Re: Hawkeye with cabin nextended as on Microtrawler
I can't guess what is in PCB's mind but I do know he was rather
sympathetic to the manipulation of the Hawkeye design and encouraged
the experiment.
The prototype attained 16 mph with an old 25 hp outboard, no
passengers. With two passengers speed still was 15-16 mph. Ultimately
the estimated speed was up to 18 mph. My variant was several hundred
pounds heavier and never attained more that 15 mph with a Honda 25.
Most of the gofast MTs seem to use up to 40 hp. I believe the weight
mostly effected the effort to get up on a plane.
I suspect that the Hawkeye hull shape can handle the top hamper as
well as a stretched MT and would look better and be easier to build.
In retrospect the motor well could very easily be omitted.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
sympathetic to the manipulation of the Hawkeye design and encouraged
the experiment.
The prototype attained 16 mph with an old 25 hp outboard, no
passengers. With two passengers speed still was 15-16 mph. Ultimately
the estimated speed was up to 18 mph. My variant was several hundred
pounds heavier and never attained more that 15 mph with a Honda 25.
Most of the gofast MTs seem to use up to 40 hp. I believe the weight
mostly effected the effort to get up on a plane.
I suspect that the Hawkeye hull shape can handle the top hamper as
well as a stretched MT and would look better and be easier to build.
In retrospect the motor well could very easily be omitted.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> If I can guess, or read PCB's mind, I would guess that he is making
> mental calculations of the weight of the new superstructure, versus
> the buoyancy/planing characteristics of the Hawkeye hull shape.
>
> Another way to see this is that per plans, Hawkeye has very little
> topside weight, and tophamper. Certainly, PCB balanced the below
> water shape to match the topside lightness. If the topside were to
> get heavier, he would need to revise the below waterline shape.
>
If I can guess, or read PCB's mind, I would guess that he is making
mental calculations of the weight of the new superstructure, versus
the buoyancy/planing characteristics of the Hawkeye hull shape.
Another way to see this is that per plans, Hawkeye has very little
topside weight, and tophamper. Certainly, PCB balanced the below
water shape to match the topside lightness. If the topside were to
get heavier, he would need to revise the below waterline shape.
mental calculations of the weight of the new superstructure, versus
the buoyancy/planing characteristics of the Hawkeye hull shape.
Another way to see this is that per plans, Hawkeye has very little
topside weight, and tophamper. Certainly, PCB balanced the below
water shape to match the topside lightness. If the topside were to
get heavier, he would need to revise the below waterline shape.
One sketch using the MT cabin is in the files or photos section of the
Microtrawler site. This sketch does not have the enclosed head and
hanging locker. It is not fully developed, just a sketch.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chamberland" <chamberlands@...> wrote:
Microtrawler site. This sketch does not have the enclosed head and
hanging locker. It is not fully developed, just a sketch.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chamberland" <chamberlands@...> wrote:
>reply
> When I was deciding what to do with my Hawkeye to turn it into a
> cruiser I did several studies one of which was using an extended
> Microtrawler type cabin. It had an enclosed head, hanging locker and
> sitting headroom for the steering station (and maybe even standing
> headroom). Ultimately I did my raised deck variation but I believe the
> MT type cabin can be adapted. It may not have standing headroom
> throughout. My tack was to cut the deck out over the lower hull so the
> center had standing headroom. There are phots of my variant on
> Bolger2. I still have some sketches of the MT cabin version somewhere
> here.
> Bob Chamberland
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All -- A while back we discussed PCB's Hawkeye Trawler with the
> > idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his "Microtrawler" and I was
> > told that Bolger has already done that. I've written Mr Bolger to
> > get the price of a set of plans in this form and just received a
> > where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with full standing
> > headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can have both , but no
> > other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the forward steering
> > station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to accomodate 2
> > bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get some opinions on
> > this and does anyone know where they saw the drawings of Hawkeye with
> > such a setup.
> > Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl.
> >
>
When I was deciding what to do with my Hawkeye to turn it into a
cruiser I did several studies one of which was using an extended
Microtrawler type cabin. It had an enclosed head, hanging locker and
sitting headroom for the steering station (and maybe even standing
headroom). Ultimately I did my raised deck variation but I believe the
MT type cabin can be adapted. It may not have standing headroom
throughout. My tack was to cut the deck out over the lower hull so the
center had standing headroom. There are phots of my variant on
Bolger2. I still have some sketches of the MT cabin version somewhere
here.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
cruiser I did several studies one of which was using an extended
Microtrawler type cabin. It had an enclosed head, hanging locker and
sitting headroom for the steering station (and maybe even standing
headroom). Ultimately I did my raised deck variation but I believe the
MT type cabin can be adapted. It may not have standing headroom
throughout. My tack was to cut the deck out over the lower hull so the
center had standing headroom. There are phots of my variant on
Bolger2. I still have some sketches of the MT cabin version somewhere
here.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn" <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All -- A while back we discussed PCB's Hawkeye Trawler with the
> idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his "Microtrawler" and I was
> told that Bolger has already done that. I've written Mr Bolger to
> get the price of a set of plans in this form and just received a reply
> where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with full standing
> headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can have both , but no
> other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the forward steering
> station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to accomodate 2
> bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get some opinions on
> this and does anyone know where they saw the drawings of Hawkeye with
> such a setup.
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl.
>
For the stretched version of Microtrawler (cut in half and eight feet spliced into the middle, just like the boat you wrote of Krissie) join the Microtrawler group and look in the photo section under "Stretched"
Or try this link;
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/microtrawler/photos/browse/3dd2
Rick
Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
As I remember from the drawings in BWAOM PCB is very
much in the right.
But if you took the Microtrawler and streached it at
the widest point say 4 to 6 feet you would have what
you are looking for. The MT is also wider then the
Hawkeye by 4 to 6 inches I think.
When you do that you just need to keep in mind what
you need to add to the panales in the middle and add a
couple of frames. It would also make the boat a bit
faster for a given HP as well.
I don't know if this has been any help for you, but
it's an idea to mull over.
I saw a BIG steel boat that the bow and aft section
were made one place and the middle of the boat was
made some place else and they just motored the bow and
aft unit to the yard where the middle was and cut is
apart and welded them to the middle.
You see this boat 60 or 70 feet long and 35 feet wide
going down the waterway you know there is something
missing! Yep it ended up being 130 feet I think when
they were all done.
Blessings Krissie
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Rick
Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
As I remember from the drawings in BWAOM PCB is very
much in the right.
But if you took the Microtrawler and streached it at
the widest point say 4 to 6 feet you would have what
you are looking for. The MT is also wider then the
Hawkeye by 4 to 6 inches I think.
When you do that you just need to keep in mind what
you need to add to the panales in the middle and add a
couple of frames. It would also make the boat a bit
faster for a given HP as well.
I don't know if this has been any help for you, but
it's an idea to mull over.
I saw a BIG steel boat that the bow and aft section
were made one place and the middle of the boat was
made some place else and they just motored the bow and
aft unit to the yard where the middle was and cut is
apart and welded them to the middle.
You see this boat 60 or 70 feet long and 35 feet wide
going down the waterway you know there is something
missing! Yep it ended up being 130 feet I think when
they were all done.
Blessings Krissie
--- spoeringjohn <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
> Hi All -- A while back we discussed PCB's Hawkeye__________________________________________________
> Trawler with the
> idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his
> "Microtrawler" and I was
> told that Bolger has already done that. I've
> written Mr Bolger to
> get the price of a set of plans in this form and
> just received a reply
> where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with
> full standing
> headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can
> have both , but no
> other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the
> forward steering
> station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to
> accomodate 2
> bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get
> some opinions on
> this and does anyone know where they saw the
> drawings of Hawkeye with
> such a setup.
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft
> Lauderdale, Fl.
>
>
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As I remember from the drawings in BWAOM PCB is very
much in the right.
But if you took the Microtrawler and streached it at
the widest point say 4 to 6 feet you would have what
you are looking for. The MT is also wider then the
Hawkeye by 4 to 6 inches I think.
When you do that you just need to keep in mind what
you need to add to the panales in the middle and add a
couple of frames. It would also make the boat a bit
faster for a given HP as well.
I don't know if this has been any help for you, but
it's an idea to mull over.
I saw a BIG steel boat that the bow and aft section
were made one place and the middle of the boat was
made some place else and they just motored the bow and
aft unit to the yard where the middle was and cut is
apart and welded them to the middle.
You see this boat 60 or 70 feet long and 35 feet wide
going down the waterway you know there is something
missing! Yep it ended up being 130 feet I think when
they were all done.
Blessings Krissie
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much in the right.
But if you took the Microtrawler and streached it at
the widest point say 4 to 6 feet you would have what
you are looking for. The MT is also wider then the
Hawkeye by 4 to 6 inches I think.
When you do that you just need to keep in mind what
you need to add to the panales in the middle and add a
couple of frames. It would also make the boat a bit
faster for a given HP as well.
I don't know if this has been any help for you, but
it's an idea to mull over.
I saw a BIG steel boat that the bow and aft section
were made one place and the middle of the boat was
made some place else and they just motored the bow and
aft unit to the yard where the middle was and cut is
apart and welded them to the middle.
You see this boat 60 or 70 feet long and 35 feet wide
going down the waterway you know there is something
missing! Yep it ended up being 130 feet I think when
they were all done.
Blessings Krissie
--- spoeringjohn <barbaraspoering@...>
wrote:
> Hi All -- A while back we discussed PCB's Hawkeye__________________________________________________
> Trawler with the
> idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his
> "Microtrawler" and I was
> told that Bolger has already done that. I've
> written Mr Bolger to
> get the price of a set of plans in this form and
> just received a reply
> where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with
> full standing
> headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can
> have both , but no
> other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the
> forward steering
> station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to
> accomodate 2
> bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get
> some opinions on
> this and does anyone know where they saw the
> drawings of Hawkeye with
> such a setup.
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft
> Lauderdale, Fl.
>
>
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Hi All -- A while back we discussed PCB's Hawkeye Trawler with the
idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his "Microtrawler" and I was
told that Bolger has already done that. I've written Mr Bolger to
get the price of a set of plans in this form and just received a reply
where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with full standing
headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can have both , but no
other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the forward steering
station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to accomodate 2
bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get some opinions on
this and does anyone know where they saw the drawings of Hawkeye with
such a setup.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl.
idea of giving it a longer cabin as on his "Microtrawler" and I was
told that Bolger has already done that. I've written Mr Bolger to
get the price of a set of plans in this form and just received a reply
where he states that Hawkeye, "cannot be built with full standing
headroom or an enclosed head; or (Garbled) it can have both , but no
other cabin". What I wanted to do is keep the forward steering
station but widen the aft cabin and extend it aft to accomodate 2
bunks a head and a very small galley. Can we get some opinions on
this and does anyone know where they saw the drawings of Hawkeye with
such a setup.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl.