Re: [bolger] Re: Got plans...Can't read'em
Given a set of offsets, you could draw the boat. Numbers you are not
sure of on the plans should correspond to numbers or measurments in the
offsets. There is an interesting article in the latest(May/June)
WoodenBoat, about lofting 1/4 size and picking up the shapes you need.
Clyde PS,most of PCB's boats are hard chined and these are easier to
learn to loft.
Bill Godwin wrote:
sure of on the plans should correspond to numbers or measurments in the
offsets. There is an interesting article in the latest(May/June)
WoodenBoat, about lofting 1/4 size and picking up the shapes you need.
Clyde PS,most of PCB's boats are hard chined and these are easier to
learn to loft.
Bill Godwin wrote:
> Great!! can't wait to understand this to the fullest. My plan has[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 3/4"=1'.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> catboat15@... wrote:
>
> > Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch
> on the
> > plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the
> architects scale for
> > that.
>
>
As a kid in New England I was taught the feet-inches-eighths method of measuring and cutting lumber. If a plus sign followed the measurement it meant leave the pencil line showing on the finished piece when cutting the plank, a minus sign meant cut the pencil line off. No sign meant split the pencil line with the saw cut..
Rick
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
In home building doing siding I teach the employes to do inches
1/8ths and use + or -. The ones that use + all the time have a good
attitude the ones that use - have a bad. So you teach all to use +
only and it actualy inproves there attitude. Just food for thought on
life and the designer of what you are working on.
Jon
Rick
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
In home building doing siding I teach the employes to do inches
1/8ths and use + or -. The ones that use + all the time have a good
attitude the ones that use - have a bad. So you teach all to use +
only and it actualy inproves there attitude. Just food for thought on
life and the designer of what you are working on.
Jon
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:get
> >
> > They are feet- inches and 1/8th's . If there is a plus or minus
> then it
> > is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should
> be
> > from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the
> sides, but
> > I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you
> yourbend
> > hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines,
> usually
> > every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
> > measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark,
> a[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
> >
> > HJ
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Weston Farmer in his book "From my Old Boatshop" has a good chapter on
model building in 3/4 in scale and all the benefits that accrue in that
scale, it isn't just the 1/16th to a foot. I was going to recommend
going to Bookfinder.com for a copy but I see that the two copies listed
are over $!00. Use plan B-- interlibrary loan.
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
model building in 3/4 in scale and all the benefits that accrue in that
scale, it isn't just the 1/16th to a foot. I was going to recommend
going to Bookfinder.com for a copy but I see that the two copies listed
are over $!00. Use plan B-- interlibrary loan.
HJ
derbyrm wrote:
> That's also a very convenient scale in that 1/16" on the plan equals 1" on the boat. Most scales are marked with 16ths.
>
> Roger
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>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Godwin
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:11 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Got plans...Can't read'em
>
>
> Great!! can't wait to understand this to the fullest. My plan has
> 3/4"=1'.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, catboat15@... wrote:
>
> > Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch
> on the
> > plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the
> architects scale for
> > that.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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That's also a very convenient scale in that 1/16" on the plan equals 1" on the boat. Most scales are marked with 16ths.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Godwin
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Got plans...Can't read'em
Great!! can't wait to understand this to the fullest. My plan has
3/4"=1'.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, catboat15@... wrote:
> Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch
on the
> plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the
architects scale for
> that.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Great!! can't wait to understand this to the fullest. My plan has
3/4"=1'.
3/4"=1'.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, catboat15@... wrote:
> Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch
on the
> plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the
architects scale for
> that.
While you are out shopping get a couple of those triangular shaped scales to
measure things on the drawings. There are two kinds of scales one known as
architects scales and the other as engineer scales.
Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch on the
plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the architects scale for
that. The engineer's scale is in decimal divisions such as 20 divisions on
the scale to one inch. If your plans are from Bolger or Payson there is
usually a "table of offsets" on the plan and to get a start on the boat build a
cardboard model using the plans and glue it together. that is always a big help
in visualizing what a three dimensional boat looks like when you bend and
fasten all the pieces together. Cardboard and scotch tape is a lot cheaper than
marine ply and epoxy.
What I did with my first Bolger Car Topper was to punch in the offsets from
the table into a CAD program (So long ago it was a DOS program) and printed
out the shapes using the offset points and made a 1/6 size boat out of hobby
shop sheet balsa. that I sailed around in our pool.
Bolger, Payson Car topper
14-9 foot Swifty
John Meacham
************************************** See what's free athttp://www.aol.com
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measure things on the drawings. There are two kinds of scales one known as
architects scales and the other as engineer scales.
Most boat plans are drawn to some fractional scale such as 3/8 inch on the
plan is equal to one foot on the boat so you would use the architects scale for
that. The engineer's scale is in decimal divisions such as 20 divisions on
the scale to one inch. If your plans are from Bolger or Payson there is
usually a "table of offsets" on the plan and to get a start on the boat build a
cardboard model using the plans and glue it together. that is always a big help
in visualizing what a three dimensional boat looks like when you bend and
fasten all the pieces together. Cardboard and scotch tape is a lot cheaper than
marine ply and epoxy.
What I did with my first Bolger Car Topper was to punch in the offsets from
the table into a CAD program (So long ago it was a DOS program) and printed
out the shapes using the offset points and made a 1/6 size boat out of hobby
shop sheet balsa. that I sailed around in our pool.
Bolger, Payson Car topper
14-9 foot Swifty
John Meacham
************************************** See what's free athttp://www.aol.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In home building doing siding I teach the employes to do inches
1/8ths and use + or -. The ones that use + all the time have a good
attitude the ones that use - have a bad. So you teach all to use +
only and it actualy inproves there attitude. Just food for thought on
life and the designer of what you are working on.
Jon
1/8ths and use + or -. The ones that use + all the time have a good
attitude the ones that use - have a bad. So you teach all to use +
only and it actualy inproves there attitude. Just food for thought on
life and the designer of what you are working on.
Jon
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:get
> >
> > They are feet- inches and 1/8th's . If there is a plus or minus
> then it
> > is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should
> be
> > from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the
> sides, but
> > I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you
> yourbend
> > hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines,
> usually
> > every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
> > measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark,
> a
> > flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
> >
> > HJ
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Oh , I'll pick up the books as well.
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> They are feet- inches and 1/8th's . If there is a plus or minus
then it
> is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should
be
> from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the
sides, but
> I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you get
your
> hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines,
usually
> every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
> measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark, bend
a
> flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
>
> HJ
> >
> >
> >
>
Well there ya go. feet , inches and 8th's. Now its starting to come
together. Thanks ever so much!
Bill
together. Thanks ever so much!
Bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> They are feet- inches and 1/8th's . If there is a plus or minus then
it
> is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should be
> from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the sides,
but
> I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you get
your
> hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines,
usually
> every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
> measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark, bend a
> flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
>
> HJ
They are feet- inches and 1/8th's . If there is a plus or minus then it
is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should be
from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the sides, but
I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you get your
hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines, usually
every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark, bend a
flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
HJ
Bill Godwin wrote:
is a 1/16th in that direction on the end. The measurements should be
from a baseline on the panel, probably from the sheer on the sides, but
I don't know without looking at the plans. I would suggest you get your
hands on Payson's Instant boats. You make your station lines, usually
every foot on the panel, (I use a sheet rock square) make the
measurement on each station line, drive a nail into the mark, bend a
flexible batten around the nails and draw your cutting line.
HJ
Bill Godwin wrote:
> Got the sneakeasy plans today. A little less than I was hoping. I
> understand that the scale is 3/4"-1'. Now I could pull the
> dimensions off of the blueprint with an accurate set of caliphers,
> yet I feel these numbers are the key. For example; I've figured out
> the numbers (kinda) along the bottom of the boat. 2.0.0 is 2'? for
> the last bow section it shows...2.8.1? this length is ???
>
> Showing the side alond the bottom for the slightly rockered bottom
> shows from a perfectly flat(?) 2.5.5 to 2.4.7 to 2.4.3 to 2.3.5 to
> the bow at 2.2.2? Now this HAS to be the rocker coming off the flat
> bottom plain.
>
> I guess?
>
> Any help ?
>
> Please?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
>
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Got the sneakeasy plans today. A little less than I was hoping. I
understand that the scale is 3/4"-1'. Now I could pull the
dimensions off of the blueprint with an accurate set of caliphers,
yet I feel these numbers are the key. For example; I've figured out
the numbers (kinda) along the bottom of the boat. 2.0.0 is 2'? for
the last bow section it shows...2.8.1? this length is ???
Showing the side alond the bottom for the slightly rockered bottom
shows from a perfectly flat(?) 2.5.5 to 2.4.7 to 2.4.3 to 2.3.5 to
the bow at 2.2.2? Now this HAS to be the rocker coming off the flat
bottom plain.
I guess?
Any help ?
Please?
Thanks
Bill
understand that the scale is 3/4"-1'. Now I could pull the
dimensions off of the blueprint with an accurate set of caliphers,
yet I feel these numbers are the key. For example; I've figured out
the numbers (kinda) along the bottom of the boat. 2.0.0 is 2'? for
the last bow section it shows...2.8.1? this length is ???
Showing the side alond the bottom for the slightly rockered bottom
shows from a perfectly flat(?) 2.5.5 to 2.4.7 to 2.4.3 to 2.3.5 to
the bow at 2.2.2? Now this HAS to be the rocker coming off the flat
bottom plain.
I guess?
Any help ?
Please?
Thanks
Bill