Re: Bolger and other Boxes - Update 3
This one was stuck for a looooong time in my outbox...
(apologies for not cutting the original at the bottom, but it's been
long time, and it might be easier to have a "tail" than to have to dig
through archives)
Graeme,
thanks for looking things up. Unfortunately, we are not much further.
As it stands now with the Bolger Houseboat variants:
- Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10")
Seems to be an original design. The text says at least nothing
that it would be an update of another design.
Scans on Yahoo study_plans_only and Cartoons are basically
identical to the ones onhttp://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats..
and are probably from CSD catalogue and CSD books.
then there is
- Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
Maybe somebody who has the BWOAM can verify the dimensions,
and even upload a scan to compare with the other version.
Is there a Design Number mentioned in BWAOM?
and finally there is
- Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
Could be a modified version of the first Houseboat,
or the same, or another one ....
Just trying to get an Update 4 finished...
Cheers, and thanks,
Stefan
--- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
(apologies for not cutting the original at the bottom, but it's been
long time, and it might be easier to have a "tail" than to have to dig
through archives)
Graeme,
thanks for looking things up. Unfortunately, we are not much further.
As it stands now with the Bolger Houseboat variants:
- Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10")
Seems to be an original design. The text says at least nothing
that it would be an update of another design.
Scans on Yahoo study_plans_only and Cartoons are basically
identical to the ones onhttp://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats..
and are probably from CSD catalogue and CSD books.
then there is
- Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
Maybe somebody who has the BWOAM can verify the dimensions,
and even upload a scan to compare with the other version.
Is there a Design Number mentioned in BWAOM?
and finally there is
- Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
Could be a modified version of the first Houseboat,
or the same, or another one ....
Just trying to get an Update 4 finished...
Cheers, and thanks,
Stefan
--- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
> --- "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@> wrote:
> > The scans in both directories are identical.
> > Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
>
> Stefan,
>
>
> The two scans in study_plans_only and Cartoons, respectively
>
>http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRjgzMkNS9nrH9rxF8WzjQ80mT7m8L-
> knIsS94ybZr4SE2xmglrJpdmZjJBaZ8B7lu85mLpJLPKdL7ekxJz-
> uY9E3SM92ASZH7eg/Houseboat%20%23481/Houseboat
>
> , and
>
>http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRvuh4WVS9nrHx9jI4vBPRw_UpqUhbcUWbiMD
> GdeXxIOgmWGVKUfsK4wmyqIVbrbfxtByjGCGhEfVRa4i5eGsdnDn116dSWG0xzg/House
> boat/Bolger_Houseboat.jpeg.jpg ,
>
> appear to be copies, one of the other; the dates make it most likely
> the study_plans_only is copied from that in Cartoons.
>
> There are at least two places I know of where that particular
> scanned drawing of the floorplan, and sectioned port and starboard
> profiles may originate. One is the CSD catalogue. The other is the
> CSD book (which I've not seen).
>
> The page scanned at Shantyboats
>http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpgI
> believe may be from the book. Although the drawings featured appear
> to be the same 3, the page layout differs from the Houseboat page in
> my 1991 CSD catalogue. In my catalogue the exterior starboard
> profile drawing is at the top right of the page with the text to the
> left and across the page under and above the other 2 drawings. At
> Shantyboats that exterior profile drawing is centred at the top with
> the text on both sides and below, also there is a
> subheading "(WATERBOURNE VACATION HOME & TRAVEL TRAILER)" which is
> absent on the catalogue page.
>
> A few more of the hidden lines of floors etc are also shown in
> Shantyboats, as at Cartoons and study_plans too (which also have
> what appear to be pecil marks made by the reader), so I think those
> scans may have the same version of the drawings. However, they may
> yet again be sourced from different publications. For example, note
> the verticle bold lines extending for about a third the drawing
> height at the upper right and lower left in the study_plans_only and
> Cartoons scans - that is likely to have been copied in the reduction
> from an original. Those perimeter lines are absent in the drawing on
> the page scan at Shanyboats.
>
> I have no idea what any third possible publication, if there was
> such, might be. (PCB has/does provided reductions, and article
> copies as study plans in some instances - Maybe the source is the
> source?)
>
> HTH a bit
>
> graeme
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@> wrote:
> >
> > --- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Houseboat #419
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
> > > (or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
> >
> > Correct. The Yahoo Group's Database lists #419 as Fantail Launch.
> >
> > > Houseboat #481
> > >
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
> > > %20%23481/
> >
> > The scans in both directories are identical.
> > Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
> >
> > They look to me the same like from this source:
> >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no
> design
> > number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
> > assume that it is the original.
> > The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
> >
> > I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
> > are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There seems to be the
> > > > - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> > > > - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> > > > - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
> > > >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> > > > Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
> > >
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
The two scans in study_plans_only and Cartoons, respectively
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRjgzMkNS9nrH9rxF8WzjQ80mT7m8L-
knIsS94ybZr4SE2xmglrJpdmZjJBaZ8B7lu85mLpJLPKdL7ekxJz-
uY9E3SM92ASZH7eg/Houseboat%20%23481/Houseboat
, and
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRvuh4WVS9nrHx9jI4vBPRw_UpqUhbcUWbiMD
GdeXxIOgmWGVKUfsK4wmyqIVbrbfxtByjGCGhEfVRa4i5eGsdnDn116dSWG0xzg/House
boat/Bolger_Houseboat.jpeg.jpg ,
appear to be copies, one of the other; the dates make it most likely
the study_plans_only is copied from that in Cartoons.
There are at least two places I know of where that particular
scanned drawing of the floorplan, and sectioned port and starboard
profiles may originate. One is the CSD catalogue. The other is the
CSD book (which I've not seen).
The page scanned at Shantyboats
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpgI
believe may be from the book. Although the drawings featured appear
to be the same 3, the page layout differs from the Houseboat page in
my 1991 CSD catalogue. In my catalogue the exterior starboard
profile drawing is at the top right of the page with the text to the
left and across the page under and above the other 2 drawings. At
Shantyboats that exterior profile drawing is centred at the top with
the text on both sides and below, also there is a
subheading "(WATERBOURNE VACATION HOME & TRAVEL TRAILER)" which is
absent on the catalogue page.
A few more of the hidden lines of floors etc are also shown in
Shantyboats, as at Cartoons and study_plans too (which also have
what appear to be pecil marks made by the reader), so I think those
scans may have the same version of the drawings. However, they may
yet again be sourced from different publications. For example, note
the verticle bold lines extending for about a third the drawing
height at the upper right and lower left in the study_plans_only and
Cartoons scans - that is likely to have been copied in the reduction
from an original. Those perimeter lines are absent in the drawing on
the page scan at Shanyboats.
I have no idea what any third possible publication, if there was
such, might be. (PCB has/does provided reductions, and article
copies as study plans in some instances - Maybe the source is the
source?)
HTH a bit
graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
wrote:
> The scans in both directories are identical.Stefan,
> Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
The two scans in study_plans_only and Cartoons, respectively
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRjgzMkNS9nrH9rxF8WzjQ80mT7m8L-
knIsS94ybZr4SE2xmglrJpdmZjJBaZ8B7lu85mLpJLPKdL7ekxJz-
uY9E3SM92ASZH7eg/Houseboat%20%23481/Houseboat
, and
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8OplRvuh4WVS9nrHx9jI4vBPRw_UpqUhbcUWbiMD
GdeXxIOgmWGVKUfsK4wmyqIVbrbfxtByjGCGhEfVRa4i5eGsdnDn116dSWG0xzg/House
boat/Bolger_Houseboat.jpeg.jpg ,
appear to be copies, one of the other; the dates make it most likely
the study_plans_only is copied from that in Cartoons.
There are at least two places I know of where that particular
scanned drawing of the floorplan, and sectioned port and starboard
profiles may originate. One is the CSD catalogue. The other is the
CSD book (which I've not seen).
The page scanned at Shantyboats
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpgI
believe may be from the book. Although the drawings featured appear
to be the same 3, the page layout differs from the Houseboat page in
my 1991 CSD catalogue. In my catalogue the exterior starboard
profile drawing is at the top right of the page with the text to the
left and across the page under and above the other 2 drawings. At
Shantyboats that exterior profile drawing is centred at the top with
the text on both sides and below, also there is a
subheading "(WATERBOURNE VACATION HOME & TRAVEL TRAILER)" which is
absent on the catalogue page.
A few more of the hidden lines of floors etc are also shown in
Shantyboats, as at Cartoons and study_plans too (which also have
what appear to be pecil marks made by the reader), so I think those
scans may have the same version of the drawings. However, they may
yet again be sourced from different publications. For example, note
the verticle bold lines extending for about a third the drawing
height at the upper right and lower left in the study_plans_only and
Cartoons scans - that is likely to have been copied in the reduction
from an original. Those perimeter lines are absent in the drawing on
the page scan at Shanyboats.
I have no idea what any third possible publication, if there was
such, might be. (PCB has/does provided reductions, and article
copies as study plans in some instances - Maybe the source is the
source?)
HTH a bit
graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
> --- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
> >
> > Houseboat #419
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
> > (or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
>
> Correct. The Yahoo Group's Database lists #419 as Fantail Launch.
>
> > Houseboat #481
> >
> > %20%23481/design
>
> The scans in both directories are identical.
> Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
>
> They look to me the same like from this source:
>http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no
> number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
> assume that it is the original.
> The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
>
> I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
> are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There seems to be the
> > > - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> > > - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> > > - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
> > >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > >
> > > Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> > > Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
> >
>
Sorry, forgot the link. Try thishttp://tinyurl.com/2xcch7
Bryant
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW here's a pic of Paul's Bolger Houseboat on his trailer. I seem to
> remember that Paul built it exactly to plans so this should be
> accurate. He started modifying after this pic was taken. Someplace in
> my research I noted it was a Bolger Houseboat #481, not sure from what
> source I got that. Paul?
>
> BTW - if you peruse my Flickr site you'll find some other pics of
> Paul's boat and a few of Steve Guterman and George Mindos's Watervan -
> another box boat.
>
> Bryant
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@> wrote:
> >
> > --- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Houseboat #419
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
> > > (or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
> >
> > Correct. The Yahoo Group's Database lists #419 as Fantail Launch.
> >
> > > Houseboat #481
> > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
> > > %20%23481/
> >
> > The scans in both directories are identical.
> > Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
> >
> > They look to me the same like from this source:
> >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no design
> > number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
> > assume that it is the original.
> > The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
> >
> > I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
> > are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There seems to be the
> > > > - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> > > > - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> > > > - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
> > > >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> > > > Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
> > >
> >
>
FWIW here's a pic of Paul's Bolger Houseboat on his trailer. I seem to
remember that Paul built it exactly to plans so this should be
accurate. He started modifying after this pic was taken. Someplace in
my research I noted it was a Bolger Houseboat #481, not sure from what
source I got that. Paul?
BTW - if you peruse my Flickr site you'll find some other pics of
Paul's boat and a few of Steve Guterman and George Mindos's Watervan -
another box boat.
Bryant
remember that Paul built it exactly to plans so this should be
accurate. He started modifying after this pic was taken. Someplace in
my research I noted it was a Bolger Houseboat #481, not sure from what
source I got that. Paul?
BTW - if you peruse my Flickr site you'll find some other pics of
Paul's boat and a few of Steve Guterman and George Mindos's Watervan -
another box boat.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
>
> --- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
> >
> > Houseboat #419
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
> > (or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
>
> Correct. The Yahoo Group's Database lists #419 as Fantail Launch.
>
> > Houseboat #481
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
> > %20%23481/
>
> The scans in both directories are identical.
> Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
>
> They look to me the same like from this source:
>http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no design
> number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
> assume that it is the original.
> The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
>
> I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
> are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There seems to be the
> > > - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> > > - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> > > - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
> > >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> > >
> > > Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> > > Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
> >
>
--- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
They look to me the same like from this source:
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no design
number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
assume that it is the original.
The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
Stefan
>Correct. The Yahoo Group's Database lists #419 as Fantail Launch.
> Houseboat #419
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
> (or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
> Houseboat #481The scans in both directories are identical.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
> %20%23481/
Unfortunately, it is not clear where they are taken from.
They look to me the same like from this source:
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
That one contains text which is headlined "Houseboat", but no design
number. The text makes no mention of a modification, therefore I
assume that it is the original.
The dimensions given there are 19'9" x 7'10"
I am not sure whether the mentioned modification (more rocker etc.)
are my #2 in the list below, or my #1.
Stefan
>
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> wrote:
>
> > There seems to be the
> > - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> > - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> > - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
> >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
> >
> > Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> > Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
>
Houseboat #419
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
(or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
Houseboat #481
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
%20%23481/
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Houseboat/
(or... Fantail Launch #419... confused?)
Houseboat #481
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Houseboat
%20%23481/
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
> There seems to be the
> - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
>http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
>
> Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
OK in BWAOM I remember the house barge that was in
there is this the boat that is being talked about?
If not I'm lost and in the dark with what boat is
being talked about.
Blessings Krissie
--- Bryant Owen <mariner@...> wrote:
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
that gives answers, not web links.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
there is this the boat that is being talked about?
If not I'm lost and in the dark with what boat is
being talked about.
Blessings Krissie
--- Bryant Owen <mariner@...> wrote:
> Here's a response from Paul McLellan that he____________________________________________________________________________________
> couldn't post directly.
> I'll respond later.
>
> "Modifications to my Bolger Houseboat this year make
> me try to
> encourage you to reconsider your change of plans.
> Scrounge, beg,
> borrow and sweat equity the materials as much as you
> can and build the
> most boat you can. With your knowledge and frugal
> habits, it will be
> easier than you think. I am looking forward to the
> messabout and in
> the meanime will be on the water a lot, but am not
> sure where. Life
> just keeps trying to get in the way of cruising but
> I will prevail as
> the Houseboat is ready, cleaned and provisions ready
> to be loaded.
> Maybe this week it will be in the St. Lawrence and I
> will be reluctant
> to remove it till after the messabout. Just got a
> call from John
> Bartlett and he is here for the summer and I better
> launch before he
> convinces me to build that second story. The Bolger
> addiction is a
> hard one to control.
>
> I added 2 rear sponsons on the Happy Adventure and
> am extremely
> pleased with the results. The bottom size for each
> sponson is 28 x 32
> inches and adds an amazing amount of rear bouyancy.
> In one I have put
> the 2 propane tanks and a whole bunch of other gear
> necessary for
> comfortable cruising and hanging on a hook or dock.
> This gear
> includes a couple of folding chairs, a propane BBQ
> and small fuel
> tanks, exrra white gas stove and fuel. Removing the
> propane tanks
> from the cabin area makes me feel safer and is
> obviously more sane.
> In the other I put my 6 gal fuel tank and 2 gallon
> reserve and will
> store a spare fully charged battery. I also moved
> both the motor and
> house battery to the rear deck and placed them under
> a large step made
> flush with the already wide (10") gunnel. The stern
> edge of the one
> sponson serves as a resting point fo the new ladder.
> The ladder has 3
> positions all for a srecific function. It travels
> on the roof while
> trailering, in the down position serves as a
> geriatric swim ladder for
> re-entry and allows you to go to the roof for
> relaunching to the water
> or basking, or fiddling with the new Junebug dingy
> (wadda boat). In
> the up position the ladder is always ready for roof
> access.
>
> The performance of the Happy Adventure with the new
> sponsons is better
> than expected with I believe a marginal increase in
> speed. The reall
> proof will come with this summer's use and
> sharpening my wits to come
> up with a tug like bow which will gove about 300
> pounds of actual and
> another 300 pounds or reserve flotation. I would
> appreciate any wisdom
> on this proposed addition or on the sponsons."
>
> Paul McLellan
>
>
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Means:
The scans that are around (source?) obviously show the 19'9" x 7'10"
version (my #3), are titled "Houseboat" and are probably the first
version.
Then came the modifications (20' x 8'?)(my #1). The design got the
design number 481, now titled "Barge Houseboat".
And then there is my #2, the "Barge Houseboat" BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x
7'10").
Can somebody confirm and/or correct?
Thanks,
Stefan
--- "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
The scans that are around (source?) obviously show the 19'9" x 7'10"
version (my #3), are titled "Houseboat" and are probably the first
version.
Then came the modifications (20' x 8'?)(my #1). The design got the
design number 481, now titled "Barge Houseboat".
And then there is my #2, the "Barge Houseboat" BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x
7'10").
Can somebody confirm and/or correct?
Thanks,
Stefan
--- "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
> Bolger did a bow modification to the design, adding about a foot of
> length above the water line as well as some height. This was supposed
> to make it more able to run downwind without the bow rooting into the
> waves.
>
> Was also a safety factor if the motor quit. You could sort of "broad
> reach" back to shore and would have more reserve bouyancy in the bow
> for that as well. I think the mod sheet comes with the plans now.
>
> Nels
>
Hi Paul. Glad to hear you've been busy modding up an already great
boat. Hoping to have another ride at Kingston. And I promise to wake
you up if we have another Northern Lights show :-)
Thanks for the kind words re my knowledge and frugal habits (re frugal
- he knows me better than I thought!) Resources are not just money or
materials but time, energy and changing circumstances. While I would
LOVE a Bolger houseboat I've also had to realize that it just doesn't
fit into my lifestyle YET. The Harmonica will do fine for over the
next few years for some last minute easy daycruising and the odd
overnighter until I'm more "at leisure". Besides, I'll be using the
Harmonica as a stepping stone since it'll be the first boat over 8'
I've built.
Bryant
boat. Hoping to have another ride at Kingston. And I promise to wake
you up if we have another Northern Lights show :-)
Thanks for the kind words re my knowledge and frugal habits (re frugal
- he knows me better than I thought!) Resources are not just money or
materials but time, energy and changing circumstances. While I would
LOVE a Bolger houseboat I've also had to realize that it just doesn't
fit into my lifestyle YET. The Harmonica will do fine for over the
next few years for some last minute easy daycruising and the odd
overnighter until I'm more "at leisure". Besides, I'll be using the
Harmonica as a stepping stone since it'll be the first boat over 8'
I've built.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a response from Paul McLellan that he couldn't post directly.
> I'll respond later.
>
> "Modifications to my Bolger Houseboat this year make me try to
> encourage you to reconsider your change of plans. Scrounge, beg,
> borrow and sweat equity the materials as much as you can and build the
> most boat you can. With your knowledge and frugal habits, it will be
> easier than you think. I am looking forward to the messabout and in
> the meanime will be on the water a lot, but am not sure where. Life
> just keeps trying to get in the way of cruising but I will prevail as
> the Houseboat is ready, cleaned and provisions ready to be loaded.
> Maybe this week it will be in the St. Lawrence and I will be reluctant
> to remove it till after the messabout. Just got a call from John
> Bartlett and he is here for the summer and I better launch before he
> convinces me to build that second story. The Bolger addiction is a
> hard one to control.
>
> I added 2 rear sponsons on the Happy Adventure and am extremely
> pleased with the results. The bottom size for each sponson is 28 x 32
> inches and adds an amazing amount of rear bouyancy. In one I have put
> the 2 propane tanks and a whole bunch of other gear necessary for
> comfortable cruising and hanging on a hook or dock. This gear
> includes a couple of folding chairs, a propane BBQ and small fuel
> tanks, exrra white gas stove and fuel. Removing the propane tanks
> from the cabin area makes me feel safer and is obviously more sane.
> In the other I put my 6 gal fuel tank and 2 gallon reserve and will
> store a spare fully charged battery. I also moved both the motor and
> house battery to the rear deck and placed them under a large step made
> flush with the already wide (10") gunnel. The stern edge of the one
> sponson serves as a resting point fo the new ladder. The ladder has 3
> positions all for a srecific function. It travels on the roof while
> trailering, in the down position serves as a geriatric swim ladder for
> re-entry and allows you to go to the roof for relaunching to the water
> or basking, or fiddling with the new Junebug dingy (wadda boat). In
> the up position the ladder is always ready for roof access.
>
> The performance of the Happy Adventure with the new sponsons is better
> than expected with I believe a marginal increase in speed. The reall
> proof will come with this summer's use and sharpening my wits to come
> up with a tug like bow which will gove about 300 pounds of actual and
> another 300 pounds or reserve flotation. I would appreciate any wisdom
> on this proposed addition or on the sponsons."
>
> Paul McLellan
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there some reason why the Bolger Houseboat is not on this list? It
> > was on my A-list but my resources - if not my needs - have me pointed
> > to a Michalak Harmonica, which is on your list.
> >
> > Bryant - already thinking of the Kingston ON Messabout
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For those who are interested (and like to have this info handy
> > > together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
> > > deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
> > > rectangular water plane):
> > >
> > > - Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> > > - Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> > > - Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
> > > - Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
> > > - Skimmer (8' x 4')
> > > - Brick (8' x 4')
> > >
> > > The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
> > > simple open boats.
> > >
> > > Then there is
> > > - the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
> > >
> > > and then of course the "Derivatives":
> > > - Superbrick (Brick Houseboat) (19'6" x 7'10")
> > > - Fast Brick (motor, with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
> > > - Flying Cloud (sail, with box keel) (8' x 4')
> > > - Power Yawlboat
> > > (similar to Fast Brick, but with sponsons)(11'4" x 5'3")
> > > Two "Super" versions of Fast Brick:
> > > - Fiddler II (15'10" x 6'8")
> > > - Watervan (22'9" x 8')
> > >
> > >
> > > Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
> > >
> > > And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
> > >
> > > Jim Michalak's series:
> > > - Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
> > > - Harmonica (13' x 5')
> > > - Shanteuse (16' x 6')
> > >
> > > svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
> > > - Sun Fish
> > > - Voyageur
> > > - Budget Houseboat
> > >
> > > A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
> > >
> > >
> > > And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various
> > designers.
> > >
> > > Feel free to complete this list.
> > > (Thanks, Nels, Graeme and Susan!)
> > >
> > > Stefan
> > > the collector
> > >
> >
>
Here's a response from Paul McLellan that he couldn't post directly.
I'll respond later.
"Modifications to my Bolger Houseboat this year make me try to
encourage you to reconsider your change of plans. Scrounge, beg,
borrow and sweat equity the materials as much as you can and build the
most boat you can. With your knowledge and frugal habits, it will be
easier than you think. I am looking forward to the messabout and in
the meanime will be on the water a lot, but am not sure where. Life
just keeps trying to get in the way of cruising but I will prevail as
the Houseboat is ready, cleaned and provisions ready to be loaded.
Maybe this week it will be in the St. Lawrence and I will be reluctant
to remove it till after the messabout. Just got a call from John
Bartlett and he is here for the summer and I better launch before he
convinces me to build that second story. The Bolger addiction is a
hard one to control.
I added 2 rear sponsons on the Happy Adventure and am extremely
pleased with the results. The bottom size for each sponson is 28 x 32
inches and adds an amazing amount of rear bouyancy. In one I have put
the 2 propane tanks and a whole bunch of other gear necessary for
comfortable cruising and hanging on a hook or dock. This gear
includes a couple of folding chairs, a propane BBQ and small fuel
tanks, exrra white gas stove and fuel. Removing the propane tanks
from the cabin area makes me feel safer and is obviously more sane.
In the other I put my 6 gal fuel tank and 2 gallon reserve and will
store a spare fully charged battery. I also moved both the motor and
house battery to the rear deck and placed them under a large step made
flush with the already wide (10") gunnel. The stern edge of the one
sponson serves as a resting point fo the new ladder. The ladder has 3
positions all for a srecific function. It travels on the roof while
trailering, in the down position serves as a geriatric swim ladder for
re-entry and allows you to go to the roof for relaunching to the water
or basking, or fiddling with the new Junebug dingy (wadda boat). In
the up position the ladder is always ready for roof access.
The performance of the Happy Adventure with the new sponsons is better
than expected with I believe a marginal increase in speed. The reall
proof will come with this summer's use and sharpening my wits to come
up with a tug like bow which will gove about 300 pounds of actual and
another 300 pounds or reserve flotation. I would appreciate any wisdom
on this proposed addition or on the sponsons."
Paul McLellan
I'll respond later.
"Modifications to my Bolger Houseboat this year make me try to
encourage you to reconsider your change of plans. Scrounge, beg,
borrow and sweat equity the materials as much as you can and build the
most boat you can. With your knowledge and frugal habits, it will be
easier than you think. I am looking forward to the messabout and in
the meanime will be on the water a lot, but am not sure where. Life
just keeps trying to get in the way of cruising but I will prevail as
the Houseboat is ready, cleaned and provisions ready to be loaded.
Maybe this week it will be in the St. Lawrence and I will be reluctant
to remove it till after the messabout. Just got a call from John
Bartlett and he is here for the summer and I better launch before he
convinces me to build that second story. The Bolger addiction is a
hard one to control.
I added 2 rear sponsons on the Happy Adventure and am extremely
pleased with the results. The bottom size for each sponson is 28 x 32
inches and adds an amazing amount of rear bouyancy. In one I have put
the 2 propane tanks and a whole bunch of other gear necessary for
comfortable cruising and hanging on a hook or dock. This gear
includes a couple of folding chairs, a propane BBQ and small fuel
tanks, exrra white gas stove and fuel. Removing the propane tanks
from the cabin area makes me feel safer and is obviously more sane.
In the other I put my 6 gal fuel tank and 2 gallon reserve and will
store a spare fully charged battery. I also moved both the motor and
house battery to the rear deck and placed them under a large step made
flush with the already wide (10") gunnel. The stern edge of the one
sponson serves as a resting point fo the new ladder. The ladder has 3
positions all for a srecific function. It travels on the roof while
trailering, in the down position serves as a geriatric swim ladder for
re-entry and allows you to go to the roof for relaunching to the water
or basking, or fiddling with the new Junebug dingy (wadda boat). In
the up position the ladder is always ready for roof access.
The performance of the Happy Adventure with the new sponsons is better
than expected with I believe a marginal increase in speed. The reall
proof will come with this summer's use and sharpening my wits to come
up with a tug like bow which will gove about 300 pounds of actual and
another 300 pounds or reserve flotation. I would appreciate any wisdom
on this proposed addition or on the sponsons."
Paul McLellan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@...> wrote:
>
> Is there some reason why the Bolger Houseboat is not on this list? It
> was on my A-list but my resources - if not my needs - have me pointed
> to a Michalak Harmonica, which is on your list.
>
> Bryant - already thinking of the Kingston ON Messabout
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@> wrote:
> >
> > For those who are interested (and like to have this info handy
> > together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
> > deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
> > rectangular water plane):
> >
> > - Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> > - Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> > - Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
> > - Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
> > - Skimmer (8' x 4')
> > - Brick (8' x 4')
> >
> > The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
> > simple open boats.
> >
> > Then there is
> > - the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
> >
> > and then of course the "Derivatives":
> > - Superbrick (Brick Houseboat) (19'6" x 7'10")
> > - Fast Brick (motor, with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
> > - Flying Cloud (sail, with box keel) (8' x 4')
> > - Power Yawlboat
> > (similar to Fast Brick, but with sponsons)(11'4" x 5'3")
> > Two "Super" versions of Fast Brick:
> > - Fiddler II (15'10" x 6'8")
> > - Watervan (22'9" x 8')
> >
> >
> > Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
> >
> > And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
> >
> > Jim Michalak's series:
> > - Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
> > - Harmonica (13' x 5')
> > - Shanteuse (16' x 6')
> >
> > svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
> > - Sun Fish
> > - Voyageur
> > - Budget Houseboat
> >
> > A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
> >
> >
> > And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various
> designers.
> >
> > Feel free to complete this list.
> > (Thanks, Nels, Graeme and Susan!)
> >
> > Stefan
> > the collector
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@...> wrote:
length above the water line as well as some height. This was supposed
to make it more able to run downwind without the bow rooting into the
waves.
Was also a safety factor if the motor quit. You could sort of "broad
reach" back to shore and would have more reserve bouyancy in the bow
for that as well. I think the mod sheet comes with the plans now.
Nels
>Bolger did a bow modification to the design, adding about a foot of
> Yes #1 and #3 are the same boat.
>
> Bryant
length above the water line as well as some height. This was supposed
to make it more able to run downwind without the bow rooting into the
waves.
Was also a safety factor if the motor quit. You could sort of "broad
reach" back to shore and would have more reserve bouyancy in the bow
for that as well. I think the mod sheet comes with the plans now.
Nels
Yes #1 and #3 are the same boat.
Bryant
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
>
> --- "Bryant Owen" <mariner@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there some reason why the Bolger Houseboat is not on this list?
>
> No other than that I am not the expert Bolger librarian, and until now
> nobody mentioned it.
>
> But it looks like there is similar confusion like with the small boxes
> (Tortoise & Co):
>
> There seems to be the
> - Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
> - Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
> - Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
>http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
>
> Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
> Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
>
> Thanks,
> Stefan
>
--- "Bryant Owen" <mariner@...> wrote:
nobody mentioned it.
But it looks like there is similar confusion like with the small boxes
(Tortoise & Co):
There seems to be the
- Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
- Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
- Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
Thanks,
Stefan
>No other than that I am not the expert Bolger librarian, and until now
> Is there some reason why the Bolger Houseboat is not on this list?
nobody mentioned it.
But it looks like there is similar confusion like with the small boxes
(Tortoise & Co):
There seems to be the
- Barge Houseboat #481 (20' x 8') (according to Yahoo Database)
- Barge Houseboat BWAOM Ch#58 (25'6" x 7'10") (Yahoo Database)
- Houseboat (19'9" x 7'10") a scan on
http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/Bolger/Bolger_Houseboat1.jpg
Could it be, that the first and the third one are the same?
Any Infos (Scans, photos) on the second one?
Thanks,
Stefan
Is there some reason why the Bolger Houseboat is not on this list? It
was on my A-list but my resources - if not my needs - have me pointed
to a Michalak Harmonica, which is on your list.
Bryant - already thinking of the Kingston ON Messabout
was on my A-list but my resources - if not my needs - have me pointed
to a Michalak Harmonica, which is on your list.
Bryant - already thinking of the Kingston ON Messabout
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
>
> For those who are interested (and like to have this info handy
> together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
> deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
> rectangular water plane):
>
> - Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> - Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> - Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
> - Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
> - Skimmer (8' x 4')
> - Brick (8' x 4')
>
> The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
> simple open boats.
>
> Then there is
> - the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
>
> and then of course the "Derivatives":
> - Superbrick (Brick Houseboat) (19'6" x 7'10")
> - Fast Brick (motor, with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
> - Flying Cloud (sail, with box keel) (8' x 4')
> - Power Yawlboat
> (similar to Fast Brick, but with sponsons)(11'4" x 5'3")
> Two "Super" versions of Fast Brick:
> - Fiddler II (15'10" x 6'8")
> - Watervan (22'9" x 8')
>
>
> Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
>
> And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
>
> Jim Michalak's series:
> - Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
> - Harmonica (13' x 5')
> - Shanteuse (16' x 6')
>
> svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
> - Sun Fish
> - Voyageur
> - Budget Houseboat
>
> A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
>
>
> And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various
designers.
>
> Feel free to complete this list.
> (Thanks, Nels, Graeme and Susan!)
>
> Stefan
> the collector
>
For those who are interested (and like to have this info handy
together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
rectangular water plane):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Superbrick (Brick Houseboat) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Fast Brick (motor, with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Flying Cloud (sail, with box keel) (8' x 4')
- Power Yawlboat
(similar to Fast Brick, but with sponsons)(11'4" x 5'3")
Two "Super" versions of Fast Brick:
- Fiddler II (15'10" x 6'8")
- Watervan (22'9" x 8')
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels, Graeme and Susan!)
Stefan
the collector
together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
rectangular water plane):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Superbrick (Brick Houseboat) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Fast Brick (motor, with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Flying Cloud (sail, with box keel) (8' x 4')
- Power Yawlboat
(similar to Fast Brick, but with sponsons)(11'4" x 5'3")
Two "Super" versions of Fast Brick:
- Fiddler II (15'10" x 6'8")
- Watervan (22'9" x 8')
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels, Graeme and Susan!)
Stefan
the collector
--- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
it in my archive. I have more than I know ;) and the problem with the
storage on Yahoo is, that the files are spread over quite a number of
groups, and directories ("files" and "photos"), so it takes sometimes
quite some time to find something.
Thanks again!
Stefan
>Thank you. Just a few minutes before your post came in, I discovered
> Here you go Stefan, it's in here:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Brick%20Dinghy/
it in my archive. I have more than I know ;) and the problem with the
storage on Yahoo is, that the files are spread over quite a number of
groups, and directories ("files" and "photos"), so it takes sometimes
quite some time to find something.
Thanks again!
Stefan
Here you go Stefan, it's in here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Brick%20Dinghy/
Reference was made, though not by name, to this FC exercise in the
MAIB write up of the Col H G Hasler design.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Brick%20Dinghy/
Reference was made, though not by name, to this FC exercise in the
MAIB write up of the Col H G Hasler design.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
> > Flying Cloud (box keel)
>
> Any link handy, so that we can see a bit more?
> (Besides its mentioning at
>http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archive.html)
>
> I will include in the next version also the Power Yawl Boat.
>
> Stefan
>
--- "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
(Besides its mentioning at
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archive.html)
I will include in the next version also the Power Yawl Boat.
Stefan
>Any link handy, so that we can see a bit more?
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@>
> wrote:
> (I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
> > like a long Brick?)
>
> Flying Cloud (box keel)
(Besides its mentioning at
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archive.html)
I will include in the next version also the Power Yawl Boat.
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
wrote:
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
Brick Gaffer
wrote:
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
> like a long Brick?)Flying Cloud (box keel)
Brick Gaffer
> - WatervanThere's also Fiddler II, which is sort of a smaller Watervan....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
For those who are interested (and like to have this info handy
together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
rectangular water plane):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels and Susan!)
Stefan
the collector
together), there are a number of very similar (i.e. open
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view, and
rectangular water plane):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Breakdown Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
The first two have enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels and Susan!)
Stefan
the collector
"Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
in that she has enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
There's also a breakdown version of Shoebox.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Shoebox is somewhat different from Tortoise/Big Tortoise/Brick/Skimmer
> If my memory serves me right, there are five very similar (i.e. open
> deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view):
>
> - Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
> - Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
in that she has enclosed watertight sponsons where the others are
simple open boats.
There's also a breakdown version of Shoebox.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
If my memory serves me right, there are five very similar (i.e. open
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
like a long Brick?)
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels!)
Stefan
the collector
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Skimmer (8' x 4')
- Brick (8' x 4')
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
like a long Brick?)
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
(Thanks, Nels!)
Stefan
the collector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote:
--
Susan Davis <can2@...>
>Hooray!
> But for those who are awaiting new plans, they are
> getting back on track and apologize for any delays.
> [T]hey are getting back to work on other longNo word of anything in the, oh, say, 60-foot range?
> delayed projects such as the AS-34 ocean going sharpie
> and an even bigger 50-something version.
--
Susan Davis <can2@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
Nels
> Feel free to complete this list.Skimmer
>
> Stefan
> the collector
>
Nels
--- "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Brick (8' x 4')
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
like a long Brick?)
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
Stefan
the collector
> ... plans for AURAY PUNT and what he calls "BIG TORTOISE"If my memory serves me right, there are four very similar (i.e. open
> (Much like a BRICK?)
deck) Bolger "real box boats" (i.e. rectangular plan view):
- Shoebox Punt (5'6" x 3'6")
- Tortoise (6'5" x 3'2")
- Big Tortoise (8' x 3'2") (Payson calls it [wrongly?] "Brick")
- Brick (8' x 4')
Then there is
- the Double Brick (two Bricks connected with a "Grout")
and then of course the "Derivatives":
- Fast Brick (with bow cutwater) (8' to 12' x 4')
- Superbrick (decked) (19'6" x 7'10")
- Watervan
(something like a "Super" version of Fast Brick)(22'9" x 8')
(I might be wrong, but wasn't there one more Brick version? Something
like a long Brick?)
Then we have the PDR (a direct Bolger Brick derivative).
And while we are on the rectangular boxes:
Jim Michalak's series:
- Dockbox (8' x 5'5")
- Harmonica (13' x 5')
- Shanteuse (16' x 6')
svensons.com and www.dngoodchild.com designs:
- Sun Fish
- Voyageur
- Budget Houseboat
A number of similar boats (called "Houseboat") on Bateau.com
And then a number of Jonsboats, PolePunters, etc. from various designers.
Feel free to complete this list.
Stefan
the collector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, rick barnes <barnesrickw@...> wrote:
NYMPH plans in his latest book, as well as plans for AURAY PUNT and
what he calls "BIG TORTOISE" (Much like a BRICK?)
This is what he says about building from the plans in the book:
..."Bolger gives just about every dimension you'll need, allowing you
to build the boats directly from the book if your eyesight is good and
you want to save a few bucks" The plan pages are remarkably clear and
and clean!
He still recommends purchasing the full-sized plans as they are cheap
and much easier to refer too, and build a model from.
The book also has a lot of other plans, useful tips, and information
anyway - even if you have his previous book - or buy the full-sized plans.
Nels
>It may also be helpful to know that Dynamite Payson includes RUBENS
> That is a great article. Thanks for sharing.
>
> Rick
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/projects/nymph/index.htm
>
NYMPH plans in his latest book, as well as plans for AURAY PUNT and
what he calls "BIG TORTOISE" (Much like a BRICK?)
This is what he says about building from the plans in the book:
..."Bolger gives just about every dimension you'll need, allowing you
to build the boats directly from the book if your eyesight is good and
you want to save a few bucks" The plan pages are remarkably clear and
and clean!
He still recommends purchasing the full-sized plans as they are cheap
and much easier to refer too, and build a model from.
The book also has a lot of other plans, useful tips, and information
anyway - even if you have his previous book - or buy the full-sized plans.
Nels
That is a great article. Thanks for sharing.
Rick
Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
Rick
Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, rick barnes <barnesrickw@...> wrote:
>
> Well, they are a simple enough boat to build, so I'll start with the
There's a neat article at Duck Works on building a NYMPH.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/projects/nymph/index.htm
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, rick barnes <barnesrickw@...> wrote:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/projects/nymph/index.htm
Nels
>There's a neat article at Duck Works on building a NYMPH.
> Well, they are a simple enough boat to build, so I'll start with the
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/projects/nymph/index.htm
Nels
Ha!
Have I got news!
I just spent the whole day with Phil and Susan talking
with them about our adventures aboard our AS-29.
I'm tired for tonight, but I will have a full report
tomorrow when I'm rested.
But for those who are awaiting new plans, they are
getting back on track and apologize for any delays.
They have been working on some "very sensible"
projects for the government and felt they had no
choice but to give them priority. These seem to be
done and they are getting back to work on other long
delayed projects such as the AS-34 ocean going sharpie
and an even bigger 50-something version.
(I got to see sneak peaks of both.)
More details of my visit with Mr. Bolger tomorrow.
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Have I got news!
I just spent the whole day with Phil and Susan talking
with them about our adventures aboard our AS-29.
I'm tired for tonight, but I will have a full report
tomorrow when I'm rested.
But for those who are awaiting new plans, they are
getting back on track and apologize for any delays.
They have been working on some "very sensible"
projects for the government and felt they had no
choice but to give them priority. These seem to be
done and they are getting back to work on other long
delayed projects such as the AS-34 ocean going sharpie
and an even bigger 50-something version.
(I got to see sneak peaks of both.)
More details of my visit with Mr. Bolger tomorrow.
--- Daniel Stewart <stewartd@...> wrote:
> Better to calculate than rely on intuition when it____________________________________________________________________________________
> comes to buoyancy!
> Having done so: at 6' by 5" (or so) these tubes
> displace about 45
> lbs--way less than I guessed. I think it's still
> enough to be useful
> but thanks for the correction.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome
> <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
> >
> > If the "pool noodles" you're referring to are 6
> feet long and 4
> inches in
> > diameter they will provide at most 32 pounds of
> flotation each, or
> about 1/3
> > of your guesstimate.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ken Grome
> > Bagacay Boatworks
> > www.bagacayboatworks.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday 01 June 2007 06:01:25 pm Daniel Stewart
> wrote:
> > > I plan to get two of those
> > > long foam tubes that small kids use for
> swimming and lash them under
> > > the gunwales--they're about six feet long and
> should provide 200 lbs
> > > or so of flotation and make it difficult in
> particular to roll the
> > > gunwales under.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
>
>
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Better to calculate than rely on intuition when it comes to buoyancy!
Having done so: at 6' by 5" (or so) these tubes displace about 45
lbs--way less than I guessed. I think it's still enough to be useful
but thanks for the correction.
Dan
Having done so: at 6' by 5" (or so) these tubes displace about 45
lbs--way less than I guessed. I think it's still enough to be useful
but thanks for the correction.
Dan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
>
> If the "pool noodles" you're referring to are 6 feet long and 4
inches in
> diameter they will provide at most 32 pounds of flotation each, or
about 1/3
> of your guesstimate.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
>
>
>
> On Friday 01 June 2007 06:01:25 pm Daniel Stewart wrote:
> > I plan to get two of those
> > long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
> > the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
> > or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
> > gunwales under.
>
>
>
> --
>
Well, they are a simple enough boat to build, so I'll start with the Rubens, and maybe build a regular Nymph in the not so distant future. They are a bit prettier with the thinner lines. The one I saw built and taped in action was done by one who is less than agile, so some of the sailing issues could have been his own, not the boats. I have found with the boat I built, and by reading others reports, that Bolger's boats tend to do what they were designed to do well.
Rick
ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
It's no problem at all getting from the Nymph onto the
boat or visa versa. Like your piroug she has a lot
more reserve bouyancy than you expect, so you can
stand on the bottom of the hull to either side of the
fore/aft seat thwart (I forget what it's called but
it's a great idea), without even coming close to
tipping her. The only problem is you have to remind
passengers not familiar with the dinghy to step down
onto the hull bottom, not the seat. Most people don't
want to step down onto the seemingly small floor area,
and if they step onto the seat the center of gravity
is too high and they can be thrown into the water, or
at least be given a good scare. I always get into the
dinghy first now to stabilize her for oncoming
passengers who don't know her.
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Rick
ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
It's no problem at all getting from the Nymph onto the
boat or visa versa. Like your piroug she has a lot
more reserve bouyancy than you expect, so you can
stand on the bottom of the hull to either side of the
fore/aft seat thwart (I forget what it's called but
it's a great idea), without even coming close to
tipping her. The only problem is you have to remind
passengers not familiar with the dinghy to step down
onto the hull bottom, not the seat. Most people don't
want to step down onto the seemingly small floor area,
and if they step onto the seat the center of gravity
is too high and they can be thrown into the water, or
at least be given a good scare. I always get into the
dinghy first now to stabilize her for oncoming
passengers who don't know her.
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I think that is a cool idea with the foam tubes, and the red and green is a perfectly practical application. Let me know how that turns out on Nymph. How do you plan on lashing them?
Rick
Daniel Stewart <stewartd@...> wrote:
I've never been in a Nymph but I'm halfway through building one--the
bilge pieces go on today. Having read that the Nymph is a bit tippy
and since there is no buoyancy built in, I plan to get two of those
long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
gunwales under. They will also serve as permanent fenders. This is not
my original idea, I wish it were--I read it somewhere but can't
remember the details.
For the sake of mischief the starboard one will be green and the port,
red.
Daniel
Rick
Daniel Stewart <stewartd@...> wrote:
I've never been in a Nymph but I'm halfway through building one--the
bilge pieces go on today. Having read that the Nymph is a bit tippy
and since there is no buoyancy built in, I plan to get two of those
long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
gunwales under. They will also serve as permanent fenders. This is not
my original idea, I wish it were--I read it somewhere but can't
remember the details.
For the sake of mischief the starboard one will be green and the port,
red.
Daniel
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a Nymph for close to 20 years now. She's a
> great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
> go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
> use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
> with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
> lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
> many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
> has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
> never sailed her but have talked to people that have
> and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
> constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
> with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
> our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
> of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
> she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
> I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
> the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
> hull design and characteristics they can't be as
> functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
> and faster to build.
>
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It's no problem at all getting from the Nymph onto the
boat or visa versa. Like your piroug she has a lot
more reserve bouyancy than you expect, so you can
stand on the bottom of the hull to either side of the
fore/aft seat thwart (I forget what it's called but
it's a great idea), without even coming close to
tipping her. The only problem is you have to remind
passengers not familiar with the dinghy to step down
onto the hull bottom, not the seat. Most people don't
want to step down onto the seemingly small floor area,
and if they step onto the seat the center of gravity
is too high and they can be thrown into the water, or
at least be given a good scare. I always get into the
dinghy first now to stabilize her for oncoming
passengers who don't know her.
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boat or visa versa. Like your piroug she has a lot
more reserve bouyancy than you expect, so you can
stand on the bottom of the hull to either side of the
fore/aft seat thwart (I forget what it's called but
it's a great idea), without even coming close to
tipping her. The only problem is you have to remind
passengers not familiar with the dinghy to step down
onto the hull bottom, not the seat. Most people don't
want to step down onto the seemingly small floor area,
and if they step onto the seat the center of gravity
is too high and they can be thrown into the water, or
at least be given a good scare. I always get into the
dinghy first now to stabilize her for oncoming
passengers who don't know her.
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If the "pool noodles" you're referring to are 6 feet long and 4 inches in
diameter they will provide at most 32 pounds of flotation each, or about 1/3
of your guesstimate.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
diameter they will provide at most 32 pounds of flotation each, or about 1/3
of your guesstimate.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
On Friday 01 June 2007 06:01:25 pm Daniel Stewart wrote:
> I plan to get two of those
> long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
> the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
> or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
> gunwales under.
--
I've never been in a Nymph but I'm halfway through building one--the
bilge pieces go on today. Having read that the Nymph is a bit tippy
and since there is no buoyancy built in, I plan to get two of those
long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
gunwales under. They will also serve as permanent fenders. This is not
my original idea, I wish it were--I read it somewhere but can't
remember the details.
For the sake of mischief the starboard one will be green and the port,
red.
Daniel
bilge pieces go on today. Having read that the Nymph is a bit tippy
and since there is no buoyancy built in, I plan to get two of those
long foam tubes that small kids use for swimming and lash them under
the gunwales--they're about six feet long and should provide 200 lbs
or so of flotation and make it difficult in particular to roll the
gunwales under. They will also serve as permanent fenders. This is not
my original idea, I wish it were--I read it somewhere but can't
remember the details.
For the sake of mischief the starboard one will be green and the port,
red.
Daniel
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
>
> I've had a Nymph for close to 20 years now. She's a
> great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
> go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
> use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
> with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
> lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
> many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
> has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
> never sailed her but have talked to people that have
> and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
> constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
> with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
> our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
> of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
> she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
> I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
> the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
> hull design and characteristics they can't be as
> functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
> and faster to build.
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I am glad to hear your review of Nymph. I just cut out some templates so I can make Ruben's Nymph. I really did not see my wife enjoying the "tenderness" of nymph, which I can guess is a bit unnerving to those not use to it.
I have a Payson Piroug, and the first one I built, I gave to a friend because it scared me to paddle. Then I found it will only go over so far, and no further. After that, I have had it a mile off shore in Lake Michigan. I built it I think in the early 90's out of luan. Some kind of free cloth I got from a roofer who does flat roofs, and epoxy. It needs some work where I had it varnished, not painted, but other than that, it has held together well, and paddles like a dream.
I am planning on using my Nymph as a tender for my plastic boat. how would you describe getting into the mother boat, and back into Nymph at the mooring?
Rick
ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
I've had a Nymph for close to 20 years now. She's a
great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
never sailed her but have talked to people that have
and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
hull design and characteristics they can't be as
functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
and faster to build.
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I have a Payson Piroug, and the first one I built, I gave to a friend because it scared me to paddle. Then I found it will only go over so far, and no further. After that, I have had it a mile off shore in Lake Michigan. I built it I think in the early 90's out of luan. Some kind of free cloth I got from a roofer who does flat roofs, and epoxy. It needs some work where I had it varnished, not painted, but other than that, it has held together well, and paddles like a dream.
I am planning on using my Nymph as a tender for my plastic boat. how would you describe getting into the mother boat, and back into Nymph at the mooring?
Rick
ira einsteen <einsteen@...> wrote:
I've had a Nymph for close to 20 years now. She's a
great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
never sailed her but have talked to people that have
and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
hull design and characteristics they can't be as
functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
and faster to build.
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You might also want to look at a "Tender Behind" or "Sherpa" (both J.
Welsford, plans on Duckworks)
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/index.htm.
Stefan
Welsford, plans on Duckworks)
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/index.htm.
Stefan
I've had a Nymph for close to 20 years now. She's a
great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
never sailed her but have talked to people that have
and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
hull design and characteristics they can't be as
functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
and faster to build.
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great dinghy. She seems a bit tender but will only
go over so far unless you really try to tip her. I
use her with 2 adults all the time (325 lbs.of crew),
with those same 2 adults and 2 dogs quite often (450
lbs. of crew), and the same 2 adults and 2 kids in her
many times when conditions were calm. (500+ lbs.) She
has plenty of freeboard and is a dream to row. I've
never sailed her but have talked to people that have
and they've been impressed with her. She tows well. I
constructed her with exterior A/B ply and sheathed her
with 6 oz. cloth and polyester resin. She's kept at
our harbor dinghy rack, outdoors, 24/7 365, and short
of patching some fiberglass from dragging over rocks
she's never needed any serious work. As you can tell
I've been very happy with her. I don't know firsthand
the tortoise or the brick, but from what I do know of
hull design and characteristics they can't be as
functional as a nymph, though admittedly a bit easier
and faster to build.
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Good on, Ron! Sounds like just the sort of dinghy I seek. And Paul
T., this dinghy's soulmate would indeed be a Chebacco. Thanks for
comments.
T., this dinghy's soulmate would indeed be a Chebacco. Thanks for
comments.
Dick,
Read all the responses to date. All the 'answers' seem to be missing the
obvious . . . or am I particularly dense . . . 'RUBENS Nymph'.
She has the same sheer and rocker as the 'original', but with 12 inches
more beam her stiffness goes up. {About 8 - 10 years ago I built one
'Yacht Finish' for a gentleman who's wife had a movement & balance
disability. Did the job perfectly.}In addition, the fore-&-aft thwart
allows the rower to easily shift position to balance whatever the load.
The 'break' in that thwart also increases 'boarding stability' by
letting the occupants to step down on the bottom, rather then on the
raised thwart.
I modified the scantlings slightly. While/4in EXTERIOR Lauan was used
for the hull, 1/2in CDX ply was used for the frames, and 3/4in Mahogany
for the transoms and thwart - which were finished 'Bright'. The outside
was sheathed with 6oz 'glass & epoxy. Then primed & painted. The
interior received 2 coats of primer and 3 coats of paint.
When I saw her 7 years later, she was lying upside down, on the ground,
her skeg broken off and filthy as hell. She had probably received no
maintenance at all, yet the paint was intact and the hull solid. Sadly,
while the transoms just looked dull, . . . The owner had decided to put
some 'draw handles' on the stern, and a towing 'eye' through the bow. He
didn't bother to seal the drilled holes, or bed the fittings. Also he
stored the boat directly on open, tire rutted, ground. The transoms were
basically 'hollow', the insides rotted away.
The point is . . . do a good job now, store her dry & under a simple
tarp, and she will have a long life . . .
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
Read all the responses to date. All the 'answers' seem to be missing the
obvious . . . or am I particularly dense . . . 'RUBENS Nymph'.
She has the same sheer and rocker as the 'original', but with 12 inches
more beam her stiffness goes up. {About 8 - 10 years ago I built one
'Yacht Finish' for a gentleman who's wife had a movement & balance
disability. Did the job perfectly.}In addition, the fore-&-aft thwart
allows the rower to easily shift position to balance whatever the load.
The 'break' in that thwart also increases 'boarding stability' by
letting the occupants to step down on the bottom, rather then on the
raised thwart.
I modified the scantlings slightly. While/4in EXTERIOR Lauan was used
for the hull, 1/2in CDX ply was used for the frames, and 3/4in Mahogany
for the transoms and thwart - which were finished 'Bright'. The outside
was sheathed with 6oz 'glass & epoxy. Then primed & painted. The
interior received 2 coats of primer and 3 coats of paint.
When I saw her 7 years later, she was lying upside down, on the ground,
her skeg broken off and filthy as hell. She had probably received no
maintenance at all, yet the paint was intact and the hull solid. Sadly,
while the transoms just looked dull, . . . The owner had decided to put
some 'draw handles' on the stern, and a towing 'eye' through the bow. He
didn't bother to seal the drilled holes, or bed the fittings. Also he
stored the boat directly on open, tire rutted, ground. The transoms were
basically 'hollow', the insides rotted away.
The point is . . . do a good job now, store her dry & under a simple
tarp, and she will have a long life . . .
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
> 2a. Nymph dinghyrank.beginner
> Posted by: "rank.beginner"dickburnham@...
> Date: Tue May 29, 2007 2:00 pm ((PDT))the
>
> Possibly in need of a dinghy, and the Nymph, short version, catches
> eye. Comments and thoughts of the clarifying, sharpening sort sought.
>
> SNIP
The Elegant punt is as quick a build for a dinghy as you can get. Using
PL Premium a staple gun, AC plywood and hand me down latex I built one
for $60 and 20 hrs. Easy to fiberglas the bottom, I didn't bother as I
regard it as a throwaway boat.
HJ
rank.beginner wrote:
PL Premium a staple gun, AC plywood and hand me down latex I built one
for $60 and 20 hrs. Easy to fiberglas the bottom, I didn't bother as I
regard it as a throwaway boat.
HJ
rank.beginner wrote:
> Paul -- What did you sail that she towed like a charm? Sounds like
> might be okay, but the "tender" and the barely holds 2 are serious
> reasons, for the time being, to continue looking elsewhere for a dinghy
> design. Bolger suggested his June Bug to Bill Samson but that's much
> more than a knock-off sort of endeavor as well as more costly and
> heavier and not so readily towed or tossed in the back of the truck.
>
>
>
> Shoebox, the safer boat because of its foam filled side decks.Filling the long seat of the Tortoise with foam is a PCB approved
option, and would make the Tortoise a great 'positively buoyant'
lifeboat.
This boat was the mothership:
http://www.chebacco.com/articles/014/5/article.htm
http://www.chebacco.com/articles/014/5/article.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote:
>
> Paul -- What did you sail that she towed like a charm? Sounds like
> might be okay, but the "tender" and the barely holds 2 are serious
> reasons, for the time being, to continue looking elsewhere for a dinghy
> design. Bolger suggested his June Bug to Bill Samson but that's much
> more than a knock-off sort of endeavor as well as more costly and
> heavier and not so readily towed or tossed in the back of the truck.
>
I second the choice of the Tortoise. Owning a four foot wide Nymph,
a Tortoise and a Shoebox, gives me some perspective. The Nymph tows,
rows, and sails well but the boxy boats provide more load carrying
for the size. The Shoebox while more extreme ( 5'6" x 3'2" ) may be
the safer boat because of its foam filled side decks. I built the
Nymph, thinking I needed more dinghy for my AS29, but have reverted
to the Shoebox. It's small, light, and convenient and those side
decks allow launching and recovery on its side safely. I'm also
confident that no one will steal it!
Jim Hagan
<http://pandoradom.org>
hagan@...
a Tortoise and a Shoebox, gives me some perspective. The Nymph tows,
rows, and sails well but the boxy boats provide more load carrying
for the size. The Shoebox while more extreme ( 5'6" x 3'2" ) may be
the safer boat because of its foam filled side decks. I built the
Nymph, thinking I needed more dinghy for my AS29, but have reverted
to the Shoebox. It's small, light, and convenient and those side
decks allow launching and recovery on its side safely. I'm also
confident that no one will steal it!
Jim Hagan
<http://pandoradom.org>
hagan@...
On May 30, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Consider also a Bolger Tortoise. Very quick to build. They have
> maximum capacity in a minimum footprint. Tow nicely, and can carry
> two adults plus gear. And are stable enough to stand up in without
> feeling too insecure.
Consider also a Bolger Tortoise. Very quick to build. They have
maximum capacity in a minimum footprint. Tow nicely, and can carry
two adults plus gear. And are stable enough to stand up in without
feeling too insecure.
maximum capacity in a minimum footprint. Tow nicely, and can carry
two adults plus gear. And are stable enough to stand up in without
feeling too insecure.
Paul -- What did you sail that she towed like a charm? Sounds like
might be okay, but the "tender" and the barely holds 2 are serious
reasons, for the time being, to continue looking elsewhere for a dinghy
design. Bolger suggested his June Bug to Bill Samson but that's much
more than a knock-off sort of endeavor as well as more costly and
heavier and not so readily towed or tossed in the back of the truck.
might be okay, but the "tender" and the barely holds 2 are serious
reasons, for the time being, to continue looking elsewhere for a dinghy
design. Bolger suggested his June Bug to Bill Samson but that's much
more than a knock-off sort of endeavor as well as more costly and
heavier and not so readily towed or tossed in the back of the truck.
I built a Nymph using Luaun with 6 oz cloth all over the outside. Very
satisfactory dinghy. Barely large enough for 2 full-size adults.
Pluses:
Quick and easy to build - about 30 hrs.
Lightweight - about 40 lbs. Easily carried by one person.
Rows very well.
Tows like a charm. Towed mine 3000 miles and it never shipped a drop.
Minuses:
Quite tender.
Paul
satisfactory dinghy. Barely large enough for 2 full-size adults.
Pluses:
Quick and easy to build - about 30 hrs.
Lightweight - about 40 lbs. Easily carried by one person.
Rows very well.
Tows like a charm. Towed mine 3000 miles and it never shipped a drop.
Minuses:
Quite tender.
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote:
>
> Possibly in need of a dinghy, and the Nymph, short version, catches the
> eye. Comments and thoughts of the clarifying, sharpening sort sought.
>
> Construction questions: The 1/4" ply is some sort of construction-
> grade CDX? Local store sells luan only in 1/4" and I'm not too
> confident about it -- must check out the big mall stores for Doug Fir
> or Southen Yel. Pine in this thin stuff. Bottom would be with
> epoxy/fabric but sides could be painted ply? Bilge panels epoxy/fabric
> or paint? To be a rough-and-tumble dinghy, left ashore overnights with
> chain around a tree, dragged over rocks. A couple of ash strips along
> bottom might improve durability?
>
> Stabilty and size: Okay for 2? Tippy? For rowing/paddling. Not for
> sailing nor motoring.
>
> Use: going from dock to moored boat about 50 yards out there --
> sometimes whitecaps and 1-2' swells.
>
Possibly in need of a dinghy, and the Nymph, short version, catches the
eye. Comments and thoughts of the clarifying, sharpening sort sought.
Construction questions: The 1/4" ply is some sort of construction-
grade CDX? Local store sells luan only in 1/4" and I'm not too
confident about it -- must check out the big mall stores for Doug Fir
or Southen Yel. Pine in this thin stuff. Bottom would be with
epoxy/fabric but sides could be painted ply? Bilge panels epoxy/fabric
or paint? To be a rough-and-tumble dinghy, left ashore overnights with
chain around a tree, dragged over rocks. A couple of ash strips along
bottom might improve durability?
Stabilty and size: Okay for 2? Tippy? For rowing/paddling. Not for
sailing nor motoring.
Use: going from dock to moored boat about 50 yards out there --
sometimes whitecaps and 1-2' swells.
eye. Comments and thoughts of the clarifying, sharpening sort sought.
Construction questions: The 1/4" ply is some sort of construction-
grade CDX? Local store sells luan only in 1/4" and I'm not too
confident about it -- must check out the big mall stores for Doug Fir
or Southen Yel. Pine in this thin stuff. Bottom would be with
epoxy/fabric but sides could be painted ply? Bilge panels epoxy/fabric
or paint? To be a rough-and-tumble dinghy, left ashore overnights with
chain around a tree, dragged over rocks. A couple of ash strips along
bottom might improve durability?
Stabilty and size: Okay for 2? Tippy? For rowing/paddling. Not for
sailing nor motoring.
Use: going from dock to moored boat about 50 yards out there --
sometimes whitecaps and 1-2' swells.