Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
The pivot height is determined by the "cabin" roof height so that the mast, boom, gaff and sail will lie in a straight horizontal line while trailering. The mast's butt is used to clamp the mast in the erect position, so making it shorter reduces the leverage available. (Ben Ho cheated when he eliminated it while adding a bowsprit and a forestay. One more reason his boat looks so good.)
A slight savings in appearance that doesn't show on the model is that the tabernacle mounts the turning blocks for the two halyards and the topping lift, and the boom attachment. (I still haven't figured how to secure the sail's tack.) There'll be other strings going aloft too but they may terminate elsewhere. (Lazy jacks and pennant halyard and gaff vang.)
Roger
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A slight savings in appearance that doesn't show on the model is that the tabernacle mounts the turning blocks for the two halyards and the topping lift, and the boom attachment. (I still haven't figured how to secure the sail's tack.) There'll be other strings going aloft too but they may terminate elsewhere. (Lazy jacks and pennant halyard and gaff vang.)
Roger
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From: Rick Bedard
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
It still looks massive, especially the part extending above the deck. I take it you want the pivot that high? Couldn't the pivot could be lower if the mast butt was cut off and the piece used to block up from the keel step. Ah, there must be more to it than I realize seeing as Bolger designed it.
You have that nice model so experiment, paint it the color of your choice and leave the tabernacle and mast varnished, set it out on your lawn (or a lake) and squint your eyes. Then paint the model's tabernacle to match the deck, see how it looks to you. Hopefully someone with some artistic training will explain, there are paint schemes to make things stick out or blend in depending on your need.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
It is Bolger's design.
The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load below the deck.
How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Bedard
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
Roger,
Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the mast to blend them together?
Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so, ignore what I write below.
If not, (seeing as I have some free time and always have an opinion) it looks way more than necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low crossblocks are better? All the strength of that tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no other load. So couldn't it be thinned down extensively, The back section could get some cutouts above the deck and removed completely where the bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper the sides? Although I would think that
the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin (except when lowering the mast), so even that section seems overkill to me.
Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would reduce the bulky impression....
Of course I may not be seeing things for what they are.
All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but you asked....
By the way, nice looking boat.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
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http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
woodworking handy work with a wonderfully practical purpose. I would
finish it to match whatever finish you have planned for the mast.
Just my little .o2 cents worth.
Sincerely,
peter Lenihan
>it looks
> I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared,
> like a monster.Gee Roger.........I don't see a monster at all.Just a lovely bit of
>
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
woodworking handy work with a wonderfully practical purpose. I would
finish it to match whatever finish you have planned for the mast.
Just my little .o2 cents worth.
Sincerely,
peter Lenihan
It still looks massive, especially the part extending above the deck. I take it you want the pivot that high? Couldn't the pivot could be lower if the mast butt was cut off and the piece used to block up from the keel step. Ah, there must be more to it than I realize seeing as Bolger designed it.
You have that nice model so experiment, paint it the color of your choice and leave the tabernacle and mast varnished, set it out on your lawn (or a lake) and squint your eyes. Then paint the model's tabernacle to match the deck, see how it looks to you. Hopefully someone with some artistic training will explain, there are paint schemes to make things stick out or blend in depending on your need.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
It is Bolger's design.
The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load below the deck.
How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
You have that nice model so experiment, paint it the color of your choice and leave the tabernacle and mast varnished, set it out on your lawn (or a lake) and squint your eyes. Then paint the model's tabernacle to match the deck, see how it looks to you. Hopefully someone with some artistic training will explain, there are paint schemes to make things stick out or blend in depending on your need.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
It is Bolger's design.
The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load below the deck.
How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Bedard
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
Roger,
Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the mast to blend them together?
Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so, ignore what I write below.
If not, (seeing as I have some free time and always have an opinion) it looks way more than necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low crossblocks are better? All the strength of that tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no other load. So couldn't it be thinned down extensively, The back section could get some cutouts above the deck and removed completely where the bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper the sides? Although I would think that
the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin (except when lowering the mast), so even that section seems overkill to me.
Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would reduce the bulky impression....
Of course I may not be seeing things for what they are.
All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but you asked....
By the way, nice looking boat.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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You could remake the tabernacle as a bolt in out of
steel or aluminum. That way it would not be so bulky
or clunky looking.
Or maybe just cut it flush with the deck and become a
motor boat..... ;) Then you don't have to worry how it
looks at all.
But then again it's your boat and you can have it your
way! (I hope they know I'm being funny)
Krissie
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steel or aluminum. That way it would not be so bulky
or clunky looking.
Or maybe just cut it flush with the deck and become a
motor boat..... ;) Then you don't have to worry how it
looks at all.
But then again it's your boat and you can have it your
way! (I hope they know I'm being funny)
Krissie
--- derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
> It is Bolger's design.____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it
> folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load
> below the deck.
>
> How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I
> threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy
> razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for
> other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
>
> Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Bedard
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
>
>
> Roger,
>
> Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the
> boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the
> mast to blend them together?
>
> Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so,
> ignore what I write below.
>
>
> If not, (seeing as I have some free time and
> always have an opinion) it looks way more than
> necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that
> the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the
> pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low
> crossblocks are better? All the strength of that
> tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems
> unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail
> load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of
> tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to
> the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from
> the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It
> only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no
> other load. So couldn't it be thinned down
> extensively, The back section could get some cutouts
> above the deck and removed completely where the
> bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half
> or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is
> to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper
> the sides? Although I would think that
> the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin
> (except when lowering the mast), so even that
> section seems overkill to me.
>
> Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would
> reduce the bulky impression....
>
> Of course I may not be seeing things for what they
> are.
>
> All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but
> you asked....
>
> By the way, nice looking boat.
>
> Rick
>
> derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
> I've got to the point of test fitting the
> tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
> like a monster.
>
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less
> obtrusive? Bruce, would
> your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent
> bulk?
>
> (Ben Ho, you cheated!)
>
> Roger
>derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
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> removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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It is Bolger's design.
The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load below the deck.
How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
The mast ends high enough to clear the stem when it folds down, so the tabernacle is carrying the load below the deck.
How does the paint do it? That's why I'm asking. I threatened Suzanne with maybe using a Royal Navy razzle-dazzle camouflage scheme, but that was for other issues. Maybe make it a totem pole?
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Bedard
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Tabernacle thoughts?
Roger,
Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the mast to blend them together?
Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so, ignore what I write below.
If not, (seeing as I have some free time and always have an opinion) it looks way more than necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low crossblocks are better? All the strength of that tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no other load. So couldn't it be thinned down extensively, The back section could get some cutouts above the deck and removed completely where the bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper the sides? Although I would think that
the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin (except when lowering the mast), so even that section seems overkill to me.
Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would reduce the bulky impression....
Of course I may not be seeing things for what they are.
All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but you asked....
By the way, nice looking boat.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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Roger,
Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the mast to blend them together?
Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so, ignore what I write below.
If not, (seeing as I have some free time and always have an opinion) it looks way more than necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low crossblocks are better? All the strength of that tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no other load. So couldn't it be thinned down extensively, The back section could get some cutouts above the deck and removed completely where the bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper the sides? Although I would think that
the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin (except when lowering the mast), so even that section seems overkill to me.
Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would reduce the bulky impression....
Of course I may not be seeing things for what they are.
All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but you asked....
By the way, nice looking boat.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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Paint to make the tabernacle look smaller and the boat larger? How do you do that? Varnish it and the mast to blend them together?
Is this Bolger's design for the tabernacle? If so, ignore what I write below.
If not, (seeing as I have some free time and always have an opinion) it looks way more than necessary, yet it seems, to my untrained eye, that the mast is very vulnerable to snapping right at the pin. Isn't that why the pinless high and low crossblocks are better? All the strength of that tabernacle from the pivot pin to the mast base seems unwarranted as the mast itself would take any sail load if the tabernacle wasn't there. That section of tabernacle is to transfer the weight of the mast to the bulkead that the tabernacle is attached to from the area by that pin when lowering the mast... It only needs to handle the weight of the mast, no other load. So couldn't it be thinned down extensively, The back section could get some cutouts above the deck and removed completely where the bulkhead is, while the sides reduced in size by half or more, perhaps leaving the upper six inches as is to carry the pivot without splitting? Maybe taper the sides? Although I would think that
the heel of the mast takes the load, not the pin (except when lowering the mast), so even that section seems overkill to me.
Even just tapering the side pieces slighty would reduce the bulky impression....
Of course I may not be seeing things for what they are.
All the above it seat of the pants guesswork, but you asked....
By the way, nice looking boat.
Rick
derbyrm <derbyrm@...> wrote:
I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
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I've got to the point of test fitting the tabernacle. As I feared, it looks
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
like a monster.
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/tabernacle.html
Does anyone have any thoughts about making it less obtrusive? Bruce, would
your barouche paint scheme reduce its apparent bulk?
(Ben Ho, you cheated!)
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm