Re: re Folding Schooner
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lordborrolan" <lordborrolan@...> wrote:
I couldn't get the second link to open that showed the second method.
However I can't imagine me lifting and lowering the forward section
without *some* sort of mechanical assistance. Besides being old, I am
also lazy:-)
At Paysons plans location he states the FS as designed requires 14
sheets of plywood. Two 15.5' skiffs joined in the middle.
http://www.instantboats.com/fschooner.htm
You might get some idea of weights from looking at Jim Michalak's
plans. Here is one example - a 15.5 X 5 ft. power skiff at 350 pounds.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/af4/breve/index.htm
The same sailing version only a bit longer is only 250 pounds.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/af3/index.htm
And another BW style Jon boat at 300 pounds, which might give an
indication of the stern section.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/campjon/index.htm
If you joined the two cabins that would add some more weight - plus
and additional layer of ply on the bottom - might perhaps suggest an
"educated guess" of 450 pounds per section.
Still - a 31 foot schooner coming in under 1000 pounds might be
considered extremely light weight in most eyes?
I will try to post a diagram of the winching arrangement that might
work, guided with some assistance by a crew member.
Could it also work with a single leeboard that Michalak uses on many
of his sailboats up to 32 feet in length? Or the weighted daggerboard
like the Single Handed Schooner?
Or perhaps a swing keel like the I60? There is a guy in the UK who has
designed a simple version therof. I will try to find the link.
Nels
>Hi Kev,
> Hi Guy's, Just a thought, but how much weight is actually involved
> with folding, some say loads, others say different, phk 58 (mostly
> harmless photos of the folding schooner, on webshots) has a photo of
> two people with a schooner on it's side and (I pressume) begining to
> be folded, another site (www.hmshft.org) has a series of photos
> showing a system of opening a schooner on its trailer, with a wacking
> great pole, and rope around the main mast to lower it into position.
> Mr. Bolger says that he opened and closed a schooner on his own, so
> how much additional weight would be too much ???.
I couldn't get the second link to open that showed the second method.
However I can't imagine me lifting and lowering the forward section
without *some* sort of mechanical assistance. Besides being old, I am
also lazy:-)
At Paysons plans location he states the FS as designed requires 14
sheets of plywood. Two 15.5' skiffs joined in the middle.
http://www.instantboats.com/fschooner.htm
You might get some idea of weights from looking at Jim Michalak's
plans. Here is one example - a 15.5 X 5 ft. power skiff at 350 pounds.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/af4/breve/index.htm
The same sailing version only a bit longer is only 250 pounds.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/af3/index.htm
And another BW style Jon boat at 300 pounds, which might give an
indication of the stern section.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/campjon/index.htm
If you joined the two cabins that would add some more weight - plus
and additional layer of ply on the bottom - might perhaps suggest an
"educated guess" of 450 pounds per section.
Still - a 31 foot schooner coming in under 1000 pounds might be
considered extremely light weight in most eyes?
I will try to post a diagram of the winching arrangement that might
work, guided with some assistance by a crew member.
Could it also work with a single leeboard that Michalak uses on many
of his sailboats up to 32 feet in length? Or the weighted daggerboard
like the Single Handed Schooner?
Or perhaps a swing keel like the I60? There is a guy in the UK who has
designed a simple version therof. I will try to find the link.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lordborrolan" <lordborrolan@...> wrote:
weight it adds to the boat (answer: not much), or do you want to know
the heaviest load that you'll have to manipulate during
folding/unfolding? If the latter, probably about half the weight of a
15' skiff, I'd guess -- and a lot more if you add decks, cabins,
accomodations, and so forth to the thing.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>What do you mean by "how much weight?" Are you asking how much extra
> Hi Guy's, Just a thought, but how much weight is actually involved
> with folding
weight it adds to the boat (answer: not much), or do you want to know
the heaviest load that you'll have to manipulate during
folding/unfolding? If the latter, probably about half the weight of a
15' skiff, I'd guess -- and a lot more if you add decks, cabins,
accomodations, and so forth to the thing.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Hi Guy's, Just a thought, but how much weight is actually involved
with folding, some say loads, others say different, phk 58 (mostly
harmless photos of the folding schooner, on webshots) has a photo of
two people with a schooner on it's side and (I pressume) begining to
be folded, another site (www.hmshft.org) has a series of photos
showing a system of opening a schooner on its trailer, with a wacking
great pole, and rope around the main mast to lower it into position.
Mr. Bolger says that he opened and closed a schooner on his own, so
how much additional weight would be too much ???.
with folding, some say loads, others say different, phk 58 (mostly
harmless photos of the folding schooner, on webshots) has a photo of
two people with a schooner on it's side and (I pressume) begining to
be folded, another site (www.hmshft.org) has a series of photos
showing a system of opening a schooner on its trailer, with a wacking
great pole, and rope around the main mast to lower it into position.
Mr. Bolger says that he opened and closed a schooner on his own, so
how much additional weight would be too much ???.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lordborrolan" <lordborrolan@...> wrote:
photo's of folding schooners on the net (phk 58's
> on "webshots" site), always look great.
Some fatastic photos! Looks like this version has a 2nd steering
station in the forward cockpit. Would be interesting to know the
details on that.
Nels
Thank you Gene, the Folding Schooner it is then, I've loved the idea
of the boat since I first saw it, and being able to trailer and even
dry store a 31' sharpie schooner, with relative ease, is fantastic.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a ready built fibre glass cruiser,
(the Liesure 17), but if I did, I'd still want to build and sail the
schooner, photo's of folding schooners on the net (phk 58's
on "webshots" site), always look great. There is (to me) a mystique
about the craft, a romance to it, fast, able, sleek, a sort of poetry,
(I haven't spoken like this since I fell in love with a Suzuki
motorcycle when I was 18). All I really wanted was constructive
advise, as I think I've come up with a good formula, for coastal
adventures.
of the boat since I first saw it, and being able to trailer and even
dry store a 31' sharpie schooner, with relative ease, is fantastic.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a ready built fibre glass cruiser,
(the Liesure 17), but if I did, I'd still want to build and sail the
schooner, photo's of folding schooners on the net (phk 58's
on "webshots" site), always look great. There is (to me) a mystique
about the craft, a romance to it, fast, able, sleek, a sort of poetry,
(I haven't spoken like this since I fell in love with a Suzuki
motorcycle when I was 18). All I really wanted was constructive
advise, as I think I've come up with a good formula, for coastal
adventures.