Re: Promising Product for waterproofing wood
I understand you where talking about green wood not green product.
Green wood is poor for boat building and products that are preshered
into wood like wood treated for outdoor decks don't work eather. This
was a product to replace chems used to presher treat as in a green
product. Many many products have come and gone trying to protect
decks and outdoor wood items that don't work well on boats or live up
to what they say. With all the litigation that went on with breast
implants and silicon the odds of some one hitting a small company and
putting it under are high. Invest with caution and do side by side
epoxy glue tests boiling freezing and breaking before even thinking
of useing in a boat. Another test with dry wood is to coat it let dry
weigh it when submerge for a week and see how much weight it gains in
water. Again water proof is different then water resistant. Just some
other food for thought.
Jon
Green wood is poor for boat building and products that are preshered
into wood like wood treated for outdoor decks don't work eather. This
was a product to replace chems used to presher treat as in a green
product. Many many products have come and gone trying to protect
decks and outdoor wood items that don't work well on boats or live up
to what they say. With all the litigation that went on with breast
implants and silicon the odds of some one hitting a small company and
putting it under are high. Invest with caution and do side by side
epoxy glue tests boiling freezing and breaking before even thinking
of useing in a boat. Another test with dry wood is to coat it let dry
weigh it when submerge for a week and see how much weight it gains in
water. Again water proof is different then water resistant. Just some
other food for thought.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cattjd" <cattjd@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mkriley48" <mkriley@> wrote:
> >
> > the fact that this contains silicon renders it completely
unsuitable
> > for boats!! This will interfere with the proper bonding of glues
and
> > paints. It may be able to have a coat of latex floated over it and
> > have it dry but it will not have proper adhesion. If it repels
water
> > it repels paint. Also I would point out that wood oils are
capable of
> > causing epoxy joints to fail over time, oak and teak come to
mind. So
> > the verdict is still to be determined on this ingredient.
> > mike
> >
> I just ordered a gallon of CedarShield. According to Dave at
CedarCide
> it has no compromise to any adhesives including epoxy. It will
accept
> latex paints after 72 hours. If anyone is interested I'll do a
follow
> up post after I get it.
>
> Jeff
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mkriley48" <mkriley@...> wrote:
it has no compromise to any adhesives including epoxy. It will accept
latex paints after 72 hours. If anyone is interested I'll do a follow
up post after I get it.
Jeff
>I just ordered a gallon of CedarShield. According to Dave at CedarCide
> the fact that this contains silicon renders it completely unsuitable
> for boats!! This will interfere with the proper bonding of glues and
> paints. It may be able to have a coat of latex floated over it and
> have it dry but it will not have proper adhesion. If it repels water
> it repels paint. Also I would point out that wood oils are capable of
> causing epoxy joints to fail over time, oak and teak come to mind. So
> the verdict is still to be determined on this ingredient.
> mike
>
it has no compromise to any adhesives including epoxy. It will accept
latex paints after 72 hours. If anyone is interested I'll do a follow
up post after I get it.
Jeff
the fact that this contains silicon renders it completely unsuitable
for boats!! This will interfere with the proper bonding of glues and
paints. It may be able to have a coat of latex floated over it and
have it dry but it will not have proper adhesion. If it repels water
it repels paint. Also I would point out that wood oils are capable of
causing epoxy joints to fail over time, oak and teak come to mind. So
the verdict is still to be determined on this ingredient.
mike
for boats!! This will interfere with the proper bonding of glues and
paints. It may be able to have a coat of latex floated over it and
have it dry but it will not have proper adhesion. If it repels water
it repels paint. Also I would point out that wood oils are capable of
causing epoxy joints to fail over time, oak and teak come to mind. So
the verdict is still to be determined on this ingredient.
mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
promising. In a few years I predict that this technology will
displace chemical pressure treatment of woods and will allow the use
of green(referring to uncured not environmentally safe) woods for many
applications.
When you visit the Cedarcide web site don't stop at their web pages
designed for the retail sale of of their products. Scattered and
buried among the webpages is information relating to the use of their
products as alternatives to pressure treatment of railroad ties,
telephone poles, underwater piers, fence posts, & decking. They claim
the treatment is permanent. If I was building a large boat such as
Topaz, my favorite, I would definitely look into this.
I've only found one other company, egreenstone, that has a similar
product. They make similar claims and are already selling to a fence
post company and a railroad tie company. They don't appear to have a
a retail side to their product. My misplaced (for this forum) comment
on buying cedarcide stock stems from research into buying egreenstone
stock, however, egreenstone has made some poor (in hindsight) business
decisions and their stock went from its original offering @ $0.79 per
share to $0.0018! Pending litigation will probably keep it there for a
while, but I digress.
I'm ordering a gallon of CedarShield to try on some landscaping
projects using Mountain Laurel and Rhododendron branches.
Jeff
>Sorry if it sounded like a rant but I do believe this is extremely
> Sorry to burst the bubble and rant...
> Jon
promising. In a few years I predict that this technology will
displace chemical pressure treatment of woods and will allow the use
of green(referring to uncured not environmentally safe) woods for many
applications.
When you visit the Cedarcide web site don't stop at their web pages
designed for the retail sale of of their products. Scattered and
buried among the webpages is information relating to the use of their
products as alternatives to pressure treatment of railroad ties,
telephone poles, underwater piers, fence posts, & decking. They claim
the treatment is permanent. If I was building a large boat such as
Topaz, my favorite, I would definitely look into this.
I've only found one other company, egreenstone, that has a similar
product. They make similar claims and are already selling to a fence
post company and a railroad tie company. They don't appear to have a
a retail side to their product. My misplaced (for this forum) comment
on buying cedarcide stock stems from research into buying egreenstone
stock, however, egreenstone has made some poor (in hindsight) business
decisions and their stock went from its original offering @ $0.79 per
share to $0.0018! Pending litigation will probably keep it there for a
while, but I digress.
I'm ordering a gallon of CedarShield to try on some landscaping
projects using Mountain Laurel and Rhododendron branches.
Jeff
The key word is resistant not proof and what they imply. It may give
you some life but no more then dipping them or spraying them with the
non green atifreez. To be nontoxic then paint with something that is
some what toxic is just a light shade of green. Toxic is what stops
rot then it is a choice of what toxic is better to be around. When
the chemicals wash out rot starts. Use what works and has the
chemicals to last or another tree will have to be cut sooner or non
renewables used. OSB and other waste wood products don't go in boats
or the weather to last long with any coating the glues that made them
last are no longer used. A water resistant product on wood still
allows it to breath even paints with time it will check or crack.
Green is the new missrepresented fealgood way to sell a lot of
things. Green homes with plastic windows foam insolation and steel
studs. Plastic bags to save trees with plastic egg cartins. Reality
is you can't build a green boat, deck or fence just a light shade of
green and another coat of paint or oils just make it a lighter shade
of green till in time it isn't green at all. Silicone isn't realy a
green chem becouse of what and how it is made.
Sorry to burst the bubble and rant but there is a lot of realy bad
missreprestation in a lot of the green programs and products. I am
enberassed to be involved if many of these non thought out green
ideas like food for fuel as a blend raising the cost of food in a
starving world and requiering 10-20% more due to less efficency.
Jon
Canada can't wait for it to be tropical again when we recover from
global cooling.
you some life but no more then dipping them or spraying them with the
non green atifreez. To be nontoxic then paint with something that is
some what toxic is just a light shade of green. Toxic is what stops
rot then it is a choice of what toxic is better to be around. When
the chemicals wash out rot starts. Use what works and has the
chemicals to last or another tree will have to be cut sooner or non
renewables used. OSB and other waste wood products don't go in boats
or the weather to last long with any coating the glues that made them
last are no longer used. A water resistant product on wood still
allows it to breath even paints with time it will check or crack.
Green is the new missrepresented fealgood way to sell a lot of
things. Green homes with plastic windows foam insolation and steel
studs. Plastic bags to save trees with plastic egg cartins. Reality
is you can't build a green boat, deck or fence just a light shade of
green and another coat of paint or oils just make it a lighter shade
of green till in time it isn't green at all. Silicone isn't realy a
green chem becouse of what and how it is made.
Sorry to burst the bubble and rant but there is a lot of realy bad
missreprestation in a lot of the green programs and products. I am
enberassed to be involved if many of these non thought out green
ideas like food for fuel as a blend raising the cost of food in a
starving world and requiering 10-20% more due to less efficency.
Jon
Canada can't wait for it to be tropical again when we recover from
global cooling.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cattjd" <cattjd@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings from a long time lurker.
>
> I recently stumbled on a site for Cedarcide Industries. They have
> three products that look very promising for eliminating the
> possibility of rot in wooden boats, CedarTreat, CedarSeal, and
> CedarShield (CedarShield looks to be the most "potent"). I've been
> poring over their site, which has a lot of information, and have
> summarized the following that I found of interest to wooden boats:
>
> 1. It can be sprayed, brushed, rolled or soaked on to cured or
green
> wood.
> 2. It alters the structure of the wood using a Dow Corning silicone
> product and a modified cedar oil which are absorbed into the wood
via
> the woods cell and fiber structure to make the wood water repellant,
> dimensionally stable,(possible cure for checking?) & insect
resistant
> 3. It can be painted or stained with oil base products 72 hours
after
> treatment. "Efficacy with water based products is marginal"
> 4. It can be used on plywood, & OSB and stated that treatment makes
> wood more rigid so I would guess that you would want to spray the
hull
> after assembly.
> 5. It appears that one treatment if good for life.
>
> I was looking for an environmentally safe product to use on green
wood
> that would be in ground contact. This looks promising so I thought
I
> would pass it along
>
>
> Jeff
>
> disclaimer: I have no relationship with this company but I wish I
> they offered shares of stock.
>
Greetings from a long time lurker.
I recently stumbled on a site for Cedarcide Industries. They have
three products that look very promising for eliminating the
possibility of rot in wooden boats, CedarTreat, CedarSeal, and
CedarShield (CedarShield looks to be the most "potent"). I've been
poring over their site, which has a lot of information, and have
summarized the following that I found of interest to wooden boats:
1. It can be sprayed, brushed, rolled or soaked on to cured or green
wood.
2. It alters the structure of the wood using a Dow Corning silicone
product and a modified cedar oil which are absorbed into the wood via
the woods cell and fiber structure to make the wood water repellant,
dimensionally stable,(possible cure for checking?) & insect resistant
3. It can be painted or stained with oil base products 72 hours after
treatment. "Efficacy with water based products is marginal"
4. It can be used on plywood, & OSB and stated that treatment makes
wood more rigid so I would guess that you would want to spray the hull
after assembly.
5. It appears that one treatment if good for life.
I was looking for an environmentally safe product to use on green wood
that would be in ground contact. This looks promising so I thought I
would pass it along
Jeff
disclaimer: I have no relationship with this company but I wish I
they offered shares of stock.
I recently stumbled on a site for Cedarcide Industries. They have
three products that look very promising for eliminating the
possibility of rot in wooden boats, CedarTreat, CedarSeal, and
CedarShield (CedarShield looks to be the most "potent"). I've been
poring over their site, which has a lot of information, and have
summarized the following that I found of interest to wooden boats:
1. It can be sprayed, brushed, rolled or soaked on to cured or green
wood.
2. It alters the structure of the wood using a Dow Corning silicone
product and a modified cedar oil which are absorbed into the wood via
the woods cell and fiber structure to make the wood water repellant,
dimensionally stable,(possible cure for checking?) & insect resistant
3. It can be painted or stained with oil base products 72 hours after
treatment. "Efficacy with water based products is marginal"
4. It can be used on plywood, & OSB and stated that treatment makes
wood more rigid so I would guess that you would want to spray the hull
after assembly.
5. It appears that one treatment if good for life.
I was looking for an environmentally safe product to use on green wood
that would be in ground contact. This looks promising so I thought I
would pass it along
Jeff
disclaimer: I have no relationship with this company but I wish I
they offered shares of stock.