Re: Looking for the right boat
Correction...
Jon
> The closest design to your specification appears to me to be PaulMake that close to one year of full time effort.
> Gartside's Itchen Ferry Cutter #101.
>http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#itchen
> The estimated building time is close to two years of full time work.
Jon
Hi Ben,
The closest design to your specification appears to me to be Paul
Gartside's Itchen Ferry Cutter #101.
http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#itchen
The estimated building time is close to two years of full time work.
Gartside's Surprise II, #131 is only two feet longer than your
specs, and consumes another 700 hours of building time by the
designer's estimate.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> I'm new to the group but I've been sailing for a number of years.cabin space
> I'm looking for that "perfect" boat just like many others. I was
> hoping that some of you familiar with Bolgers designs (so many!)
> might be able to help. Here's what I'm looking for,
>
> around 20 feet
> round bilge type
> square stern and plumb bow
> gaff cutter (and of course the topsail)
> comfortable for two - of course deck space is more important than
> small inboard dieselGreatlakes region and the Caribbean
> really like the lapstrake look, clinker or ply
> offshore capable - she will divide her time between the
> trailerable - displacement doesn't bother me, I have the vehicleand experience to move heavy loads
The closest design to your specification appears to me to be Paul
Gartside's Itchen Ferry Cutter #101.
http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#itchen
The estimated building time is close to two years of full time work.
Gartside's Surprise II, #131 is only two feet longer than your
specs, and consumes another 700 hours of building time by the
designer's estimate.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Anderson" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
is also cutter rigged. But it is so tiny inside that the builder
(David Hume) was selling it last I heard. But he even wrote a book
about it!
Blueberry: A Boat of the Connecticut Shoreline (Hardcover) out of
print but available 2nd hand at Amazon.
Also look in "Boats With An Open Mind" for a write up and also
consider one of the cover girls "Bright Thread" which is really a
beautiful boat. Strip planked cat yawl. Both have inboard diesels. And
also look at Red Zinger.
But to find a topsail cutter rig - not much hope with Bolger - as he
specializes more or less in Sharpies with simple rigs, unstayed masts,
and few strings. That type of rig you are after, is usually found on
heavy displacement boats that are deep keeled and not really
trailerable. Unless you go to British designs that have bilge keels
which are a bit easier.
You might look at Selway-Fisher designs:
http://www.selway-fisher.com/Yacht2024.htm
Or Jay Benford:
http://www.benford.us/index.html?cruisingsail/
If you click on the link there that says, "22' Cruising Catboat or
Cutter" you will see a small cartoon of a topsail cutter with an
inboard diesel. A real challenge to trailer and would need a a crane
or something to launch.
Bolger's best designs for what you want to do are maybe the Jochens
Schooner or St. Valery.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/jochems.htm
St. Valery.
http://timkeeshen.tripod.com/thebuildingofstvalery/
Both with water ballast. Bolger also tends towards small 4-stroke
outboards these days with longer leaner light displacement designs
than you are looking for.
Welcome aboard and good luck.
Nels
> But a 20' boat with a diesel engine that is easily trailerableThe only one I know of that Bolger "helped" design is Blueberry, which
> and also a blue water boat is going to be a tough one.
>
> Cheers, Brian
is also cutter rigged. But it is so tiny inside that the builder
(David Hume) was selling it last I heard. But he even wrote a book
about it!
Blueberry: A Boat of the Connecticut Shoreline (Hardcover) out of
print but available 2nd hand at Amazon.
Also look in "Boats With An Open Mind" for a write up and also
consider one of the cover girls "Bright Thread" which is really a
beautiful boat. Strip planked cat yawl. Both have inboard diesels. And
also look at Red Zinger.
But to find a topsail cutter rig - not much hope with Bolger - as he
specializes more or less in Sharpies with simple rigs, unstayed masts,
and few strings. That type of rig you are after, is usually found on
heavy displacement boats that are deep keeled and not really
trailerable. Unless you go to British designs that have bilge keels
which are a bit easier.
You might look at Selway-Fisher designs:
http://www.selway-fisher.com/Yacht2024.htm
Or Jay Benford:
http://www.benford.us/index.html?cruisingsail/
If you click on the link there that says, "22' Cruising Catboat or
Cutter" you will see a small cartoon of a topsail cutter with an
inboard diesel. A real challenge to trailer and would need a a crane
or something to launch.
Bolger's best designs for what you want to do are maybe the Jochens
Schooner or St. Valery.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/jochems.htm
St. Valery.
http://timkeeshen.tripod.com/thebuildingofstvalery/
Both with water ballast. Bolger also tends towards small 4-stroke
outboards these days with longer leaner light displacement designs
than you are looking for.
Welcome aboard and good luck.
Nels
John Welsford's Penguin, Swaggie and Sundowner would also be worth a look.
Plans/photos on Duckworks or Welsford's site. Penguin especially is a very
sweet-looking boat -- much easier to trailer than the other two, but not as
seaworthy. But a 20' boat with a diesel engine that is easily trailerable
and also a blue water boat is going to be a tough one.
Cheers, Brian
Plans/photos on Duckworks or Welsford's site. Penguin especially is a very
sweet-looking boat -- much easier to trailer than the other two, but not as
seaworthy. But a 20' boat with a diesel engine that is easily trailerable
and also a blue water boat is going to be a tough one.
Cheers, Brian
On 4/30/07, The Peillet-Long Family <owlnmole@...> wrote:
>
> Not Bolger, but I think Iain Oughtred has some of the nicest clinker
> designs out there. I don't think you could go wrong with any of his
> small cruisers: Wee Seal, Grey Seal or Eun Mara.
>
> <http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=2>
>
> Fulmar would also make a great camp cruiser with the optional gaff cat
> yawl rig and a light, maybe removable or pop-up cabin top. [Scroll
> down and click Photo 1 to see optional rig.]
>
> <http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=29>
>
> All of them are salty enough to make your eyes water. Iain has a nice
> clinker plywood (glued plywood lapstrake) boatbuilding guide and his
> catalog is good for hours of daydreaming, both available from
> Woodenboat among others.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
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Not Bolger, but I think Iain Oughtred has some of the nicest clinker
designs out there. I don't think you could go wrong with any of his
small cruisers: Wee Seal, Grey Seal or Eun Mara.
<http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=2>
Fulmar would also make a great camp cruiser with the optional gaff cat
yawl rig and a light, maybe removable or pop-up cabin top. [Scroll
down and click Photo 1 to see optional rig.]
<http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=29>
All of them are salty enough to make your eyes water. Iain has a nice
clinker plywood (glued plywood lapstrake) boatbuilding guide and his
catalog is good for hours of daydreaming, both available from
Woodenboat among others.
Good luck!
Matthew
designs out there. I don't think you could go wrong with any of his
small cruisers: Wee Seal, Grey Seal or Eun Mara.
<http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=2>
Fulmar would also make a great camp cruiser with the optional gaff cat
yawl rig and a light, maybe removable or pop-up cabin top. [Scroll
down and click Photo 1 to see optional rig.]
<http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=29>
All of them are salty enough to make your eyes water. Iain has a nice
clinker plywood (glued plywood lapstrake) boatbuilding guide and his
catalog is good for hours of daydreaming, both available from
Woodenboat among others.
Good luck!
Matthew
Aside from Chebacco, you might look at Triple Keel Sloop, design #325 in Different Boats.
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: slusher_ben
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: [bolger] Looking for the right boat
hello,
I'm new to the group but I've been sailing for a number of years.
I'm looking for that "perfect" boat just like many others. I was
hoping that some of you familiar with Bolgers designs (so many!)
might be able to help. Here's what I'm looking for,
around 20 feet
round bilge type
square stern and plumb bow
gaff cutter (and of course the topsail)
comfortable for two - of course deck space is more important
than cabin space
small inboard diesel
really like the lapstrake look, clinker or ply
offshore capable - she will divide her time between the
Greatlakes region and the Caribbean
trailerable - displacement doesn't bother me, I have the vehicle
and experience to move heavy loads
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.....Ben
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hello,
I'm new to the group but I've been sailing for a number of years.
I'm looking for that "perfect" boat just like many others. I was
hoping that some of you familiar with Bolgers designs (so many!)
might be able to help. Here's what I'm looking for,
around 20 feet
round bilge type
square stern and plumb bow
gaff cutter (and of course the topsail)
comfortable for two - of course deck space is more important
than cabin space
small inboard diesel
really like the lapstrake look, clinker or ply
offshore capable - she will divide her time between the
Greatlakes region and the Caribbean
trailerable - displacement doesn't bother me, I have the vehicle
and experience to move heavy loads
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.....Ben
I'm new to the group but I've been sailing for a number of years.
I'm looking for that "perfect" boat just like many others. I was
hoping that some of you familiar with Bolgers designs (so many!)
might be able to help. Here's what I'm looking for,
around 20 feet
round bilge type
square stern and plumb bow
gaff cutter (and of course the topsail)
comfortable for two - of course deck space is more important
than cabin space
small inboard diesel
really like the lapstrake look, clinker or ply
offshore capable - she will divide her time between the
Greatlakes region and the Caribbean
trailerable - displacement doesn't bother me, I have the vehicle
and experience to move heavy loads
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.....Ben