Re: Another kind of motorsailer
Good suggestion. I was looking at Electron as a displacement cruiser
but Jim does suggest she'd be a possible motorsailor. It'd be
relatively fast to build, more suitable to rougher water and a good
size for a family of four.
Bryant
but Jim does suggest she'd be a possible motorsailor. It'd be
relatively fast to build, more suitable to rougher water and a good
size for a family of four.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
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> Another option might be Electron but it is considerably larger.
>
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/electron/index.htm
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> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
motorsailing. The first is Dani Jay which is primarily a motor
launch with an optional sail plan. He wrote an extensive series of
essays in his newsletters on it's development, which is a useful
primer in boat design.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/dani_jay/index.htm
The other one is called Twister.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/twister/index.htm
The disadvantage of a flat-bottomed sailboat is that they pound
badly when motoring in an upright position into a chop. Both these
designs get around that problem with a vee-entry in the bow.
I was looking at such a design for use on a river in order to go
upstream and still be able to sail when I get to the lake.
I really like the looks of Dany Jay but not that crazy about the
motorwell for sailing. I have the Twister plans and the little
cartoon shown in the link does not really do the design justice.
An advantage of either design is you can get out on the water
without having to build all the sailing bits.
Another option might be Electron but it is considerably larger.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/electron/index.htm
Nels
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
> My wife says she wants a sailboat, but have a sneaking suspicionthat once we get out on
> the water she will miss the ability to head home quickly when thekids tire out, so I am
> casting about for a good small motor/sail combo. So far, the bestI have found is Bolger's
> Storm Petrel, which I have always liked, but it's not very securefor boating with a passel of
> kids.Michalak has two boats that are specifically designed for
motorsailing. The first is Dani Jay which is primarily a motor
launch with an optional sail plan. He wrote an extensive series of
essays in his newsletters on it's development, which is a useful
primer in boat design.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/dani_jay/index.htm
The other one is called Twister.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/twister/index.htm
The disadvantage of a flat-bottomed sailboat is that they pound
badly when motoring in an upright position into a chop. Both these
designs get around that problem with a vee-entry in the bow.
I was looking at such a design for use on a river in order to go
upstream and still be able to sail when I get to the lake.
I really like the looks of Dany Jay but not that crazy about the
motorwell for sailing. I have the Twister plans and the little
cartoon shown in the link does not really do the design justice.
An advantage of either design is you can get out on the water
without having to build all the sailing bits.
Another option might be Electron but it is considerably larger.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/electron/index.htm
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
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with a cuddyhttp://209.193.28.16/Boats/sailflat/jonsail.htm;-)
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
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> quick building and resale value<snip, snip>
> will be leaving two more years.
> wants a sailboat, but home quickly
> casting about for a good small motor/sail combo.
> very secure for boating with a passel of kids.
> and add a sail, rudder and leeboard?<snip,snip>
> Perhaps something boomless to save a spar, maybe a standing lug or
> an old-fashioned spritsail to keeps the spars short?
> Admittedly,the sailing performance won't be spectacular, but itTry this. Really, not on a jon boat but something more substantial
> could still be fun, with the option of motoring back in if the
> weather turns or the kids get tired. Alternatively, it's a way
> to get home if the motor conks out or the gas runs out.Thoughts?
with a cuddyhttp://209.193.28.16/Boats/sailflat/jonsail.htm;-)
As you all know, I am still looking at designs to build for use on the Mediterranean coast
of Tunisia with my family of five (me, wife and three little kids). I have built a few small
boats before, but quick building and resale value are key becaues I know we will be leaving
for our next stop around the world in about two more years.
My wife says she wants a sailboat, but have a sneaking suspicion that once we get out on
the water she will miss the ability to head home quickly when the kids tire out, so I am
casting about for a good small motor/sail combo. So far, the best I have found is Bolger's
Storm Petrel, which I have always liked, but it's not very secure for boating with a passel of
kids.
So, here's an idea. Jim Michalak's AF4 (in all three sizes) is derived from the early AF sail
designs. Why not build an AF4 and add a sail, rudder and leeboard? Perhaps something
boomless to save a spar, maybe a standing lug or an old-fashioned spritsail to keeps the
spars short?
Admittedly, the sailing performance won't be spectacular, but it could still be fun, with the
option of motoring back in if the weather turns or the kids get tired. Alternatively, it's a
way to get home if the motor conks out or the gas runs out.
I know this is not a new idea -- PCB has several such designs -- but none, I think, as
easy, simple and fast to build as a motorsailer version of AF4.
Thoughts?
of Tunisia with my family of five (me, wife and three little kids). I have built a few small
boats before, but quick building and resale value are key becaues I know we will be leaving
for our next stop around the world in about two more years.
My wife says she wants a sailboat, but have a sneaking suspicion that once we get out on
the water she will miss the ability to head home quickly when the kids tire out, so I am
casting about for a good small motor/sail combo. So far, the best I have found is Bolger's
Storm Petrel, which I have always liked, but it's not very secure for boating with a passel of
kids.
So, here's an idea. Jim Michalak's AF4 (in all three sizes) is derived from the early AF sail
designs. Why not build an AF4 and add a sail, rudder and leeboard? Perhaps something
boomless to save a spar, maybe a standing lug or an old-fashioned spritsail to keeps the
spars short?
Admittedly, the sailing performance won't be spectacular, but it could still be fun, with the
option of motoring back in if the weather turns or the kids get tired. Alternatively, it's a
way to get home if the motor conks out or the gas runs out.
I know this is not a new idea -- PCB has several such designs -- but none, I think, as
easy, simple and fast to build as a motorsailer version of AF4.
Thoughts?