Re: [bolger] sneakeasy plans
On Jan 10, 2008 11:13 AM, superpum <superpum@...> wrote:
with two drawings, the body plan sheet and the bulkhead sheet) in an
old, hard to find out-of-print magazine, _Small Boat Journal_. Vol 61
(June/July 1988). That magazine article was reprinted as a chapter in
the excellent Bolger book, which is still in print, Boats With an Open
Mind. Such a favorite book of mine. I have read it over and over
many times.
>For what it is worth, Sneakeasy was originally described (complete
> Hi everybody,
> I´ve already bought the book to see how the plans look like and if i
> can do it. thanks to all that replyed my questions and sorry if my
> english is too bad ,
> thanks Rodrigo
with two drawings, the body plan sheet and the bulkhead sheet) in an
old, hard to find out-of-print magazine, _Small Boat Journal_. Vol 61
(June/July 1988). That magazine article was reprinted as a chapter in
the excellent Bolger book, which is still in print, Boats With an Open
Mind. Such a favorite book of mine. I have read it over and over
many times.
Hi everybody,
I´ve already bought the book to see how the plans look like and if i
can do it. thanks to all that replyed my questions and sorry if my
english is too bad ,
thanks Rodrigo
I´ve already bought the book to see how the plans look like and if i
can do it. thanks to all that replyed my questions and sorry if my
english is too bad ,
thanks Rodrigo
Having built the box version, opportunities to compare A-B might be
few and far between. My opinion is the box version might pound less
in rough water at speed (say my 25 hp), and in fact it pounds very
little unless loaded with people. My guess would be at slower speeds,
you'd simply have more wetted surface, which would be a disadvantage
of the box version. However, I'd also expect the box to be stronger
and oil-can less. I think the box version's generally a better design
and looks less slab-sided.
My sense, also, is that my boat (either version) would benefit from a
very slick bottom. Even at WOT, the water "squirts" off near or just
behind the pilot, so it's planing, but there's a lot of bottom in
contact with the water.
I guess that is you took some care to fair and slick up the bottom,
you'd be better off with the box version.
Gregg Carlson
few and far between. My opinion is the box version might pound less
in rough water at speed (say my 25 hp), and in fact it pounds very
little unless loaded with people. My guess would be at slower speeds,
you'd simply have more wetted surface, which would be a disadvantage
of the box version. However, I'd also expect the box to be stronger
and oil-can less. I think the box version's generally a better design
and looks less slab-sided.
My sense, also, is that my boat (either version) would benefit from a
very slick bottom. Even at WOT, the water "squirts" off near or just
behind the pilot, so it's planing, but there's a lot of bottom in
contact with the water.
I guess that is you took some care to fair and slick up the bottom,
you'd be better off with the box version.
Gregg Carlson
> How does the box keel version compare to the flat bottom version at
> lower speeds? My search shows there seems to be a noticable
> advantage at higher planing speeds in rough water but I have found
> no info about if it is worthwile a lower speeds like with a 10HP or
> less outboard on the Sneakeasy.
>
> Ron
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
lower speeds? My search shows there seems to be a noticable
advantage at higher planing speeds in rough water but I have found
no info about if it is worthwile a lower speeds like with a 10HP or
less outboard on the Sneakeasy.
Thanks,
Ron
>original
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene T <goldranger02-boats@> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't been in this whole thing but.... Payson has the
> flat bottom boat. Doesn't PB&F also have a new version with a boxkeel?
> >maybe?
> > Sincerely, Gene T.
> >
> There is an article from our esteemed moderator about a box keel
> version here:
>
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html
>
> Certainly worth considering if one wants to go faster in safety
>How does the box keel version compare to the flat bottom version at
> Nels
>
lower speeds? My search shows there seems to be a noticable
advantage at higher planing speeds in rough water but I have found
no info about if it is worthwile a lower speeds like with a 10HP or
less outboard on the Sneakeasy.
Thanks,
Ron
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene T <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
version here:
http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html
Certainly worth considering if one wants to go faster in safety maybe?
Nels
>flat bottom boat. Doesn't PB&F also have a new version with a box keel?
> I haven't been in this whole thing but.... Payson has the original
>There is an article from our esteemed moderator about a box keel
> Sincerely, Gene T.
>
version here:
http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html
Certainly worth considering if one wants to go faster in safety maybe?
Nels
I haven't been in this whole thing but.... Payson has the original flat bottom boat. Doesn't PB&F also have a new version with a box keel?
Sincerely, Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Nels <arvent@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 12:14:36 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: sneakeasy plans
Sincerely, Gene T.
"A house ashore is but a boat, so poorly
built it will not float ---- "
----- Original Message ----
From: Nels <arvent@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 12:14:36 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: sneakeasy plans
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "Bill Godwin" <billjoat@.. .> wrote:
>
> I read the topic on micro plans; now where is the best place to get
> sneakeasy plans?
>
SNEAKEASY plans are available for $35 from Dynamite Payson.
http://www.instantboats.com/ sneakeasy. htm
There are also some links to building information.
Dynamite is a valid broker for all the plans shown at his website. The
plans are also in his latest book, "Instant Boatbuilding by Dynamite
Payson", which also gives a lot of information about his partnership
with Bolger.
However the plans are not to scale, so I would get both the book and a
set of full-sized plans. These are "older type" plans so one needs to
use a scale rule more often I would think. There is no "building key"
like that included in MICRO plans.
Also I think the plans come folded in an envelope rather than the
"famous blue mailing tube" - but are otherwise identical.
Nels
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You can get them from Bolger or from Payson
http://www.instantboats.com/
Both require putting a check in the mail but the response is very fast.
I live in Alaska and I always get plans back from Payson in a week.
HJ
Bill Godwin wrote:
http://www.instantboats.com/
Both require putting a check in the mail but the response is very fast.
I live in Alaska and I always get plans back from Payson in a week.
HJ
Bill Godwin wrote:
> I read the topic on micro plans; now where is the best place to get
> sneakeasy plans?
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
Nels
> <smile> Not to rock your world, but the last mailing tube I got fromI think those are reserved for the "Bling Boat" designs:-)
> PB&F was red!
>
Nels
> Also I think the plans come folded in an envelope rather than the<smile> Not to rock your world, but the last mailing tube I got from
> "famous blue mailing tube" - but are otherwise identical.
PB&F was red!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Godwin" <billjoat@...> wrote:
http://www.instantboats.com/sneakeasy.htm
There are also some links to building information.
Dynamite is a valid broker for all the plans shown at his website. The
plans are also in his latest book, "Instant Boatbuilding by Dynamite
Payson", which also gives a lot of information about his partnership
with Bolger.
However the plans are not to scale, so I would get both the book and a
set of full-sized plans. These are "older type" plans so one needs to
use a scale rule more often I would think. There is no "building key"
like that included in MICRO plans.
Also I think the plans come folded in an envelope rather than the
"famous blue mailing tube" - but are otherwise identical.
Nels
>SNEAKEASY plans are available for $35 from Dynamite Payson.
> I read the topic on micro plans; now where is the best place to get
> sneakeasy plans?
>
http://www.instantboats.com/sneakeasy.htm
There are also some links to building information.
Dynamite is a valid broker for all the plans shown at his website. The
plans are also in his latest book, "Instant Boatbuilding by Dynamite
Payson", which also gives a lot of information about his partnership
with Bolger.
However the plans are not to scale, so I would get both the book and a
set of full-sized plans. These are "older type" plans so one needs to
use a scale rule more often I would think. There is no "building key"
like that included in MICRO plans.
Also I think the plans come folded in an envelope rather than the
"famous blue mailing tube" - but are otherwise identical.
Nels
I read the topic on micro plans; now where is the best place to get
sneakeasy plans?
sneakeasy plans?