Re: bolger designs
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
Now I need to figure out what needs to be changed.
I am a shipwright/rebuilder. Not the best computer opperator!
PS. this is a wonderful boat. Took 4 months full time work to renew.
It does have the slight steering problem that Phil wrote about driving
him crazy. Until he read Ed Monks boat building books and found an answer.
A pair of stab fins 24 inches befor the stern heel.
Phil designed the boat and only later found out it sat 5 inches low in
the stern. Thus,the boat was riding at an angle upward to the stem.
The original twin 135 hp. Flat heads and a pair of 100 gal fuel tanks
in the rear engine room added even more weight to the stern.
Especially with the full 200 gals fuel.
I keep both tanks at 75 gals each. This works fine even for offshore
into the Pacfic for salmon fishing.
The boat seems to really love heavy blue water. 12 footers are really
fun to take on. The waves break far behind the sheerline with the deep
almost sailboat bow.
>To the best of my knowledge, there were a total of 6 built.
> --- "Michael" <skipper-mike@> wrote:
> > Called the Out O'Gloucester.
> > They were built in Japan and then fitted out in the USA.
> >
> > I own this one.
>
> Dear Micheal,
>
> if you are confident about the year your lady was built, as well as
> the number about how many sisters she has, you might consider
> correcting the entries in the group's database.
>
> Thanks!
> Stefan
>
Now I need to figure out what needs to be changed.
I am a shipwright/rebuilder. Not the best computer opperator!
PS. this is a wonderful boat. Took 4 months full time work to renew.
It does have the slight steering problem that Phil wrote about driving
him crazy. Until he read Ed Monks boat building books and found an answer.
A pair of stab fins 24 inches befor the stern heel.
Phil designed the boat and only later found out it sat 5 inches low in
the stern. Thus,the boat was riding at an angle upward to the stem.
The original twin 135 hp. Flat heads and a pair of 100 gal fuel tanks
in the rear engine room added even more weight to the stern.
Especially with the full 200 gals fuel.
I keep both tanks at 75 gals each. This works fine even for offshore
into the Pacfic for salmon fishing.
The boat seems to really love heavy blue water. 12 footers are really
fun to take on. The waves break far behind the sheerline with the deep
almost sailboat bow.
--- "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
Cheers,
Stefan
>I assume that they have anyway some kind of list, at least hand-written.
>> Do you think, if they don't like to publish details
>> of their designs, that they at least publish a list
>> with 668 lines, one column for the design number,
>> another one with the design name?
>
> 668 lines, ten single spaced pages or more.
> Personally, I would rather Phil Bolger spend his time designing more
> boats, versus covering old ground by cataloging old designs.
> Here at this group we keep a list of the majority of the designs.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3&sortBy=2&prntRpt=1
>
>
>That list is a good start, but it is incomplete, and has some errors.
Cheers,
Stefan
-Hello everyone,
In this conversation about plans and numbers, I have a question. Is
there a book or master file available that I can access for
information and especially drawings of the 1958 30ft. Gloucester? I
own one of perhaps 6 built by Phil Bolger in Japan for the USA. Market.
My email.skipper-mike@...
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
In this conversation about plans and numbers, I have a question. Is
there a book or master file available that I can access for
information and especially drawings of the 1958 30ft. Gloucester? I
own one of perhaps 6 built by Phil Bolger in Japan for the USA. Market.
My email.skipper-mike@...
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bruce
>
> > They recently wrote that the numbered designs are up to 668.
> > Certainly a hundred, or more, incomplete designs exist. And yes, they
> > have written that some of the early design drawings are partially or
> > completely missing.
>
> The August 1 MAIB shows design #679-B, so the number is much higher
> now. Becky Thatcher is 669, I believe, and AS34 is #676, but I don't
> know anything about numbers higher than that except to speculate that
> most of them are related to the fishing boat initiative and the Navy
> landing craft project.
>
> Obviously not all of the numbered designs are completed. Insolent 60
> was to be #666, and I believe #667 was dropped in favor of AS34 by the
> client. We are of course still patiently waiting on #668 Auriga, with
> less hope as each year passes. It would be nice to see AS34, at least,
> get finished, since I think it would be a popular design, but I think
> that the fishing boat effort has completely consumed PB&F.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
Hi Bruce
now. Becky Thatcher is 669, I believe, and AS34 is #676, but I don't
know anything about numbers higher than that except to speculate that
most of them are related to the fishing boat initiative and the Navy
landing craft project.
Obviously not all of the numbered designs are completed. Insolent 60
was to be #666, and I believe #667 was dropped in favor of AS34 by the
client. We are of course still patiently waiting on #668 Auriga, with
less hope as each year passes. It would be nice to see AS34, at least,
get finished, since I think it would be a popular design, but I think
that the fishing boat effort has completely consumed PB&F.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> They recently wrote that the numbered designs are up to 668.The August 1 MAIB shows design #679-B, so the number is much higher
> Certainly a hundred, or more, incomplete designs exist. And yes, they
> have written that some of the early design drawings are partially or
> completely missing.
now. Becky Thatcher is 669, I believe, and AS34 is #676, but I don't
know anything about numbers higher than that except to speculate that
most of them are related to the fishing boat initiative and the Navy
landing craft project.
Obviously not all of the numbered designs are completed. Insolent 60
was to be #666, and I believe #667 was dropped in favor of AS34 by the
client. We are of course still patiently waiting on #668 Auriga, with
less hope as each year passes. It would be nice to see AS34, at least,
get finished, since I think it would be a popular design, but I think
that the fishing boat effort has completely consumed PB&F.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> Do you think, if they don't like to publish details of their designs,668 lines, ten single spaced pages or more.
> that they at least publish a list with 668 lines, one column for the
> design number, another one with the design name?
>
> Shouldn't take too much time of them, no?
The first Bolger designs were not numbered the say, instead the tenth
boat designed in 1958 was numbered 10-58. Eventually, at about the
100th boat design, Bolger went on to using 100, 101, 102.
I actually think the total number of boat designs is much more than
668, because quite a few of the designs were 'not finished' in Phil
Bolger's opinion, yet many of these partially finished designs are
complete enough to build.
Personally, I would rather Phil Bolger spend his time designing more
boats, versus covering old ground by cataloging old designs.
Here at this group we keep a list of the majority of the designs.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3&sortBy=2&prntRpt=1
--- "Michael" <skipper-mike@...> wrote:
if you are confident about the year your lady was built, as well as
the number about how many sisters she has, you might consider
correcting the entries in the group's database.
Thanks!
Stefan
> Called the Out O'Gloucester.Dear Micheal,
> They were built in Japan and then fitted out in the USA.
>
> I own this one.
if you are confident about the year your lady was built, as well as
the number about how many sisters she has, you might consider
correcting the entries in the group's database.
Thanks!
Stefan
--- "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
that they at least publish a list with 668 lines, one column for the
design number, another one with the design name?
Shouldn't take too much time of them, no?
Cheers,
Stefan
> They recently wrote that the numbered designs are up to 668.Do you think, if they don't like to publish details of their designs,
that they at least publish a list with 668 lines, one column for the
design number, another one with the design name?
Shouldn't take too much time of them, no?
Cheers,
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <skipper-mike@...> wrote:
boats. An example from Boating with an Open Mind is Barn Owl, a 50'
auxilliary schooner with double centreboards, and massive accommodation
(s). Have a look at this Group's database of Bolger designs.
Howard
> Must be the most complicated boat he ever designed.... not by a long way. He's designed many much larger more complicated
>
>http://www.gloucesterboat.zoomshare.com
boats. An example from Boating with an Open Mind is Barn Owl, a 50'
auxilliary schooner with double centreboards, and massive accommodation
(s). Have a look at this Group's database of Bolger designs.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <skipper-mike@...> wrote:
http://www.gloucesterboat.zoomshare.com
>Must be the most complicated boat he ever designed.
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <daveseeton@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any one sight you can find all of Mr. Bolger's designs &
> pic
> > or drawings?
> > Dave
>
> I think there is.
>
> Here is a very little known Phil Bolger design/built boat he did in
> the late 1950's thru early 1960's
>
> Called the Out O'Gloucester.
> They were built in Japan and then fitted out in the USA.
>
> I own this one. Its 30 feet. Double planked, rivited mahagany. Twin
> GrayMarine 100's with Palmer tranny's.
>
> Eaton silent chain outdrives. Full displacement hull.
> Draft is 4.5 feet.
>
> Very, very sea worthy.
>
> Check my profile. Will email photos if interested.
> >Adding the photos link to my Gloucester.
http://www.gloucesterboat.zoomshare.com
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <daveseeton@...> wrote:
Here is a very little known Phil Bolger design/built boat he did in
the late 1950's thru early 1960's
Called the Out O'Gloucester.
They were built in Japan and then fitted out in the USA.
I own this one. Its 30 feet. Double planked, rivited mahagany. Twin
GrayMarine 100's with Palmer tranny's.
Eaton silent chain outdrives. Full displacement hull.
Draft is 4.5 feet.
Very, very sea worthy.
Check my profile. Will email photos if interested.
>pic
> Is there any one sight you can find all of Mr. Bolger's designs &
> or drawings?I think there is.
> Dave
Here is a very little known Phil Bolger design/built boat he did in
the late 1950's thru early 1960's
Called the Out O'Gloucester.
They were built in Japan and then fitted out in the USA.
I own this one. Its 30 feet. Double planked, rivited mahagany. Twin
GrayMarine 100's with Palmer tranny's.
Eaton silent chain outdrives. Full displacement hull.
Draft is 4.5 feet.
Very, very sea worthy.
Check my profile. Will email photos if interested.
>
Well now, "Boats with an Open Mind" is the only one I don't have. Those
original four plus "100 Small Boat Rigs." Nope--none of them is for sale. It
is still fun to just sit and read his pithy writings about the various
designs.
--
John Freeman
Check us out at--
http://2oldkiters.smugmug.com/
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original four plus "100 Small Boat Rigs." Nope--none of them is for sale. It
is still fun to just sit and read his pithy writings about the various
designs.
--
John Freeman
Check us out at--
http://2oldkiters.smugmug.com/
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>They recently wrote that the numbered designs are up to 668.
> Nope, it is possible that even he doesn't have copies of all of them, I
> believe there are over 700 now.
Certainly a hundred, or more, incomplete designs exist. And yes, they
have written that some of the early design drawings are partially or
completely missing.
>. Bolger doesn't have a web presence.Using Google searches you can find a lot.
Also, I like the social bookmarking sites like del.icio.us where we
can share our favorite 'Bolger links', see for instance:
http://del.icio.us/tag/bolger
Nope, it is possible that even he doesn't have copies of all of them, I
believe there are over 700 now. . Bolger doesn't have a web presence.
There are many of the designs featured in various Bolger files and data
bases on Yahoo. The other major source is the 5 books on design he has
published of which only "Boats With an Open" mind is still in print. If
you have several hundred dollars the rest can be found on the web, great
reading.
HJ
Dave wrote:
believe there are over 700 now. . Bolger doesn't have a web presence.
There are many of the designs featured in various Bolger files and data
bases on Yahoo. The other major source is the 5 books on design he has
published of which only "Boats With an Open" mind is still in print. If
you have several hundred dollars the rest can be found on the web, great
reading.
HJ
Dave wrote:
> Is there any one sight you can find all of Mr. Bolger's designs & pic
> or drawings?
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Is there any one sight you can find all of Mr. Bolger's designs & picOnly at his place. Maybe one day they'll all be published in books.
> or drawings?
Is there any one sight you can find all of Mr. Bolger's designs & pic
or drawings?
Dave
or drawings?
Dave