Re: Birdwatcher 2 construction page
Nels,
You have a good eye for details.
glass, the inner coaming was added to give a little more stiffness. We
decided to apply the coaming in 2 thinner layers, added the second
layer after the sides were attached. Took a bit of filing and scarph
in place to fit the nothches. The inner coaming is Philipine Mahogany
and was too hard to bend otherwise.
I guess once the inner coamings fit into their notches
fantastic job drawing it as it actually fits. Once lined up, a few
temporary screws and glue and fillet. Easy as long as there are 2
people working at aligning and holding in place.
adds more epoxy to bury the cloth, self levels pretty well. Not
perfect but better than if we had waited until it was upright. Less
epoxy wasted dripping down.
Chine logs. We used 2 layers of 3/4 by 2 1/2 and 3/4 by 1 and
something with the angles precut. We put them on one at a time. Shaped
the top with a 1 inch roundover bit, belt sander and hand block. They
came out pretty well.
http://www.raptornails.com/
The nails hold very well, don't have the shear strength of metal
nails, but they don't damage planes/saw blades and can be sanded. We
screwed the first layer of the bottom and used mostly the polymer
nails with a few screws on the second layer, glass right over them.
They are good to tack scarphs so they don't slip before you get a
clamp on them.
wrapped very well around the chine logs. Got one other coat of epoxy
on, now we have to wait until our next epoxy shipment arrives. Have
used 3 1/2 gallons to this point with very little waste. Have never
used more than a gallon on any boat we have built in the past.
Have a happy and a safe July 4th to all.
R & K
You have a good eye for details.
> I see you completely glassed the side panels and installed the inner24 and a half feet of 6 mm plywood is very flimsy, even with the
> coamings and stems before temporarily attaching them to the bulkheads.
> Then attaching the stems to the other panel permanently. Then
> filleting and taping the bulkheads to the side panels and removing the
> temporary screws? Any problems getting the panels to bend into place
> and line up?
glass, the inner coaming was added to give a little more stiffness. We
decided to apply the coaming in 2 thinner layers, added the second
layer after the sides were attached. Took a bit of filing and scarph
in place to fit the nothches. The inner coaming is Philipine Mahogany
and was too hard to bend otherwise.
I guess once the inner coamings fit into their notches
> and the marking lines on the inside of the panels lined up with theWe set up the frames and marked the panels as Phil drew them. He did a
> bulkheads you were all set to bond it all together. The advantage of
> having the bulkheads stabilized and aligned beforehand.
>
fantastic job drawing it as it actually fits. Once lined up, a few
temporary screws and glue and fillet. Easy as long as there are 2
people working at aligning and holding in place.
> Also all the glassing was done on a horizontal table.You don't get runs when its flat, squeegee the glass and then a roller
>
adds more epoxy to bury the cloth, self levels pretty well. Not
perfect but better than if we had waited until it was upright. Less
epoxy wasted dripping down.
> Was it a bit of a challenge getting those chine logs into place? Wouldproblem?
> maybe using two courses of thinner logs have been easier or not a
Chine logs. We used 2 layers of 3/4 by 2 1/2 and 3/4 by 1 and
something with the angles precut. We put them on one at a time. Shaped
the top with a 1 inch roundover bit, belt sander and hand block. They
came out pretty well.
>You can find the polymer nails and gun at :
> I am also interested in your using polymer nails. Do you have a
> special nailer to drive them? Did you also use them to hold the second
> bottom layer in place while it cured?
http://www.raptornails.com/
The nails hold very well, don't have the shear strength of metal
nails, but they don't damage planes/saw blades and can be sanded. We
screwed the first layer of the bottom and used mostly the polymer
nails with a few screws on the second layer, glass right over them.
They are good to tack scarphs so they don't slip before you get a
clamp on them.
> All the best with glassing the bottom. Once that is done the hull isFirst of 2 layers of 10 oz cloth has been applied to the bottom,
> locked in!
wrapped very well around the chine logs. Got one other coat of epoxy
on, now we have to wait until our next epoxy shipment arrives. Have
used 3 1/2 gallons to this point with very little waste. Have never
used more than a gallon on any boat we have built in the past.
Have a happy and a safe July 4th to all.
R & K
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
you are making excellent progress.
I have a few observations and questions, but don't let me interfere
with the work in progress. Maybe some time later once you get the
build completed.
I see you completely glassed the side panels and installed the inner
coamings and stems before temporarily attaching them to the bulkheads.
Then attaching the stems to the other panel permanently. Then
filleting and taping the bulkheads to the side panels and removing the
temporary screws? Any problems getting the panels to bend into place
and line up? I guess once the inner coamings fit into their notches
and the marking lines on the inside of the panels lined up with the
bulkheads you were all set to bond it all together. The advantage of
having the bulkheads stabilized and aligned beforehand.
Also all the glassing was done on a horizontal table.
Was it a bit of a challenge getting those chine logs into place? Would
maybe using two courses of thinner logs have been easier or not a problem?
I am also interested in your using polymer nails. Do you have a
special nailer to drive them? Did you also use them to hold the second
bottom layer in place while it cured?
All the best with glassing the bottom. Once that is done the hull is
locked in!
Nels
wrote:
> You don't know how lucky I am that Kathie is letting me help her buildI checked in at your website and viewed the updated photos. Looks like
> the BW2. We make good progress together. Glassing the bottom tomorrow.
> R & K
you are making excellent progress.
I have a few observations and questions, but don't let me interfere
with the work in progress. Maybe some time later once you get the
build completed.
I see you completely glassed the side panels and installed the inner
coamings and stems before temporarily attaching them to the bulkheads.
Then attaching the stems to the other panel permanently. Then
filleting and taping the bulkheads to the side panels and removing the
temporary screws? Any problems getting the panels to bend into place
and line up? I guess once the inner coamings fit into their notches
and the marking lines on the inside of the panels lined up with the
bulkheads you were all set to bond it all together. The advantage of
having the bulkheads stabilized and aligned beforehand.
Also all the glassing was done on a horizontal table.
Was it a bit of a challenge getting those chine logs into place? Would
maybe using two courses of thinner logs have been easier or not a problem?
I am also interested in your using polymer nails. Do you have a
special nailer to drive them? Did you also use them to hold the second
bottom layer in place while it cured?
All the best with glassing the bottom. Once that is done the hull is
locked in!
Nels
Memphis, Indiana and Nashville, NC, been through the first, not the last.
I believe the Lake Monroe Messabout is Autumnal Equinox weekend. We
haven't missed showing up at least on Saturday for the last 6 or 7 years.
Thanks for pointing out the photos of Bob Larkins BW2 at the Oregon
Messabout. The jaws on the Solent lug yard appear to work well. Looks
good.
You don't know how lucky I am that Kathie is letting me help her build
the BW2. We make good progress together. Glassing the bottom tomorrow.
R & K
I believe the Lake Monroe Messabout is Autumnal Equinox weekend. We
haven't missed showing up at least on Saturday for the last 6 or 7 years.
Thanks for pointing out the photos of Bob Larkins BW2 at the Oregon
Messabout. The jaws on the Solent lug yard appear to work well. Looks
good.
You don't know how lucky I am that Kathie is letting me help her build
the BW2. We make good progress together. Glassing the bottom tomorrow.
R & K
> Is not the Lake Monroe Messabout in September some time?
>
> Funny but I was wearing a T-shirt with s Nashville North logo on it
> yesterday, but I think that it was from a bar in Nashville NC:-)
>
> Hope you noticed the photos of the BW2 of Bob Larkin in the messabout
> photos - very inspiring! Looks like he has that rig sorted out now,
> with the yard laying nicely against the mast as he boogied past.
>
> Rex I think it is great to see a husband helping his wife build a boat
> like you are doing.
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
Funny but I was wearing a T-shirt with s Nashville North logo on it
yesterday, but I think that it was from a bar in Nashville NC:-)
Hope you noticed the photos of the BW2 of Bob Larkin in the messabout
photos - very inspiring! Looks like he has that rig sorted out now,
with the yard laying nicely against the mast as he boogied past.
Rex I think it is great to see a husband helping his wife build a boat
like you are doing.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
>Is not the Lake Monroe Messabout in September some time?
> We have launched there in the past. I'm sure we will again in the
> future. Usually at the Cutright ramp, no wake zone side. Canoes and
> small sailboats.
> R & K
Funny but I was wearing a T-shirt with s Nashville North logo on it
yesterday, but I think that it was from a bar in Nashville NC:-)
Hope you noticed the photos of the BW2 of Bob Larkin in the messabout
photos - very inspiring! Looks like he has that rig sorted out now,
with the yard laying nicely against the mast as he boogied past.
Rex I think it is great to see a husband helping his wife build a boat
like you are doing.
Cheers, Nels
We have launched there in the past. I'm sure we will again in the
future. Usually at the Cutright ramp, no wake zone side. Canoes and
small sailboats.
R & K
future. Usually at the Cutright ramp, no wake zone side. Canoes and
small sailboats.
R & K
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cosermann" <arielmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe we can look forward to seeing this boat on Lake Monroe then?
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nels,
> > We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
> > approximately 3 miles from little else.
>
Maybe we can look forward to seeing this boat on Lake Monroe then?
Regards,
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
Regards,
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
>
> Nels,
> We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
> approximately 3 miles from little else.
Hey, don't knock it. You're only 70 miles from the great city of Memphis, IN.
Roger
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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:13 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Birdwatcher 2 construction page
Nels,
We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
approximately 3 miles from little else.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
can never have enough clamps.
Paul H.
wrote:
>My dad, who taught me everything I know about wood working, told me you
> Nels,
> We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
> approximately 3 miles from little else. Clamps are sort of a personal
> tool, they look great in photos, don't complain often, and do their
> work without leaving holes that need filling later. Should you come by
> and need a clamp and can return it by next day, we will be happy to
> oblige. Look forward to your acquaintence.
> R & K
can never have enough clamps.
Paul H.
Nels,
We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
approximately 3 miles from little else. Clamps are sort of a personal
tool, they look great in photos, don't complain often, and do their
work without leaving holes that need filling later. Should you come by
and need a clamp and can return it by next day, we will be happy to
oblige. Look forward to your acquaintence.
R & K
We are located just outside of Nashville, Indiana, that is
approximately 3 miles from little else. Clamps are sort of a personal
tool, they look great in photos, don't complain often, and do their
work without leaving holes that need filling later. Should you come by
and need a clamp and can return it by next day, we will be happy to
oblige. Look forward to your acquaintence.
R & K
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@>
> wrote:
> >
> > My wife and I have started construction on a Birdwatcher 2.
> > Progress can be viewed at :
> >
> >http://homepage.mac.com/rkpayneboats/Birdwatcher2
> >
> > Rex and Kathie
> >
> Thanks to you both for sharing the great photos of your build. I
> really found the setting up of the building table and the bulkhead
> support molds to be interesting and worthy of emulating.
>
> Just wondering where you are located - in case I need to borrow some
> clamps;-)
>
> Nels
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rex and Kathie Payne" <rkpayne96@...>
wrote:
really found the setting up of the building table and the bulkhead
support molds to be interesting and worthy of emulating.
Just wondering where you are located - in case I need to borrow some
clamps;-)
Nels
wrote:
>Thanks to you both for sharing the great photos of your build. I
> My wife and I have started construction on a Birdwatcher 2.
> Progress can be viewed at :
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/rkpayneboats/Birdwatcher2
>
> Rex and Kathie
>
really found the setting up of the building table and the bulkhead
support molds to be interesting and worthy of emulating.
Just wondering where you are located - in case I need to borrow some
clamps;-)
Nels
My wife and I have started construction on a Birdwatcher 2.
Progress can be viewed at :
http://homepage.mac.com/rkpayneboats/Birdwatcher2
Rex and Kathie
Progress can be viewed at :
http://homepage.mac.com/rkpayneboats/Birdwatcher2
Rex and Kathie