 1946 and I think hit the streets in
> 1947 and was used in many forklifts after Crosley stopped building
> cars. I was shocked to see a Homelite advertisement with a a cutaway
> view in the late 60's of this engine as the powerhead.
>
--
John <jkohnen@...>
There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism,
and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior
capacity for happiness. <H. L. Mencken>
My Yamaha long shaft, 4 stroke was actually made in France. Who knows!
Clyde
Kristine Bennett wrote:
Clyde
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> I'm a fan of the older OMC over the Merc. the reson is[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> they use more stainless steel in them over the other.
>
> Now for the newer stuff it's hard to beat the ones out
> of Japan. Anymore they are all good units. If I
> remember right all the new smaller motors from Merc.
> ar
>
>
>
>
Yep that be the motor but it's 65.5 cu. inches and the
real early engines were sheet steel blocks then they
went to the cast iron blocks. But the Homelites were
all cast blocks. The Homelite has some real big valves
for it's size. YOu can drop a Crosley intake valve out
the Homelites ex. port!
They were way ahead of their time, they had self
lubing cam lobes it is something they only started
doing in the last few years on the new OHC engines.
They stoped making them about 2 years to soon! If they
had held out and kept making them till the mid 70s
likely they would still be made today. Seeing how the
oil enbargo happend less then 18 months after they
stopped making them. That's what gave Honda their
start in outboards.
Blessings Krissie
--- "Lewis E. Gordon" <l_gordon_nica@...> wrote:
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real early engines were sheet steel blocks then they
went to the cast iron blocks. But the Homelites were
all cast blocks. The Homelite has some real big valves
for it's size. YOu can drop a Crosley intake valve out
the Homelites ex. port!
They were way ahead of their time, they had self
lubing cam lobes it is something they only started
doing in the last few years on the new OHC engines.
They stoped making them about 2 years to soon! If they
had held out and kept making them till the mid 70s
likely they would still be made today. Seeing how the
oil enbargo happend less then 18 months after they
stopped making them. That's what gave Honda their
start in outboards.
Blessings Krissie
--- "Lewis E. Gordon" <l_gordon_nica@...> wrote:
> Kristine,____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Is the Homelite Bearcat 55 the model that had the 4
> cyl SOHC Crosley
> engine (about 745 cc) mounted vertically on it's
> nose? Nice engine,
> hard to believe it was designed in 1946 and I think
> hit the streets in
> 1947 and was used in many forklifts after Crosley
> stopped building
> cars. I was shocked to see a Homelite advertisement
> with a a cutaway
> view in the late 60's of this engine as the
> powerhead.
>
> Lewis
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Kristine,
Is the Homelite Bearcat 55 the model that had the 4 cyl SOHC Crosley
engine (about 745 cc) mounted vertically on it's nose? Nice engine,
hard to believe it was designed in 1946 and I think hit the streets in
1947 and was used in many forklifts after Crosley stopped building
cars. I was shocked to see a Homelite advertisement with a a cutaway
view in the late 60's of this engine as the powerhead.
Lewis
Is the Homelite Bearcat 55 the model that had the 4 cyl SOHC Crosley
engine (about 745 cc) mounted vertically on it's nose? Nice engine,
hard to believe it was designed in 1946 and I think hit the streets in
1947 and was used in many forklifts after Crosley stopped building
cars. I was shocked to see a Homelite advertisement with a a cutaway
view in the late 60's of this engine as the powerhead.
Lewis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a fan of the older OMC over the Merc. the reson is
> they use more stainless steel in them over the other.
>
> Now for the newer stuff it's hard to beat the ones out
> of Japan. Anymore they are all good units. If I
> remember right all the new smaller motors from Merc.
> are make in Japan I don't remember what one makes them
> but they are a name brand motor.
>
> Also look at whats out there Craigslist is a good
> place to find used stuff.
>
> One of the reason I like OMC is with the older motors
> the pump vanes would curle in and let the water free
> flow through the motor and this would help flush out
> any silt in the powerhead. With Merc they still use
> the pump all the time and they tend to silt up in
> mucky water.
>
> The older OMC have an easy lower unit to rebuild or
> reseal, Merc they are a bear most every time to do the
> same job. The joke in the shop I worked in for a
> number of years was "How do you get a Merc apart? Heat
> and beat it!" That was one of the reason we had a
> rosebud tourch for getting them apart. This was also
> the shop where I learned to love the old Homelite
> Bearcats.
>
> I know there are strong feeling on both side of this
> and a lot of the time it's the little things that make
> a boat motor easy or hard to work on.
>
> I have 2 Homelite Bearcat outboards they are 55 HP and
> run like a top. Ones a 1966 and the other is a 1969 if
> I remember right. Don't sell the old one short. A lot
> of time you can pick them up for next to nothing.
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- Paul Smith <paulnsmith@...> wrote:
>
> > Greetings
> > To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and
> > some of you other salts out there. I'm in
> > the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be
> > used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
> > also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water.
> > Which models and makers seem to be the
> > best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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>
Well all the lower unit seals and bearings are off the
shelf. Water pump impelers are a bit spendy. Tune-up
parts you get at Napa. Carb parts take a but of
looking but they are out there.
There is a man in Calf. that rebuilds them and is
having some of the hard to find stuff made. He baught
up all the stuff from the shop where I worked. The
hard thing to find is props and prop cones. I ended up
making one out of stainless for my last motor.
Yes I do enjoy tormenting the Honda people at the Boat
show when they start blowing and going about 4 cycle
outboards. Oh Homelite did make a 85 Hp unit as well,
I have only seen photos of it. They used the same
motor as Merc did on their 95 HP outdrive only
Homelite stood it on end.
Blessings Krissie
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shelf. Water pump impelers are a bit spendy. Tune-up
parts you get at Napa. Carb parts take a but of
looking but they are out there.
There is a man in Calf. that rebuilds them and is
having some of the hard to find stuff made. He baught
up all the stuff from the shop where I worked. The
hard thing to find is props and prop cones. I ended up
making one out of stainless for my last motor.
Yes I do enjoy tormenting the Honda people at the Boat
show when they start blowing and going about 4 cycle
outboards. Oh Homelite did make a 85 Hp unit as well,
I have only seen photos of it. They used the same
motor as Merc did on their 95 HP outdrive only
Homelite stood it on end.
Blessings Krissie
--- Wesley Cox <inspirfe@...> wrote:
> Krissie, how hard is it to find parts for the old____________________________________________________________________________________
> Homelite's?
>
>
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Krissie, how hard is it to find parts for the old Homelite's?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristine Bennett
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Small outboards
I'm a fan of the older OMC over the Merc. the reson is
they use more stainless steel in them over the other.
Now for the newer stuff it's hard to beat the ones out
of Japan. Anymore they are all good units. If I
remember right all the new smaller motors from Merc.
are make in Japan I don't remember what one makes them
but they are a name brand motor.
Also look at whats out there Craigslist is a good
place to find used stuff.
One of the reason I like OMC is with the older motors
the pump vanes would curle in and let the water free
flow through the motor and this would help flush out
any silt in the powerhead. With Merc they still use
the pump all the time and they tend to silt up in
mucky water.
The older OMC have an easy lower unit to rebuild or
reseal, Merc they are a bear most every time to do the
same job. The joke in the shop I worked in for a
number of years was "How do you get a Merc apart? Heat
and beat it!" That was one of the reason we had a
rosebud tourch for getting them apart. This was also
the shop where I learned to love the old Homelite
Bearcats.
I know there are strong feeling on both side of this
and a lot of the time it's the little things that make
a boat motor easy or hard to work on.
I have 2 Homelite Bearcat outboards they are 55 HP and
run like a top. Ones a 1966 and the other is a 1969 if
I remember right. Don't sell the old one short. A lot
of time you can pick them up for next to nothing.
Blessings Krissie
--- Paul Smith <paulnsmith@...> wrote:
> Greetings
> To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and
> some of you other salts out there. I'm in
> the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be
> used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
> also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water.
> Which models and makers seem to be the
> best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
>
__________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm a fan of the older OMC over the Merc. the reson is
they use more stainless steel in them over the other.
Now for the newer stuff it's hard to beat the ones out
of Japan. Anymore they are all good units. If I
remember right all the new smaller motors from Merc.
are make in Japan I don't remember what one makes them
but they are a name brand motor.
Also look at whats out there Craigslist is a good
place to find used stuff.
One of the reason I like OMC is with the older motors
the pump vanes would curle in and let the water free
flow through the motor and this would help flush out
any silt in the powerhead. With Merc they still use
the pump all the time and they tend to silt up in
mucky water.
The older OMC have an easy lower unit to rebuild or
reseal, Merc they are a bear most every time to do the
same job. The joke in the shop I worked in for a
number of years was "How do you get a Merc apart? Heat
and beat it!" That was one of the reason we had a
rosebud tourch for getting them apart. This was also
the shop where I learned to love the old Homelite
Bearcats.
I know there are strong feeling on both side of this
and a lot of the time it's the little things that make
a boat motor easy or hard to work on.
I have 2 Homelite Bearcat outboards they are 55 HP and
run like a top. Ones a 1966 and the other is a 1969 if
I remember right. Don't sell the old one short. A lot
of time you can pick them up for next to nothing.
Blessings Krissie
--- Paul Smith <paulnsmith@...> wrote:
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
they use more stainless steel in them over the other.
Now for the newer stuff it's hard to beat the ones out
of Japan. Anymore they are all good units. If I
remember right all the new smaller motors from Merc.
are make in Japan I don't remember what one makes them
but they are a name brand motor.
Also look at whats out there Craigslist is a good
place to find used stuff.
One of the reason I like OMC is with the older motors
the pump vanes would curle in and let the water free
flow through the motor and this would help flush out
any silt in the powerhead. With Merc they still use
the pump all the time and they tend to silt up in
mucky water.
The older OMC have an easy lower unit to rebuild or
reseal, Merc they are a bear most every time to do the
same job. The joke in the shop I worked in for a
number of years was "How do you get a Merc apart? Heat
and beat it!" That was one of the reason we had a
rosebud tourch for getting them apart. This was also
the shop where I learned to love the old Homelite
Bearcats.
I know there are strong feeling on both side of this
and a lot of the time it's the little things that make
a boat motor easy or hard to work on.
I have 2 Homelite Bearcat outboards they are 55 HP and
run like a top. Ones a 1966 and the other is a 1969 if
I remember right. Don't sell the old one short. A lot
of time you can pick them up for next to nothing.
Blessings Krissie
--- Paul Smith <paulnsmith@...> wrote:
> Greetings____________________________________________________________________________________
> To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and
> some of you other salts out there. I'm in
> the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be
> used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
> also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water.
> Which models and makers seem to be the
> best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
>
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
I bought a 25 hp Merc. long shaft for my diablo from Smalloutboards.com .It started firstpull and runs great. They sale both new and used outboards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Smith
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Small outboards
Greetings
To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and some of you other salts out there. I'm in
the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water. Which models and makers seem to be the
best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
Paul
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've been a Johnson / Evenrude "Lightwin" fan for years ... made from
about 1952 until the early 1970s ... 2 stroke twin cylinders, all metal
and weighing 35 lbs at best ... with (USUALLY) a 'weedless' propeller.
They just don't wear out if taken care of & parts are available
still ... usually sell for about the $200.00 range (on e-Bay) or less
and if what is needed is a pusher for a small rowboat or small
sailboat - there is no finer engine in MHO.
I presently making a 'old man's boat' .... 16 feet on waterline and
four feet in beam with one of my two old 3hp kickers on the back ...
sort of a Chapelle type sharpie & I'll send in a picture if it seems to
be a success, even if it isn't, strictly speaking, a Bolger.
about 1952 until the early 1970s ... 2 stroke twin cylinders, all metal
and weighing 35 lbs at best ... with (USUALLY) a 'weedless' propeller.
They just don't wear out if taken care of & parts are available
still ... usually sell for about the $200.00 range (on e-Bay) or less
and if what is needed is a pusher for a small rowboat or small
sailboat - there is no finer engine in MHO.
I presently making a 'old man's boat' .... 16 feet on waterline and
four feet in beam with one of my two old 3hp kickers on the back ...
sort of a Chapelle type sharpie & I'll send in a picture if it seems to
be a success, even if it isn't, strictly speaking, a Bolger.
>
I recently bought a 3 hp twenty year old two stroke Tanaka (also sold
as 'Sears Gamefisher'), based on the concept that I liked the price
($250), that they are much simpler than modern 4 strokes, and very
light weight, (30 lbs), plus the spare parts are still easily
available. The downside is that it is noisy, smokes like a two
stroke, and has twenty years of age on it. They sell frequently on
EBay, with really nice ones approaching $400. Paul, you don't mention
what boat you want to use, but if it is a displacement hull, that 10
hp was too big.
as 'Sears Gamefisher'), based on the concept that I liked the price
($250), that they are much simpler than modern 4 strokes, and very
light weight, (30 lbs), plus the spare parts are still easily
available. The downside is that it is noisy, smokes like a two
stroke, and has twenty years of age on it. They sell frequently on
EBay, with really nice ones approaching $400. Paul, you don't mention
what boat you want to use, but if it is a displacement hull, that 10
hp was too big.
Honda seems to be the Cadillac, though I've never had one. I like Evinrude/Johnson. Parts are everywhere, they're reliable and easy to work on. I've never owned a Mercury but have had people tell me they're wary of them due to sudden failure of the water impeller. Mercruisuer (spelling?) is made by Yamaha, as is, *I think*, Tohatsu. All are supposed to be good, but parts may be more difficult to find. I'm in a human/electric powered boat phase mixed with wannabe sailor and currently have no combustion motors. The last one I had was a 1973 Johnson 9.5. I torn it down and re-furbished it completely, which is easy. It started first pull every time once I learned the sweet spots with the choke and fuel mix. I did also have to machine the head. It had corrosion pits around the rim of one cylinder, losing compression and power. If I didn't have machine tools, I wouldn't be daunted by the prospect of machining the head. It took 20 min. or less to take it off, was aluminum, and any good machine shop could have taken a few thousandths off of it in a few minutes for little $$. It was a great motor and I wish I had it back, though I do see 4 stroke as my next motor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Smith
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Small outboards
Greetings
To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and some of you other salts out there. I'm in
the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water. Which models and makers seem to be the
best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
Paul
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I bought an 18 hp Nissan(Tohatsu) last year for a fishing boat. It is a
4 cycle, long shaft, electric start with tiller. Pushes a 15 footer
fine and I have never burned over 1-1/2 gallons of gas on an all day
fishing trip. A dealer in Tennessee sells these (at least they did) on
eBay. I think I paid around $2300 delivered. That is the largest they
sell. They are not allowed to sell any of the remote controlled motors
by mail. I purchased the remote conversion kit later, but have yet to
install it.
Tohatsu/Nissan also makes all the Mercury motors up through 9.9, if I
am not mistaken.
I just jumped over and looked. The motor I got is now $2529 delivered.
A 9.9 electric long is $1904. The 15hp is $2284. Manual start is about
$200 cheaper. I believe their website is www.onlineoutboards.com in
Cookesville TN.
4 cycle, long shaft, electric start with tiller. Pushes a 15 footer
fine and I have never burned over 1-1/2 gallons of gas on an all day
fishing trip. A dealer in Tennessee sells these (at least they did) on
eBay. I think I paid around $2300 delivered. That is the largest they
sell. They are not allowed to sell any of the remote controlled motors
by mail. I purchased the remote conversion kit later, but have yet to
install it.
Tohatsu/Nissan also makes all the Mercury motors up through 9.9, if I
am not mistaken.
I just jumped over and looked. The motor I got is now $2529 delivered.
A 9.9 electric long is $1904. The 15hp is $2284. Manual start is about
$200 cheaper. I believe their website is www.onlineoutboards.com in
Cookesville TN.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Smith" <paulnsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
> To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and some of you other
salts out there. I'm in
> the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be used mostly on a
lake in Texas but I plan to
> also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water. Which models and
makers seem to be the
> best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
>
> Paul
>
Greetings
To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and some of you other salts out there. I'm in
the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water. Which models and makers seem to be the
best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
Paul
To anyone with an opinion, especially Kristine and some of you other salts out there. I'm in
the market for a 10 or 15 hp outboard. It's to be used mostly on a lake in Texas but I plan to
also travel with it and occasionally hit salt water. Which models and makers seem to be the
best and your reasons for thinking so? Thanks.
Paul