Re: Storm Petrel - corralling the kids?
Matthew - at Smallboats group files
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Smallboats/files/down the page a
bit, take a peek at the file: "Dcp_0020.jpg view of cockpit Tonys
File 2 Storm Petrel"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Smallboats/files/tonys%20file/Those
samson posts may give an idea of how to build in some upright
elements here and there on which to mount railings. Yep, Tony's post
sizes are much more than you would need, and yours would have to be
at the sides, and best inclined outwards rather than verticle. One
in the stern corner and another one or two along the side, or even
extend to the bow. Take a look at the pics in the folder "tonys file
storm petrel" a bit further up the files page and see how he
anchored the posts under the deck. I'd imagine your railing posts
attached to the sides and rising from the bottom where they'd be
attached too. Of course it may be a lot easier to attach them on the
outside of the sides, and the transom corner staunchions of the
Micro Navigator might give a clue of their size, engineered shape,
and fixing - yours may not be as tall - and also you would need to
keep the post bottoms above the heeled waterline. Best places, to
avoid the ply sides ever buckling under loads from such cantilevered
posts, would be at the bulkheads. Maybe a doubler on the inside
would solve? How are those railing posts to the side of the AS-29
cockpit fixed to the deck?
With some allowances made, you may acheive a boat looking a bit like
the photo of the racing dhows posted in group photos
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/view/8b34?
b=1&m=f&o=0 a light cover could be rigged to keep the African sun
off the cockpit crew - as shown the boom is well high enough. Maybe
out of shade cloth so you could still instantly see the sail, but
with that Strangford Latine rig from Zephyr that Bolger put on
Storm Petrel you wouldn't have to mind the sail very much. Gallows,
and chocks could be incorporated to keep the spars and sail stored,
out of the way off the deck, when not in use.
For sport get one of those Tunisian racing lateen sails rigged
http://www.boatsyachtsmarinas.com/Events/html/lateen_regatta.html
and go!! Resale of lateen rigged Storm Petrel in Tunisian waters
would be easy, I would think. The boat would almost look
indidgenous, no?
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Smallboats/files/down the page a
bit, take a peek at the file: "Dcp_0020.jpg view of cockpit Tonys
File 2 Storm Petrel"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Smallboats/files/tonys%20file/Those
samson posts may give an idea of how to build in some upright
elements here and there on which to mount railings. Yep, Tony's post
sizes are much more than you would need, and yours would have to be
at the sides, and best inclined outwards rather than verticle. One
in the stern corner and another one or two along the side, or even
extend to the bow. Take a look at the pics in the folder "tonys file
storm petrel" a bit further up the files page and see how he
anchored the posts under the deck. I'd imagine your railing posts
attached to the sides and rising from the bottom where they'd be
attached too. Of course it may be a lot easier to attach them on the
outside of the sides, and the transom corner staunchions of the
Micro Navigator might give a clue of their size, engineered shape,
and fixing - yours may not be as tall - and also you would need to
keep the post bottoms above the heeled waterline. Best places, to
avoid the ply sides ever buckling under loads from such cantilevered
posts, would be at the bulkheads. Maybe a doubler on the inside
would solve? How are those railing posts to the side of the AS-29
cockpit fixed to the deck?
With some allowances made, you may acheive a boat looking a bit like
the photo of the racing dhows posted in group photos
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/view/8b34?
b=1&m=f&o=0 a light cover could be rigged to keep the African sun
off the cockpit crew - as shown the boom is well high enough. Maybe
out of shade cloth so you could still instantly see the sail, but
with that Strangford Latine rig from Zephyr that Bolger put on
Storm Petrel you wouldn't have to mind the sail very much. Gallows,
and chocks could be incorporated to keep the spars and sail stored,
out of the way off the deck, when not in use.
For sport get one of those Tunisian racing lateen sails rigged
http://www.boatsyachtsmarinas.com/Events/html/lateen_regatta.html
and go!! Resale of lateen rigged Storm Petrel in Tunisian waters
would be easy, I would think. The boat would almost look
indidgenous, no?
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
> Any more ideas on railings, lifelines, tethers, etc. for dinghyto
> sailing with little kids?
>
> Also, anyone know of any articles, online tools or anything else
> help put together a DIY rail system?
Matthew,
I remember your boatbuilding and postings from years ago...
If you can consider a non-Bolger design, (yet very Bolger like) hop over to the Yahoo Group JGBuilders;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/
Have a look at Hot Chili, especially the one recently launched by Hugh Miller. Look in the photo section under "hot chili by hugh" ;http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/photos/browse/bd85
Notice how Bolger-like the small pile of plywood in the carport quickly transforms into a catamaran with an 8' x 8' bridgedeck (half cockpit, half under cabin), plus the space n the hulls! Not to take anything away from our hero Mr Bolger, (I have built Microtrawler, Diablo, Bee, Teal, Shoebox and Pointy Skiff all by Bolger) but Jeff does some interesting things in plywood and HC may be to your liking.
Hugh recently posted a sailing report in message # 656;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/message/656
It's an amazing boat.
Plenty of kiddy koral space and a dead simple build....
Also, (excuse the parental rant) I second Nels' suggestion of the kiddie PDF's with the floatation flap behind the head and NO floatation on the back, but plenty on the chest -designed to keep a kid floating face up--- plus a crotch strap (I witnessed a child jump into the water from a dock in a standard kids PFD and was shocked as the kid slipped through the thing and sank while the PFD bobbed nicely) and a "lift the kid out of the water" type strap sewn into the thing, and a chest loop for a lanyard.... I've also witness a child rescued in heavy seas in one of them - (Idiot parents did not have the lanyard attached). My son lived in one onboard until he outgrew it and we gave it away for the next size up. Once he could easily swim across a big pool when unexpectedly tossed in while wearing full clothing we let him onboard in a regular (but sized to fit) PFD.
Whatever you build and wherever you travel to next, keep us posted....
Later,
Rick Bedard
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I remember your boatbuilding and postings from years ago...
If you can consider a non-Bolger design, (yet very Bolger like) hop over to the Yahoo Group JGBuilders;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/
Have a look at Hot Chili, especially the one recently launched by Hugh Miller. Look in the photo section under "hot chili by hugh" ;http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/photos/browse/bd85
Notice how Bolger-like the small pile of plywood in the carport quickly transforms into a catamaran with an 8' x 8' bridgedeck (half cockpit, half under cabin), plus the space n the hulls! Not to take anything away from our hero Mr Bolger, (I have built Microtrawler, Diablo, Bee, Teal, Shoebox and Pointy Skiff all by Bolger) but Jeff does some interesting things in plywood and HC may be to your liking.
Hugh recently posted a sailing report in message # 656;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jgbuilders/message/656
It's an amazing boat.
Plenty of kiddy koral space and a dead simple build....
Also, (excuse the parental rant) I second Nels' suggestion of the kiddie PDF's with the floatation flap behind the head and NO floatation on the back, but plenty on the chest -designed to keep a kid floating face up--- plus a crotch strap (I witnessed a child jump into the water from a dock in a standard kids PFD and was shocked as the kid slipped through the thing and sank while the PFD bobbed nicely) and a "lift the kid out of the water" type strap sewn into the thing, and a chest loop for a lanyard.... I've also witness a child rescued in heavy seas in one of them - (Idiot parents did not have the lanyard attached). My son lived in one onboard until he outgrew it and we gave it away for the next size up. Once he could easily swim across a big pool when unexpectedly tossed in while wearing full clothing we let him onboard in a regular (but sized to fit) PFD.
Whatever you build and wherever you travel to next, keep us posted....
Later,
Rick Bedard
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Hi,
Storm Petral is a very small boat for using with a family, or even
with one other loving person. You can do a lot of good sailing and
cruising in a small craft with kids but each person should have a
reasonable place to sit. The boat needs to be able to carry a growing
family, kids are small now but they grow.....Kids need to be able to
move around at least a little.
Part of your consideration is where you expect to sail. Is your main
sailing grounds "big water" or "partially sheltered water"
or "sheltered water"???.
This is your passion and gift to your family, so you don't want to
scare them or have them uncomfortable with the project. Even big
water can be safe and wonderful if you are careful with the weather.
A boat can be a great way to do things as a family or they can be
very devisive. There are a lot of good boats and good designs which
can be really successful with a normal family of 4 or 5. I used a 16
foot row boat for years to take my family of 6 to local island
beaches. This boat was not overloaded with this cargo of perhaps 600
odd lbs in the waters we were traversing. I'd be a little more wary
with the same 6 people now that their combined weight is approaching
1000lbs, but it would still be workable most of the summer.
Unless the building part is of particular interest to you I'd not
recommend it. You can get a very reasonable excuse of a used boat for
less money. I'd also not recommend going too small. the family the
you are introducing to boating will not appreciate being squeezed
onto/into a tiny boat that barely holds them. It does not have to be
really big, but not too small. A Wayfarer dinghy or other modest
sailing dinghy ( not the high performance ones)will manage ok.
Think about what you are really trying to do, what your priorities
are. choose a boat that fits that. Do not choose a boat you like and
try to fit your requirements to it. It's almost like getting a two
seater Porsh for a family car because its 'hot'.
JG
Storm Petral is a very small boat for using with a family, or even
with one other loving person. You can do a lot of good sailing and
cruising in a small craft with kids but each person should have a
reasonable place to sit. The boat needs to be able to carry a growing
family, kids are small now but they grow.....Kids need to be able to
move around at least a little.
Part of your consideration is where you expect to sail. Is your main
sailing grounds "big water" or "partially sheltered water"
or "sheltered water"???.
This is your passion and gift to your family, so you don't want to
scare them or have them uncomfortable with the project. Even big
water can be safe and wonderful if you are careful with the weather.
A boat can be a great way to do things as a family or they can be
very devisive. There are a lot of good boats and good designs which
can be really successful with a normal family of 4 or 5. I used a 16
foot row boat for years to take my family of 6 to local island
beaches. This boat was not overloaded with this cargo of perhaps 600
odd lbs in the waters we were traversing. I'd be a little more wary
with the same 6 people now that their combined weight is approaching
1000lbs, but it would still be workable most of the summer.
Unless the building part is of particular interest to you I'd not
recommend it. You can get a very reasonable excuse of a used boat for
less money. I'd also not recommend going too small. the family the
you are introducing to boating will not appreciate being squeezed
onto/into a tiny boat that barely holds them. It does not have to be
really big, but not too small. A Wayfarer dinghy or other modest
sailing dinghy ( not the high performance ones)will manage ok.
Think about what you are really trying to do, what your priorities
are. choose a boat that fits that. Do not choose a boat you like and
try to fit your requirements to it. It's almost like getting a two
seater Porsh for a family car because its 'hot'.
JG
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
> <owlnmole@> wrote:
> >
> > I am still leaning towards Storm Petrel as most everything else I
> > look at seems like it would take substantially more time and
money.
> >
> > Any more ideas on railings, lifelines, tethers, etc. for dinghy
> > sailing with little kids?
> >
> > Also, anyone know of any articles, online tools or anything else
> to
> > help put together a DIY rail system?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> My personal experince with small kids was canoeing and I made
> certain that they had proper life vests. Ones with the collars
> behind the head? Then made certain they always wore them properly
> fastened. First tests was tossing them overboard. After awhile my
> youngest preferred to float down the rapids rather than run them in
> the canoe:-)
>
> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
certain that they had proper life vests. Ones with the collars
behind the head? Then made certain they always wore them properly
fastened. First tests was tossing them overboard. After awhile my
youngest preferred to float down the rapids rather than run them in
the canoe:-)
Nels
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
>to
> I am still leaning towards Storm Petrel as most everything else I
> look at seems like it would take substantially more time and money.
>
> Any more ideas on railings, lifelines, tethers, etc. for dinghy
> sailing with little kids?
>
> Also, anyone know of any articles, online tools or anything else
> help put together a DIY rail system?My personal experince with small kids was canoeing and I made
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthew
>
certain that they had proper life vests. Ones with the collars
behind the head? Then made certain they always wore them properly
fastened. First tests was tossing them overboard. After awhile my
youngest preferred to float down the rapids rather than run them in
the canoe:-)
Nels
I am still leaning towards Storm Petrel as most everything else I
look at seems like it would take substantially more time and money.
Any more ideas on railings, lifelines, tethers, etc. for dinghy
sailing with little kids?
Also, anyone know of any articles, online tools or anything else to
help put together a DIY rail system?
Thanks!
Matthew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
look at seems like it would take substantially more time and money.
Any more ideas on railings, lifelines, tethers, etc. for dinghy
sailing with little kids?
Also, anyone know of any articles, online tools or anything else to
help put together a DIY rail system?
Thanks!
Matthew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
>rails or lifelines -- or
> As a follow up to my last post, anyone have any suggestions on
> leashes? ;-) -- to help corral the kids if I do decide to go withStorm Petrel?
>
> SP is still the frontrunner as I've always like that design.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthew
>
As a follow up to my last post, anyone have any suggestions on rails or lifelines -- or
leashes? ;-) -- to help corral the kids if I do decide to go with Storm Petrel?
SP is still the frontrunner as I've always like that design.
Thanks!
Matthew
leashes? ;-) -- to help corral the kids if I do decide to go with Storm Petrel?
SP is still the frontrunner as I've always like that design.
Thanks!
Matthew