[bolger] Re: The Vault&Light Scooner
David Ryan wrote:
<snip>
Speaking of the light scooner, I was surfing with the fellow who
first sent me looking for Mr. Bolger and Mr. Payson. He had heard
from a friend that the light scooner doesn't tack well, but also
doubted this friend's credibility. How 'bout it scooner sailors, how
does her bow come through the wind?
-------
The LS tacks faster than any boat we've come up against, but there's a
knack to it. How to do it is detailed in the Sailing Tips on
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
Tim Fatchen
<snip>
Speaking of the light scooner, I was surfing with the fellow who
first sent me looking for Mr. Bolger and Mr. Payson. He had heard
from a friend that the light scooner doesn't tack well, but also
doubted this friend's credibility. How 'bout it scooner sailors, how
does her bow come through the wind?
-------
The LS tacks faster than any boat we've come up against, but there's a
knack to it. How to do it is detailed in the Sailing Tips on
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
Tim Fatchen
> Now I'm really confused. Are we talking all Bolger Boats or just thetoward
> schooner? On the Oldshoe plans, the point of the angle always goes
> the plywood side of the bulkhead (said another way, the plywood sideof the
> frame is always the widest side). This holds true for both thebottom angle
> as well as the angle where the bulkhead meets the side. However,some
> bulkheads are installed ply side forward, some are installed framingside
> forward. This would make Payson's diagram 180 degrees out of phase.I have
> cut my frames, heald them up to the drawing and everything seems OK.What
> do you think? -WarrenWarren,
Sorry to confuse you. If it's an Oldshoe you're building, I don't have
the plans so I can't comment on them. Only thing I'll say is what PCB
said to the effect "airplanes have to be built to the last decimal
place. All I ask in a boat is that the lines are fair."
In "Build the New Instant Boats" Payson says to bevel the components
individually and then assemble or the work will be too small. He gives
a pictorial example that is very helpful.
individually and then assemble or the work will be too small. He gives
a pictorial example that is very helpful.
In a message dated 99-10-25 03:31:46 EDT, you write:
<< opefully I am not beating your dead horse here... but Payson's page 42
diagram makes perfect sense to me. He's trying to point out that in
those boats the angles are measured from the larger size of the
plywood. As long as the angle "points to" a frame piece on the other
side, all is fine, but if the frame is on the wide side of the angle
things go awry unless something is done. His way of cutting the angles
seperate then joining them is but one suggestion.
On my lates attempt to build the Catfish, I've installed frames pushed
off 3/8" from the edge of the ply's edge to allow for the angle. I'll
whack that off later, possibly on the building jig this spring when I
bring it all together. I just want to check that the angles agree with
a fairing batton.
(The plans call for tack and tape frameless bulkheads... I'm just
chicken and want some frame there, though I'll leave the chines true
T&T.)
schooner? On the Oldshoe plans, the point of the angle always goes toward
the plywood side of the bulkhead (said another way, the plywood side of the
frame is always the widest side). This holds true for both the bottom angle
as well as the angle where the bulkhead meets the side. However, some
bulkheads are installed ply side forward, some are installed framing side
forward. This would make Payson's diagram 180 degrees out of phase. I have
cut my frames, heald them up to the drawing and everything seems OK. What
do you think? -Warren
<< opefully I am not beating your dead horse here... but Payson's page 42
diagram makes perfect sense to me. He's trying to point out that in
those boats the angles are measured from the larger size of the
plywood. As long as the angle "points to" a frame piece on the other
side, all is fine, but if the frame is on the wide side of the angle
things go awry unless something is done. His way of cutting the angles
seperate then joining them is but one suggestion.
On my lates attempt to build the Catfish, I've installed frames pushed
off 3/8" from the edge of the ply's edge to allow for the angle. I'll
whack that off later, possibly on the building jig this spring when I
bring it all together. I just want to check that the angles agree with
a fairing batton.
(The plans call for tack and tape frameless bulkheads... I'm just
chicken and want some frame there, though I'll leave the chines true
T&T.)
>>Now I'm really confused. Are we talking all Bolger Boats or just the
schooner? On the Oldshoe plans, the point of the angle always goes toward
the plywood side of the bulkhead (said another way, the plywood side of the
frame is always the widest side). This holds true for both the bottom angle
as well as the angle where the bulkhead meets the side. However, some
bulkheads are installed ply side forward, some are installed framing side
forward. This would make Payson's diagram 180 degrees out of phase. I have
cut my frames, heald them up to the drawing and everything seems OK. What
do you think? -Warren
> Bill - I agree totally with you. I never understood completely whatgiuseppe and William,
> Dynamite's remark was really for.
Hopefully I am not beating your dead horse here... but Payson's page 42
diagram makes perfect sense to me. He's trying to point out that in
those boats the angles are measured from the larger size of the
plywood. As long as the angle "points to" a frame piece on the other
side, all is fine, but if the frame is on the wide side of the angle
things go awry unless something is done. His way of cutting the angles
seperate then joining them is but one suggestion.
On my lates attempt to build the Catfish, I've installed frames pushed
off 3/8" from the edge of the ply's edge to allow for the angle. I'll
whack that off later, possibly on the building jig this spring when I
bring it all together. I just want to check that the angles agree with
a fairing batton.
(The plans call for tack and tape frameless bulkheads... I'm just
chicken and want some frame there, though I'll leave the chines true
T&T.)
Enjoy
No, the Light Scooner tacks and handles very well. The rudder is large and
far from the centerboard, and the mainsail and jib can be trimmed to great
affect on balance. It might not tack like a 470, but it handles lots
better than Micro's, catamarans, etc.
Gregg
far from the centerboard, and the mainsail and jib can be trimmed to great
affect on balance. It might not tack like a 470, but it handles lots
better than Micro's, catamarans, etc.
Gregg
>Speaking of the light scooner, I was surfing with the fellow who
>first sent me looking for Mr. Bolger and Mr. Payson. He had heard
>from a friend that the light scooner doesn't tack well, but also
>doubted this friend's credibility. How 'bout it scooner sailors, how
>does her bow come through the wind?
Dear David:
(http://space.tin.it/io/jfwbi/micro.html)!
Cheers, Pippo
> I've also been ready "Chebacco News" and have become convinced thatYes, he definitely will, as my two sons (age: 6 and 1)!
> my soon to arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
> spends a lot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
> well-mannered cruiser of my own construction.
> I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have alsoVisit my webpage and try to guess the design I love most
> heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound interesting,
> but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer and
> schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
(http://space.tin.it/io/jfwbi/micro.html)!
Cheers, Pippo
Fellow Bolger Boat Builders --
My wife and I made a stop at the vault, where we found diagrams of
the cabin equipped schooner. As I scrolled through the plans, I
offered "There's only one problem with her..."
"Yeah, it looks like an R.V." came her response before I could continue.
Bear in mind, my wife is positively IN LOVE with the light scooner
(as am I), as well as slightly horrified by my dreams of building a
boat and sailing away in it. So I'm sure the cabin schooner bothers
her on many levels.
Speaking of the light scooner, I was surfing with the fellow who
first sent me looking for Mr. Bolger and Mr. Payson. He had heard
from a friend that the light scooner doesn't tack well, but also
doubted this friend's credibility. How 'bout it scooner sailors, how
does her bow come through the wind?
Yours in boat building,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
My wife and I made a stop at the vault, where we found diagrams of
the cabin equipped schooner. As I scrolled through the plans, I
offered "There's only one problem with her..."
"Yeah, it looks like an R.V." came her response before I could continue.
Bear in mind, my wife is positively IN LOVE with the light scooner
(as am I), as well as slightly horrified by my dreams of building a
boat and sailing away in it. So I'm sure the cabin schooner bothers
her on many levels.
Speaking of the light scooner, I was surfing with the fellow who
first sent me looking for Mr. Bolger and Mr. Payson. He had heard
from a friend that the light scooner doesn't tack well, but also
doubted this friend's credibility. How 'bout it scooner sailors, how
does her bow come through the wind?
Yours in boat building,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Bill - I agree totally with you. I never understood completely what
Dynamite's remark was really for.
Actually my circular saw allows only to angle the cuts in (is that
always true?).
A little problem could rise though, depending on which face of the
bulkheads the dimensions are referred to (I mean, the one which is
framed or the one which is plywood only). I haven't done it yet, but
imagine that cutting on the framing wood could be more difficult than
cutting on plain plywood.
Since I'm here, a little warning to everybody who changes scantlings: if
one uses thicker plywood w.r.t. the one drawn on the plans, some
bulkhead dimensions could be a little different. As an example, the
Micro bow transom bulkhead's dimensions are referred to the inner (i.e.,
wider) face of the bulkhead. Now, the bevels there are quite
considerable (more than 20 degrees) so, going from 1/4" to 3/8" plywood,
the inner face of the bulkhead will be wider than the dimension given on
the plans (by more than 1/8" for that particular piece). I'll argument
more on this, giving a trivial trigonometric formula, on my Micro web
site.
Finally, Jim Michalak has treated this argument on one of his last
essays.
Best, Pippo
Dynamite's remark was really for.
Actually my circular saw allows only to angle the cuts in (is that
always true?).
A little problem could rise though, depending on which face of the
bulkheads the dimensions are referred to (I mean, the one which is
framed or the one which is plywood only). I haven't done it yet, but
imagine that cutting on the framing wood could be more difficult than
cutting on plain plywood.
Since I'm here, a little warning to everybody who changes scantlings: if
one uses thicker plywood w.r.t. the one drawn on the plans, some
bulkhead dimensions could be a little different. As an example, the
Micro bow transom bulkhead's dimensions are referred to the inner (i.e.,
wider) face of the bulkhead. Now, the bevels there are quite
considerable (more than 20 degrees) so, going from 1/4" to 3/8" plywood,
the inner face of the bulkhead will be wider than the dimension given on
the plans (by more than 1/8" for that particular piece). I'll argument
more on this, giving a trivial trigonometric formula, on my Micro web
site.
Finally, Jim Michalak has treated this argument on one of his last
essays.
Best, Pippo
> "William D> Jochems" ha scritto:
>
> Dear David,
> Yes, as long as you were angling in (towards the center of the
> bulkhead) from Bolger's dimension; and don't look at the picture in
> the upper left hand corner of page 42 of Payson's BUILD THE NEW
> INSTANT BOATS. I think Payson's idea is needlessly confusing.
> Bill Jochems
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ryan <david@...>
> To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:01 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>
> >Bill --
> >
> >So if I am following you, I could build my bulkhead 1/2 inch
> >oversized with the correct size bulkhead inscribed. Then run my
> >skillsaw along the line with the correct angle?
> >
> >Sound like a plan?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dear Bolgeristas,
> >> I always assembled the bulkheads slightly oversize and then cut
> >>the bevel; but I did not know if Bolger's bulkhead dimensions were
> >>to be those of the large or the small side of the completed
> >>bulkhead. I posed the question to Bolger who replied as follows:
> >>"The bulkhead dimensions given are before bevelling. We've added a
> >>note to that effect which will show on the next set of prints. They
> >>should be made up to the given dimensions and the bevel taken off
> >>from the very edge. The usual caveat about being alert for misprints
>
> >>and mismeasurements by either us or you applies. One check is that
> >>they should all have the same side flare angle; that is, laid down
> >>in a pile with the bottoms parallel, the sides should all be
> >>parallel."
> >>Bill Jochems
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: David Ryan
> <<mailto:david@...>david@...>
> >>To: <mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com
> >><<mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com>
> >>Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:00 AM
> >>Subject: [bolger] Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
> >>
> >> >Fellow Bolger Boat Builders --
> >> >
> >> >First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still warm,
> but
> >> >the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperatures actually
> might
> >> >mean something today, and it's more than likely to stay that way
> for
> >> >while.
> >> >
> >> >Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter. She's still on the
> >> >dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; and there may yet
> be
> >> >a few days of fine sailing before it's cold for real.
> >> >
> >> >On the building front, I'm resigned to not being able to do much
> on
> >> >the scooner but build her bulkheads in my kitchen and wait for
> Spring
> >> >to do much more. I'm curious how those of you who've tackled
> bevelled
> >> >bulkheads handled the bevelling. Did you build them a little big,
> >> >glue on the framing, and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels on
> >> >the individual components, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
> >> >stories appreciated.
> >> >
> >> >I've also been ready "Chebacco News" and have become convinced
> that
> >> >my soon to arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
> >> >spends a lot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
> >> >well-mannered cruiser of my own construction.
> >> >
> >> >I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have also
> >> >heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound
> interesting,
> >> >but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer and
> >> >schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
> >> >
> >> >Yours in boat building,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >David Ryan
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David,
The directions to the Vault are quite simple... look to the top of
this window, 2nd from the right... says "vault." Click it.
As far as the club with the same name goes... which end of the
flogger will we find you? Just kiddin <s>
Enjoy
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=540
The directions to the Vault are quite simple... look to the top of
this window, 2nd from the right... says "vault." Click it.
As far as the club with the same name goes... which end of the
flogger will we find you? Just kiddin <s>
Enjoy
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=540
> >David,"William D
> >You can see a picture of bevelled framing in the vault under
>
> The only "vault" I know of is the frequently opening, closing and
> changing locations S&M club in NYC. I don't think they do any boat
> building there. What is the URL for this other "vault"?
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
>David,The only "vault" I know of is the frequently opening, closing and
>You can see a picture of bevelled framing in the vault under "William D
changing locations S&M club in NYC. I don't think they do any boat
building there. What is the URL for this other "vault"?
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Dear David,
Yes,
as long as you were angling in (towards the center of the bulkhead) from
Bolger's dimension; and don't look at the picture in the upper left hand corner
of page 42 of Payson's BUILD THE NEW INSTANT BOATS. I think Payson's idea
is needlessly confusing.
Bill
Jochems
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>Bill --From: David Ryan <david@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>
>So if I am following you, I could build my bulkhead 1/2 inch
>oversized with the correct sizebulkhead inscribed. Then run my
>skillsaw along the line with the correctangle?
>Bolgeristas,
>Sound like a plan?
>
>
>
>>Dear
>> I always assembled the bulkheadsslightly oversize and then cut
>>the bevel; but I did not know ifBolger's bulkhead dimensions were
>>to be those of the large or thesmall side of the completed
>>bulkhead. I posed the question toBolger who replied as follows:
>>"The bulkhead dimensions givenare before bevelling. We've added a
>>note to that effect which willshow on the next set of prints. They
>>should be made up to the givendimensions and the bevel taken off
>>from the very edge. The usualcaveat about being alert for misprints
>>and mismeasurements by eitherus or you applies. One check is that
>>they should all have the sameside flare angle; that is, laid down
>>in a pile with the bottomsparallel, the sides should all be
>>parallel."Jochems
>>Bill
>>-----Original Message-----<<mailto:david@...>david@...>
>>From: David Ryan
>>To:<mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com
>><<href="mailto:bolger@egroups.com">mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com>
>>Date:Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:00 AM
>>Subject: [bolger] Bulkheads/FamilyCruiser
>>warm, but
>> >Fellow Bolger Boat Builders --
>> >
>> >First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still
>> >the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperaturesactually might
>> >mean something today, and it's more than likelyto stay that way for
>> >while.be
>> >
>> >Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter. She's still on the
>> >dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; and there may yet
>> >a few days of fine sailing before it's cold forreal.
>> >not being able to do much on
>> >On the building front, I'm resigned to
>> >the scooner but build her bulkheadsin my kitchen and wait for Spring
>> >to do much more. I'm curioushow those of you who've tackled bevelled
>> >bulkheads handled thebevelling. Did you build them a little big,
>> >glue on the framing,and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels on
>> >the individualcomponents, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
>> >storiesappreciated.
>> >"Chebacco News" and have become convinced that
>> >I've also been ready
>> >my soonto arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
>> >spends alot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
>> >well-manneredcruiser of my own construction.
>> >the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have also
>> >I've looked at
>> >heardreference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound interesting,
>> >but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer andCulture
>> >schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
>> >
>> >Yours in boat building,
>> >
>> >
>> >David Ryan
>> >Minister of Information and
>> >Crumbling Empire Productions247-0296
>> >(212)
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Bill --
So if I am following you, I could build my bulkhead 1/2 inch
oversized with the correct size bulkhead inscribed. Then run my
skillsaw along the line with the correct angle?
Sound like a plan?
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
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So if I am following you, I could build my bulkhead 1/2 inch
oversized with the correct size bulkhead inscribed. Then run my
skillsaw along the line with the correct angle?
Sound like a plan?
>Dear Bolgeristas,David Ryan
> I always assembled the bulkheads slightly oversize and then cut
>the bevel; but I did not know if Bolger's bulkhead dimensions were
>to be those of the large or the small side of the completed
>bulkhead. I posed the question to Bolger who replied as follows:
>"The bulkhead dimensions given are before bevelling. We've added a
>note to that effect which will show on the next set of prints. They
>should be made up to the given dimensions and the bevel taken off
>from the very edge. The usual caveat about being alert for misprints
>and mismeasurements by either us or you applies. One check is that
>they should all have the same side flare angle; that is, laid down
>in a pile with the bottoms parallel, the sides should all be
>parallel."
>Bill Jochems
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Ryan <<mailto:david@...>david@...>
>To: <mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com
><<mailto:bolger@egroups.com>bolger@egroups.com>
>Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:00 AM
>Subject: [bolger] Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>
> >Fellow Bolger Boat Builders --
> >
> >First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still warm, but
> >the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperatures actually might
> >mean something today, and it's more than likely to stay that way for
> >while.
> >
> >Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter. She's still on the
> >dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; and there may yet be
> >a few days of fine sailing before it's cold for real.
> >
> >On the building front, I'm resigned to not being able to do much on
> >the scooner but build her bulkheads in my kitchen and wait for Spring
> >to do much more. I'm curious how those of you who've tackled bevelled
> >bulkheads handled the bevelling. Did you build them a little big,
> >glue on the framing, and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels on
> >the individual components, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
> >stories appreciated.
> >
> >I've also been ready "Chebacco News" and have become convinced that
> >my soon to arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
> >spends a lot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
> >well-mannered cruiser of my own construction.
> >
> >I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have also
> >heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound interesting,
> >but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer and
> >schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
> >
> >Yours in boat building,
> >
> >
> >David Ryan
> >Minister of Information and Culture
> >Crumbling Empire Productions
> >(212) 247-0296
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Dear Bolgeristas,
I always assembled
the bulkheads slightly oversize and then cut the bevel; but I did not know if
Bolger's bulkhead dimensions were to be those of the large or the small side of
the completed bulkhead. I posed the question to Bolger who replied as
follows: "The bulkhead dimensions given are before bevelling. We've added a
note to that effect which will show on the next set of prints. They should be
made up to the given dimensions and the bevel taken off from the very edge. The
usual caveat about being alert for misprints and mismeasurements by either us or
you applies. One check is that they should all have the same side flare angle;
that is, laid down in a pile with the bottoms parallel, the sides should all be
parallel."
Bill
Jochems
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From: David Ryan <david@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:00 AM
Subject: [bolger] Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>Fellow Bolger Boat Builders
--From: David Ryan <david@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com<bolger@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:00 AM
Subject: [bolger] Bulkheads/Family Cruiser
>warm, but
>First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still
>the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperatures actuallymight
>mean something today, and it's more than likely to stay that wayfor
>while.She's still on the
>
>Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter.
>dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; andthere may yet be
>a few days of fine sailing before it's cold forreal.
>much on
>On the building front, I'm resigned to not being able to do
>the scooner but build her bulkheads in my kitchen and wait forSpring
>to do much more. I'm curious how those of you who've tackledbevelled
>bulkheads handled the bevelling. Did you build them a littlebig,
>glue on the framing, and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels onNews" and have become convinced that
>the individual components, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
>stories appreciated.
>
>I've also been ready "Chebacco
>my soon to arrive baby willgrow up happier and healthier if it
>spends a lot of time sailing aroundwith me on some sort of
>well-mannered cruiser of my ownconstruction.
>but have also
>I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer,
>heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All soundinteresting,
>but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmerand
>schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (orhates.)
>Ryan
>Yours in boat building,
>
>
>David
>Minister of Information and CultureProductions
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David,
You can see a picture of bevelled framing in the vault under "William D Jochems". The bulkheads are 1/2 ply and the framing scrap 3/4 ply. There was some concern using ply (and I don't mean Ocoume quality 7 ply sheets, but the cheapest lauan plywood I could find) instead of lumber. I used 1 1/2 '' dry wall screws and had no problems attaching the sidepanels to the bulkheads.
I used my circular saw to cut the bevels as I sliced the 3/4 inch plywood for framing. By a mistake I made straight cuts for the bulkheads and had to bevel the sides with a hand plane (no big job). I glued the framing to the bulkhead after both items had been bevelled.
I suppose you mean the William D Jochems by "Family Schooner". As far as I know only the prototype has been built (by Bill Jochems). I am building no 2 and you can follow my progress in the vault. (I will in a few weeks upload the pictures to my own web site).
Bjorn
You can see a picture of bevelled framing in the vault under "William D Jochems". The bulkheads are 1/2 ply and the framing scrap 3/4 ply. There was some concern using ply (and I don't mean Ocoume quality 7 ply sheets, but the cheapest lauan plywood I could find) instead of lumber. I used 1 1/2 '' dry wall screws and had no problems attaching the sidepanels to the bulkheads.
I used my circular saw to cut the bevels as I sliced the 3/4 inch plywood for framing. By a mistake I made straight cuts for the bulkheads and had to bevel the sides with a hand plane (no big job). I glued the framing to the bulkhead after both items had been bevelled.
I suppose you mean the William D Jochems by "Family Schooner". As far as I know only the prototype has been built (by Bill Jochems). I am building no 2 and you can follow my progress in the vault. (I will in a few weeks upload the pictures to my own web site).
Bjorn
Fellow Bolger Boat Builders --
First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still warm, but
the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperatures actually might
mean something today, and it's more than likely to stay that way for
while.
Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter. She's still on the
dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; and there may yet be
a few days of fine sailing before it's cold for real.
On the building front, I'm resigned to not being able to do much on
the scooner but build her bulkheads in my kitchen and wait for Spring
to do much more. I'm curious how those of you who've tackled bevelled
bulkheads handled the bevelling. Did you build them a little big,
glue on the framing, and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels on
the individual components, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
stories appreciated.
I've also been ready "Chebacco News" and have become convinced that
my soon to arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
spends a lot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
well-mannered cruiser of my own construction.
I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have also
heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound interesting,
but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer and
schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
Yours in boat building,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
First frost has come and gone in Montauk. The water's still warm, but
the air is crisp and clear. Epoxy curing temperatures actually might
mean something today, and it's more than likely to stay that way for
while.
Lil'winnie hasn't been put up for the winter. She's still on the
dune, waiting for the bass and blues to show up; and there may yet be
a few days of fine sailing before it's cold for real.
On the building front, I'm resigned to not being able to do much on
the scooner but build her bulkheads in my kitchen and wait for Spring
to do much more. I'm curious how those of you who've tackled bevelled
bulkheads handled the bevelling. Did you build them a little big,
glue on the framing, and then cut the bevels, or cut the bevels on
the individual components, and then glue it up? Any tips or woeful
stories appreciated.
I've also been ready "Chebacco News" and have become convinced that
my soon to arrive baby will grow up happier and healthier if it
spends a lot of time sailing around with me on some sort of
well-mannered cruiser of my own construction.
I've looked at the Chebacco, and the Black Skimmer, but have also
heard reference to a Bolger cruising schooner. All sound interesting,
but I'd love to hear more first hand account of the Skimmer and
schooner, as well as any other designs anyone loves (or hates.)
Yours in boat building,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296