RE: [bolger] Teal first
Yes, very interested in pictures. After building a Chebacco hull I don't
care it I never see (and sand) epoxy again. I have a stack of 1/2 inch pine
I've kept through 19 years and two moves, intended for the Chamberlain 13
footer. Maybe next summer?
Jamie
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From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:46 PM
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Teal first
Jamie and Group,
The boat was built as a class project. Construction was with demensioned
lumber, riveted lapstrake hull with sawn oak frames and stem bent oak ones
as well. (Traditional style lapstrake construction must be why Phil Bolger
and Dynamite Payson do what they do.) We used full sized plans provided by
the instructor, Simon Watts and copies of the complete article from John
Gardner's dory book. I too have admired the boat and have read and re-read
Mr. Gardner's book from cover to cover.
The class completed the project boat in 7 long days. We launched it with
great ceremony in minimal surf next to the San Francisco Maritime Museum
pier. It was typically tender with one person aboard, but when (over)loaded
down with all the class members for pictures, there remained about 4" of
freeboard. Stability was amazing with 3 or 4 on board.
It rowed beautifully. The ever-present SF Bay wind seemed to affect it
little. Its a beautiful Swampscot style dory. I'd like to see someone do
up a tack and tape design for the Chamberlain Dory and the 18' Swampscot
Dory that are both featured in Mr. Gardner's book.
I hope this was helpful. I have some pictures of the build. I'll scan them
in this coming weekend if anyone is interested in them.
Jim
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care it I never see (and sand) epoxy again. I have a stack of 1/2 inch pine
I've kept through 19 years and two moves, intended for the Chamberlain 13
footer. Maybe next summer?
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:46 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Teal first
Jamie and Group,
The boat was built as a class project. Construction was with demensioned
lumber, riveted lapstrake hull with sawn oak frames and stem bent oak ones
as well. (Traditional style lapstrake construction must be why Phil Bolger
and Dynamite Payson do what they do.) We used full sized plans provided by
the instructor, Simon Watts and copies of the complete article from John
Gardner's dory book. I too have admired the boat and have read and re-read
Mr. Gardner's book from cover to cover.
The class completed the project boat in 7 long days. We launched it with
great ceremony in minimal surf next to the San Francisco Maritime Museum
pier. It was typically tender with one person aboard, but when (over)loaded
down with all the class members for pictures, there remained about 4" of
freeboard. Stability was amazing with 3 or 4 on board.
It rowed beautifully. The ever-present SF Bay wind seemed to affect it
little. Its a beautiful Swampscot style dory. I'd like to see someone do
up a tack and tape design for the Chamberlain Dory and the 18' Swampscot
Dory that are both featured in Mr. Gardner's book.
I hope this was helpful. I have some pictures of the build. I'll scan them
in this coming weekend if anyone is interested in them.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Orr, Jamie [mailto:jorr@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:57 AM
> To: 'bolger@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Teal first
>
>
> Jim
>
> Can we have some details on the Chamberlain dory? (I've admired the
> Chamberlain dory skiff in Gardner's Dory Book for about 20 years now.)
>
> Good luck on the Teal.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:10 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Teal first
>
>
> Advice, please.
>
> I really need to build a boat and the Teal looks like a good project with
> which to start. This will be my first solo attempt. I previously did a
> Chamberlain Dory in a class under Simon Watts.
>
> Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the
> recommended marine
> grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JIm
>
>
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Jamie and Group,
The boat was built as a class project. Construction was with demensioned
lumber, riveted lapstrake hull with sawn oak frames and stem bent oak ones
as well. (Traditional style lapstrake construction must be why Phil Bolger
and Dynamite Payson do what they do.) We used full sized plans provided by
the instructor, Simon Watts and copies of the complete article from John
Gardner's dory book. I too have admired the boat and have read and re-read
Mr. Gardner's book from cover to cover.
The class completed the project boat in 7 long days. We launched it with
great ceremony in minimal surf next to the San Francisco Maritime Museum
pier. It was typically tender with one person aboard, but when (over)loaded
down with all the class members for pictures, there remained about 4" of
freeboard. Stability was amazing with 3 or 4 on board.
It rowed beautifully. The ever-present SF Bay wind seemed to affect it
little. Its a beautiful Swampscot style dory. I'd like to see someone do
up a tack and tape design for the Chamberlain Dory and the 18' Swampscot
Dory that are both featured in Mr. Gardner's book.
I hope this was helpful. I have some pictures of the build. I'll scan them
in this coming weekend if anyone is interested in them.
Jim
The boat was built as a class project. Construction was with demensioned
lumber, riveted lapstrake hull with sawn oak frames and stem bent oak ones
as well. (Traditional style lapstrake construction must be why Phil Bolger
and Dynamite Payson do what they do.) We used full sized plans provided by
the instructor, Simon Watts and copies of the complete article from John
Gardner's dory book. I too have admired the boat and have read and re-read
Mr. Gardner's book from cover to cover.
The class completed the project boat in 7 long days. We launched it with
great ceremony in minimal surf next to the San Francisco Maritime Museum
pier. It was typically tender with one person aboard, but when (over)loaded
down with all the class members for pictures, there remained about 4" of
freeboard. Stability was amazing with 3 or 4 on board.
It rowed beautifully. The ever-present SF Bay wind seemed to affect it
little. Its a beautiful Swampscot style dory. I'd like to see someone do
up a tack and tape design for the Chamberlain Dory and the 18' Swampscot
Dory that are both featured in Mr. Gardner's book.
I hope this was helpful. I have some pictures of the build. I'll scan them
in this coming weekend if anyone is interested in them.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Orr, Jamie [mailto:jorr@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:57 AM
> To: 'bolger@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Teal first
>
>
> Jim
>
> Can we have some details on the Chamberlain dory? (I've admired the
> Chamberlain dory skiff in Gardner's Dory Book for about 20 years now.)
>
> Good luck on the Teal.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:10 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Teal first
>
>
> Advice, please.
>
> I really need to build a boat and the Teal looks like a good project with
> which to start. This will be my first solo attempt. I previously did a
> Chamberlain Dory in a class under Simon Watts.
>
> Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the
> recommended marine
> grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JIm
>
>
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Jim
Can we have some details on the Chamberlain dory? (I've admired the
Chamberlain dory skiff in Gardner's Dory Book for about 20 years now.)
Good luck on the Teal.
Jamie Orr
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From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:10 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Teal first
Advice, please.
I really need to build a boat and the Teal looks like a good project with
which to start. This will be my first solo attempt. I previously did a
Chamberlain Dory in a class under Simon Watts.
Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the recommended marine
grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
JIm
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Can we have some details on the Chamberlain dory? (I've admired the
Chamberlain dory skiff in Gardner's Dory Book for about 20 years now.)
Good luck on the Teal.
Jamie Orr
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From: Jim Chamberlin RCSIS [mailto:jchamberlin@...]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:10 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Teal first
Advice, please.
I really need to build a boat and the Teal looks like a good project with
which to start. This will be my first solo attempt. I previously did a
Chamberlain Dory in a class under Simon Watts.
Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the recommended marine
grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
welcome and appreciated.
Thanks,
JIm
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Sure, Harry:
At the website
http://www.linntonplywood.com
there's contact info but not much about the marine plywood.
For more, see the thread here, "NW Plywood Prices."
By, "Their version of marine plywood" I mean sans the APA stamp.
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
At the website
http://www.linntonplywood.com
there's contact info but not much about the marine plywood.
For more, see the thread here, "NW Plywood Prices."
By, "Their version of marine plywood" I mean sans the APA stamp.
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
>
> Can I have the name of the Mill? Truck rates to the barge in
> Seattle are not that bad.
> Mark Albanese wrote:
>>
> > There's a retail door of a local mill here in Portland
> > selling their version of marine ply at the same price as AC
> > from the yards, and while still not perfect, is much, much
> > better. There are other possibilities. The plywood itself is
> > not so steep, the shipping is what can kill you.
For something on the nature of the overall experience of building a small
first boat, you may wish to look at an article I did for Duckworks Magazine
on building my first boat, a Bolger designed Tortoise. You will find it at
duckworksmagazine.com This gets you the title page, from the title page,
click on the "Articles" link.
Regards, Warren
first boat, you may wish to look at an article I did for Duckworks Magazine
on building my first boat, a Bolger designed Tortoise. You will find it at
duckworksmagazine.com This gets you the title page, from the title page,
click on the "Articles" link.
Regards, Warren
Mark
Can I have the name of the Mill? Truck rates to the barge in
Seattle are not that bad.
I agree with you on the cost deferential, Marine versus AC on the
Teal. Buy the good stuff, especially if it is 3/8ths.
HJ
Mark Albanese wrote:
% Harrywelshman@...
Can I have the name of the Mill? Truck rates to the barge in
Seattle are not that bad.
I agree with you on the cost deferential, Marine versus AC on the
Teal. Buy the good stuff, especially if it is 3/8ths.
HJ
Mark Albanese wrote:
>_ _ _ _ _
>
>
> There's a retail door of a local mill here in Portland
> selling their version of marine ply at the same price as AC
> from the yards, and while still not perfect, is much, much
> better. There are other possibilities. The plywood itself is
> not so steep, the shipping is what can kill you.
>
> Sure, you can do it. But with only two sheets to buy for
> Teal, splurging on first rate materials might yield in
> satisfaction something greater than the difference.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
% Harrywelshman@...
Without contradicting these other builders, I'd like to put
in a word for using the best plywood you can afford. By
following Harry's advice in examining the sheets carefully,
you won't go too far wrong, certainly.
But a new builder might find the headaches of finding and
plugging voids all the way through, curly sheets that
distort the layout, saw lines that splinter mercilessly no
matter how well stuck with tape on the bottom side, goofy
bending, and wild grain may interfere somewhat with getting
the important parts right.
There's a retail door of a local mill here in Portland
selling their version of marine ply at the same price as AC
from the yards, and while still not perfect, is much, much
better. There are other possibilities. The plywood itself is
not so steep, the shipping is what can kill you.
Sure, you can do it. But with only two sheets to buy for
Teal, splurging on first rate materials might yield in
satisfaction something greater than the difference.
Mark
Jim Chamberlin wrote:
in a word for using the best plywood you can afford. By
following Harry's advice in examining the sheets carefully,
you won't go too far wrong, certainly.
But a new builder might find the headaches of finding and
plugging voids all the way through, curly sheets that
distort the layout, saw lines that splinter mercilessly no
matter how well stuck with tape on the bottom side, goofy
bending, and wild grain may interfere somewhat with getting
the important parts right.
There's a retail door of a local mill here in Portland
selling their version of marine ply at the same price as AC
from the yards, and while still not perfect, is much, much
better. There are other possibilities. The plywood itself is
not so steep, the shipping is what can kill you.
Sure, you can do it. But with only two sheets to buy for
Teal, splurging on first rate materials might yield in
satisfaction something greater than the difference.
Mark
Jim Chamberlin wrote:
>recommended marine
>Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the
>grade?StepHydro wrote:
>Teal, some of these
>It has worked very well in thousands of boats similar to
>by me, some by my brother, some by my neighbor.Chuck Leinweber wrote:
>I have not been
>I concur: I am on my sixth boat using lumberyard ply, and
>disappointed. - Chuck"Harry W. James" wrote:
>
> I take a good look at the facing plies, comparing their thickness to the core
> plies. If the core to face ratio isn't too bad then I pick through and get the
> sheets with the fewest voids.
>
> Wonder few a few lumber yards and take a look to get a feel at what you might
> want to look for. Don't go just once to a yard, they get different shipments in
> and the quality can change dramatically.
>
> Using AC guarantees that you are building the boat for yourself and not for
> resale.
>
> HJ in Juneau
>
> Jim Chamberlin RCSIS wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the recommended marine
> > grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
> > welcome and appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > JIm
> >
> >
>
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Gee, you guys must be fast. How do you do it?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
snip
>
> It has worked very well in thousands of boats similar to Teal, some
of these
> by me, some by my brother, some by my neighbor.
>
> Don't worry about the wood. Go ahead and build it.
>
> Cheers/carron
I have used AC on several occasions. I will never consider 3/8th's again, at
least so I thought until Fritz brought over with some good stuff the other day.
I have had good luck with 5 ply 1/2" AC and bad luck with 4 ply.
I take a good look at the facing plies, comparing their thickness to the core
plies. If the core to face ratio isn't too bad then I pick through and get the
sheets with the fewest voids.
Wonder few a few lumber yards and take a look to get a feel at what you might
want to look for. Don't go just once to a yard, they get different shipments in
and the quality can change dramatically.
Using AC guarantees that you are building the boat for yourself and not for
resale.
HJ in Juneau
Jim Chamberlin RCSIS wrote:
_ _ _ _ _
% Harrywelshman@...
least so I thought until Fritz brought over with some good stuff the other day.
I have had good luck with 5 ply 1/2" AC and bad luck with 4 ply.
I take a good look at the facing plies, comparing their thickness to the core
plies. If the core to face ratio isn't too bad then I pick through and get the
sheets with the fewest voids.
Wonder few a few lumber yards and take a look to get a feel at what you might
want to look for. Don't go just once to a yard, they get different shipments in
and the quality can change dramatically.
Using AC guarantees that you are building the boat for yourself and not for
resale.
HJ in Juneau
Jim Chamberlin RCSIS wrote:
>--
>
> Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the recommended marine
> grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JIm
>
>
_ _ _ _ _
% Harrywelshman@...
I concur: I am on my sixth boat using lumberyard ply, and I have not been
disappointed. - Chuck
disappointed. - Chuck
>these
> Jim,
>
> It has worked very well in thousands of boats similar to Teal, some of
> by me, some by my brother, some by my neighbor.
>
> Don't worry about the wood. Go ahead and build it.
>
> Cheers/carron
In a message dated 06/16/2000 10:<BR12:<BR43 PM
Eastern Daylight,jchamberlin@...writes:
It has worked very well in thousands of boats similar to Teal, some of these
by me, some by my brother, some by my neighbor.
Don't worry about the wood. Go ahead and build it.
Cheers/carron
Eastern Daylight,jchamberlin@...writes:
> Has anyone built it using AC exterior ply instead of the recommended marineJim,
> grade? If so, how did it work out? Your comments and experiences are
> welcome and appreciated.
It has worked very well in thousands of boats similar to Teal, some of these
by me, some by my brother, some by my neighbor.
Don't worry about the wood. Go ahead and build it.
Cheers/carron