Re: AS-29 Pricing
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
benchmark of cost/materials than length. After I sent you the reply,
I thought to myself that the 29 probably was twice the cost, due to
it's overall enlargement of the JC design.
When I first got into sailing and learned of PB and his boats I
thought they were quaint and interesting. Their "non conventional"
stance intrigued me, because I'm that way personally (non conventional!).
As I come closer to completing my first boat (a 15 foot "birdwatcher"
type boat called the Philsboat I started to think about what I would
build next. I have gone through many different plans to see what may
fit for me.
Interestingly enough, my wife has started to be part of that
conversation. As I discussed with her various designs I had reviewed
(and bought plans for) she started to make her own suggestions about
her needs. As we have discussed things more and more over the past
few months, I was stunned to learn of her interest in a larger vessel.
At some point she herd of the gent doing the great circle in an as29
and has showed some interest in being capable of doing the same thing.
I must take it slow with her, but her involvement has been like a
gift to me. My relationship (with her)is such that I would rather
have her complete involvement than none at all.
So, I'm now looking at JC and the AS29 as a possible next project. I
have a large shop with which to build in, and I have the tools. I
have the money (if doled out in small chunks over time). What I have
the least of is time, but I'm no different that way than most.
Lastly I will say that PB's genius is so very subtle. I recently had
the opportunity to purchase a 27 foot dutch made blue water sailor in
great shape for 1/2 what it would cost on the coast. (last I saw he
was below 5K). I turned the offer down (it was not easy!) I'm
holding out to see if my wife stays interested, and will hopefully one
day build something I would appreciate even more. Possibly an AS or
JC. Only the future will tell!
Have a great day!
Chris Curtis
>wrote:
> On 6/19/07, joe_mapango <ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...>
> >You are correct about the displacement of a boat being a better
> >
> > I find it interesting that you think the JC would be half of the AS29
>
> I was just shooting from the hip, using a rule of thumb where you
> estimate boat cost by the pound. Per my quick reckoning, the AS29 has
> twice the displacement of the Jessie Cooper, therefore is twice boat.
> By the way, I think Jessie Cooper is an awesome choice for a build.
>
benchmark of cost/materials than length. After I sent you the reply,
I thought to myself that the 29 probably was twice the cost, due to
it's overall enlargement of the JC design.
When I first got into sailing and learned of PB and his boats I
thought they were quaint and interesting. Their "non conventional"
stance intrigued me, because I'm that way personally (non conventional!).
As I come closer to completing my first boat (a 15 foot "birdwatcher"
type boat called the Philsboat I started to think about what I would
build next. I have gone through many different plans to see what may
fit for me.
Interestingly enough, my wife has started to be part of that
conversation. As I discussed with her various designs I had reviewed
(and bought plans for) she started to make her own suggestions about
her needs. As we have discussed things more and more over the past
few months, I was stunned to learn of her interest in a larger vessel.
At some point she herd of the gent doing the great circle in an as29
and has showed some interest in being capable of doing the same thing.
I must take it slow with her, but her involvement has been like a
gift to me. My relationship (with her)is such that I would rather
have her complete involvement than none at all.
So, I'm now looking at JC and the AS29 as a possible next project. I
have a large shop with which to build in, and I have the tools. I
have the money (if doled out in small chunks over time). What I have
the least of is time, but I'm no different that way than most.
Lastly I will say that PB's genius is so very subtle. I recently had
the opportunity to purchase a 27 foot dutch made blue water sailor in
great shape for 1/2 what it would cost on the coast. (last I saw he
was below 5K). I turned the offer down (it was not easy!) I'm
holding out to see if my wife stays interested, and will hopefully one
day build something I would appreciate even more. Possibly an AS or
JC. Only the future will tell!
Have a great day!
Chris Curtis
On 6/19/07, joe_mapango <ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...> wrote:
estimate boat cost by the pound. Per my quick reckoning, the AS29 has
twice the displacement of the Jessie Cooper, therefore is twice boat.
By the way, I think Jessie Cooper is an awesome choice for a build.
>I was just shooting from the hip, using a rule of thumb where you
>
> I find it interesting that you think the JC would be half of the AS29
estimate boat cost by the pound. Per my quick reckoning, the AS29 has
twice the displacement of the Jessie Cooper, therefore is twice boat.
By the way, I think Jessie Cooper is an awesome choice for a build.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "joe_mapango"
<ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...> wrote:
AS-29 (Advanced Sharpie) #547 29'6''x7'10''x1'1'' Sail $400, $100 for
recent revisions *only*
So $500 quite likely.
I doubt they would sell you JC plans, since the AS29 superceded it.
You could probably loft it if you have a copy of "30 Odd Boats" but
can't recall if the table of off-sets was in it.
Despite a number of people loving JC, Bolger felt the large heavy mast
and daggerboard, and the lack of a proper motor location made it a
poor choice, as well as some other things that he improved in the AS
series.
As you probably know - the hull shape is almost a carbon copy of a
larger liveaboard version of Paradox.
Nels
<ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...> wrote:
>This excerpt from the Database here:
> Hello All. I recently sent PB a fax to inquire about the prices for
> the Jessie Cooper, and AS-29 plans. I have not received a reply yet,
> I'm thinking they may be away.
>
> Does anyone know what he has been charging for the AS-29 and JC plans?
>
> Chris Curtis
>
AS-29 (Advanced Sharpie) #547 29'6''x7'10''x1'1'' Sail $400, $100 for
recent revisions *only*
So $500 quite likely.
I doubt they would sell you JC plans, since the AS29 superceded it.
You could probably loft it if you have a copy of "30 Odd Boats" but
can't recall if the table of off-sets was in it.
Despite a number of people loving JC, Bolger felt the large heavy mast
and daggerboard, and the lack of a proper motor location made it a
poor choice, as well as some other things that he improved in the AS
series.
As you probably know - the hull shape is almost a carbon copy of a
larger liveaboard version of Paradox.
Nels
I find it interesting that you think the JC would be half of the AS29
(but I'm not doubting you). There is only a five foot difference
between them. I have a small reprint of the JC, and a book with the
AS-29 blueprints, the AS29 is just a longer version of the JC (with
some other improvements).
I will let you know when I receive the pricing. It may be a few
weeks, as I'm leaving for a bike trip in a few days, and will not be
back for a few weeks.
Chris Curtis
(but I'm not doubting you). There is only a five foot difference
between them. I have a small reprint of the JC, and a book with the
AS-29 blueprints, the AS29 is just a longer version of the JC (with
some other improvements).
I will let you know when I receive the pricing. It may be a few
weeks, as I'm leaving for a bike trip in a few days, and will not be
back for a few weeks.
Chris Curtis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On 6/19/07, joe_mapango <ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...>
wrote:
> >
> > Hello All. I recently sent PB a fax to inquire about the prices for
> > the Jessie Cooper, and AS-29 plans. I have not received a reply yet,
> > I'm thinking they may be away.
> >
> > Does anyone know what he has been charging for the AS-29 and JC
plans?
> >
> > Chris Curtis
>
> Their pricing varies from time to time. Please tell us when you hear
> back from them. My guess is in the vicinity of $200 - $300 for the
> rights to build one boat, a bargain considering that an AS29 probably
> will cost $10,000 in materials and 1,000 manhours (+/-). A Jessie
> Cooper about half that. Buying plans entitles you to ask them some
> questions, which can be priceless when measured in saved grief.
>
On 6/19/07, joe_mapango <ccurtis-keyword-kjjdksfbgbsld.ec21fa@...> wrote:
back from them. My guess is in the vicinity of $200 - $300 for the
rights to build one boat, a bargain considering that an AS29 probably
will cost $10,000 in materials and 1,000 manhours (+/-). A Jessie
Cooper about half that. Buying plans entitles you to ask them some
questions, which can be priceless when measured in saved grief.
>Their pricing varies from time to time. Please tell us when you hear
> Hello All. I recently sent PB a fax to inquire about the prices for
> the Jessie Cooper, and AS-29 plans. I have not received a reply yet,
> I'm thinking they may be away.
>
> Does anyone know what he has been charging for the AS-29 and JC plans?
>
> Chris Curtis
back from them. My guess is in the vicinity of $200 - $300 for the
rights to build one boat, a bargain considering that an AS29 probably
will cost $10,000 in materials and 1,000 manhours (+/-). A Jessie
Cooper about half that. Buying plans entitles you to ask them some
questions, which can be priceless when measured in saved grief.
Hello All. I recently sent PB a fax to inquire about the prices for
the Jessie Cooper, and AS-29 plans. I have not received a reply yet,
I'm thinking they may be away.
Does anyone know what he has been charging for the AS-29 and JC plans?
Chris Curtis
the Jessie Cooper, and AS-29 plans. I have not received a reply yet,
I'm thinking they may be away.
Does anyone know what he has been charging for the AS-29 and JC plans?
Chris Curtis