Re: Small Plywood Diesel Cruiser
At first this thread annoyed me slightly as being a
little "off" topic. However, the persistence of the group in following it
is evidence enough of the broad interest. Now, that persistence has
captured my imagination to the point of doing a little research on my own.
I'm at a stage in my life when I must begin to give some consideration to one,
not so appealing, question. What shall I do when the demands of sailing
exceed my declining agility and endurance? Obviously, the answer is,
"Small Motor Cruiser."
Earlier in the thread, mention was made of Sam Devlin's
"Black Crown 29," and the lament was that plans were not available to amateur
builders. For those interested, I am pleased to report that I have found
that plans for this classically elegant motor cruiser are being offered athttp://www.boatdesigns.com/for the sum
of $325.00, along with a glass fibre covering kit, $673.00, and study plans,
$15.00.
Having carefully scrutinized every one of the suggested
candidates offered to fulfill Sakari Aaltonen's original proposal, and my own
preferences, of course, I find Sam's design the consummate solution. His
"Czarina" is prettier, in my eye, but the elegant accommodations for comfortable
cruising for one or a couple, and the occasional guest couple in "Black Crown"
cannot be matched by anything short of a floating modular home. This is
probably heresy in this list, but "Black Crown" looks like it could easily be
redrawn for steel or aluminum. Anyone have a good mig welder lying around?
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If I'm forced to retire from sailing, I've found my
elegant alternative for cruising alone, with a mate, and with occasional
guests! Thanks to Sakari for posting the proposition, and to all the great
members of this list for their enthusiastic response! And, to Sam Devlin
for an inspired, classical design. My next marine cruising project is in
the queue!
Bill in the Appalachian Foothills of Georgia
sailing on Choctowatchee Bay and the Gulf of Mexico
_/)
jibe ho!
Jim Pope wrote
attached. However, this bow, rather pointy, looks incongruous to me;
too dashing by half for a low-speed cruiser. Another thing, the fore-
deck is very low; I don't see why. The sleeping compartment appears
to be separate from the rest of the interior--thus, you would have to
step outside to enter it. Odd; with a higher foredeck, this might not
be necessary. Now, if you interchanged the positions of the "bridge"
and the engine and cut off the bow at the waterline...
By the way, I just realized that there is a prototype lurking in the
shallow depths of my mind; the boat in "To Have And Have Not", a 1940's
movie with Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, not to forget Walter
Brennan...
Sakari Aaltonen
> ........ I contacted Phil Bolger and had some conversations which ledThe boat looks a bit like Microtrawler with about 3m (10') of bow
> him produce a cartoon of a long distance plywood cruiser. It never went
> any further than the cartoon but I think that he could finish it off if
> any one was interested. She's only 24 feet long but would probably have
> let me cross oceans or at least gone very long distances between stops
> at the fuel pump. I would still like to have her.
>
> I've attached the sketch......
attached. However, this bow, rather pointy, looks incongruous to me;
too dashing by half for a low-speed cruiser. Another thing, the fore-
deck is very low; I don't see why. The sleeping compartment appears
to be separate from the rest of the interior--thus, you would have to
step outside to enter it. Odd; with a higher foredeck, this might not
be necessary. Now, if you interchanged the positions of the "bridge"
and the engine and cut off the bow at the waterline...
By the way, I just realized that there is a prototype lurking in the
shallow depths of my mind; the boat in "To Have And Have Not", a 1940's
movie with Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, not to forget Walter
Brennan...
Sakari Aaltonen
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Gregg Carlson
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Gregg Carlson
>Hi y'all,
>A few years ago before I was declared redundant etc. and fell into a
>money fast, I contacted Phil Bolger and had some conversations which led
>him produce a cartoon of a long distance plywood cruiser. It never went
>any further than the cartoon but I think that he could finish it off if
>any one was interested. She's only 24 feet long but would probably have
>let me cross oceans or at least gone very long distances between stops
>at the fuel pump. I would still like to have her.
>
>I've attached the sketch to this email because I don't know how to use
>the archive facility that I see references to in the group.
>
>Phil had a considerable correspondence with Capt. Beebe who imho wrote
>the bible on long distance voyaging under power. Later versions of that
>book, updated by others, seem to have lost Beebe's crisp focus.
>Jim
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Hi y'all,
A few years ago before I was declared redundant etc. and fell into a
money fast, I contacted Phil Bolger and had some conversations which led
him produce a cartoon of a long distance plywood cruiser. It never went
any further than the cartoon but I think that he could finish it off if
any one was interested. She's only 24 feet long but would probably have
let me cross oceans or at least gone very long distances between stops
at the fuel pump. I would still like to have her.
I've attached the sketch to this email because I don't know how to use
the archive facility that I see references to in the group.
Phil had a considerable correspondence with Capt. Beebe who imho wrote
the bible on long distance voyaging under power. Later versions of that
book, updated by others, seem to have lost Beebe's crisp focus.
Jim
A few years ago before I was declared redundant etc. and fell into a
money fast, I contacted Phil Bolger and had some conversations which led
him produce a cartoon of a long distance plywood cruiser. It never went
any further than the cartoon but I think that he could finish it off if
any one was interested. She's only 24 feet long but would probably have
let me cross oceans or at least gone very long distances between stops
at the fuel pump. I would still like to have her.
I've attached the sketch to this email because I don't know how to use
the archive facility that I see references to in the group.
Phil had a considerable correspondence with Capt. Beebe who imho wrote
the bible on long distance voyaging under power. Later versions of that
book, updated by others, seem to have lost Beebe's crisp focus.
Jim
Thank you for all the suggestions. My comments:
BOLGER
Tahiti is too big.
DEVLIN
Dipper is too small. Surf Scoter is too fast, i.e., meant
for a *big* engine. Black Crown, Topknot, Czarinna: too big.
By the way, the Devlin site lists boats that are not meant
for amateur construction; plans are not available for Black
Crown, say. Plans *are* available for Czarinna, no doubt
a nice boat, but running at 0.75mpg or thereabouts would
ruin me financially. Diesel is USD3.00 a gallon, here.
DAVIS
Jack Tar is not half bad, but the house is too small.
STAMBAUGH
The Redwing house is too *low*.
HANKINSON
Nordcoaster is pretty close to what I have in mind, but it
does look a bit fat. Two berths is all I need.
1940 Richardson 34.5'
(http://www.nemaine.com/classicboatworks/saleboats.html)
Nice, but too big. And I'm really looking for plans, not a
built boat.
Sakari Aaltonen
BOLGER
Tahiti is too big.
DEVLIN
Dipper is too small. Surf Scoter is too fast, i.e., meant
for a *big* engine. Black Crown, Topknot, Czarinna: too big.
By the way, the Devlin site lists boats that are not meant
for amateur construction; plans are not available for Black
Crown, say. Plans *are* available for Czarinna, no doubt
a nice boat, but running at 0.75mpg or thereabouts would
ruin me financially. Diesel is USD3.00 a gallon, here.
DAVIS
Jack Tar is not half bad, but the house is too small.
STAMBAUGH
The Redwing house is too *low*.
HANKINSON
Nordcoaster is pretty close to what I have in mind, but it
does look a bit fat. Two berths is all I need.
1940 Richardson 34.5'
(http://www.nemaine.com/classicboatworks/saleboats.html)
Nice, but too big. And I'm really looking for plans, not a
built boat.
Sakari Aaltonen
While building an Oldshoe, I have become haunted by the idea
of a small plywood diesel cruiser. Bolger has one in BwaOM,
p. 293, but there is a note in the text that the builder
was a professional such that the construction might not be
suitable for an amateur (such as myself). Also, I find the
house very ugly and went as far as to redraw it (if anyone is
interested, seehttp://www.hut.fi/~sakaria/diesel.gif.)
Would anyone know of other designs? Bolger or non-Bolger?
I like Microtrawler and Retriever, but they both seem to be
meant to be powered by (gasoline) outboards. I *think* this
is true for Retriever; I know little about it.
I know Michael Kasten designs cute small cruisers, but they are
built with aluminium. George Buehler's designs are nice, but
*large*--6 to 7.5 meters (20' to 25') is my comfortable size.
There is SurfScoter by Sam Devlin, but I'm really looking for
a displacement hull...
Thank you,
Sakari Aaltonen
of a small plywood diesel cruiser. Bolger has one in BwaOM,
p. 293, but there is a note in the text that the builder
was a professional such that the construction might not be
suitable for an amateur (such as myself). Also, I find the
house very ugly and went as far as to redraw it (if anyone is
interested, seehttp://www.hut.fi/~sakaria/diesel.gif.)
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Would anyone know of other designs? Bolger or non-Bolger?
I like Microtrawler and Retriever, but they both seem to be
meant to be powered by (gasoline) outboards. I *think* this
is true for Retriever; I know little about it.
I know Michael Kasten designs cute small cruisers, but they are
built with aluminium. George Buehler's designs are nice, but
*large*--6 to 7.5 meters (20' to 25') is my comfortable size.
There is SurfScoter by Sam Devlin, but I'm really looking for
a displacement hull...
Thank you,
Sakari Aaltonen