Re: [bolger] Pacific Power Dory
Bartenders were V-bottom from their inception. George Calkins did design
some wide-stern double-ended (not canoe stern) dories for fishing off the
beach at Pacific City though, and they show how his mind was working back
then. Roughly, what Calkins did to come up with the Bartender was stick
something like his beach dory's topsides on top of a V-bottom motorboat's
bottom. The result was a wonderful boat for it's purpose, running the
notorious bars of the Oregon coast and fishing in the open (and misnamed
<g>) North Pacific. BTW, most of the old Pacific City dories I've seen
were double-ended, unlike the one Harry Sucher published the drawing of...
some wide-stern double-ended (not canoe stern) dories for fishing off the
beach at Pacific City though, and they show how his mind was working back
then. Roughly, what Calkins did to come up with the Bartender was stick
something like his beach dory's topsides on top of a V-bottom motorboat's
bottom. The result was a wonderful boat for it's purpose, running the
notorious bars of the Oregon coast and fishing in the open (and misnamed
<g>) North Pacific. BTW, most of the old Pacific City dories I've seen
were double-ended, unlike the one Harry Sucher published the drawing of...
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:22:05 -0700, Clyde wrote:
> I guess I was thinking of the original Bartenders, flat bottom, canoe
> stern, small motor in well, as opposed to the more fancy versions which
> came later . Clyde
--
John <jkohnen@...>
No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get
himself into jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail, with
the chance of being drowned... A man in jail has more room,
better food, and commonly better company. <Samuel Johnson>
The Hamptons are on Long Island -- in the Atlantic. <g> That's an
interesting film. Thanks for the link. Aside from their other troubles the
"East End" Long Island fishermen are in trouble because the property
values are so high around the Hamptons these days -- that's where the rich
folks like to vacation -- that they can't afford to live near the sea. :o(
The dory the baymen used for their rescue work is something like the
dories used at Pacific City before planing skiffs replaced them (though
still called "dories"). Harry Sucher published a drawing of a dory
measured at Depoe bay in 1958 in Simplified Boatbuilding:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/OregonDory.gif
interesting film. Thanks for the link. Aside from their other troubles the
"East End" Long Island fishermen are in trouble because the property
values are so high around the Hamptons these days -- that's where the rich
folks like to vacation -- that they can't afford to live near the sea. :o(
The dory the baymen used for their rescue work is something like the
dories used at Pacific City before planing skiffs replaced them (though
still called "dories"). Harry Sucher published a drawing of a dory
measured at Depoe bay in 1958 in Simplified Boatbuilding:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/OregonDory.gif
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:17:36 -0700, graeme wrote:
> Launched Flying Pacific Rescue Dory:
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7382314075608805981&q=dory&hl=en
--
John <jkohnen@...>
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the
truth. <Alfred North Whitehead>
Bill Childs bgought the rights to sell Bartenders and their plans. He's
done a great job bringing the boats into the 21st century. He even sells
frame kits for the smaller models:
http://www.bartenderboats.com/
Although Bartenders evolved from beach-launched double-ended dories
there's precious little dory left in them, though some of the
Bartenderistas would disagree with me. <g> But then there's precious
little dory in modern Pacific City "dories" either, they're just big, wide
skiffs...
done a great job bringing the boats into the 21st century. He even sells
frame kits for the smaller models:
http://www.bartenderboats.com/
Although Bartenders evolved from beach-launched double-ended dories
there's precious little dory left in them, though some of the
Bartenderistas would disagree with me. <g> But then there's precious
little dory in modern Pacific City "dories" either, they're just big, wide
skiffs...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:23:47 -0700, Clyde wrote:
> How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know the folks who have
> the plans.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a
great deal. If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and
use oar or paddle... they would get infinitely more benefit than
by having their work done for them by gasoline. <Theodore
Roosevelt>
> Clyde, a T-25 would be plenty for semi-displacementI am pretty sure the plans (or the writeup) say that the Topaz
> speed. The 50 was more than I really ever used, after
> time trials.
'minimum motor' is 9.9hp. With that long narrow shallow draft hull, I
would bet that it would not accelerate quickly, but it would
eventually build up a nice speed with such a small motor.
Some will, some won't
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Subject: [bolger] USB Camera
I just had an idea get a powered USB hub and then
extend from that. But that is funny my camera will
work with a 50 foot cord it's how I keep an eye on the
dogs at times.
Blessings Krissie
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I just had an idea get a powered USB hub and then
extend from that. But that is funny my camera will
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extend from that. But that is funny my camera will
work with a 50 foot cord it's how I keep an eye on the
dogs at times.
Blessings Krissie
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Pacific Power Dory
Ah Bruce they do make patch cords for USB I've seen 25
feet. Comp USA has them.
Just be glad they don't put Nader cords on them like
the did power tools in the late 70s and 80s... That
was a really dumb idea.....Oh wait it was a Nader
idea!!! Tells you a lot about Nader... namely he has
never worked with his hands most likely.
Krissie
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> > HJ
>
> Sorry if that page is out of date. Webcam problems.
> (USB cabled
> webcams are limited to 6 feet, hard to configure to
> see a 31 foot
> boat.)
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Ah Bruce they do make patch cords for USB I've seen 25
feet. Comp USA has them.
Just be glad they don't put Nader cords on them like
the did power tools in the late 70s and 80s... That
was a really dumb idea.....Oh wait it was a Nader
idea!!! Tells you a lot about Nader... namely he has
never worked with his hands most likely.
Krissie
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feet. Comp USA has them.
Just be glad they don't put Nader cords on them like
the did power tools in the late 70s and 80s... That
was a really dumb idea.....Oh wait it was a Nader
idea!!! Tells you a lot about Nader... namely he has
never worked with his hands most likely.
Krissie
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> >
> > HJ
>
> Sorry if that page is out of date. Webcam problems.
> (USB cabled
> webcams are limited to 6 feet, hard to configure to
> see a 31 foot
> boat.)
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Thank you Howard and it is a good looking boat. And
seeing it hooked up to a Geo Tracker was a bit of a
suprise seeing how they only have a 1.8 L four in the
Tracker. So that tells me she tows well.
Blessings Krissie
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seeing it hooked up to a Geo Tracker was a bit of a
suprise seeing how they only have a 1.8 L four in the
Tracker. So that tells me she tows well.
Blessings Krissie
--- Howard Stephenson <howardstephenson@...>
wrote:
> Google Images found me three pages of pictures andhttp://duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
> text starting
> here:
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
> As I recall there's a runabout version, which is the
> one Bruce H. is
> building.
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Clyde, a T-25 would be plenty for semi-displacement
speed. The 50 was more than I really ever used, after
time trials.
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speed. The 50 was more than I really ever used, after
time trials.
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> Thanks Sam. I've wanted to build a Topaz hull and__________________________________________________________
> make a work boat or an
> open potomac dory like boat, and I was planning to
> try a T25, and of
> course saving it for a Delaware type trawler
> perhaps. I've been building
> a 32' shed to maybe fit a Topaz hull in it. Clyde
>
> Sam Glasscock wrote:
>
> > I built it and used the T-50. It is a great motor
> for
> > the boat. With the cavatation plate right at the
> > bottom of the hull, it would plane cleanly and run
> > near 20 statute mph wide open. Trouble was, in the
> > steep chop I often ran her in, I would get the
> prop
> > out of the water sometimes with the motor that
> high.
> > Lower it a couple of inches, and that problem
> would go
> > away, but then she would tend to squat a little.
> Was
> > never a problem for me, anyway, because I was
> using
> > the boat as a cruiser and ran mostly 10-12 kts.
> But
> > for higher-speed planing use in areas where the
> water
> > can get rough, the squat rails might come in
> handy.
> > --- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...
> <mailto:clydewis%40carr.org>> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anybody built a Topaz with recommended T50
> horse
> > > motor?
> > >
> >
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Thanks Sam. I've wanted to build a Topaz hull and make a work boat or an
open potomac dory like boat, and I was planning to try a T25, and of
course saving it for a Delaware type trawler perhaps. I've been building
a 32' shed to maybe fit a Topaz hull in it. Clyde
Sam Glasscock wrote:
open potomac dory like boat, and I was planning to try a T25, and of
course saving it for a Delaware type trawler perhaps. I've been building
a 32' shed to maybe fit a Topaz hull in it. Clyde
Sam Glasscock wrote:
> I built it and used the T-50. It is a great motor for[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> the boat. With the cavatation plate right at the
> bottom of the hull, it would plane cleanly and run
> near 20 statute mph wide open. Trouble was, in the
> steep chop I often ran her in, I would get the prop
> out of the water sometimes with the motor that high.
> Lower it a couple of inches, and that problem would go
> away, but then she would tend to squat a little. Was
> never a problem for me, anyway, because I was using
> the boat as a cruiser and ran mostly 10-12 kts. But
> for higher-speed planing use in areas where the water
> can get rough, the squat rails might come in handy.
> --- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...<mailto:clydewis%40carr.org>> wrote:
>
> > Has anybody built a Topaz with recommended T50 horse
> > motor?
> >
>
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Thanks Dave, I doubt I'll ever get around to it but I love them. I
have what's called a Bushwacht Boat replica which is like a Chapell
Missippi Yawl Boat, and I've been thinking about a motor well
arrangement like the plywood style Bartender, and of course, I have a 75
ft Melonseed sail. It's all sitting under a canopy while I finish my
boat shed, and I may have to finish the house from hell in the mean
time. Clyde, on eastern shores of the Chesapeake Bay
David wrote:
have what's called a Bushwacht Boat replica which is like a Chapell
Missippi Yawl Boat, and I've been thinking about a motor well
arrangement like the plywood style Bartender, and of course, I have a 75
ft Melonseed sail. It's all sitting under a canopy while I finish my
boat shed, and I may have to finish the house from hell in the mean
time. Clyde, on eastern shores of the Chesapeake Bay
David wrote:
> Clyde,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> There's also a Yahoo group dedicated to the George Calkins designed
> Bartender boats. Bill Childs, who owns the firm now, contributes to
> the discussion frequently.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bartenderboat/
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bartenderboat/>
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
>
> "Life is like an onion. You peel it one layer at a time, and
> sometimes you cry" -- anon.
>
> ***********
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Clyde
> Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe that's where I got the PDF that showed the original plywood
> flat
> > bottom version. Clyde
> >
> > Kristine Bennett wrote:
> >
> > > Hey the Bartender plans and kits are still being made
> > > and sold. In fact not far from me in Bellingham
> > > Washington and I think the website is
> > > wwww.bartenderboats.com but just a web search for it
> > > will bring it up.
> > >
> > > Blessings Krissie
> > >
> > > --- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@... <mailto:clydewis%40carr.org>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know
> > > > the folks who have
> > > > the plans. Clyde
> > > >
> > >
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Clyde,
There's also a Yahoo group dedicated to the George Calkins designed
Bartender boats. Bill Childs, who owns the firm now, contributes to
the discussion frequently.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bartenderboat/
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Life is like an onion. You peel it one layer at a time, and
sometimes you cry" -- anon.
***********
There's also a Yahoo group dedicated to the George Calkins designed
Bartender boats. Bill Childs, who owns the firm now, contributes to
the discussion frequently.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bartenderboat/
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Life is like an onion. You peel it one layer at a time, and
sometimes you cry" -- anon.
***********
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe that's where I got the PDF that showed the original plywood
flat
> bottom version. Clyde
>
> Kristine Bennett wrote:
>
> > Hey the Bartender plans and kits are still being made
> > and sold. In fact not far from me in Bellingham
> > Washington and I think the website is
> > wwww.bartenderboats.com but just a web search for it
> > will bring it up.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> >
> > --- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@... <mailto:clydewis%40carr.org>>
wrote:
> >
> > > How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know
> > > the folks who have
> > > the plans. Clyde
> > >
> >
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No, I don't think the cavitation plate did "squat".
(I made that up myself). My guess is that that long,
narrow hull is quite susceptible to small changes in
thrust vectors. If you have ever tried to run a
planing skiff built for a short-shaft motor with a
long-shaft engine, you know what I mean. The boat
will squat more and have a harder time climbing out of
the hole with the long shaft, because thrust against
that shaft down five more inches works to lever the
bow up. Of course, there is more drag, too. The
rails won't help the drag, but by adding planing
surface way back where it counts most, they ought to
solve any tendency to squat, and I would think even
small rails all the way back would have a big effect.
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(I made that up myself). My guess is that that long,
narrow hull is quite susceptible to small changes in
thrust vectors. If you have ever tried to run a
planing skiff built for a short-shaft motor with a
long-shaft engine, you know what I mean. The boat
will squat more and have a harder time climbing out of
the hole with the long shaft, because thrust against
that shaft down five more inches works to lever the
bow up. Of course, there is more drag, too. The
rails won't help the drag, but by adding planing
surface way back where it counts most, they ought to
solve any tendency to squat, and I would think even
small rails all the way back would have a big effect.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> I take it you suspect that the cavitation plate was____________________________________________________________________________________
> serving as a
> 'squat plate' when up high, but not down low? I am
> guessing the
> cavitation plate was about one square foot, or less.
> Does that imply
> that such a small 'squat rail' plate would have the
> anti squat effect?
>
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> Bruce's building site if you don't have the linkSorry if that page is out of date. Webcam problems. (USB cabled
>
>http://hallman.org/webcam/
>
> HJ
webcams are limited to 6 feet, hard to configure to see a 31 foot
boat.)
Rest assured, I am making slow and steady progress on the project.
Most lately, I have got the swing down louvered motor shroud/boarding
steps a swinging, and it looks cool.
Bruce's building site if you don't have the link
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HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
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HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> OK ok Now I need to find photos/ drawings of the
> Topaz....Is it in BWAOM?
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>
>
On 3/16/07, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
'squat plate' when up high, but not down low? I am guessing the
cavitation plate was about one square foot, or less. Does that imply
that such a small 'squat rail' plate would have the anti squat effect?
>I take it you suspect that the cavitation plate was serving as a
> I built it and used the T-50. It is a great motor for
> the boat. With the cavatation plate right at the
> bottom of the hull, it would plane cleanly and run
> near 20 statute mph wide open. Trouble was, in the
> steep chop I often ran her in, I would get the prop
> out of the water sometimes with the motor that high.
> Lower it a couple of inches, and that problem would go
> away, but then she would tend to squat a little. Was
> never a problem for me, anyway, because I was using
> the boat as a cruiser and ran mostly 10-12 kts. But
> for higher-speed planing use in areas where the water
> can get rough, the squat rails might come in handy.
'squat plate' when up high, but not down low? I am guessing the
cavitation plate was about one square foot, or less. Does that imply
that such a small 'squat rail' plate would have the anti squat effect?
I built it and used the T-50. It is a great motor for
the boat. With the cavatation plate right at the
bottom of the hull, it would plane cleanly and run
near 20 statute mph wide open. Trouble was, in the
steep chop I often ran her in, I would get the prop
out of the water sometimes with the motor that high.
Lower it a couple of inches, and that problem would go
away, but then she would tend to squat a little. Was
never a problem for me, anyway, because I was using
the boat as a cruiser and ran mostly 10-12 kts. But
for higher-speed planing use in areas where the water
can get rough, the squat rails might come in handy.
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the boat. With the cavatation plate right at the
bottom of the hull, it would plane cleanly and run
near 20 statute mph wide open. Trouble was, in the
steep chop I often ran her in, I would get the prop
out of the water sometimes with the motor that high.
Lower it a couple of inches, and that problem would go
away, but then she would tend to squat a little. Was
never a problem for me, anyway, because I was using
the boat as a cruiser and ran mostly 10-12 kts. But
for higher-speed planing use in areas where the water
can get rough, the squat rails might come in handy.
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> Has anybody built a Topaz with recommended T50 horse____________________________________________________________________________________
> motor?
>
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> Has anybody built a Topaz with recommended T50 horse motor?Phil Bolger recommended the use of a 90 hp motor for me, because I
hope to do some water skiing. FWIW, I have needed to slightly modify
the fin motor shroud 'from plans' to fit the larger power unit.
Maybe that's where I got the PDF that showed the original plywood flat
bottom version. Clyde
Kristine Bennett wrote:
bottom version. Clyde
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> Hey the Bartender plans and kits are still being made[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> and sold. In fact not far from me in Bellingham
> Washington and I think the website is
> wwww.bartenderboats.com but just a web search for it
> will bring it up.
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...<mailto:clydewis%40carr.org>> wrote:
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> > How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know
> > the folks who have
> > the plans. Clyde
> >
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Has anybody built a Topaz with recommended T50 horse motor?
Bruce Hallman wrote:
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > strenghth as well. I have often wondered if the Topaz[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > wouldn't have benefited from squat rails under high
> > power, like the B'tender
>
> Adding (and removing) squat rails to a Topaz hull would be very
> simple, conducive to an experiment.
>
>
I guess I was thinking of the original Bartenders, flat bottom, canoe
stern, small motor in well, as opposed to the more fancy versions which
came later . Clyde
Harry James wrote:
stern, small motor in well, as opposed to the more fancy versions which
came later . Clyde
Harry James wrote:
> The Bartender is a whole order of complexity increase. I can build a[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Hunky Dory hull in a couple of weeks, finish it out in another month and
> a half. I would expect to take 9 months to a year on a Bartender. Not
> that it wouldn't be worth it, nice seaworthy inboards.
>
> HJ
>
> Clyde Wisner wrote:
> > How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know the folks who have
> > the plans. Clyde
> >
> > adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
> >> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
> >> would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
> >> Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
> >> would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Jon Kolb
> >> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> >>
> >>
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Launched Flying Pacific Rescue Dory:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7382314075608805981&q=dory&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7382314075608805981&q=dory&hl=en
Google Images found me three pages of pictures and text starting
here:
http://duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
As I recall there's a runabout version, which is the one Bruce H. is
building.
Howard
here:
http://duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
As I recall there's a runabout version, which is the one Bruce H. is
building.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> OK ok Now I need to find photos/ drawings of the
> Topaz....Is it in BWAOM?
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
OK ok Now I need to find photos/ drawings of the
Topaz....Is it in BWAOM?
Blessings Krissie
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> On 3/15/07, Sam Glasscock wrote:____________________________________________________________________________________
> > Yup. All you need is a Topaz hull.
>
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Hey the Bartender plans and kits are still being made
and sold. In fact not far from me in Bellingham
Washington and I think the website is
wwww.bartenderboats.com but just a web search for it
will bring it up.
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and sold. In fact not far from me in Bellingham
Washington and I think the website is
wwww.bartenderboats.com but just a web search for it
will bring it up.
Blessings Krissie
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know____________________________________________________________________________________
> the folks who have
> the plans. Clyde
>
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> Yup. All you need is a Topaz hull.<grin>
Yup. All you need is a Topaz hull.
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> strenghth as well. I have often wondered if the TopazAdding (and removing) squat rails to a Topaz hull would be very
> wouldn't have benefited from squat rails under high
> power, like the B'tender
simple, conducive to an experiment.
Having run a Topaz through a lot of rough water, I
will say she never showed a tendancy to root or
broach, which is supposed to be a Bartender's
strenghth as well. I have often wondered if the Topaz
wouldn't have benefited from squat rails under high
power, like the B'tender has, although I don't know
enough about the latter to say just how they work. I
do know that there is no more loyal group of
boatowners than B'tender owners--almost built one
myself. A bass-boat style superstructure on a Topaz
hull would look mighty good, come to think of it. A
modified Topaz Spyder. Sam
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will say she never showed a tendancy to root or
broach, which is supposed to be a Bartender's
strenghth as well. I have often wondered if the Topaz
wouldn't have benefited from squat rails under high
power, like the B'tender has, although I don't know
enough about the latter to say just how they work. I
do know that there is no more loyal group of
boatowners than B'tender owners--almost built one
myself. A bass-boat style superstructure on a Topaz
hull would look mighty good, come to think of it. A
modified Topaz Spyder. Sam
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> > The Bartender is a whole order of complexity____________________________________________________________________________________
> increase. I can build a
> > Hunky Dory
>
> I see a big difference between these two boats,
> specifically, the
> Bartender is essentially double ended, and the Hunky
> Dory is not.
>
> I also see the Bolger Topaz as functionally similar
> to a Bartender.
>
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The Bartender is a whole order of complexity increase. I can build a
Hunky Dory hull in a couple of weeks, finish it out in another month and
a half. I would expect to take 9 months to a year on a Bartender. Not
that it wouldn't be worth it, nice seaworthy inboards.
HJ
Clyde Wisner wrote:
Hunky Dory hull in a couple of weeks, finish it out in another month and
a half. I would expect to take 9 months to a year on a Bartender. Not
that it wouldn't be worth it, nice seaworthy inboards.
HJ
Clyde Wisner wrote:
> How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know the folks who have
> the plans. Clyde
>
> adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
>> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
>> would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
>> Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>>
>>
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> The Bartender is a whole order of complexity increase. I can build aI see a big difference between these two boats, specifically, the
> Hunky Dory
Bartender is essentially double ended, and the Hunky Dory is not.
I also see the Bolger Topaz as functionally similar to a Bartender.
How about a Bartender? I think John Kohnen may know the folks who have
the plans. Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
the plans. Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
> would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
> Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
> would be appreciated.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
I built the Glen L Hunky Dory , added two frames and stretched the
spacing to 19" for approximately a 26' boat. Loved it, fished set net
in Norton Sound with it. I had a cabin on the front for the first year
or two but it didn't set well on the net. I whacked the bow cabin off
and made an aft cabin bow picker out of it and it really set on the net
well that way. I was regularly in 5' plus seas, used it as a ice breaker
by riding up on pan ice to break through. The current owner has had it
airborne getting it out of the Nome harbor in breaking seas. Broke some
frames. Its still around after building it some 24-5 years ago. My wife
really liked it, felt very safe in it except for the time we were
picking net in over 6' seas backing down right in to the surf breaking
on the cliff. Ran well with a 70 hp mariner and then really well with
the 120 Mercruiser outdrive.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
spacing to 19" for approximately a 26' boat. Loved it, fished set net
in Norton Sound with it. I had a cabin on the front for the first year
or two but it didn't set well on the net. I whacked the bow cabin off
and made an aft cabin bow picker out of it and it really set on the net
well that way. I was regularly in 5' plus seas, used it as a ice breaker
by riding up on pan ice to break through. The current owner has had it
airborne getting it out of the Nome harbor in breaking seas. Broke some
frames. Its still around after building it some 24-5 years ago. My wife
really liked it, felt very safe in it except for the time we were
picking net in over 6' seas backing down right in to the surf breaking
on the cliff. Ran well with a 70 hp mariner and then really well with
the 120 Mercruiser outdrive.
HJ
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
> would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
> Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
> would be appreciated.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
>Looking at Glen-L's Hunky Dory I am reminded of the shape of Diablo Grande.
> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
> Pacific power dories?
Fast Motor Sailer #601 has roughly this same hull shape too and is
more the same size.
In his chapter on Sharpshooter in "30-Odd Boats", Bolger says he's
lost count of the "square-tail dories" he's designed. This particular
one is 23' x 5'7" and did 25 mph with a 25 hp outboard on the transom.
It can be built instant-boat style from the plans in the book.
John Gardner's Dory Book has plans for a 16' and a 20' semi-dory,
meant to plane with an outboard motor in a well. These are
not "instant boats" but can be built from plywood over a few simple
frames.
Howard
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<jon@...> wrote:
lost count of the "square-tail dories" he's designed. This particular
one is 23' x 5'7" and did 25 mph with a 25 hp outboard on the transom.
It can be built instant-boat style from the plans in the book.
John Gardner's Dory Book has plans for a 16' and a 20' semi-dory,
meant to plane with an outboard motor in a well. These are
not "instant boats" but can be built from plywood over a few simple
frames.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>but
> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira,
> would like to look at others if possible.
Texas Dory used to sell plans for a John Gardner designed "Oregon Dory"
Square stern, motor well, beam 7'9, length 22'8" expandable to 26'8".
I understand that H.H.Payson sells the old Texas Dory plans, so he may
have them.
Mike Bevington
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
Square stern, motor well, beam 7'9, length 22'8" expandable to 26'8".
I understand that H.H.Payson sells the old Texas Dory plans, so he may
have them.
Mike Bevington
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
> Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
> would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
> Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
> would be appreciated.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
Does anyone know of a source, Bolger or otherwise, for plans for
Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
would be appreciated.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Pacific power dories? I see some available from Glen-L and Spira, but
would like to look at others if possible. If anyone has built the
Glen-L or Spira models, your comments on how well these boats work
would be appreciated.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm