Re: [bolger] Re: New AS-29 pics
Yes, that's bascially right. But the mizzen is still there and if I ever reef or feel the need to balance her better with the mzzen I have the mizzen halyard led right into my pilothouse so I can raise it easily when needed.
The odd thing is that the boat does balance surprisingly well without the mizzen. Of course, I haven't tested it in different conditions, just a nice steady breeze at about 10 knots. I've had occasions when there was more weather helm WITH the mizzen than without it. Strange but true.
I haven't tried sailing with the main reefed and no mizzen. I know that reefing will move the CE of the main forward and this could necessitate using the mizzen.
The AS-29 is not quite as good as the Micro for holding head-to-wind with the mizzen sheeted tight. I had a Micro for years and she would always head up nicely, making reefing the main easy. The 29 doesn't behave quite as well, and that 20 foot boom becomes something of a bucking bronco when you're trying to reef. I also think the mizzen boom is a little too short. I haven't been able to get it to set flat enough. It always seems to have too much draft no matter what I do with the snotter. A longer boom would pull the clew back a bit and make it set flatter. As I've said before, I've gotted lazy in my old age and haven't had the ambition to make a new boom. Someday...
dnjost <davidjost@...> wrote: So...in essence you have a 29 foot catboat. My former Marshall
catboat would heel to about 15 degrees then stop and just keep making
bigger and bigger waves as the wind picked up, meanwhile the barn
door rudder would load up like a son of a gun. If it weren't for the
two inch thick oak tiller we would have been in serious trouble. It
would get to a point where it was impossible to hold. A 3 hour sail
in a smokin' sou'wester would lead to the development of forearms
like Popeye.
I am sure that the AS29 would sail quite well with just the main, but
when you want to put the reef in, you will really have wished that
the mizzen were up so the boat will lie to in a peaceful manner. On
my old Micro, reefing was a calm and non-active process as the boat
just lay head to wind while we casually dropped the main and reefed.
The Catboat was whole other story. The boat would lie abeam to the
sea and rock like a son of a gun attempting to dislodge it's
occupants, while the 20' boom would hang out over the leeward side so
far out that tieing in the reefs were impossible. This was not an
enjoyable experience. I actually left the reefs in and only shook
them out when racing, or when I was absolutley sure the wind would
not pick up.
I hope to build an AS29, but Birdwatcher is slowly getting there.
Bad back has delayed progress.
David Jost
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The odd thing is that the boat does balance surprisingly well without the mizzen. Of course, I haven't tested it in different conditions, just a nice steady breeze at about 10 knots. I've had occasions when there was more weather helm WITH the mizzen than without it. Strange but true.
I haven't tried sailing with the main reefed and no mizzen. I know that reefing will move the CE of the main forward and this could necessitate using the mizzen.
The AS-29 is not quite as good as the Micro for holding head-to-wind with the mizzen sheeted tight. I had a Micro for years and she would always head up nicely, making reefing the main easy. The 29 doesn't behave quite as well, and that 20 foot boom becomes something of a bucking bronco when you're trying to reef. I also think the mizzen boom is a little too short. I haven't been able to get it to set flat enough. It always seems to have too much draft no matter what I do with the snotter. A longer boom would pull the clew back a bit and make it set flatter. As I've said before, I've gotted lazy in my old age and haven't had the ambition to make a new boom. Someday...
dnjost <davidjost@...> wrote: So...in essence you have a 29 foot catboat. My former Marshall
catboat would heel to about 15 degrees then stop and just keep making
bigger and bigger waves as the wind picked up, meanwhile the barn
door rudder would load up like a son of a gun. If it weren't for the
two inch thick oak tiller we would have been in serious trouble. It
would get to a point where it was impossible to hold. A 3 hour sail
in a smokin' sou'wester would lead to the development of forearms
like Popeye.
I am sure that the AS29 would sail quite well with just the main, but
when you want to put the reef in, you will really have wished that
the mizzen were up so the boat will lie to in a peaceful manner. On
my old Micro, reefing was a calm and non-active process as the boat
just lay head to wind while we casually dropped the main and reefed.
The Catboat was whole other story. The boat would lie abeam to the
sea and rock like a son of a gun attempting to dislodge it's
occupants, while the 20' boom would hang out over the leeward side so
far out that tieing in the reefs were impossible. This was not an
enjoyable experience. I actually left the reefs in and only shook
them out when racing, or when I was absolutley sure the wind would
not pick up.
I hope to build an AS29, but Birdwatcher is slowly getting there.
Bad back has delayed progress.
David Jost
"living vicariously through OPB (other people's boats)."
Ron Paul for President
Hope for America
Be part of it.
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So...in essence you have a 29 foot catboat. My former Marshall
catboat would heel to about 15 degrees then stop and just keep making
bigger and bigger waves as the wind picked up, meanwhile the barn
door rudder would load up like a son of a gun. If it weren't for the
two inch thick oak tiller we would have been in serious trouble. It
would get to a point where it was impossible to hold. A 3 hour sail
in a smokin' sou'wester would lead to the development of forearms
like Popeye.
I am sure that the AS29 would sail quite well with just the main, but
when you want to put the reef in, you will really have wished that
the mizzen were up so the boat will lie to in a peaceful manner. On
my old Micro, reefing was a calm and non-active process as the boat
just lay head to wind while we casually dropped the main and reefed.
The Catboat was whole other story. The boat would lie abeam to the
sea and rock like a son of a gun attempting to dislodge it's
occupants, while the 20' boom would hang out over the leeward side so
far out that tieing in the reefs were impossible. This was not an
enjoyable experience. I actually left the reefs in and only shook
them out when racing, or when I was absolutley sure the wind would
not pick up.
I hope to build an AS29, but Birdwatcher is slowly getting there.
Bad back has delayed progress.
David Jost
"living vicariously through OPB (other people's boats)."
catboat would heel to about 15 degrees then stop and just keep making
bigger and bigger waves as the wind picked up, meanwhile the barn
door rudder would load up like a son of a gun. If it weren't for the
two inch thick oak tiller we would have been in serious trouble. It
would get to a point where it was impossible to hold. A 3 hour sail
in a smokin' sou'wester would lead to the development of forearms
like Popeye.
I am sure that the AS29 would sail quite well with just the main, but
when you want to put the reef in, you will really have wished that
the mizzen were up so the boat will lie to in a peaceful manner. On
my old Micro, reefing was a calm and non-active process as the boat
just lay head to wind while we casually dropped the main and reefed.
The Catboat was whole other story. The boat would lie abeam to the
sea and rock like a son of a gun attempting to dislodge it's
occupants, while the 20' boom would hang out over the leeward side so
far out that tieing in the reefs were impossible. This was not an
enjoyable experience. I actually left the reefs in and only shook
them out when racing, or when I was absolutley sure the wind would
not pick up.
I hope to build an AS29, but Birdwatcher is slowly getting there.
Bad back has delayed progress.
David Jost
"living vicariously through OPB (other people's boats)."
-
Thanks for sharing the pictures Mike. I'm one of your "fans" who is
following your adventure. Kudos to you and yours for what you are
doing and for sharing the experience with us. Sure shows what can be
done and gives signature to the brilliance of PCB.
Keep sailing and stay safe.
Dennis
Bellingham, Wa.
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote:
______________
Thanks for sharing the pictures Mike. I'm one of your "fans" who is
following your adventure. Kudos to you and yours for what you are
doing and for sharing the experience with us. Sure shows what can be
done and gives signature to the brilliance of PCB.
Keep sailing and stay safe.
Dennis
Bellingham, Wa.
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote:
>______________________________________________________________________
> Actually, we've been experimenting with sailing
> without the mizzen. This was a suggestion from Susanne
> during our visit to PB&Friends.
>
> As for reefing, we weren't anywhere near needing a
> reef in the main. I start reefing when the tiller gets
> too hard to hold, which seems to be at something over
> 15 knots of breeze. We only had around 10 that day.
>
> The one trouble that I have from time to time is
> getting the wrinkle out of the main. It seems I get a
> real good set on the sail and then the halyards
> stretch a bit and I get that damned wrinkle. Then, to
> get a nice smooth set, I have to round up, put her in
> irons to take the strain off, peak her up and then
> fall off again. Sometimes I just get lazy and leave
> the wrinkle.
>
> The way this boat sails, she is very tender till she's
> heeling about 15 to 16 degrees. Then she locks in like
> she's on rails. Any further increase in wind speed
> just causes her to round up. Thus, the weather helm
> increases with wind speed. When I can no longer hold
> her on course, it's time to reef.
>
> Yesterday, we took her out for a few hours on Boca
> Ciega Bay and sailed under main alone. She actually
> behaved surprisingly well without the mizzen. I found
> I could hold her on course on any point of sail. A
> small adjustment to the main sheet as I changed points
> was all she needed to balance again. She won't self
> steer without the mizzen, but for a nice relaxing
> afternoon of sailing it's just fine, and a lot less
> work.
>
> I'm thinking I will use the mizzen only for slow,
> close quarters sailing (in and out of anchorages,
> etc.) and when hooked up to the self-steerer.
> Otherwise, I may use the main alone.
>
> And as for lifting the engine, did I say I was lazy?
>
> Maybe someday, if I ever get ambitious, I'll rig a
> lifting gear for the engine so I don't have to climb
> down into the well.
>
> Did I mention that I'm lazy?
>
> --- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
>
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "willers32"
> > <willers32@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just posted a couple of pics of Walkure sailing
> > on the Gulf of
> > > Mexico. They are in the Photos section under
> > "AS-29 photos."
> >
> >
> > Beautiful pictures Mike but it looks like(in photos
> > number one and
> > two),she could use perhaps one reef in the
> > mainsail,the mizzen sheeted
> > in nice and tight(the snotter too) and the blasted
> > outboard
> > raised....unless you were trolling for spare parts
> > :-)
> > But what the hell do I know, you look like you're
> > having a blast and
> > your dodger/pilothouse looks like the perfect spot
> > for libations and
> > snacks en vrac!
> > I refuse to admit to jealousy nor confess to a
> > greenish hue to my skin.
> > Continued pleasures in your cruise!!
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Peter Lenihan
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote:
Sometimes I just get lazy and leave
> the wrinkle.
>
> And as for lifting the engine, did I say I was lazy?
>
>> Did I mention that I'm lazy?
Ah yes, a man after my own heart! Thanks for the response Mike.Do ya
think you'll ever come back up North again?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, no stranger to the L word...no sirree Bob!!
Actually, we've been experimenting with sailing
without the mizzen. This was a suggestion from Susanne
during our visit to PB&Friends.
As for reefing, we weren't anywhere near needing a
reef in the main. I start reefing when the tiller gets
too hard to hold, which seems to be at something over
15 knots of breeze. We only had around 10 that day.
The one trouble that I have from time to time is
getting the wrinkle out of the main. It seems I get a
real good set on the sail and then the halyards
stretch a bit and I get that damned wrinkle. Then, to
get a nice smooth set, I have to round up, put her in
irons to take the strain off, peak her up and then
fall off again. Sometimes I just get lazy and leave
the wrinkle.
The way this boat sails, she is very tender till she's
heeling about 15 to 16 degrees. Then she locks in like
she's on rails. Any further increase in wind speed
just causes her to round up. Thus, the weather helm
increases with wind speed. When I can no longer hold
her on course, it's time to reef.
Yesterday, we took her out for a few hours on Boca
Ciega Bay and sailed under main alone. She actually
behaved surprisingly well without the mizzen. I found
I could hold her on course on any point of sail. A
small adjustment to the main sheet as I changed points
was all she needed to balance again. She won't self
steer without the mizzen, but for a nice relaxing
afternoon of sailing it's just fine, and a lot less
work.
I'm thinking I will use the mizzen only for slow,
close quarters sailing (in and out of anchorages,
etc.) and when hooked up to the self-steerer.
Otherwise, I may use the main alone.
And as for lifting the engine, did I say I was lazy?
Maybe someday, if I ever get ambitious, I'll rig a
lifting gear for the engine so I don't have to climb
down into the well.
Did I mention that I'm lazy?
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without the mizzen. This was a suggestion from Susanne
during our visit to PB&Friends.
As for reefing, we weren't anywhere near needing a
reef in the main. I start reefing when the tiller gets
too hard to hold, which seems to be at something over
15 knots of breeze. We only had around 10 that day.
The one trouble that I have from time to time is
getting the wrinkle out of the main. It seems I get a
real good set on the sail and then the halyards
stretch a bit and I get that damned wrinkle. Then, to
get a nice smooth set, I have to round up, put her in
irons to take the strain off, peak her up and then
fall off again. Sometimes I just get lazy and leave
the wrinkle.
The way this boat sails, she is very tender till she's
heeling about 15 to 16 degrees. Then she locks in like
she's on rails. Any further increase in wind speed
just causes her to round up. Thus, the weather helm
increases with wind speed. When I can no longer hold
her on course, it's time to reef.
Yesterday, we took her out for a few hours on Boca
Ciega Bay and sailed under main alone. She actually
behaved surprisingly well without the mizzen. I found
I could hold her on course on any point of sail. A
small adjustment to the main sheet as I changed points
was all she needed to balance again. She won't self
steer without the mizzen, but for a nice relaxing
afternoon of sailing it's just fine, and a lot less
work.
I'm thinking I will use the mizzen only for slow,
close quarters sailing (in and out of anchorages,
etc.) and when hooked up to the self-steerer.
Otherwise, I may use the main alone.
And as for lifting the engine, did I say I was lazy?
Maybe someday, if I ever get ambitious, I'll rig a
lifting gear for the engine so I don't have to climb
down into the well.
Did I mention that I'm lazy?
--- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "willers32"____________________________________________________________________________________
> <willers32@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just posted a couple of pics of Walkure sailing
> on the Gulf of
> > Mexico. They are in the Photos section under
> "AS-29 photos."
>
>
> Beautiful pictures Mike but it looks like(in photos
> number one and
> two),she could use perhaps one reef in the
> mainsail,the mizzen sheeted
> in nice and tight(the snotter too) and the blasted
> outboard
> raised....unless you were trolling for spare parts
> :-)
> But what the hell do I know, you look like you're
> having a blast and
> your dodger/pilothouse looks like the perfect spot
> for libations and
> snacks en vrac!
> I refuse to admit to jealousy nor confess to a
> greenish hue to my skin.
> Continued pleasures in your cruise!!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "willers32" <willers32@...> wrote:
two),she could use perhaps one reef in the mainsail,the mizzen sheeted
in nice and tight(the snotter too) and the blasted outboard
raised....unless you were trolling for spare parts :-)
But what the hell do I know, you look like you're having a blast and
your dodger/pilothouse looks like the perfect spot for libations and
snacks en vrac!
I refuse to admit to jealousy nor confess to a greenish hue to my skin.
Continued pleasures in your cruise!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>Beautiful pictures Mike but it looks like(in photos number one and
> I just posted a couple of pics of Walkure sailing on the Gulf of
> Mexico. They are in the Photos section under "AS-29 photos."
two),she could use perhaps one reef in the mainsail,the mizzen sheeted
in nice and tight(the snotter too) and the blasted outboard
raised....unless you were trolling for spare parts :-)
But what the hell do I know, you look like you're having a blast and
your dodger/pilothouse looks like the perfect spot for libations and
snacks en vrac!
I refuse to admit to jealousy nor confess to a greenish hue to my skin.
Continued pleasures in your cruise!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
I just posted a couple of pics of Walkure sailing on the Gulf of
Mexico. They are in the Photos section under "AS-29 photos."
Mexico. They are in the Photos section under "AS-29 photos."