Re: [bolger] Instant Boats (was Re: Dynamite Payson On Plywood Boat Longevity)
Kristine,
I'm way behind in my messages. Totally caused by boats...
The structure looks like its main purpose is to keep the jib and sheets from snaging on the horn vent in front of the mast. Kind of like a little roll bar. Some rod bracing is used to attach the ends of the assorted halyards required to make this 44 footer go.
Sincerely, Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
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From: Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Instant Boats (was Re: Dynamite Payson On Plywood Boat Longevity)
It would be nice to have a list and a short blurp on
what the design is, and a drawing... I would be happy
to buy a book that covered his designs say under 40
feet.
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I'm way behind in my messages. Totally caused by boats...
The structure looks like its main purpose is to keep the jib and sheets from snaging on the horn vent in front of the mast. Kind of like a little roll bar. Some rod bracing is used to attach the ends of the assorted halyards required to make this 44 footer go.
Sincerely, Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Instant Boats (was Re: Dynamite Payson On Plywood Boat Longevity)
It would be nice to have a list and a short blurp on
what the design is, and a drawing... I would be happy
to buy a book that covered his designs say under 40
feet.
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By my faulty memory it seems that I read someplace that when Payson made one
of Phils tack and tape designs that Dynamite would build according to the
plans except for the "closing plank" or sheet of ply. Then fill it in with scrap
and such then remove and measure that odd shaped sheet needed to fit the
hole.
That was supposed to be one of the "beauties" of Tack and Tape in that if
things don't fit just the way they should, just go ahead with your filled epoxy
and tape and move right on.
(The books do not mention the time involved in filling, smoothing and hiding
your mistakes.)
Bolger, Payson Car topper
14-9 foot Swifty
John Meacham
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of Phils tack and tape designs that Dynamite would build according to the
plans except for the "closing plank" or sheet of ply. Then fill it in with scrap
and such then remove and measure that odd shaped sheet needed to fit the
hole.
That was supposed to be one of the "beauties" of Tack and Tape in that if
things don't fit just the way they should, just go ahead with your filled epoxy
and tape and move right on.
(The books do not mention the time involved in filling, smoothing and hiding
your mistakes.)
Bolger, Payson Car topper
14-9 foot Swifty
John Meacham
************************************** See what's free athttp://www.aol.com
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When I met Phil and Suzanne at a boat design seminar in New Hampshire
back in 1999, the Internet was still new and novel to me and many
others. I had been messing around with a web sites, and offered to
tackle the task of creating one to chronicle all of their designs
that they still wanted to sell plans for. I also thought this might
help them sell more plans. We talked about it off and on, and I
think they were working on a comprehensive catalog, but nothing ever
came of it. Quite honestly, I think they make enough on design
commissions to support their modest lifestyle and don't want the
aggravation of dealing with lots of plans sales.
It would still be a very worthwhile project because Phil is not a
young man and back issues of Small Boat Journal and MAIB are not that
easy to find. It would be a shame to see any of Phil's designs
disappear. At the very least, it would be great to work with Bob
Hicks of MAIB and whoever owns the rights to SBJ to gather up all of
the PCB articles from those publications alone, which would be
hundreds of designs, some concepts or unbuilt, but many never
documented in any other way.
Now I have three kids and live on the other side of the world, so I'm
unlikely to tackle the project. Maybe someone in this group has the
time and energy to start such a site, chronicling all of Phil's
design's by number and adding the SBJ and MAIB articles. Eventually,
it could be quite a resource and a fitting tribute to someone I
consider to be the Frank Lloyd Wright of boat designers. If it were
a non-profit project that didn't involve much of their time, Phil and
Suzanne might be willing partners.
Regards,
Matthew
Tunis, Tunisia
back in 1999, the Internet was still new and novel to me and many
others. I had been messing around with a web sites, and offered to
tackle the task of creating one to chronicle all of their designs
that they still wanted to sell plans for. I also thought this might
help them sell more plans. We talked about it off and on, and I
think they were working on a comprehensive catalog, but nothing ever
came of it. Quite honestly, I think they make enough on design
commissions to support their modest lifestyle and don't want the
aggravation of dealing with lots of plans sales.
It would still be a very worthwhile project because Phil is not a
young man and back issues of Small Boat Journal and MAIB are not that
easy to find. It would be a shame to see any of Phil's designs
disappear. At the very least, it would be great to work with Bob
Hicks of MAIB and whoever owns the rights to SBJ to gather up all of
the PCB articles from those publications alone, which would be
hundreds of designs, some concepts or unbuilt, but many never
documented in any other way.
Now I have three kids and live on the other side of the world, so I'm
unlikely to tackle the project. Maybe someone in this group has the
time and energy to start such a site, chronicling all of Phil's
design's by number and adding the SBJ and MAIB articles. Eventually,
it could be quite a resource and a fitting tribute to someone I
consider to be the Frank Lloyd Wright of boat designers. If it were
a non-profit project that didn't involve much of their time, Phil and
Suzanne might be willing partners.
Regards,
Matthew
Tunis, Tunisia
It would be nice to have a list and a short blurp on
what the design is, and a drawing... I would be happy
to buy a book that covered his designs say under 40
feet.
Blessings Krissie
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what the design is, and a drawing... I would be happy
to buy a book that covered his designs say under 40
feet.
Blessings Krissie
--- graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
> Storm Petrel was designed for Dynamite. But he don't____________________________________________________________________________________
> offer it. ($50
> from PB&F).
>
> Many other plans and sketches of PCB's note that the
> builder should
> reference Dynamite's "Instant Boats" books. This
> seems hardly
> necessary if intended to be built only by close
> professional
> boatbuilding asssociates: such as with "Canard" and
> Brad Story
> (Apart from experimental purposes Canard was kept as
> a cheap
> daysailer for a number of years, just look at the
> pic of PCB
> barrelling along - a Query to Windsprint type
> conversion could
> easily be done).
>
> I'm not sure if the lovely "Sparkler" was ever
> built, but clearly
> it's an "Instant Boat" plan as ever there was.
>
> I think not all the "Instant Boats" plans Dynamite
> offers have been
> written up by PCB either.
>
> So, what's the word?
>
> Why is it that these plans appear never to have been
> offered
> through "Instant Boats"? What prevented? Surely not
> complexity as
> there is "Birdwatcher" #496A, the scooners etc. (BTW
> Birdwatcher
> would also rule out competing commercial interests
> as it was
> originally a CSD plan offer.)
>
> How many other "Instant Boats" are there that
> haven't made it into
> Dynamite's catalogue, CSD's or others, or into PCB's
> own publishing?
> Consider just finished designs, if you will, the
> number of cartoons
> and proposals would be overwhelming! (Then again I'm
> consantantly,
> delightfully, overwhelmed by it all!)
>
> Do PB&F have a list readily available of all Instant
> Boat (flat pack
> construction?) finished plans? Such a compilation
> might be
> the "Instant Boat BooK". Imagine flicking through
> hundreds of pages
> of study plans... wow! Again and again... wow!
>
> Graeme
>
>
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Storm Petrel was designed for Dynamite. But he don't offer it. ($50
from PB&F).
Many other plans and sketches of PCB's note that the builder should
reference Dynamite's "Instant Boats" books. This seems hardly
necessary if intended to be built only by close professional
boatbuilding asssociates: such as with "Canard" and Brad Story
(Apart from experimental purposes Canard was kept as a cheap
daysailer for a number of years, just look at the pic of PCB
barrelling along - a Query to Windsprint type conversion could
easily be done).
I'm not sure if the lovely "Sparkler" was ever built, but clearly
it's an "Instant Boat" plan as ever there was.
I think not all the "Instant Boats" plans Dynamite offers have been
written up by PCB either.
So, what's the word?
Why is it that these plans appear never to have been offered
through "Instant Boats"? What prevented? Surely not complexity as
there is "Birdwatcher" #496A, the scooners etc. (BTW Birdwatcher
would also rule out competing commercial interests as it was
originally a CSD plan offer.)
How many other "Instant Boats" are there that haven't made it into
Dynamite's catalogue, CSD's or others, or into PCB's own publishing?
Consider just finished designs, if you will, the number of cartoons
and proposals would be overwhelming! (Then again I'm consantantly,
delightfully, overwhelmed by it all!)
Do PB&F have a list readily available of all Instant Boat (flat pack
construction?) finished plans? Such a compilation might be
the "Instant Boat BooK". Imagine flicking through hundreds of pages
of study plans... wow! Again and again... wow!
Graeme
from PB&F).
Many other plans and sketches of PCB's note that the builder should
reference Dynamite's "Instant Boats" books. This seems hardly
necessary if intended to be built only by close professional
boatbuilding asssociates: such as with "Canard" and Brad Story
(Apart from experimental purposes Canard was kept as a cheap
daysailer for a number of years, just look at the pic of PCB
barrelling along - a Query to Windsprint type conversion could
easily be done).
I'm not sure if the lovely "Sparkler" was ever built, but clearly
it's an "Instant Boat" plan as ever there was.
I think not all the "Instant Boats" plans Dynamite offers have been
written up by PCB either.
So, what's the word?
Why is it that these plans appear never to have been offered
through "Instant Boats"? What prevented? Surely not complexity as
there is "Birdwatcher" #496A, the scooners etc. (BTW Birdwatcher
would also rule out competing commercial interests as it was
originally a CSD plan offer.)
How many other "Instant Boats" are there that haven't made it into
Dynamite's catalogue, CSD's or others, or into PCB's own publishing?
Consider just finished designs, if you will, the number of cartoons
and proposals would be overwhelming! (Then again I'm consantantly,
delightfully, overwhelmed by it all!)
Do PB&F have a list readily available of all Instant Boat (flat pack
construction?) finished plans? Such a compilation might be
the "Instant Boat BooK". Imagine flicking through hundreds of pages
of study plans... wow! Again and again... wow!
Graeme
Below is an excerpt from Dynamite Payson's latest book that may be of
interest to many people. I bought his book, along with Jim Michalak's
building book offered as a special at Amazon.ca and they really
compliment each other in my opinion.
One thing I noticed is that neither one mentions MDO as a possible
building material. This may be because it is not available in 1/4
inch, which is what a lot of the plans call for.
"Plywood boats can last a long time. While writing this, I'm looking
out my shop window at the Thomaston Galley, a 15' 6" V-bottom designed
by Phil Bolger for oar, sail or power. It's now more than forty years
old. I sold it when it was new, then bought it back a few years later
because it rowed as well as the Gloucester Light Dory (which is saying
a lot). And it was the only boat my wife would row home when the wind
went down and the motor quit at the same time.
Her bottom was built of ¼" marine-grade Douglas fir plywood, fastened
to 5/8" mahogany plank sides. She was sheathed outside with six-ounce
fiberglass cloth saturated with polyester resin. She's been stored
outside, summer and winter, for her entire life, and she's had good
air circulation. She's free from rot, and I wouldn't hesitate to
launch her for a sail or row.
I don't believe there is an inherent practical limit to the life of a
properly built, glass-sheathed plywood boat. It doesn't matter how
long they are in the water or out, left outside in the hot sun or
buried with snow; these boats stay tight."
Harold H. Dynamite Payson from his latest book.
interest to many people. I bought his book, along with Jim Michalak's
building book offered as a special at Amazon.ca and they really
compliment each other in my opinion.
One thing I noticed is that neither one mentions MDO as a possible
building material. This may be because it is not available in 1/4
inch, which is what a lot of the plans call for.
"Plywood boats can last a long time. While writing this, I'm looking
out my shop window at the Thomaston Galley, a 15' 6" V-bottom designed
by Phil Bolger for oar, sail or power. It's now more than forty years
old. I sold it when it was new, then bought it back a few years later
because it rowed as well as the Gloucester Light Dory (which is saying
a lot). And it was the only boat my wife would row home when the wind
went down and the motor quit at the same time.
Her bottom was built of ¼" marine-grade Douglas fir plywood, fastened
to 5/8" mahogany plank sides. She was sheathed outside with six-ounce
fiberglass cloth saturated with polyester resin. She's been stored
outside, summer and winter, for her entire life, and she's had good
air circulation. She's free from rot, and I wouldn't hesitate to
launch her for a sail or row.
I don't believe there is an inherent practical limit to the life of a
properly built, glass-sheathed plywood boat. It doesn't matter how
long they are in the water or out, left outside in the hot sun or
buried with snow; these boats stay tight."
Harold H. Dynamite Payson from his latest book.