Re: [bolger] Re: Tortoise
I mixed Brightsides sapphire blue with a bit of yellow and white to make
a nice aqua for the bottom of a kayak. Unfortunately, when I wanted to
touch up after a couple oyster beds, it was impossible to match, so I
went with the sapphire for the whole bottom. Still, if you are willing
to do a little mixing, the choices are truly uncountable.
Patrick
Bryant Owen wrote:
a nice aqua for the bottom of a kayak. Unfortunately, when I wanted to
touch up after a couple oyster beds, it was impossible to match, so I
went with the sapphire for the whole bottom. Still, if you are willing
to do a little mixing, the choices are truly uncountable.
Patrick
Bryant Owen wrote:
> I presume that applies to the rest of us :-)
>
> Gender aside, as we move into an era of water based paints, new 1 part
> polys, etc. we now have an almost infinite number of colours to
> choose from with boats. The days of being limited to a dozen
> manufacturer's choices is almost gone.
>
> I've seen little the area of colour selection either in terms of what
> goes with what, complimentary tones/colours/stains etc. not to mention
> visibility issues.
>
> Bryant - who'd be quite happy to have a dusty rose coloured boat
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
I'd better not show me boys'n or they'll want one. That'd be one each.
They'd have'ta be blue - o'course. But kids bein' kids they'd have'ta
be diff'rent blues. Two blues for two "true blues" - otherwise troobles.
Have fun there tort'ling along
>Looks great!!
> Posted!
>
>http://crumblingempire.com/tortoise/tortoise.html
I'd better not show me boys'n or they'll want one. That'd be one each.
They'd have'ta be blue - o'course. But kids bein' kids they'd have'ta
be diff'rent blues. Two blues for two "true blues" - otherwise troobles.
Have fun there tort'ling along
Wasn't Maggie about the babies side when you built the light schooner?
Goes to show what happens when you keep feeding them. Like the color,
hope all her friends drive their parents crazy because they wane a boat
like Maggie's.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
Goes to show what happens when you keep feeding them. Like the color,
hope all her friends drive their parents crazy because they wane a boat
like Maggie's.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
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> On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Harry James wrote:
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>> Um -- posted?
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>> HJ
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>> David Ryan wrote:
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>>> Yes!
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>>> On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Harry James wrote:
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>>>> Got pics?
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>>>> HJ
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>>>> David Ryan wrote:
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> On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Harry James wrote:
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> > Um -- posted?
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> > HJ
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> > David Ryan wrote:
> > > Yes!
> > >
> > > On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Harry James wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Got pics?
> > >>
> > >> HJ
> > >>
> > >> David Ryan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I built one for my daughter.
> > >>>
> > >>> We painted it pink.
> > >>>
> > >>> It sails very well!
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On Jul 29, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
handle. Unfortunately, the rig generates enough power that it really
chicken-wings if left on the windward side, so it's better to switch
on the tack, which means more handling. A heavier board might
actually end up being easier to deal with. One of these years we
might give it a try.
At any rate, the boat sails beautifully. When I get tired up chasing
our 18 month old up and down the beach, I put her in the Tortoise,
named Puff Ball, and we go out for a circuit of the South end of the
lake. She loves trailing her hands over the side, or feeding me
crackers while we dribble along!
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>What a great Tortoise! Pound for pound that has to be the bestBolger design.
>I notice your elegant solution to the dagger board question.I made it out of 1/4", to make it as easy as possible for Maggie to
handle. Unfortunately, the rig generates enough power that it really
chicken-wings if left on the windward side, so it's better to switch
on the tack, which means more handling. A heavier board might
actually end up being easier to deal with. One of these years we
might give it a try.
At any rate, the boat sails beautifully. When I get tired up chasing
our 18 month old up and down the beach, I put her in the Tortoise,
named Puff Ball, and we go out for a circuit of the South end of the
lake. She loves trailing her hands over the side, or feeding me
crackers while we dribble along!
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What a great Tortoise! Pound for pound that has to be the best Bolger
design. I notice your elegant solution to the dagger board question.
This reminds me of memories of personal bliss last month, sailing my
Tortoise in Clear Lake State Park, near Soda Bay, CA. I was sailing
her in the brisk afternoon North wind, maybe 15-20kts, on a portion of
the lake with 5 miles of fetch. In conditions to get the adrenaline
pumping, pushing at hull speed through 1+ foot of swell. The bevel
of the Tortoise bow actually does a good job of floating the boat up
and over the swells.
design. I notice your elegant solution to the dagger board question.
This reminds me of memories of personal bliss last month, sailing my
Tortoise in Clear Lake State Park, near Soda Bay, CA. I was sailing
her in the brisk afternoon North wind, maybe 15-20kts, on a portion of
the lake with 5 miles of fetch. In conditions to get the adrenaline
pumping, pushing at hull speed through 1+ foot of swell. The bevel
of the Tortoise bow actually does a good job of floating the boat up
and over the swells.
Ahhh David thats not pink that is Fusha. OK yes it is
a shade of pink! But.....:) Yes I like the shade of it
as well.
Kind of like calling a Hummer a truck. Yes it is a
truck but it's a Hummer. ;)
Blessings on this fine day
Krissie
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a shade of pink! But.....:) Yes I like the shade of it
as well.
Kind of like calling a Hummer a truck. Yes it is a
truck but it's a Hummer. ;)
Blessings on this fine day
Krissie
--- David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
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> On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Harry James wrote:
>
> > Um -- posted?
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > David Ryan wrote:
> > > Yes!
> > >> Got pics?
> > >> HJ
> > >>
> > >> David Ryan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I built one for my daughter.
> > >>>
> > >>> We painted it pink.
> > >>>
> > >>> It sails very well!
> > >>>
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Harry James wrote:
> Um -- posted?
>
> HJ
>
> David Ryan wrote:
> > Yes!
> >
> > On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Harry James wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Got pics?
> >>
> >> HJ
> >>
> >> David Ryan wrote:
> >>
> >>> I built one for my daughter.
> >>>
> >>> We painted it pink.
> >>>
> >>> It sails very well!
> >>>
> >>>
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I presume that applies to the rest of us :-)
Gender aside, as we move into an era of water based paints, new 1 part
polys, etc. we now have an almost infinite number of colours to
choose from with boats. The days of being limited to a dozen
manufacturer's choices is almost gone.
I've seen little the area of colour selection either in terms of what
goes with what, complimentary tones/colours/stains etc. not to mention
visibility issues.
Bryant - who'd be quite happy to have a dusty rose coloured boat
Gender aside, as we move into an era of water based paints, new 1 part
polys, etc. we now have an almost infinite number of colours to
choose from with boats. The days of being limited to a dozen
manufacturer's choices is almost gone.
I've seen little the area of colour selection either in terms of what
goes with what, complimentary tones/colours/stains etc. not to mention
visibility issues.
Bryant - who'd be quite happy to have a dusty rose coloured boat
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> A pink Tortoise... Why not? Maybe when it's ready for
> some new paint add some hot pink trim?
>
> Yes people as butch as I may sound at times I do have
> a very femme side as well.
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
> --- David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
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> > I built one for my daughter.
> >
> > We painted it pink.
> >
> > It sails very well!
> >
>
>
>
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A pink Tortoise... Why not? Maybe when it's ready for
some new paint add some hot pink trim?
Yes people as butch as I may sound at times I do have
a very femme side as well.
Blessings Krissie
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some new paint add some hot pink trim?
Yes people as butch as I may sound at times I do have
a very femme side as well.
Blessings Krissie
--- David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
> I built one for my daughter.____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> We painted it pink.
>
> It sails very well!
>
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As the BWAOM drawings for Micro show no dimensions of any kind apart
from sail area, nor are panel layout shown, it's not really feasible
to build for the book, unless you were mad enough to try and take
measurements off the drawings in the book and scale them up.
Howard
from sail area, nor are panel layout shown, it's not really feasible
to build for the book, unless you were mad enough to try and take
measurements off the drawings in the book and scale them up.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> There is also a fourth option, build your Micro from the drawings in
> the book. I don't have BWAOM in hand, but I recall that the plans
are
> reproduced there almost in their entirety. Someone please check my
> memory, but little is missing in the book; perhaps the sheet showing
> the nestled panel cut laid out onto ten sheets of 1/4" plywood?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
Good show, I'll email you and we can swap address's and I'll pop the
TS16 plans in an airmail bag.
Even if you never build one, it's a bit of fun to pour over the
design.
Many thanks,
Paul.
>going
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@> wrote:
>
> > Hi Nels,
> >
> > That's a very nice gesture. I had just about given up, and was
> > to build a Hartley TS16 instead, but looking again at the plans Iever
> > think the Micro will be a much easier boat to build.
> >
> > I am willing to buy them from you. Just let me know. If you've
> > dreamed of building a Hartley TS16 we could swap! :)to
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> Funny you should ask as the Hartley TS16 was one of my first boat
> building dreams - about 40 years ago!
>
> I was looking at a Wayfarer brochure that also included Hartley
> information so mailed away for their brochure as well. The Hartley's
> were very innovative I thought. First time I had seen plywood
> multi-chine construction, full-width cabins and I believe water
> ballast was even offered but not sure now.
>
> At that time they had to be ordered directly from NZ and of course I
> was confused about which model I wanted as they ranged from 12 feet
> 21 feet:-) The TS16 or 18 seemed to be the most desirable.Hi Nels,
>
> Sounds like fun to finally get the plans. Micro however has a lot to
> offer that the Hartley's don't have. More interior space without the
> centerboard, easy to rig and very stable.
>
> It is more like a small ship than a larger dinghy.
>
> Here is my email "arvent at hotmail dot com." Send me you mailing
> address and I will get the plans into the mail by next week and will
> air mail them.
>
> We cannot have Micronuts building other designs!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nels
>
Good show, I'll email you and we can swap address's and I'll pop the
TS16 plans in an airmail bag.
Even if you never build one, it's a bit of fun to pour over the
design.
Many thanks,
Paul.
If I recall correctly, an interesting thing about Common Sense Designs
is that it evolved from Common Sense Boats, a company originated by
Elroe LaRow. Micro was originally commissioned by Elroe LaRow.
is that it evolved from Common Sense Boats, a company originated by
Elroe LaRow. Micro was originally commissioned by Elroe LaRow.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@...> wrote:
building dreams - about 40 years ago!
I was looking at a Wayfarer brochure that also included Hartley
information so mailed away for their brochure as well. The Hartley's
were very innovative I thought. First time I had seen plywood
multi-chine construction, full-width cabins and I believe water
ballast was even offered but not sure now.
At that time they had to be ordered directly from NZ and of course I
was confused about which model I wanted as they ranged from 12 feet to
21 feet:-) The TS16 or 18 seemed to be the most desirable.
Sounds like fun to finally get the plans. Micro however has a lot to
offer that the Hartley's don't have. More interior space without the
centerboard, easy to rig and very stable.
It is more like a small ship than a larger dinghy.
Here is my email "arvent at hotmail dot com." Send me you mailing
address and I will get the plans into the mail by next week and will
air mail them.
We cannot have Micronuts building other designs!
Cheers,
Nels
> Hi Nels,Funny you should ask as the Hartley TS16 was one of my first boat
>
> That's a very nice gesture. I had just about given up, and was going
> to build a Hartley TS16 instead, but looking again at the plans I
> think the Micro will be a much easier boat to build.
>
> I am willing to buy them from you. Just let me know. If you've ever
> dreamed of building a Hartley TS16 we could swap! :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
building dreams - about 40 years ago!
I was looking at a Wayfarer brochure that also included Hartley
information so mailed away for their brochure as well. The Hartley's
were very innovative I thought. First time I had seen plywood
multi-chine construction, full-width cabins and I believe water
ballast was even offered but not sure now.
At that time they had to be ordered directly from NZ and of course I
was confused about which model I wanted as they ranged from 12 feet to
21 feet:-) The TS16 or 18 seemed to be the most desirable.
Sounds like fun to finally get the plans. Micro however has a lot to
offer that the Hartley's don't have. More interior space without the
centerboard, easy to rig and very stable.
It is more like a small ship than a larger dinghy.
Here is my email "arvent at hotmail dot com." Send me you mailing
address and I will get the plans into the mail by next week and will
air mail them.
We cannot have Micronuts building other designs!
Cheers,
Nels
> Hi Paul,I'm glad you were able to find plans
>
> Yes, I'm amazed they get away with it.
>
> I am very keen to make a start so they looked like an option.
>
> All sorted now.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Paul.
>
Paul H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p_hardy@...> wrote:
Yes, I'm amazed they get away with it.
I am very keen to make a start so they looked like an option.
All sorted now.
Cheers.
Paul.
>Commonsense
> There are two problems with CSB plans
> First, they do not pay Phil any royalties
> Second, as a result of the first, they do not receive any of the
> updates such as the navigator option on the micro
>
> Paul H
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from
> > designs?offer.
> >
> > What was the quality like? were they complete?
> >
> > I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they
> >Hi Paul,
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
Yes, I'm amazed they get away with it.
I am very keen to make a start so they looked like an option.
All sorted now.
Cheers.
Paul.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lancasterdennis" <dlancast@...> wrote:
I did buy Martha Jane plans (hard copies) from CSD many years ago and
they were awful as you describe. Some bits were unreadable.
Nels has kindly offered to help me out with a set.
Cheers,
Paul.
>I
> -
> When I purchased my "Old Shoe" plans from CSD, I did not know that
> there was an "issue" with that company. I chose to have my plans
> sent to me as hard copies. I downloaded the written building
> instructions off their website. It took longer than I thought for
> the plans to finally arrive. They looked like copies of copies and
> some text were "just" readable. Not what one would expect for the
> price. I chose to proceed with them anyhows and later discovered
> this site and then subsequently found out about the "issues". Had
> known this before, I probably would "not" have purchased my plansof
> from CSD. As it is, the boat is coming together nicely.
>
> It is your choice. I am curious if anyone has contacted the owner
> CSD and asked for the true story about all this. As I see it, youHi Dennis,
> have two, maybe three choices here: PCB (who does not respond), CSD
> (who's plans are not updated, etc.) and Ebay (for used plans).
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Dennis
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
> -- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p_hardy@> wrote:
> >
> > There are two problems with CSB plans
> > First, they do not pay Phil any royalties
> > Second, as a result of the first, they do not receive any of the
> > updates such as the navigator option on the micro
> >
> > Paul H
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from
> Commonsense
> > > designs?
> > >
> > > What was the quality like? were they complete?
> > >
> > > I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they
> offer.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> >
>
I did buy Martha Jane plans (hard copies) from CSD many years ago and
they were awful as you describe. Some bits were unreadable.
Nels has kindly offered to help me out with a set.
Cheers,
Paul.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I'm keen to make a start and Nels has come to the rescue. Restores your
faith in human nature.
Cheers,
Paul.
>Hi Bruce,
> > PCB (who does not respond)
> Stated as a truism, such a statement is unwarranted.
> My guess is that they are on summer vacation.
>
> > As I see it, you
> > have two, maybe three choices here:
>
> There is also a fourth option, build your Micro from the drawings in
> the book. I don't have BWAOM in hand, but I recall that the plans are
> reproduced there almost in their entirety. Someone please check my
> memory, but little is missing in the book; perhaps the sheet showing
> the nestled panel cut laid out onto ten sheets of 1/4" plywood? In
> any case, you would be well served to first build a quick paper model
> before going full size. You could and should work out your layout on
> paper anyway.
>
I'm keen to make a start and Nels has come to the rescue. Restores your
faith in human nature.
Cheers,
Paul.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
That's a very nice gesture. I had just about given up, and was going
to build a Hartley TS16 instead, but looking again at the plans I
think the Micro will be a much easier boat to build.
I am willing to buy them from you. Just let me know. If you've ever
dreamed of building a Hartley TS16 we could swap! :)
Cheers,
Paul
>CSD
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lancasterdennis" <dlancast@> wrote:
> > As I see it, you
> > have two, maybe three choices here: PCB (who does not respond),
> > (who's plans are not updated, etc.) and Ebay (for used plans).years
> >
> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Dennis
> > Bellingham, WA
>
> I have a set of Micro plans that have never been used and for which
> the royalites have been paid. (Purchased from Elrow LaRowe many
> ago.)them
>
> I will never use them as I own a completed Micro purchased already
> built. So I am willing to donate them for free. I only have kept
> to refer to if someone is asking for certain details.to
>
> The problem is that I am not at home right now but would be willing
> send them once I get back to where they are located - probably inHi Nels,
> another week.
>
> These plans even include a couple of B&W photos of Elrow during his
> construction, which he never finished.
>
> I guess in the meantime Paul (mrfirkin) you could start looking at
> getting material together?
>
> Nels
>
That's a very nice gesture. I had just about given up, and was going
to build a Hartley TS16 instead, but looking again at the plans I
think the Micro will be a much easier boat to build.
I am willing to buy them from you. Just let me know. If you've ever
dreamed of building a Hartley TS16 we could swap! :)
Cheers,
Paul
Um -- posted?
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
> Yes!
>
> On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Harry James wrote:
>
>
>> Got pics?
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> David Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I built one for my daughter.
>>>
>>> We painted it pink.
>>>
>>> It sails very well!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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Got pics?
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
> I built one for my daughter.
>
> We painted it pink.
>
> It sails very well!
>
>
>
Yes!
On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Harry James wrote:
> Got pics?
>
> HJ
>
> David Ryan wrote:
> > I built one for my daughter.
> >
> > We painted it pink.
> >
> > It sails very well!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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I built one for my daughter.
We painted it pink.
It sails very well!
We painted it pink.
It sails very well!
> Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from CommonsenseI originally purchased Micro plans from "Commonsense...".
> designs?
>
> What was the quality like? were they complete?
The plans which arrived were poor copies of copies, but were
essentially complete. Of course they bore none of the updates.
BWAOM contains what are essentially 'study plans' - the sheets with
all the essential dimensions are absent [bulkheads, sections and
preshaped sides]. That's not to say that an experienced builder could
not build a fair approximation using the book and some internet
research, but the task would be much greater than building from the
plan set.
One caveat about ordering PDF files - lifting dimensions from printed
plans with a scale ruler is easy - a print from a PDF may not be
accurate as to scale or proportion.
cheers
Derek
> PCB (who does not respond)Stated as a truism, such a statement is unwarranted.
My guess is that they are on summer vacation.
> As I see it, youThere is also a fourth option, build your Micro from the drawings in
> have two, maybe three choices here:
the book. I don't have BWAOM in hand, but I recall that the plans are
reproduced there almost in their entirety. Someone please check my
memory, but little is missing in the book; perhaps the sheet showing
the nestled panel cut laid out onto ten sheets of 1/4" plywood? In
any case, you would be well served to first build a quick paper model
before going full size. You could and should work out your layout on
paper anyway.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lancasterdennis" <dlancast@...> wrote:
the royalites have been paid. (Purchased from Elrow LaRowe many years
ago.)
I will never use them as I own a completed Micro purchased already
built. So I am willing to donate them for free. I only have kept them
to refer to if someone is asking for certain details.
The problem is that I am not at home right now but would be willing to
send them once I get back to where they are located - probably in
another week.
These plans even include a couple of B&W photos of Elrow during his
construction, which he never finished.
I guess in the meantime Paul (mrfirkin) you could start looking at
getting material together?
Nels
> As I see it, youI have a set of Micro plans that have never been used and for which
> have two, maybe three choices here: PCB (who does not respond), CSD
> (who's plans are not updated, etc.) and Ebay (for used plans).
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Dennis
> Bellingham, WA
the royalites have been paid. (Purchased from Elrow LaRowe many years
ago.)
I will never use them as I own a completed Micro purchased already
built. So I am willing to donate them for free. I only have kept them
to refer to if someone is asking for certain details.
The problem is that I am not at home right now but would be willing to
send them once I get back to where they are located - probably in
another week.
These plans even include a couple of B&W photos of Elrow during his
construction, which he never finished.
I guess in the meantime Paul (mrfirkin) you could start looking at
getting material together?
Nels
-
When I purchased my "Old Shoe" plans from CSD, I did not know that
there was an "issue" with that company. I chose to have my plans
sent to me as hard copies. I downloaded the written building
instructions off their website. It took longer than I thought for
the plans to finally arrive. They looked like copies of copies and
some text were "just" readable. Not what one would expect for the
price. I chose to proceed with them anyhows and later discovered
this site and then subsequently found out about the "issues". Had I
known this before, I probably would "not" have purchased my plans
from CSD. As it is, the boat is coming together nicely.
It is your choice. I am curious if anyone has contacted the owner of
CSD and asked for the true story about all this. As I see it, you
have two, maybe three choices here: PCB (who does not respond), CSD
(who's plans are not updated, etc.) and Ebay (for used plans).
Good Luck.
Dennis
Bellingham, WA
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p_hardy@...> wrote:
When I purchased my "Old Shoe" plans from CSD, I did not know that
there was an "issue" with that company. I chose to have my plans
sent to me as hard copies. I downloaded the written building
instructions off their website. It took longer than I thought for
the plans to finally arrive. They looked like copies of copies and
some text were "just" readable. Not what one would expect for the
price. I chose to proceed with them anyhows and later discovered
this site and then subsequently found out about the "issues". Had I
known this before, I probably would "not" have purchased my plans
from CSD. As it is, the boat is coming together nicely.
It is your choice. I am curious if anyone has contacted the owner of
CSD and asked for the true story about all this. As I see it, you
have two, maybe three choices here: PCB (who does not respond), CSD
(who's plans are not updated, etc.) and Ebay (for used plans).
Good Luck.
Dennis
Bellingham, WA
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p_hardy@...> wrote:
>Commonsense
> There are two problems with CSB plans
> First, they do not pay Phil any royalties
> Second, as a result of the first, they do not receive any of the
> updates such as the navigator option on the micro
>
> Paul H
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from
> > designs?offer.
> >
> > What was the quality like? were they complete?
> >
> > I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
There are two problems with CSB plans
First, they do not pay Phil any royalties
Second, as a result of the first, they do not receive any of the
updates such as the navigator option on the micro
Paul H
First, they do not pay Phil any royalties
Second, as a result of the first, they do not receive any of the
updates such as the navigator option on the micro
Paul H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mrfirkin" <thurcros@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from Commonsense
> designs?
>
> What was the quality like? were they complete?
>
> I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they offer.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Paul
>
Has anyone here actually bought a set of Micro plans from Commonsense
designs?
What was the quality like? were they complete?
I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they offer.
Anyone?
Paul
designs?
What was the quality like? were they complete?
I would just be purchasing the downloadable PDF version they offer.
Anyone?
Paul