Re: Micro drawbacks
Pippo,
I agree with your findings. It took me about 4 hours to line up
the frames and temporarily fasten them in place. It looks like
another
hour or two to glue things up and line up the frames.
Your are correct with the line about "lots of storage". After
going 3D I am impressed by the size of the bow platform / anchor
storage area. It is immense! There is room for someone to ride up
there, quite a thrill for the elementary school age set if they are
good swimmers. It will also provide a great location for storing
fenders, anchors, spare parts, etc... The room under the cockpit is
also impressive.
The layout of each part in the plans is also impressive. There is
a reason for everything. I found that Frame A was the hardest to
line
up. The bow transom was easy after I remember that I made the sides
1"
longer than necessary for some forgotten reason. Center lines and
frame locations on everything, and deck lines made the other parts a
snap to install. I still have not cut out the ventilator in frame A
as
I am still thinking of using a traditional port light here. The
ability to keep water out is as important as letting air in. I may
not
do anything until after a full season of use.
Launch date is probably around July 1, 2001, considering my rate
or progress, weather delays, and finances.
Ciao,
David Jost "Boston"
I agree with your findings. It took me about 4 hours to line up
the frames and temporarily fasten them in place. It looks like
another
hour or two to glue things up and line up the frames.
Your are correct with the line about "lots of storage". After
going 3D I am impressed by the size of the bow platform / anchor
storage area. It is immense! There is room for someone to ride up
there, quite a thrill for the elementary school age set if they are
good swimmers. It will also provide a great location for storing
fenders, anchors, spare parts, etc... The room under the cockpit is
also impressive.
The layout of each part in the plans is also impressive. There is
a reason for everything. I found that Frame A was the hardest to
line
up. The bow transom was easy after I remember that I made the sides
1"
longer than necessary for some forgotten reason. Center lines and
frame locations on everything, and deck lines made the other parts a
snap to install. I still have not cut out the ventilator in frame A
as
I am still thinking of using a traditional port light here. The
ability to keep water out is as important as letting air in. I may
not
do anything until after a full season of use.
Launch date is probably around July 1, 2001, considering my rate
or progress, weather delays, and finances.
Ciao,
David Jost "Boston"
Hi Peter
well, I'm not going to build a showpiece like yours! I'm trying to
stay close to specs as much as I can. Your keel/ballast assembly, by
the way, is much much more complicated than the original one; you
used a backbone, I'm wacking on the floor... Our moderator, Gregg,
built his Micro in a couple of weeks if I remember well...
Just as an example, when I built my first hull, almost the same size
of Micro's, once I had all the pieces cut to shape, I spent about two
hours to assemble and stitch it completely.
I'm (still) convinced that my figures will be fairly accurate (I
could
imagine an absolute maximum of 300 hours...)
Best
Pippo
well, I'm not going to build a showpiece like yours! I'm trying to
stay close to specs as much as I can. Your keel/ballast assembly, by
the way, is much much more complicated than the original one; you
used a backbone, I'm wacking on the floor... Our moderator, Gregg,
built his Micro in a couple of weeks if I remember well...
Just as an example, when I built my first hull, almost the same size
of Micro's, once I had all the pieces cut to shape, I spent about two
hours to assemble and stitch it completely.
I'm (still) convinced that my figures will be fairly accurate (I
could
imagine an absolute maximum of 300 hours...)
Best
Pippo
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "peter lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Hi Pippo,
> 200-250 hours........?I am always very impressed by such
> optimism having been a victim of it myself!It took me 18 months of
> part-time labour and this after telling everyone I could build this
> boat in two months.Glad I am not a betting man!
>
> Peter Lenihan,watching the sun rise slowly over the St.Lawrence in
> the wee cool hours near the end of another night shift on this side
> of the Atlantic..........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>bolger@egroups.com, "Giuseppe Bianco" <pippobianco@t...> wrote:
> > Hi all - I can't leave you guys alone for one day! I leave and,
> just
> > back from Paris, what are the news on the board? Drawbacks! Who
> said
> > drawbacks?
> > Well, as many of you know, I've been spending a fair amount of
> > time considering the pro's and the con's regarding the Micro.
> > Here are my considerations:
> >
> > pro's:
> > 1)exceptional seaworthiness for its size
> > 2)lot of room and storage
> > 3)very versatile rig
> > 4)extremely clever overall design
> >
> > con's:
> > 1)draft (by the way, Micro draws a good 21", not 10"... which
kind
> of
> > keels are you guys building?)
> > 2)weight: at 400 kg, it's a very heavy 15 footer
> > 3)construction is not the easiest
> > 4)look: it's a bit "Bauhaus", but I love it
> >
> > Regarding the costs, I estimate my hull costs to be about 1000
US$,
> > half of which is plywood. I estimate a total about 2000-2500 US$
> for
> > the finished boat, including sails.
> >
> > Regarding the construction time, I think 200 to 250 hours will be
> my
> > score. One could do much better with more elbow room and a table
> saw.
> >
> > Regarding the performance, please read one of the last articles
> > written by Jim Michalak, who reports Micro speeds under sail of
up
> to
> > 8 knots (our moderator actually reports 10 knots with a reacher).
> > Reputable Micro builders/sailor say also very good things about
how
> > high the boat points to windward (see Chuck Merrell's report on
> Micro
> > sailing on his site).
> >
> > And finally, hey, I'm having a kick out of Wharrams cats...
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Pippo
Hi Pippo,
200-250 hours........?I am always very impressed by such
optimism having been a victim of it myself!It took me 18 months of
part-time labour and this after telling everyone I could build this
boat in two months.Glad I am not a betting man!
Peter Lenihan,watching the sun rise slowly over the St.Lawrence in
the wee cool hours near the end of another night shift on this side
of the Atlantic..........
bolger@egroups.com, "Giuseppe Bianco" <pippobianco@t...> wrote:
200-250 hours........?I am always very impressed by such
optimism having been a victim of it myself!It took me 18 months of
part-time labour and this after telling everyone I could build this
boat in two months.Glad I am not a betting man!
Peter Lenihan,watching the sun rise slowly over the St.Lawrence in
the wee cool hours near the end of another night shift on this side
of the Atlantic..........
bolger@egroups.com, "Giuseppe Bianco" <pippobianco@t...> wrote:
> Hi all - I can't leave you guys alone for one day! I leave and,just
> back from Paris, what are the news on the board? Drawbacks! Whosaid
> drawbacks?of
> Well, as many of you know, I've been spending a fair amount of
> time considering the pro's and the con's regarding the Micro.
> Here are my considerations:
>
> pro's:
> 1)exceptional seaworthiness for its size
> 2)lot of room and storage
> 3)very versatile rig
> 4)extremely clever overall design
>
> con's:
> 1)draft (by the way, Micro draws a good 21", not 10"... which kind
> keels are you guys building?)for
> 2)weight: at 400 kg, it's a very heavy 15 footer
> 3)construction is not the easiest
> 4)look: it's a bit "Bauhaus", but I love it
>
> Regarding the costs, I estimate my hull costs to be about 1000 US$,
> half of which is plywood. I estimate a total about 2000-2500 US$
> the finished boat, including sails.my
>
> Regarding the construction time, I think 200 to 250 hours will be
> score. One could do much better with more elbow room and a tablesaw.
>to
> Regarding the performance, please read one of the last articles
> written by Jim Michalak, who reports Micro speeds under sail of up
> 8 knots (our moderator actually reports 10 knots with a reacher).Micro
> Reputable Micro builders/sailor say also very good things about how
> high the boat points to windward (see Chuck Merrell's report on
> sailing on his site).
>
> And finally, hey, I'm having a kick out of Wharrams cats...
>
> Best
>
> Pippo
Hi all - I can't leave you guys alone for one day! I leave and, just
back from Paris, what are the news on the board? Drawbacks! Who said
drawbacks?
Well, as many of you know, I've been spending a fair amount of
time considering the pro's and the con's regarding the Micro.
Here are my considerations:
pro's:
1)exceptional seaworthiness for its size
2)lot of room and storage
3)very versatile rig
4)extremely clever overall design
con's:
1)draft (by the way, Micro draws a good 21", not 10"... which kind of
keels are you guys building?)
2)weight: at 400 kg, it's a very heavy 15 footer
3)construction is not the easiest
4)look: it's a bit "Bauhaus", but I love it
Regarding the costs, I estimate my hull costs to be about 1000 US$,
half of which is plywood. I estimate a total about 2000-2500 US$ for
the finished boat, including sails.
Regarding the construction time, I think 200 to 250 hours will be my
score. One could do much better with more elbow room and a table saw.
Regarding the performance, please read one of the last articles
written by Jim Michalak, who reports Micro speeds under sail of up to
8 knots (our moderator actually reports 10 knots with a reacher).
Reputable Micro builders/sailor say also very good things about how
high the boat points to windward (see Chuck Merrell's report on Micro
sailing on his site).
And finally, hey, I'm having a kick out of Wharrams cats...
Best
Pippo
back from Paris, what are the news on the board? Drawbacks! Who said
drawbacks?
Well, as many of you know, I've been spending a fair amount of
time considering the pro's and the con's regarding the Micro.
Here are my considerations:
pro's:
1)exceptional seaworthiness for its size
2)lot of room and storage
3)very versatile rig
4)extremely clever overall design
con's:
1)draft (by the way, Micro draws a good 21", not 10"... which kind of
keels are you guys building?)
2)weight: at 400 kg, it's a very heavy 15 footer
3)construction is not the easiest
4)look: it's a bit "Bauhaus", but I love it
Regarding the costs, I estimate my hull costs to be about 1000 US$,
half of which is plywood. I estimate a total about 2000-2500 US$ for
the finished boat, including sails.
Regarding the construction time, I think 200 to 250 hours will be my
score. One could do much better with more elbow room and a table saw.
Regarding the performance, please read one of the last articles
written by Jim Michalak, who reports Micro speeds under sail of up to
8 knots (our moderator actually reports 10 knots with a reacher).
Reputable Micro builders/sailor say also very good things about how
high the boat points to windward (see Chuck Merrell's report on Micro
sailing on his site).
And finally, hey, I'm having a kick out of Wharrams cats...
Best
Pippo