Re: I need ideas!
Here ya go Kristine.... www.fgci.com
Nice folks to deal with. As for strength. I hear its all about the
same. I do not speak from experience, as this is the first time I
have used epoxy. I found out about this product from a good friend
and boat builder who uses it exclusively. Pay attention to
temperature, as always.
Regards,
Dennis
(currently building an "Old Shoe" in Bellingham, WA)
Nice folks to deal with. As for strength. I hear its all about the
same. I do not speak from experience, as this is the first time I
have used epoxy. I found out about this product from a good friend
and boat builder who uses it exclusively. Pay attention to
temperature, as always.
Regards,
Dennis
(currently building an "Old Shoe" in Bellingham, WA)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis would you happen to have the website for FCI?
>
> I like the idea of 1:1 mixes seeing how they are easer
> to get right.
>
> Some years back I worked with a guy that was blowing
> and going about how the 5:1 epoxys were stronger then
> the 2:1 and the 2:1 were stronger then the 1:1s. Well
> I talked with a guy I knew that knew epoxy better then
> anyone. He worked for System Three at the time and was
> in the R&D side of things. What he told me was they
> were ALL about the same and he liked using the 1:1s.
> Seeing how it's much easer to get the mix right. Also
> what/how do you define strong?
>
> He also got into a lot of tec stuff and it came down
> to one thing, Find a epoxy you like and that fits your
> needs and stick with it. That does sound like a good
> idea to me what do you all think?
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> > --
> > I use epoxy from FCI in florida. Good prices, good
> > product.
> > 1:1 mix... easy.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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I bought epoxy last year and they are still selling it but the price
went up $20.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Epoxy-Resin-Adhesive-Glue-
Boatbuilding_W0QQitemZ330100073652QQcategoryZ11810QQcmdZViewItem
and this one is on ebay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Epoxy-Resin-Boat-Building-LOW-VISCOSITY-MARINE-
GRADE_W0QQitemZ270098539116QQcategoryZ26197QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
went up $20.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Epoxy-Resin-Adhesive-Glue-
Boatbuilding_W0QQitemZ330100073652QQcategoryZ11810QQcmdZViewItem
and this one is on ebay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Epoxy-Resin-Boat-Building-LOW-VISCOSITY-MARINE-
GRADE_W0QQitemZ270098539116QQcategoryZ26197QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
> cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
> rplease upload some sailing shots,I have yet to make the arrangements to get someone to take the
pictures. It is hard to take a picture of oneself!
> Last question, do you know how many MN there are in existence?Three, that I know of. Mine plus; Don Baldwinson's Oink, in Australia
I think? And Jason Stancil's somewhere, the Gulf coast?
Again Bruce, very beautiful boat. Not to pester you (hint, hint) but
I'm sure we would all love to see it sailing. If you can/have the
right equipment, please upload some sailing shots, or upload
something to utube live if possible!
I lived in SanFan many many years ago (during the 60s and early
70's). My father was a doctor at memorial, we lived 5 blocks from
the water and just south of the old amusement park. I remember them
blowing up whales that got stranded on the shore and spending an
unhealthy amount of time in the funhouse (when it existed). I have
very fond memories of the Bay Area.
I would like to hear your observations on sailing the SF bay. It
seems like it would be a challenging area to pilot anything, but I
don't know.
Last question, do you know how many MN there are in existence?
Have a great day!
Chris Curtis
I'm sure we would all love to see it sailing. If you can/have the
right equipment, please upload some sailing shots, or upload
something to utube live if possible!
I lived in SanFan many many years ago (during the 60s and early
70's). My father was a doctor at memorial, we lived 5 blocks from
the water and just south of the old amusement park. I remember them
blowing up whales that got stranded on the shore and spending an
unhealthy amount of time in the funhouse (when it existed). I have
very fond memories of the Bay Area.
I would like to hear your observations on sailing the SF bay. It
seems like it would be a challenging area to pilot anything, but I
don't know.
Last question, do you know how many MN there are in existence?
Have a great day!
Chris Curtis
On Mar 19, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > built. Have you sailed her yet? Can you update the group on the
> > rig and the MN performance under sail?
>
> Yes, I have sailed it as recently as a few days ago. It sails great,
> just as advertised.
>
> On the up side, I appreciate the security of the sail handling being
> all done from inside warmth of a lush and upholstered spacious bright
> cabin. The typical winds in San Francisco are cold for my blood.
>
> Down side, there are quite a few lines to handle, and this can be a
> little confusing sometimes, and I expect that with practice this will
> get easier. I have only had it in my marina berth for a month and a
> half, and am still doing some initial tweaking to get things right. I
> have still to cut the 'custom taper' of each of the battons to achieve
> an airfoil bend. (Though she does make way to windward good enough as
> is.) I have mail ordered for some more dacron double braided line to
> redo my topping lifts, which need a second part to more easily hoist
> the weight bare handed.
>
>
Dennis would you happen to have the website for FCI?
I like the idea of 1:1 mixes seeing how they are easer
to get right.
Some years back I worked with a guy that was blowing
and going about how the 5:1 epoxys were stronger then
the 2:1 and the 2:1 were stronger then the 1:1s. Well
I talked with a guy I knew that knew epoxy better then
anyone. He worked for System Three at the time and was
in the R&D side of things. What he told me was they
were ALL about the same and he liked using the 1:1s.
Seeing how it's much easer to get the mix right. Also
what/how do you define strong?
He also got into a lot of tec stuff and it came down
to one thing, Find a epoxy you like and that fits your
needs and stick with it. That does sound like a good
idea to me what do you all think?
Blessings Krissie
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I like the idea of 1:1 mixes seeing how they are easer
to get right.
Some years back I worked with a guy that was blowing
and going about how the 5:1 epoxys were stronger then
the 2:1 and the 2:1 were stronger then the 1:1s. Well
I talked with a guy I knew that knew epoxy better then
anyone. He worked for System Three at the time and was
in the R&D side of things. What he told me was they
were ALL about the same and he liked using the 1:1s.
Seeing how it's much easer to get the mix right. Also
what/how do you define strong?
He also got into a lot of tec stuff and it came down
to one thing, Find a epoxy you like and that fits your
needs and stick with it. That does sound like a good
idea to me what do you all think?
Blessings Krissie
> --____________________________________________________________________________________
> I use epoxy from FCI in florida. Good prices, good
> product.
> 1:1 mix... easy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
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I use epoxy from FCI in florida. Good prices, good product.
1:1 mix... easy.
Regards,
Dennis
- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I use epoxy from FCI in florida. Good prices, good product.
1:1 mix... easy.
Regards,
Dennis
- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>prefer 1:1.)
> > Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
>
> There are probably several sellers, but I am currently using a 10
> gallon kit of 1:1 epoxy from this guy
>
>http://stores.ebay.com/Polymer-Products-The-Epoxy-Experts
>
> And, and very happy, with the price, ease of use and quality.
>
> (I had too many mixing errors using 2:1 epoxy, and now vastly
>
> I set up the two 5 gallon pails, side by side, with home made PVC
> piston pumps that dispense directly into plastic cups on a crude
> balance beam setting atop the pails.
>
> Also, I find that I can get a 'just fine' small batch 1:1 ratio by
> 'eyeballing it'.
>
> built. Have you sailed her yet? Can you update the group on theYes, I have sailed it as recently as a few days ago. It sails great,
> rig and the MN performance under sail?
just as advertised.
On the up side, I appreciate the security of the sail handling being
all done from inside warmth of a lush and upholstered spacious bright
cabin. The typical winds in San Francisco are cold for my blood.
Down side, there are quite a few lines to handle, and this can be a
little confusing sometimes, and I expect that with practice this will
get easier. I have only had it in my marina berth for a month and a
half, and am still doing some initial tweaking to get things right. I
have still to cut the 'custom taper' of each of the battons to achieve
an airfoil bend. (Though she does make way to windward good enough as
is.) I have mail ordered for some more dacron double braided line to
redo my topping lifts, which need a second part to more easily hoist
the weight bare handed.
I have also used epoxy from the very same vendor, and have been
pleased with the price, product, and support when I called to ask
some questions!
Chris Curtis
On a side note. Hey Bruce, I think I'm looking at pictures of your
micro navigator. Great pictures. I have always wanted to see a MN
built. Have you sailed her yet? Can you update the group on the
rig and the MN performance under sail?
Chris Curtis
pleased with the price, product, and support when I called to ask
some questions!
Chris Curtis
On a side note. Hey Bruce, I think I'm looking at pictures of your
micro navigator. Great pictures. I have always wanted to see a MN
built. Have you sailed her yet? Can you update the group on the
rig and the MN performance under sail?
Chris Curtis
On Mar 19, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
>
> There are probably several sellers, but I am currently using a 10
> gallon kit of 1:1 epoxy from this guy
>
>http://stores.ebay.com/Polymer-Products-The-Epoxy-Experts
>
> And, and very happy, with the price, ease of use and quality.
>
> (I had too many mixing errors using 2:1 epoxy, and now vastly
> prefer 1:1.)
>
> I set up the two 5 gallon pails, side by side, with home made PVC
> piston pumps that dispense directly into plastic cups on a crude
> balance beam setting atop the pails.
>
> Also, I find that I can get a 'just fine' small batch 1:1 ratio by
> 'eyeballing it'.
>
>
Aeromarineproducts is the seller I have been buying from. He sells
nonblushing epoxy that works really well and the prices aren't too bad.
He currently has 1.5 gallons for $68.00. I bought his 6 gallon kit a
while back but be advised that the pump he sends with that kit won't
reach the bottom of the 5 gallon pail the resin is in. The hardner is
in 1 gallon containers and the pumps work fine with them. Its a 2:1
mix ratio.
Paul H.
nonblushing epoxy that works really well and the prices aren't too bad.
He currently has 1.5 gallons for $68.00. I bought his 6 gallon kit a
while back but be advised that the pump he sends with that kit won't
reach the bottom of the 5 gallon pail the resin is in. The hardner is
in 1 gallon containers and the pumps work fine with them. Its a 2:1
mix ratio.
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
> cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
> Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallonThere are probably several sellers, but I am currently using a 10
gallon kit of 1:1 epoxy from this guy
http://stores.ebay.com/Polymer-Products-The-Epoxy-Experts
And, and very happy, with the price, ease of use and quality.
(I had too many mixing errors using 2:1 epoxy, and now vastly prefer 1:1.)
I set up the two 5 gallon pails, side by side, with home made PVC
piston pumps that dispense directly into plastic cups on a crude
balance beam setting atop the pails.
Also, I find that I can get a 'just fine' small batch 1:1 ratio by
'eyeballing it'.
Hi
Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
cheers
Andy Airey
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Who is the guy on ebay selling epoxy by the gallon
cheers
Andy Airey
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
the passport office is generally pretty good about getting that right
even if your BC has it wrong, although you might need to include a
copy of the court order for your name change with your application.
However, the passport offices on both sides of the 49th parallel are
running very far behind their usual schedules now due to the rather
enormous volume of applications due to the recent (silly) new
regulations from the US. In Canada, the current wait is nine weeks.
I guess the boating season doesn't really shut down for the season out
there the way it does here, but folks around here who want passports
by the start of the season really should apply now to avoid
disappointment....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>If the rest of your documentation has the right name and sex on it,
> Hmm to get my birth certificate I have to go to Alaska
> and do all the paperwork and OOPS it will have the
> wrong name on it. And sex too for that matter. I think
> getting a a Passport would be less hassle.
the passport office is generally pretty good about getting that right
even if your BC has it wrong, although you might need to include a
copy of the court order for your name change with your application.
However, the passport offices on both sides of the 49th parallel are
running very far behind their usual schedules now due to the rather
enormous volume of applications due to the recent (silly) new
regulations from the US. In Canada, the current wait is nine weeks.
I guess the boating season doesn't really shut down for the season out
there the way it does here, but folks around here who want passports
by the start of the season really should apply now to avoid
disappointment....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Hmm to get my birth certificate I have to go to Alaska
and do all the paperwork and OOPS it will have the
wrong name on it. And sex too for that matter. I think
getting a a Passport would be less hassle.
So what took you to the big city of Bellingham?
Blessings Kristine
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and do all the paperwork and OOPS it will have the
wrong name on it. And sex too for that matter. I think
getting a a Passport would be less hassle.
So what took you to the big city of Bellingham?
Blessings Kristine
--- Jamie Orr <jas_orr@...> wrote:
> Hi Krissie,http://www.members.shaw.ca/jamie.orr/Montague/crossing_the_border.htm
>
> If you fly, you need a passport, but if you take a
> ferry or drive,
> (or travel by pleasure boat) then the "must have a
> passport" date is
> January 2008. I travelled to Bellingham yesterday,
> using an expired
> passport. Alternatively they accept a birth
> certificate and picture
> ID (e.g. driver's license). (This assumes you are
> US born,
> otherwise you will need more paper.)
>
> I've posted some information on the Montague Harbour
> rendezvous
> website, see it at
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
> If you're coming to Vancouver Island, let me know.
>
> Jamie
>
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Hi Krissie,
If you fly, you need a passport, but if you take a ferry or drive,
(or travel by pleasure boat) then the "must have a passport" date is
January 2008. I travelled to Bellingham yesterday, using an expired
passport. Alternatively they accept a birth certificate and picture
ID (e.g. driver's license). (This assumes you are US born,
otherwise you will need more paper.)
I've posted some information on the Montague Harbour rendezvous
website, see it at
http://www.members.shaw.ca/jamie.orr/Montague/crossing_the_border.htm
If you're coming to Vancouver Island, let me know.
Jamie
If you fly, you need a passport, but if you take a ferry or drive,
(or travel by pleasure boat) then the "must have a passport" date is
January 2008. I travelled to Bellingham yesterday, using an expired
passport. Alternatively they accept a birth certificate and picture
ID (e.g. driver's license). (This assumes you are US born,
otherwise you will need more paper.)
I've posted some information on the Montague Harbour rendezvous
website, see it at
http://www.members.shaw.ca/jamie.orr/Montague/crossing_the_border.htm
If you're coming to Vancouver Island, let me know.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jamie do you have your passport? I know I need to
> get one so I can get back into the USA if I go up your
> way...
>
> It's just an idea.
>
> Krissie
>
> --- Jamie Orr <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> > You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the
> > weekend of April 21/22
> > for the wooden boat show -- several members (at
> > least) of the internet
> > group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good
> > opportunity to
> > meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive
> > down from Canada
> > every year for the show.)
> >
> > Jamie Orr
>
>
>
>
>
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_______________
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>
Hi Krissie,
If you fly, you need a passport, but if you take a ferry or drive,
(or travel by pleasure boat) then the "must have a passport" date is
January 2008. I travelled to Bellingham yesterday, using an expired
passport. Alternatively they accept a birth certificate and picture
ID (e.g. driver's license). (This assumes you are US born,
otherwise you will need more paper.)
I've posted some information on the Montague Harbour rendezvous
website, see it at
http://www.members.shaw.ca/jamie.orr/Montague/crossing_the_border.htm
If you're coming to Vancouver Island, let me know.
Jamie
If you fly, you need a passport, but if you take a ferry or drive,
(or travel by pleasure boat) then the "must have a passport" date is
January 2008. I travelled to Bellingham yesterday, using an expired
passport. Alternatively they accept a birth certificate and picture
ID (e.g. driver's license). (This assumes you are US born,
otherwise you will need more paper.)
I've posted some information on the Montague Harbour rendezvous
website, see it at
http://www.members.shaw.ca/jamie.orr/Montague/crossing_the_border.htm
If you're coming to Vancouver Island, let me know.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jamie do you have your passport? I know I need to
> get one so I can get back into the USA if I go up your
> way...
>
> It's just an idea.
>
> Krissie
>
> --- Jamie Orr <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> > You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the
> > weekend of April 21/22
> > for the wooden boat show -- several members (at
> > least) of the internet
> > group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good
> > opportunity to
> > meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive
> > down from Canada
> > every year for the show.)
> >
> > Jamie Orr
>
>
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________
_______________
> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
>http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
>
You're right. I should have looked it up rather than relying on an old memory.
The dinghy I built was designed for 51 sq. ft.
Sorry,
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
The dinghy I built was designed for 51 sq. ft.
Sorry,
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Stephenson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: I need ideas!
Optimist has a 35 sq. ft. sail.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> If I remember right, 72 square feet is about the size of the
Optimist Pram sail.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
It usually gets pretty windy in the afternoon in the summer on Coos Bay
and the Coast lakes, so you want something fairly seaworthy, and better
short rigged than otherwise. My skiff, Pickle, was designed for the bays
and lakes at the Coast. She's 15' long by 5 1/2' wide and carries about 80
sq. ft. of sail -- not enough when the wind is light, but not too much
when it pipes up -- in a single spritsail:
http://tinyurl.com/2r5ayb
I was down in the Bay Area Thursday. Boy, what a beautiful day! One of
theose days that makes one feel good to be alive. :o) Some of the best
boating at the Coast is in the spring and fall, and on those rare nice
days in the winter, because that strong NW wind doesn't come up every
sunny afternoon. Thursday would have been a real good sailing day, but we
didn't take a boat... I often go to Winchester Bay for lunch at Griff's
(best fish and chips anywhere!) and then to Charleston to see what's going
on at the shipyard (one of the cheapest places on the West Coast to work
on your boat, so always something interesting) and wander the docks. Maybe
we can get together ome of these times...
and the Coast lakes, so you want something fairly seaworthy, and better
short rigged than otherwise. My skiff, Pickle, was designed for the bays
and lakes at the Coast. She's 15' long by 5 1/2' wide and carries about 80
sq. ft. of sail -- not enough when the wind is light, but not too much
when it pipes up -- in a single spritsail:
http://tinyurl.com/2r5ayb
I was down in the Bay Area Thursday. Boy, what a beautiful day! One of
theose days that makes one feel good to be alive. :o) Some of the best
boating at the Coast is in the spring and fall, and on those rare nice
days in the winter, because that strong NW wind doesn't come up every
sunny afternoon. Thursday would have been a real good sailing day, but we
didn't take a boat... I often go to Winchester Bay for lunch at Griff's
(best fish and chips anywhere!) and then to Charleston to see what's going
on at the shipyard (one of the cheapest places on the West Coast to work
on your boat, so always something interesting) and wander the docks. Maybe
we can get together ome of these times...
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:05:14 -0700, Scott wrote:
> Thank you all for the encouragement, the "Coots" sound like a great
> group of people, and I hope to meet new boat people.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
One cat just leads to another. <Ernest Hemingway>
He's not at all a fanatic though (as I am about, say, Anhinga) and
recommends Oughtred's building manual for Spartina in this issue of
MAIB.
recommends Oughtred's building manual for Spartina in this issue of
MAIB.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > On the other hand, if you want beautiful traditional looks, you
might consider one of
>
> ...Phil Bolger's beautiful traditional designs. <smile> PCB's
> reputation for 'boxy' boats ignores the vast variety of boats in his
> 700+ body of work.
>
> On the other hand, if you want beautiful traditional looks, you might consider one of...Phil Bolger's beautiful traditional designs. <smile> PCB's
reputation for 'boxy' boats ignores the vast variety of boats in his
700+ body of work.
Optimist has a 35 sq. ft. sail.
Howard
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> If I remember right, 72 square feet is about the size of the
Optimist Pram sail.
Scott:
I would strongly suggest that you use the sail as a boat cover and
spring for the cost of having a sail made to meet the specific needs of
the boat you build. You are going to invest significant effort in
building a boat, and you will ultimately find it disappointing to have
it perform like a dog because the sail is not quite right for it.
You're right that the sail is a major portion of the cost of building a
sailboat, and your idea is sound. However, the next step would be to
build the boat the sail was designed for (or get someone to design a
boat for it). The sail you got is for a tippy dingy, which is not the
sort of boat you really want to sail (and therefore build).
It sounds like you might want to see if a Bobcat would be comfortable
(in terms of space & seating accommodation), or maybe a Chebacco if you
are ambitious. Or Oldshoe if you are up for a boxy look. On the other
hand, if you want beautiful traditional looks, you might consider one of
Ian Oughtred's designs. More skill and time required, but you have been
building models for a long time and Ian's designs are said to be very
complete and error-free. His Caledonia Yawl is spectacular.
Patrick
I would strongly suggest that you use the sail as a boat cover and
spring for the cost of having a sail made to meet the specific needs of
the boat you build. You are going to invest significant effort in
building a boat, and you will ultimately find it disappointing to have
it perform like a dog because the sail is not quite right for it.
You're right that the sail is a major portion of the cost of building a
sailboat, and your idea is sound. However, the next step would be to
build the boat the sail was designed for (or get someone to design a
boat for it). The sail you got is for a tippy dingy, which is not the
sort of boat you really want to sail (and therefore build).
It sounds like you might want to see if a Bobcat would be comfortable
(in terms of space & seating accommodation), or maybe a Chebacco if you
are ambitious. Or Oldshoe if you are up for a boxy look. On the other
hand, if you want beautiful traditional looks, you might consider one of
Ian Oughtred's designs. More skill and time required, but you have been
building models for a long time and Ian's designs are said to be very
complete and error-free. His Caledonia Yawl is spectacular.
Patrick
If I remember right, 72 square feet is about the size of the Optimist Pram sail. Eight feet long and a dull sailor. I used an OP sail on a (heavy) ten foot dinghy I built and it was even duller (300 lbs total displacement). (I'd had the sail on my shelf for years.) It's true that the OP uses a sprit to hoist a trapezoidal sail, so the triangle may give a little better grasp on the wind aloft, but I'd look for something small and light. 500 lbs payload seems like a lot.
The Sunfish gives pretty good response with about 90 square feet of sail on a total displacement of 350 lbs for another point on the curve.
Roger
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The Sunfish gives pretty good response with about 90 square feet of sail on a total displacement of 350 lbs for another point on the curve.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kristine Bennett
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: I need ideas!
Scott to help narrow down you choises make a list of
your "Must Have" and then one for "Would be nice".
From your list it's a short one.
Myself not being a sailor I'm going to guess the sail
will fit something in the 12 to 16 foot range for a
boat. And you need a stiff boat so look for something
that has a wide beam. I know some of the lakes down
your way can be deep but if you are going to beach the
boat at a lake you need to look at the draft as well.
Most of the guys on here know the Bolger boats better
then I do. Both Bolder and Michalek have some nice
looking and nice sailing boats. Enjoy the fun of
building it and then sailing it!!
Blessings Krissie
> I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s
> "Boat building
> for
> beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No
> car topping, I
> live
> in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my
> wife and I are
> middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a
> boat that won be
> tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
>
> Scott
>
>
__________________________________________________________
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> I'm going to guess the sailI see the foot of that sail is a bit short to be the only sail on a
> will fit something in the 12 to 16 foot range for a
> boat. And you need a stiff boat so look for something
> that has a wide beam.
'wide beam' boat in this size range. That is one reason I think the
Old Shoe, with the main sail and a small mizzen, could make best use
of the sail plus gives a wide stable hull.
How about building an International 10 square meter canoe? There's a guy somewhere on the web building one in Canada. It, like mine, is cold-molded. As you might imagine, I own USA98. What's your sail's number?
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Thank you all for the encouragement, the "Coots" sound like a great
group of people, and I hope to meet new boat people. I have been a
member as a lurker in the Messabout W, Bolger, Dinghy cruising,
Michelak, and a few other groups. Before now, we didnt live close to
water and I didnt have a good place to build a boat. Last year when
we decided to live by the ocean, I figured I would get ready to
build a boat. In my opinion, a good sail was more expensive then the
entire hull, spars and rigging, so I found an almost new, 72 sq ft
sail for $30. The next largest expense would be the epoxy, I found a
guy on ebay who sells epoxy by the gallon, so I bought two gallons
for $50. Ok, thats the beginnings of "my sailboat".
I am greatful for the help and advise of all of the boat groups and
I am looking foward to the info, ideas and tips from fellow wooden
boaters.
Scott Backen
group of people, and I hope to meet new boat people. I have been a
member as a lurker in the Messabout W, Bolger, Dinghy cruising,
Michelak, and a few other groups. Before now, we didnt live close to
water and I didnt have a good place to build a boat. Last year when
we decided to live by the ocean, I figured I would get ready to
build a boat. In my opinion, a good sail was more expensive then the
entire hull, spars and rigging, so I found an almost new, 72 sq ft
sail for $30. The next largest expense would be the epoxy, I found a
guy on ebay who sells epoxy by the gallon, so I bought two gallons
for $50. Ok, thats the beginnings of "my sailboat".
I am greatful for the help and advise of all of the boat groups and
I am looking foward to the info, ideas and tips from fellow wooden
boaters.
Scott Backen
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> As one of the aforementioned Ol' Coots, I second Jamie's
suggestion. A
> good contingent of Coots lives down your way. The founder, and
Grand
> Poobah - John Kohnen - lives in Eugene. Though we all revere him,
he
> allows no worship nor crowns... and is, in fact, eminently
> approachable, as well as a fount of boat knowledge. He is, after
all,
> the creator of the sweepingly huge compendium of Nautical
Knowledge:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html
>
> You can find out more about the Coots (as well as introduce
youself,
> if you be so inclined) at the site Jamie cites.
>
> The Depoe Bay Wooden Boat Show & Crab Feed is one of the primary
> events that we all look forward to attending. If you want to talk
> boats... this is THE place to be. You can find out about it, and
more
> events, on the Calendar link at the Yahoo group page. Look in the
> header, near the lead-off foto. And Jamis is much too modest. He
is,
> in fact, a large component of this show. For several years he has
> graced us all by decking himself out in full kit, and playing the
> bagpipes for the Annual blessing of newly launched boats. It is a
> treat to behold him - staunchly planted in a small boat, out in the
> small harbor, providing just the right bit of ceremony to herald
the
> birth of all new additions to the fleet.
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
>
> "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance" --
Socrates
>
> ************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > If you are in Oregon, you should check out
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
> >
> > This is an internet group of boaters that get together for
messabouts,
> > boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make
you
> > welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
> >
> > You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April
21/22
> > for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the
internet
> > group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity
to
> > meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from
Canada
> > every year for the show.)
> >
> > Jamie Orr
>
Scott,
As one of the aforementioned Ol' Coots, I second Jamie's suggestion. A
good contingent of Coots lives down your way. The founder, and Grand
Poobah - John Kohnen - lives in Eugene. Though we all revere him, he
allows no worship nor crowns... and is, in fact, eminently
approachable, as well as a fount of boat knowledge. He is, after all,
the creator of the sweepingly huge compendium of Nautical Knowledge:
http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html
You can find out more about the Coots (as well as introduce youself,
if you be so inclined) at the site Jamie cites.
The Depoe Bay Wooden Boat Show & Crab Feed is one of the primary
events that we all look forward to attending. If you want to talk
boats... this is THE place to be. You can find out about it, and more
events, on the Calendar link at the Yahoo group page. Look in the
header, near the lead-off foto. And Jamis is much too modest. He is,
in fact, a large component of this show. For several years he has
graced us all by decking himself out in full kit, and playing the
bagpipes for the Annual blessing of newly launched boats. It is a
treat to behold him - staunchly planted in a small boat, out in the
small harbor, providing just the right bit of ceremony to herald the
birth of all new additions to the fleet.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance" -- Socrates
************
As one of the aforementioned Ol' Coots, I second Jamie's suggestion. A
good contingent of Coots lives down your way. The founder, and Grand
Poobah - John Kohnen - lives in Eugene. Though we all revere him, he
allows no worship nor crowns... and is, in fact, eminently
approachable, as well as a fount of boat knowledge. He is, after all,
the creator of the sweepingly huge compendium of Nautical Knowledge:
http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html
You can find out more about the Coots (as well as introduce youself,
if you be so inclined) at the site Jamie cites.
The Depoe Bay Wooden Boat Show & Crab Feed is one of the primary
events that we all look forward to attending. If you want to talk
boats... this is THE place to be. You can find out about it, and more
events, on the Calendar link at the Yahoo group page. Look in the
header, near the lead-off foto. And Jamis is much too modest. He is,
in fact, a large component of this show. For several years he has
graced us all by decking himself out in full kit, and playing the
bagpipes for the Annual blessing of newly launched boats. It is a
treat to behold him - staunchly planted in a small boat, out in the
small harbor, providing just the right bit of ceremony to herald the
birth of all new additions to the fleet.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance" -- Socrates
************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Orr" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> If you are in Oregon, you should check out
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
>
> This is an internet group of boaters that get together for messabouts,
> boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make you
> welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
>
> You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April 21/22
> for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the internet
> group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity to
> meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from Canada
> every year for the show.)
>
> Jamie Orr
Oh boy! you are in for it now! We all have suggestions for your sail. Bolger
has some fine boats that would love a sail about that size. Many of his
designs use a sail laced to the mast and with snotters for eigher a leg-O-mutton
or sprit sail.
Also I liked the Swifty I built from a kit by Fred Shell of Shell boats. He
also has some interesting designs and are available as pre cut kits.
Keep us posted on what you decide.
John
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has some fine boats that would love a sail about that size. Many of his
designs use a sail laced to the mast and with snotters for eigher a leg-O-mutton
or sprit sail.
Also I liked the Swifty I built from a kit by Fred Shell of Shell boats. He
also has some interesting designs and are available as pre cut kits.
Keep us posted on what you decide.
John
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Hey Jamie do you have your passport? I know I need to
get one so I can get back into the USA if I go up your
way...
It's just an idea.
Krissie
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get one so I can get back into the USA if I go up your
way...
It's just an idea.
Krissie
--- Jamie Orr <jas_orr@...> wrote:
> You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the____________________________________________________________________________________
> weekend of April 21/22
> for the wooden boat show -- several members (at
> least) of the internet
> group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good
> opportunity to
> meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive
> down from Canada
> every year for the show.)
>
> Jamie Orr
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Scott to help narrow down you choises make a list of
your "Must Have" and then one for "Would be nice".
From your list it's a short one.
Myself not being a sailor I'm going to guess the sail
will fit something in the 12 to 16 foot range for a
boat. And you need a stiff boat so look for something
that has a wide beam. I know some of the lakes down
your way can be deep but if you are going to beach the
boat at a lake you need to look at the draft as well.
Most of the guys on here know the Bolger boats better
then I do. Both Bolder and Michalek have some nice
looking and nice sailing boats. Enjoy the fun of
building it and then sailing it!!
Blessings Krissie
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
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your "Must Have" and then one for "Would be nice".
From your list it's a short one.
Myself not being a sailor I'm going to guess the sail
will fit something in the 12 to 16 foot range for a
boat. And you need a stiff boat so look for something
that has a wide beam. I know some of the lakes down
your way can be deep but if you are going to beach the
boat at a lake you need to look at the draft as well.
Most of the guys on here know the Bolger boats better
then I do. Both Bolder and Michalek have some nice
looking and nice sailing boats. Enjoy the fun of
building it and then sailing it!!
Blessings Krissie
> I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s____________________________________________________________________________________
> "Boat building
> for
> beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No
> car topping, I
> live
> in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my
> wife and I are
> middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a
> boat that won be
> tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
>
> Scott
>
>
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Hi Scott,
If you are in Oregon, you should check out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
This is an internet group of boaters that get together for messabouts,
boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make you
welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April 21/22
for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the internet
group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity to
meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from Canada
every year for the show.)
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "noah_was_a_boatbuilder" <31tudor@...>
wrote:
If you are in Oregon, you should check out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
This is an internet group of boaters that get together for messabouts,
boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make you
welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April 21/22
for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the internet
group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity to
meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from Canada
every year for the show.)
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "noah_was_a_boatbuilder" <31tudor@...>
wrote:
>to
> Hi, I just moved to Coos Bay/North Bend,OR. Its paradise, now I am
> surrounded by water on three sides! I bought an almost new IC dinghy
> sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a small
> jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sail. I want to be able
> cary 500 to 550 lbs, and plan on sailing on the bay and on the
> plentiful lakes where I live.
> Any one have a suggestion?
>
> Thanks.
> Scott Backen
>
Hi Scott,
If you are in Oregon, you should check out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
This is an internet group of boaters that get together for messabouts,
boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make you
welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April 21/22
for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the internet
group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity to
meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from Canada
every year for the show.)
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "noah_was_a_boatbuilder" <31tudor@...>
wrote:
If you are in Oregon, you should check out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/
This is an internet group of boaters that get together for messabouts,
boat building, whatever. They're a friendly bunch and will make you
welcome as well as help out with any boat problems.
You should also plan to go to Depoe Bay on the weekend of April 21/22
for the wooden boat show -- several members (at least) of the internet
group (also known as Coots) will be there -- a good opportunity to
meet them and have a good time as well. (I drive down from Canada
every year for the show.)
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "noah_was_a_boatbuilder" <31tudor@...>
wrote:
>to
> Hi, I just moved to Coos Bay/North Bend,OR. Its paradise, now I am
> surrounded by water on three sides! I bought an almost new IC dinghy
> sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a small
> jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sail. I want to be able
> cary 500 to 550 lbs, and plan on sailing on the bay and on the
> plentiful lakes where I live.
> Any one have a suggestion?
>
> Thanks.
> Scott Backen
>
That sail would make an excellent mainsail for a Bolger Oldshoe.
Judging from you 'wider beam' comment, you want stability and comfort,
and an Oldshoe does that with aplomb.
http://www.solopublications.com/saillanc.html
Judging from you 'wider beam' comment, you want stability and comfort,
and an Oldshoe does that with aplomb.
http://www.solopublications.com/saillanc.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
ft, Foot = 9.5 ft and is for a IC dinghy.
http://www.sailingsource.com/interclub/
>small
> > sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a
> > jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sailI dont have a mast or boom. The sail is: Luff = 15 ft, Leech = 16.5
>
> Can you describe the sail more precisely. Do you also want to re-use
> the mast & boom?
>
ft, Foot = 9.5 ft and is for a IC dinghy.
http://www.sailingsource.com/interclub/
Cool, but I think I want a wider beam.
Scott
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill"
<wetherillc@...> wrote:
Scott
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill"
<wetherillc@...> wrote:
>Behalf Of
> What about June Bug?
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On
> noah_was_a_boatbuildertopping
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:27 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: I need ideas!
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
> >
> > You will get a hundred suggestions, but first you should
> say 'cartop'
> > or 'trailer', and you will probably need a trailer but car
> isbuilding
> > possible. Second, you need to give a hint at to your boat
> > ambitions & skill set.or
> >
> > Be aware, that the quickest and cheapest way to get a boat is to
> buy
> > one, not to build one.
> >
> > Take a look athttp://www.instantboats.comwhich sells a dozen
> sobe
> > Bolger designs that might fit your wishlist.
> >
>
> Hi Bruce, I have never built a full size boat but have been
> building
> scale R/C sailboats in wood and fiberglass for 20 years. Also R/C
> aircraft and I have built a few street rods.
> I have been lurking around in the boat groups for a few years now
> and
> and waist too much on the Internet wishing about building a
> sailboat,
> so now is the time.
> I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s "Boat building
> for
> beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No car topping, I
> live
> in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my wife and I are
> middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a boat that won
> tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
>
> Scott
>
> sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a smallCan you describe the sail more precisely. Do you also want to re-use
> jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sail
the mast & boom?
What about June Bug?
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
noah_was_a_boatbuilder
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:27 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: I need ideas!
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
noah_was_a_boatbuilder
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:27 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: I need ideas!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> You will get a hundred suggestions, but first you should
say 'cartop'
> or 'trailer', and you will probably need a trailer but car topping
is
> possible. Second, you need to give a hint at to your boat building
> ambitions & skill set.
>
> Be aware, that the quickest and cheapest way to get a boat is to
buy
> one, not to build one.
>
> Take a look athttp://www.instantboats.comwhich sells a dozen or
so
> Bolger designs that might fit your wishlist.
>
Hi Bruce, I have never built a full size boat but have been
building
scale R/C sailboats in wood and fiberglass for 20 years. Also R/C
aircraft and I have built a few street rods.
I have been lurking around in the boat groups for a few years now
and
and waist too much on the Internet wishing about building a
sailboat,
so now is the time.
I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s "Boat building
for
beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No car topping, I
live
in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my wife and I are
middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a boat that won be
tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
Scott
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
building
scale R/C sailboats in wood and fiberglass for 20 years. Also R/C
aircraft and I have built a few street rods.
I have been lurking around in the boat groups for a few years now
and
and waist too much on the Internet wishing about building a
sailboat,
so now is the time.
I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s "Boat building
for
beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No car topping, I
live
in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my wife and I are
middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a boat that won be
tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
Scott
>say 'cartop'
> You will get a hundred suggestions, but first you should
> or 'trailer', and you will probably need a trailer but car toppingis
> possible. Second, you need to give a hint at to your boat buildingbuy
> ambitions & skill set.
>
> Be aware, that the quickest and cheapest way to get a boat is to
> one, not to build one.so
>
> Take a look athttp://www.instantboats.comwhich sells a dozen or
> Bolger designs that might fit your wishlist.Hi Bruce, I have never built a full size boat but have been
>
building
scale R/C sailboats in wood and fiberglass for 20 years. Also R/C
aircraft and I have built a few street rods.
I have been lurking around in the boat groups for a few years now
and
and waist too much on the Internet wishing about building a
sailboat,
so now is the time.
I have Payson's "Instant Boats" and Jim Michalek,s "Boat building
for
beginners" and I have a few designs on the list. No car topping, I
live
in a sea port, and trailers are abundant. Also my wife and I are
middle age, and "psychically challenged". We need a boat that won be
tender. I know its a lot to ask for.
Scott
You will get a hundred suggestions, but first you should say 'cartop'
or 'trailer', and you will probably need a trailer but cartopping is
possible. Second, you need to give a hint at to your boatbuilding
ambitions & skill set.
Be aware, that the quickest and cheapest way to get a boat is to buy
one, not to build one.
Take a look athttp://www.instantboats.comwhich sells a dozen or so
Bolger designs that might fit your wishlist.
or 'trailer', and you will probably need a trailer but cartopping is
possible. Second, you need to give a hint at to your boatbuilding
ambitions & skill set.
Be aware, that the quickest and cheapest way to get a boat is to buy
one, not to build one.
Take a look athttp://www.instantboats.comwhich sells a dozen or so
Bolger designs that might fit your wishlist.
Hi, I just moved to Coos Bay/North Bend,OR. Its paradise, now I am
surrounded by water on three sides! I bought an almost new IC dinghy
sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a small
jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sail. I want to be able to
cary 500 to 550 lbs, and plan on sailing on the bay and on the
plentiful lakes where I live.
Any one have a suggestion?
Thanks.
Scott Backen
surrounded by water on three sides! I bought an almost new IC dinghy
sail for $30 on Ebay, it has 72 sq/ft,it could be used with a small
jib. Now I want to build a boat to use the sail. I want to be able to
cary 500 to 550 lbs, and plan on sailing on the bay and on the
plentiful lakes where I live.
Any one have a suggestion?
Thanks.
Scott Backen