Re: Where's Bolger's Flobards?
>St Valery surely.Blury text scans here
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=43497
The "lugger" discussed I think is like the original larger North
Australian mother boats of the actual pearl diving open boats.
Here's a sundown silhouette of a 1986 replica of a 19th century one
http://www.williecruises.com.au/gallery/view_photo.php?
set_albumName=boat&id=F1350022
The gallery
http://www.williecruises.com.au/gallery/view_album.php?
set_albumName=boat&page=1
The reasons for the term "lugger" are given here along with pics of
Penguin a later type of "lugger" from times when motherships were no
longer used
http://www.afloat.com.au/www/79/1001224/displayarticle/1026882.html
The Penguin is displayed in Brisbane at the Queensland Maritime
Museum but is one of their boats not shown on their website except
for the one from under the bow near the lighthouse
http://www.maritimemuseum.com.au/
The pearling lugger hull lines seem rather diffent to those of the
flobarts St Valery, no?
Graeme
A Roman Problem: for the shallow sailing Celts, like the Vikings
later on the Normandy beaches, marinas and deep water are optional.
There's some of the British lugger, North Sea boats, there's the
Dutch, and there's the boats of Normandy, surely, in Bolger's work.
Normandy. Ahh, St Valery surely. Perhaps Manatee, and so on. Those
capacious, capable luggers of full flat bottoms, curved firm bilges
and high flat sides, with their upright bows, and lovely sheer.
There's a shaped resonance, I think, in Oldshoe, and in Jesse Cooper
(famously made in France) to these boats; and to the Flobards.
Flobard? "Flobart" (from the French Wikipedia) takes after one of
the most successful Viking boat shapes that is commonly
called "Drakkar"*. The translated French Wikipedia shows "Drakkar"
as coming from the Swedish term "drake" meaning "dragon"
(*redirected to "Boat Viking").
Further, French Wikipedia says that in Bolted, in the north of
France, until the end of the XX century, the professional fishermen
continued to use a small "boat Viking" (ie taking after the Drakkar
type in shape and construction) for inshore fishing. And it's
the "flobart", whose hull also consists of superimposed boards with
covering joints - ieViking clinker. The last of these got out of
wood are in Audresselles and Wissant on the Opal Coast of Normandy.
Some are now popped out in FRP from moulds taken off the originals.
The big ones are gone, but interest in traditional boats has seen a
few new wooden ones recently
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flobart&prev=/search%3Fq%
3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2pm79j )
Prior to Viking times, similar looking boats of the Amorican
Confederation may even have met the forces of Caius Julius Ceasar to
the south west of what is now Brittany on the Gulf of Morbihan, as
described by him in Book 3 (14) of his "Commentary on the War of the
Gaules". The very close run naval Battle of Morbihan in 56BC was a
decisive one for Ceasar in the Gallic Wars. The Roman navy, all but
routed and running after losing all day, lucked-out at midnight: the
wind died for Ceasar, and left unsubdued in Gaule only the Morins
and Menapes whose forest hiding places were then clear felled.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan&prev=/searc
h%3Fq%3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (
http://tinyurl.com/2dbbzt )
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan
Fast forward to Flobards (also "Flobarts" from the Saxon "Vlot bar"
meaning floating), which do remind me much of Bolger's doctrine of
high sides with shallow draft; these cute, very seaworthy - one only
ever lost in 1939 - sea kindly, colourful, beach launched boats.
Workboat, lifeboat luggers; has Bolger modeled one? Planked bilges
perhaps with plywood sides? They have a lifting keel, but no matter.
There used to be a village on the cliffs of houses made from retired
large Flobards flipped onto foundations with doorways and windows
then let in - now they copy it in colourful concrete at Eqihen-
Beach; wonderful stuff.
Would I be within the small Flobards zone with any increase in
Oldshoe's freeboard perhaps?
Desktop boat art, anyone? I'm sure I love, just love, these little
boats on sight; as sure as painter Dominique Van den Broek loves the
light. There's Flobards in her collection 2006, and there's more in
2005 too: http://dvdb.fr/paintings.html?year=2006
A Flobard festival (do click the last pic for an interesting page
on the Flobard history):
http://www.bymnews.com/boatsyachtsmarinas/Events/html/fete_des_flobar
ds.html ( http://tinyurl.com/2gaytq )
Bolger, and the Vikings may have had the Amorican boats rigged as
rowing auxilliaries, just in case - to withdraw sans wind, or as I
think to turtle on regardless like an Admiral Yi. Most gauling for
the financially strapped one time Consul Caesar; but then Hadrian
might not be driven to the wall.
Graeme
PSes
Celtic Ships.. (Take a look first at the large Flobards)
One finds already a resemblance of the flobarts to the boats of
Vénètes (of people of Morbihan) in the War of Gaules, delivers 3,
chap. 14, of Caius Jules César: "their hull was much more punt that
that of our vessels, so that they do not fear to be failed; their
prow and their poop were very raised, because the height of the
waves and the violence of the storms; the boat was entirely in oak
to support the shocks and tirednesses; the cross-pieces, a foot
thickness, were subjugated by iron ankles ("claves") thickness of an
inch " ("The Voice of the North" of January 25, 2006 page 1401,
conference of Yves Brogniart)
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flobart&prev=/search%3Fq%
3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2pm79j )
Celtic Ships... Again (Take a look first at the large Flobards)
According to César, the ships vénètes were higher than those of the
Romans: their hulls were more punts and thus were adapted to the
hollows and the backward flows. The prows and the poops were very
raised what enabled them to sail more easily by heavy weather and
storm. The boats were out of wood, the anchors were retained by
chains and the veils were made starting from skins. Moreover, they
were larger and more solid masses that the Roman ships and their
hulls were so solid that they resisted perfectly their blows of
spurs. Their edges were also more high, which protected the soldiers
from the shootings of the Romans, who were to them-even in
vulnerable position, finally these high edges made difficult a
boarding of the enemy. Take a look at the large Flobards
Roman Ships..
The Roman ships had for only advantage compared to the faster and
handy ships vénètes of being thanks to their oars, the veils being
used little. However these ships were especially effective on a sea
calms and supported the storms badly.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan&prev=/searc
h%3Fq%3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2dbbzt )
You'll find some more pics amongst this lot if wanted
Google returns 070409 for Flobard = 10300, Flobards = 307
Google returns 070409 for Flobart = 2460, Flobarts = 829
They're here also with PB&F
http://www.nauticaspect.com/Inhoud_EN.htm and "form follows
function" Bantam.
later on the Normandy beaches, marinas and deep water are optional.
There's some of the British lugger, North Sea boats, there's the
Dutch, and there's the boats of Normandy, surely, in Bolger's work.
Normandy. Ahh, St Valery surely. Perhaps Manatee, and so on. Those
capacious, capable luggers of full flat bottoms, curved firm bilges
and high flat sides, with their upright bows, and lovely sheer.
There's a shaped resonance, I think, in Oldshoe, and in Jesse Cooper
(famously made in France) to these boats; and to the Flobards.
Flobard? "Flobart" (from the French Wikipedia) takes after one of
the most successful Viking boat shapes that is commonly
called "Drakkar"*. The translated French Wikipedia shows "Drakkar"
as coming from the Swedish term "drake" meaning "dragon"
(*redirected to "Boat Viking").
Further, French Wikipedia says that in Bolted, in the north of
France, until the end of the XX century, the professional fishermen
continued to use a small "boat Viking" (ie taking after the Drakkar
type in shape and construction) for inshore fishing. And it's
the "flobart", whose hull also consists of superimposed boards with
covering joints - ieViking clinker. The last of these got out of
wood are in Audresselles and Wissant on the Opal Coast of Normandy.
Some are now popped out in FRP from moulds taken off the originals.
The big ones are gone, but interest in traditional boats has seen a
few new wooden ones recently
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flobart&prev=/search%3Fq%
3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2pm79j )
Prior to Viking times, similar looking boats of the Amorican
Confederation may even have met the forces of Caius Julius Ceasar to
the south west of what is now Brittany on the Gulf of Morbihan, as
described by him in Book 3 (14) of his "Commentary on the War of the
Gaules". The very close run naval Battle of Morbihan in 56BC was a
decisive one for Ceasar in the Gallic Wars. The Roman navy, all but
routed and running after losing all day, lucked-out at midnight: the
wind died for Ceasar, and left unsubdued in Gaule only the Morins
and Menapes whose forest hiding places were then clear felled.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan&prev=/searc
h%3Fq%3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (
http://tinyurl.com/2dbbzt )
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan
Fast forward to Flobards (also "Flobarts" from the Saxon "Vlot bar"
meaning floating), which do remind me much of Bolger's doctrine of
high sides with shallow draft; these cute, very seaworthy - one only
ever lost in 1939 - sea kindly, colourful, beach launched boats.
Workboat, lifeboat luggers; has Bolger modeled one? Planked bilges
perhaps with plywood sides? They have a lifting keel, but no matter.
There used to be a village on the cliffs of houses made from retired
large Flobards flipped onto foundations with doorways and windows
then let in - now they copy it in colourful concrete at Eqihen-
Beach; wonderful stuff.
Would I be within the small Flobards zone with any increase in
Oldshoe's freeboard perhaps?
Desktop boat art, anyone? I'm sure I love, just love, these little
boats on sight; as sure as painter Dominique Van den Broek loves the
light. There's Flobards in her collection 2006, and there's more in
2005 too: http://dvdb.fr/paintings.html?year=2006
A Flobard festival (do click the last pic for an interesting page
on the Flobard history):
http://www.bymnews.com/boatsyachtsmarinas/Events/html/fete_des_flobar
ds.html ( http://tinyurl.com/2gaytq )
Bolger, and the Vikings may have had the Amorican boats rigged as
rowing auxilliaries, just in case - to withdraw sans wind, or as I
think to turtle on regardless like an Admiral Yi. Most gauling for
the financially strapped one time Consul Caesar; but then Hadrian
might not be driven to the wall.
Graeme
PSes
Celtic Ships.. (Take a look first at the large Flobards)
One finds already a resemblance of the flobarts to the boats of
Vénètes (of people of Morbihan) in the War of Gaules, delivers 3,
chap. 14, of Caius Jules César: "their hull was much more punt that
that of our vessels, so that they do not fear to be failed; their
prow and their poop were very raised, because the height of the
waves and the violence of the storms; the boat was entirely in oak
to support the shocks and tirednesses; the cross-pieces, a foot
thickness, were subjugated by iron ankles ("claves") thickness of an
inch " ("The Voice of the North" of January 25, 2006 page 1401,
conference of Yves Brogniart)
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flobart&prev=/search%3Fq%
3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2pm79j )
Celtic Ships... Again (Take a look first at the large Flobards)
According to César, the ships vénètes were higher than those of the
Romans: their hulls were more punts and thus were adapted to the
hollows and the backward flows. The prows and the poops were very
raised what enabled them to sail more easily by heavy weather and
storm. The boats were out of wood, the anchors were retained by
chains and the veils were made starting from skins. Moreover, they
were larger and more solid masses that the Roman ships and their
hulls were so solid that they resisted perfectly their blows of
spurs. Their edges were also more high, which protected the soldiers
from the shootings of the Romans, who were to them-even in
vulnerable position, finally these high edges made difficult a
boarding of the enemy. Take a look at the large Flobards
Roman Ships..
The Roman ships had for only advantage compared to the faster and
handy ships vénètes of being thanks to their oars, the veils being
used little. However these ships were especially effective on a sea
calms and supported the storms badly.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?
hl=en&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Morbihan&prev=/searc
h%3Fq%3DFlobart%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ( http://tinyurl.com/2dbbzt )
You'll find some more pics amongst this lot if wanted
Google returns 070409 for Flobard = 10300, Flobards = 307
Google returns 070409 for Flobart = 2460, Flobarts = 829
They're here also with PB&F
http://www.nauticaspect.com/Inhoud_EN.htm and "form follows
function" Bantam.