Re: Solstice Small Boat Messabout Photos
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
Coldwater Sailboard.
Add a rudder to free up space for carrying gear aft when wanted;
needs a hiking stick then, which will nicely suit the added sliding
seat. Better? Add lifting foils.
Graeme
>Sporty?
> One of the most knowledgable Ol' Coots describes Sisu as "sporty".
> Thise mods would make her less so, but would also make her less
> delicate.
>
> So, thinking about Bolger designs - which of his could be
> considered similar to the Goat Island Skiff? Maybe Junebug? Others?
>
Coldwater Sailboard.
Add a rudder to free up space for carrying gear aft when wanted;
needs a hiking stick then, which will nicely suit the added sliding
seat. Better? Add lifting foils.
Graeme
David, having cartopped a Bolger Featherwind (125lbs) for two summers, I can understand
your getting tired of lifting the GIS. It is not so much that it is heavy, but ungainly because of
the length. I think you will find trailering your boat a much more pleasant experience. As to
the types of Bolger boats the GIS falls into, construction and length wise I think the
Featherwind and Windsprint would be equivalent, although they do not have as much
freeboard as the GIS. I would be interested to know the depth of your boat. It looks as if it
has a huge volume. In your capsize photos, it looks like you need more flotation, too! ;-)
All the best,
Dennis
your getting tired of lifting the GIS. It is not so much that it is heavy, but ungainly because of
the length. I think you will find trailering your boat a much more pleasant experience. As to
the types of Bolger boats the GIS falls into, construction and length wise I think the
Featherwind and Windsprint would be equivalent, although they do not have as much
freeboard as the GIS. I would be interested to know the depth of your boat. It looks as if it
has a huge volume. In your capsize photos, it looks like you need more flotation, too! ;-)
All the best,
Dennis
--- David <arbordg@...> wrote:
yes I do see where that would in deed count as Self-
pressrvation! You need to worry if the next time as
you launch every one else heads for the beach!
to switch the sail into astern! Like you can with an
outboard or most inboards.
Also I will bet you will not make the same mistake
again that you made over the weekend. At least not
with anyone watching!
Blessings Krissie
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> Krissie,Yes in the case of trying to sail through another boat
>
> Thanks for the kind words. Damage to skipper limited
> to minor scrapes
> & bruises. That and being tired from the exertions
> of trying to right
> the boat, and self-rescue, and from being in the
> water for that long.
> Damage to ego negligable, due to size of ego <G>
>
yes I do see where that would in deed count as Self-
pressrvation! You need to worry if the next time as
you launch every one else heads for the beach!
> I'm completely convinced that self-preservation isIn all the sails I've seen I have yet to see a lever
> the primary motive,
> after watching me nearly mow down my new friend
> Topher in his little
> Puddle Duck Racer, and thereupon neatly gybing
> myself into the turtled
> position. Who in their right mind would want to sail
> in company with
> me - or heaver forfend, in the same boat - prior to
> some rudimentary
> instruction ];^)
>
to switch the sail into astern! Like you can with an
outboard or most inboards.
Also I will bet you will not make the same mistake
again that you made over the weekend. At least not
with anyone watching!
Blessings Krissie
> Seriously, my ego did take a hit, and I'm determined____________________________________________________________________________________
> to learn enough
> to avoid making such a fool of myself in the future.
> Also - you're
> very right - it is heartwarming that my mates are
> willing to share
> their experience with me. I am indeed blessed to
> have fallen in with
> such a generous and knowledgable group of folks.
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
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Dennis,
Thanks. We're very happy with what a pretty boat we ended up with.
Just from the drawings, and even from the fotos we saw, we were
prepared for a bit of an ungainly, slabsided beast. In fact, I think
she's bloody beautiful (he said modestly). I'd have to say that
Michael Storer knows his stuff.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/GIS/GISplan.html
A Coot remarked once that Sharpies tend to look far lovelier in
person. I'd have to agree. However, we were prepared to live with
slab-sided in order to attain our other goals. One of those was the
most boat we could build that'd still be cartoppable. Hence the 1/4"
plywood skin. That makes her a little delicate for my two teenage
boys, and us two adult beginners. In two years, we have cracked two
thwarts by coming down hard on one knee in the middle of a span of
1/4" plywood. On the bottom, though, no hint of oilcanning at all.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/sisu/index.htm
As it turns out, this cartopping of a 16' boat weighting maybe 150
pounds is getting old. We are modifying an old trailer to receive her.
If we'd known we would be trailering her anyway, we might have
inquired of the designer about switching to a 3/8" or 1/2" bottom, and
beefed up those seat-tops as well. Might also have switched from
western red cedar to douglas fir (oregon pine) for the little bit of
framing in the boat. One of the most knowledgable Ol' Coots describes
Sisu as "sporty". Thise mods would make her less so, but would also
make her less delicate.
So, thinking about Bolger designs - which of his could be considered
similar to the Goat Island Skiff? Maybe Junebug? Others?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep.
What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -- Jean Kerr
<actually, in a boat, we kinda do, eh?>
Thanks. We're very happy with what a pretty boat we ended up with.
Just from the drawings, and even from the fotos we saw, we were
prepared for a bit of an ungainly, slabsided beast. In fact, I think
she's bloody beautiful (he said modestly). I'd have to say that
Michael Storer knows his stuff.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/GIS/GISplan.html
A Coot remarked once that Sharpies tend to look far lovelier in
person. I'd have to agree. However, we were prepared to live with
slab-sided in order to attain our other goals. One of those was the
most boat we could build that'd still be cartoppable. Hence the 1/4"
plywood skin. That makes her a little delicate for my two teenage
boys, and us two adult beginners. In two years, we have cracked two
thwarts by coming down hard on one knee in the middle of a span of
1/4" plywood. On the bottom, though, no hint of oilcanning at all.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/projects/sisu/index.htm
As it turns out, this cartopping of a 16' boat weighting maybe 150
pounds is getting old. We are modifying an old trailer to receive her.
If we'd known we would be trailering her anyway, we might have
inquired of the designer about switching to a 3/8" or 1/2" bottom, and
beefed up those seat-tops as well. Might also have switched from
western red cedar to douglas fir (oregon pine) for the little bit of
framing in the boat. One of the most knowledgable Ol' Coots describes
Sisu as "sporty". Thise mods would make her less so, but would also
make her less delicate.
So, thinking about Bolger designs - which of his could be considered
similar to the Goat Island Skiff? Maybe Junebug? Others?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep.
What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" -- Jean Kerr
<actually, in a boat, we kinda do, eh?>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis" <pseudodion@...> wrote:
>
> David,
<SNIP>
>
> Very nice boat, btw. When I first saw the pics, the profile of the
GIS looked initially like a New Haven Sharpie. Keep us informed of
your progress, and be sure to post some pictures of Sisu under a press
of canvas. Also, can you tell me if you have problems with oilcanning.
The bottom of that boat seems awful thin at 1/4 inch.
>
> All the Best,
> Dennis
David, I learned to sail from the pictures in the appendix of one of Dynamite Payson's instant
boat books about 7 years ago. I think you are in much better shape to learn with all those
coots willing to give you their experience than I was. I would not trade the comedy of errors
that has been my sailing instructor for anything in the world, however, as I love sailing more
and more.
Very nice boat, btw. When I first saw the pics, the profile of the GIS looked initially like a New
Haven Sharpie. Keep us informed of your progress, and be sure to post some pictures of Sisu
under a press of canvas. Also, can you tell me if you have problems with oilcanning. The
bottom of that boat seems awful thin at 1/4 inch.
All the Best,
Dennis
boat books about 7 years ago. I think you are in much better shape to learn with all those
coots willing to give you their experience than I was. I would not trade the comedy of errors
that has been my sailing instructor for anything in the world, however, as I love sailing more
and more.
Very nice boat, btw. When I first saw the pics, the profile of the GIS looked initially like a New
Haven Sharpie. Keep us informed of your progress, and be sure to post some pictures of Sisu
under a press of canvas. Also, can you tell me if you have problems with oilcanning. The
bottom of that boat seems awful thin at 1/4 inch.
All the Best,
Dennis
Gladly David after all you did offer to be a figure head at the end of
the gang plank.
Jon
the gang plank.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> Fie upon your doubting, overcautious words <BG> I'll be sailing again
> soon after we get the trailer finished. You better get that
> sternwheeler done, so you can rescue me next time 8^O That pattern
> has (for good or ill) been common throughout my various pursuits. >
Jon,
Fie upon your doubting, overcautious words <BG> I'll be sailing again
soon after we get the trailer finished. You better get that
sternwheeler done, so you can rescue me next time 8^O That pattern
has (for good or ill) been common throughout my various pursuits. For
example, dirtbike racing. Push it until you crash, or something
breaks, then dial it back a bit. Learn to recognize the cusp between
fasterthanshit and roadrash - then respect it. Perhaps this approach
is reckless, but I'm not sure I'm smart enough or mature enough to do
it differently <G> I should have waited for Pat to take me out. He's
very experienced, far smarter, and much more mature. But... as he
says, I learned a lot in that half-hour. And it'll certainly stick
with me!
The previous wetting had nothing to do with the libations. Just not
used to how tender she is with that big wood stick 16' up in the air.
<That's my story, and neither dynamite nor framing jacks shall budge
me from it> LOL
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"What does not kill me, makes me stronger" -- Nietzsche
***********************
Fie upon your doubting, overcautious words <BG> I'll be sailing again
soon after we get the trailer finished. You better get that
sternwheeler done, so you can rescue me next time 8^O That pattern
has (for good or ill) been common throughout my various pursuits. For
example, dirtbike racing. Push it until you crash, or something
breaks, then dial it back a bit. Learn to recognize the cusp between
fasterthanshit and roadrash - then respect it. Perhaps this approach
is reckless, but I'm not sure I'm smart enough or mature enough to do
it differently <G> I should have waited for Pat to take me out. He's
very experienced, far smarter, and much more mature. But... as he
says, I learned a lot in that half-hour. And it'll certainly stick
with me!
The previous wetting had nothing to do with the libations. Just not
used to how tender she is with that big wood stick 16' up in the air.
<That's my story, and neither dynamite nor framing jacks shall budge
me from it> LOL
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"What does not kill me, makes me stronger" -- Nietzsche
***********************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> My bets are back to the motor and ores. The real story is he fell in
> the water pushing off the beach a few hours earlyer in the day.
Might have something to do with refreshments but he sunburns so easly
ya can't tell if he said something he shouldn't have or if it is
anabuse reaction. LOL
>
> Jon
Krissie,
Thanks for the kind words. Damage to skipper limited to minor scrapes
& bruises. That and being tired from the exertions of trying to right
the boat, and self-rescue, and from being in the water for that long.
Damage to ego negligable, due to size of ego <G>
I'm completely convinced that self-preservation is the primary motive,
after watching me nearly mow down my new friend Topher in his little
Puddle Duck Racer, and thereupon neatly gybing myself into the turtled
position. Who in their right mind would want to sail in company with
me - or heaver forfend, in the same boat - prior to some rudimentary
instruction ];^)
Seriously, my ego did take a hit, and I'm determined to learn enough
to avoid making such a fool of myself in the future. Also - you're
very right - it is heartwarming that my mates are willing to share
their experience with me. I am indeed blessed to have fallen in with
such a generous and knowledgable group of folks.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give" --
Winston Churchill
**********************
Thanks for the kind words. Damage to skipper limited to minor scrapes
& bruises. That and being tired from the exertions of trying to right
the boat, and self-rescue, and from being in the water for that long.
Damage to ego negligable, due to size of ego <G>
I'm completely convinced that self-preservation is the primary motive,
after watching me nearly mow down my new friend Topher in his little
Puddle Duck Racer, and thereupon neatly gybing myself into the turtled
position. Who in their right mind would want to sail in company with
me - or heaver forfend, in the same boat - prior to some rudimentary
instruction ];^)
Seriously, my ego did take a hit, and I'm determined to learn enough
to avoid making such a fool of myself in the future. Also - you're
very right - it is heartwarming that my mates are willing to share
their experience with me. I am indeed blessed to have fallen in with
such a generous and knowledgable group of folks.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give" --
Winston Churchill
**********************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> David I don't think they are offering you sailing
> lessions for self-preservation....They already know
> how to sail.... I think it's more to keep you from
> doing yourself in and not them.
>
> Yes I do know what you were trying to say. And it's
> good to have people willing to shair their knowlage
> with you!
>
> Hmmm minor damage to the neophyte skipper.... I hope
> mainly to the EGO!
>
> I know I've had my EGO bashed a few times when handing
> a boat. Even with my Dad standing there keeping an eye
> on what I was doing. Hey the man trusted me with a 300
> ton power barge. That's also where I learned that you
> don't come into the dock any faster then you want to
> hit it! AND plan well ahead of yourself!
>
> Goddess Bless Krissie
My bets are back to the motor and ores. The real story is he fell in
the water pushing off the beach a few hours earlyer in the day. Might
have something to do with refreshments but he sunburns so easly ya
can't tell if he said something he shouldn't have or if it is anabuse
reaction. LOL
Jon
the water pushing off the beach a few hours earlyer in the day. Might
have something to do with refreshments but he sunburns so easly ya
can't tell if he said something he shouldn't have or if it is anabuse
reaction. LOL
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
>
> In anutshell: an inexperienced sailor (never sailed before that
day) who
> didn't realize how tricky a jibe can be...
>
> Fortunately he took the spill in good spirit and will be more
careful as
> he continues to learn the joys of the sailing life.
>
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:38:02 -0700, Dennis wrote:
>
> > I wish I had been. It looks like a great time. What happened to
the GIS
> > that it capsized?
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@...>
> Show me a man who has enjoyed his school days and I'll show you
> a bully and a bore. <Robert Morley>
>
In anutshell: an inexperienced sailor (never sailed before that day) who
didn't realize how tricky a jibe can be...
Fortunately he took the spill in good spirit and will be more careful as
he continues to learn the joys of the sailing life.
didn't realize how tricky a jibe can be...
Fortunately he took the spill in good spirit and will be more careful as
he continues to learn the joys of the sailing life.
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:38:02 -0700, Dennis wrote:
> I wish I had been. It looks like a great time. What happened to the GIS
> that it capsized?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
Show me a man who has enjoyed his school days and I'll show you
a bully and a bore. <Robert Morley>
David I don't think they are offering you sailing
lessions for self-preservation....They already know
how to sail.... I think it's more to keep you from
doing yourself in and not them.
Yes I do know what you were trying to say. And it's
good to have people willing to shair their knowlage
with you!
Hmmm minor damage to the neophyte skipper.... I hope
mainly to the EGO!
I know I've had my EGO bashed a few times when handing
a boat. Even with my Dad standing there keeping an eye
on what I was doing. Hey the man trusted me with a 300
ton power barge. That's also where I learned that you
don't come into the dock any faster then you want to
hit it! AND plan well ahead of yourself!
Goddess Bless Krissie
--- David <arbordg@...> wrote:
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
lessions for self-preservation....They already know
how to sail.... I think it's more to keep you from
doing yourself in and not them.
Yes I do know what you were trying to say. And it's
good to have people willing to shair their knowlage
with you!
Hmmm minor damage to the neophyte skipper.... I hope
mainly to the EGO!
I know I've had my EGO bashed a few times when handing
a boat. Even with my Dad standing there keeping an eye
on what I was doing. Hey the man trusted me with a 300
ton power barge. That's also where I learned that you
don't come into the dock any faster then you want to
hit it! AND plan well ahead of yourself!
Goddess Bless Krissie
--- David <arbordg@...> wrote:
> Dennis,____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Both Sisu, the Goat Island Skiff, and its neophyte
> driver (that's me)
> are fine. No damage to the boat, minor damage to the
> driver. Lots of
> useful lessons learned. Here's a link to fome fotos.
> The bottom right
> is just prior to flipping. Bottom left is
> post-rescue.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/9270240@N02/?saved=1
>
> Several of the the other Ol' Coots have offered some
> private
> instruction on sailing technique... largely out of a
> sense of
> self-preservation, I'm guessing <G>
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
>
> "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival"
> -- W. Edwards Deming
>
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Dennis,
Both Sisu, the Goat Island Skiff, and its neophyte driver (that's me)
are fine. No damage to the boat, minor damage to the driver. Lots of
useful lessons learned. Here's a link to fome fotos. The bottom right
is just prior to flipping. Bottom left is post-rescue.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9270240@N02/?saved=1
Several of the the other Ol' Coots have offered some private
instruction on sailing technique... largely out of a sense of
self-preservation, I'm guessing <G>
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival" -- W. Edwards Deming
*****************
Both Sisu, the Goat Island Skiff, and its neophyte driver (that's me)
are fine. No damage to the boat, minor damage to the driver. Lots of
useful lessons learned. Here's a link to fome fotos. The bottom right
is just prior to flipping. Bottom left is post-rescue.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9270240@N02/?saved=1
Several of the the other Ol' Coots have offered some private
instruction on sailing technique... largely out of a sense of
self-preservation, I'm guessing <G>
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival" -- W. Edwards Deming
*****************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis" <pseudodion@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@> wrote:
> >
> > Here are some photos from our recent small boat messabout at
Caterpillar
> > Island on the Columbia River. You shoulda been there:
>
> I wish I had been. It looks like a great time. What happened to the
GIS that it capsized?
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
>I wish I had been. It looks like a great time. What happened to the GIS that it capsized?
> Here are some photos from our recent small boat messabout at Caterpillar
> Island on the Columbia River. You shoulda been there:
Here are some photos from our recent small boat messabout at Caterpillar
Island on the Columbia River. You shoulda been there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/sets/72157600508397101/
http://andrewlinn.com/070624_quinns/solstice_messabout_start.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9270240@N02/?saved=1
--
John <jkohnen@...>
Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows
anything about it, he shouldn't. <G. B. Shaw>
Island on the Columbia River. You shoulda been there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/sets/72157600508397101/
http://andrewlinn.com/070624_quinns/solstice_messabout_start.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9270240@N02/?saved=1
--
John <jkohnen@...>
Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows
anything about it, he shouldn't. <G. B. Shaw>