Re: Long Micro floating pics
--tks for sharing Bill, A tribute to PCB and your building skills.
Would love to see some sailing shots when you get crew. ahahahhah...
10ftrs indeed!
Best regards,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA
- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
Would love to see some sailing shots when you get crew. ahahahhah...
10ftrs indeed!
Best regards,
Dennis
Bellingham, WA
- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>the
> Graeme,
> Thanks! The boat gets plenty of looks from people out here, either
> b/c of the bright wood or the yawl rig. I have to say that I love
> mizzen. Just pull the sheet tight and she points bow-to-wind andI'm
> holds you there. It's the only mizzen trick I know at this point.
> still working on controlling weather helm with the mizzen. I tookmy
> LM into Lake Erie (the real lake) for the first time yesterday.Winds
> were out of the NNE and with a decent fetch the waves had built abit
> [pardon me while I estimate the size of waves, measuring from troughable
> to crest. I know there have been heated debates about this before]-
> I'd say the waves were about 10 feet. [ha. Kidding]. No, they were
> around 1.5 to 2 feet, but enough for Pug (my boat- short for her
> proper name, Pugnacious) to slam her bow into each trough. I was
> to mess around with the main, go forward and untangle my halyardfrom
> the steaming light, and finally get the main raised. I was bymyself
> and I couldn't have raised the main if I were on a Bermuda riggedeasily
> boat. Mizzens; gotta love em.
>
> I just didn't cut the portlights. I wanted something nice looking,
> and wasn't sure how they'd look. I also hemmed-and-hawed about what
> exact shape to use (I like the oval shape on the plans, but never
> figured out a good way to have them open via a hinge). I considered
> Wylie window (or not), if they should open. The building continued
> on, and eventually I was past the point where I could cut them
> so I just opted to leave them off. I can cut some later if I reallytimes
> want.
>
> In terms of load stability. I have only been sailing twice, both
> singlehanded so I only have one data-point concerning weight and howdeck
> she sits. I weigh a bit shy of 200 lbs, and when I stand on the
> at the rail I can only get the side to drop about an inch into theso
> water. At this point, I wouldn't hesitate to put four people (about
> 800 lbs) into her and sail. In an emergency, I think you could load
> her with much more weight and still be fine- it would take a lot of
> weight to push the nose into the water.
>
> Bill, in Ohio
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hear, hear,
> >
> > congratulations Bill, your LM looks fantastic! Thanks for posting
> > many photos illustrating the build, and the launch, and floatpics too.
> > Please keep the sailing pics and stories coming now. I love yourcolour
> > scheme BTW, I think it really suits the lines in some way. I likethis
> > boat!waterline
> >
> > If your floating LM was just about empty, then I think the
> > will be fine when she is loaded down with crew and cruising gearand
> > provisions. Happy sailing!boat.
> >
> > Oh, I meant to ask, I may have missed something - why no topsides
> > portlights?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Graeme
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
> > <michaelmickjoseph@> wrote:
> > > Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying
> > > your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful
>
Graeme,
Thanks! The boat gets plenty of looks from people out here, either
b/c of the bright wood or the yawl rig. I have to say that I love the
mizzen. Just pull the sheet tight and she points bow-to-wind and
holds you there. It's the only mizzen trick I know at this point. I'm
still working on controlling weather helm with the mizzen. I took my
LM into Lake Erie (the real lake) for the first time yesterday. Winds
were out of the NNE and with a decent fetch the waves had built a bit
[pardon me while I estimate the size of waves, measuring from trough
to crest. I know there have been heated debates about this before]-
I'd say the waves were about 10 feet. [ha. Kidding]. No, they were
around 1.5 to 2 feet, but enough for Pug (my boat- short for her
proper name, Pugnacious) to slam her bow into each trough. I was able
to mess around with the main, go forward and untangle my halyard from
the steaming light, and finally get the main raised. I was by myself
and I couldn't have raised the main if I were on a Bermuda rigged
boat. Mizzens; gotta love em.
I just didn't cut the portlights. I wanted something nice looking,
and wasn't sure how they'd look. I also hemmed-and-hawed about what
exact shape to use (I like the oval shape on the plans, but never
figured out a good way to have them open via a hinge). I considered
Wylie window (or not), if they should open. The building continued
on, and eventually I was past the point where I could cut them easily
so I just opted to leave them off. I can cut some later if I really
want.
In terms of load stability. I have only been sailing twice, both times
singlehanded so I only have one data-point concerning weight and how
she sits. I weigh a bit shy of 200 lbs, and when I stand on the deck
at the rail I can only get the side to drop about an inch into the
water. At this point, I wouldn't hesitate to put four people (about
800 lbs) into her and sail. In an emergency, I think you could load
her with much more weight and still be fine- it would take a lot of
weight to push the nose into the water.
Bill, in Ohio
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
Thanks! The boat gets plenty of looks from people out here, either
b/c of the bright wood or the yawl rig. I have to say that I love the
mizzen. Just pull the sheet tight and she points bow-to-wind and
holds you there. It's the only mizzen trick I know at this point. I'm
still working on controlling weather helm with the mizzen. I took my
LM into Lake Erie (the real lake) for the first time yesterday. Winds
were out of the NNE and with a decent fetch the waves had built a bit
[pardon me while I estimate the size of waves, measuring from trough
to crest. I know there have been heated debates about this before]-
I'd say the waves were about 10 feet. [ha. Kidding]. No, they were
around 1.5 to 2 feet, but enough for Pug (my boat- short for her
proper name, Pugnacious) to slam her bow into each trough. I was able
to mess around with the main, go forward and untangle my halyard from
the steaming light, and finally get the main raised. I was by myself
and I couldn't have raised the main if I were on a Bermuda rigged
boat. Mizzens; gotta love em.
I just didn't cut the portlights. I wanted something nice looking,
and wasn't sure how they'd look. I also hemmed-and-hawed about what
exact shape to use (I like the oval shape on the plans, but never
figured out a good way to have them open via a hinge). I considered
Wylie window (or not), if they should open. The building continued
on, and eventually I was past the point where I could cut them easily
so I just opted to leave them off. I can cut some later if I really
want.
In terms of load stability. I have only been sailing twice, both times
singlehanded so I only have one data-point concerning weight and how
she sits. I weigh a bit shy of 200 lbs, and when I stand on the deck
at the rail I can only get the side to drop about an inch into the
water. At this point, I wouldn't hesitate to put four people (about
800 lbs) into her and sail. In an emergency, I think you could load
her with much more weight and still be fine- it would take a lot of
weight to push the nose into the water.
Bill, in Ohio
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> Hear, hear,
>
> congratulations Bill, your LM looks fantastic! Thanks for posting so
> many photos illustrating the build, and the launch, and float pics too.
> Please keep the sailing pics and stories coming now. I love your colour
> scheme BTW, I think it really suits the lines in some way. I like this
> boat!
>
> If your floating LM was just about empty, then I think the waterline
> will be fine when she is loaded down with crew and cruising gear and
> provisions. Happy sailing!
>
> Oh, I meant to ask, I may have missed something - why no topsides
> portlights?
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
> <michaelmickjoseph@> wrote:
> > Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying
> > your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat.
Michael,
Thanks for the compliments. Lemme see...
1. I made the electrical system myself. At first I was enamored by
the small, inexpensive fuse-box/switch panels one can buy from West
Marine (etc.). A while back I read a handful of buyer reviews of
these (West Marine used to post buyer reviews but they have since
removed them). The buyers hated the cheap switch panels. The lights
burned out, the wiring was bad, etc. So I opted to make my own (it's
a wooden box with an aluminum hinged cover. The fuses sit in an
automotive-type box on the opposite side of the cover. The switches
are hardware store items, and the volt meter is a left-over Radio
Shack special I had lying about. The wiring is untinned (I sail in
fresh water)but the wire is oversized for the loads involved. I also
have a master battery shut off (it hides under the bridge deck, by the
battery). The battery is a group 27 (100 lb) 12 volt which I mounted
on the stbd side of the boat, under the bridge-deck as well. I have
six circuits, each protected by its own fuse and each with a separate
connection to the negative bus(s)(?). These circuits are: (1) anchor
light (at top of mast), (2) steaming light (which I have already
wrapped my halyard and down haul around), (3) nav lights (stern, port,
and stbd), (4) cigarette lighter outlet (on side of fuse box), (5)
VHF, and (6) interior lights (I have three). I also have a 500gph
bilgepump which is hard-wired to the battery (and fused), and the
charging system from my outboard and a little 135 mA solar charger are
also hardwired (and fused) to my battery.
2. Cost. Including the outboard ($1600), and the sails ($1500), it
cost me almost $10,000. The rough breakdown is:
$1400 in wood. I used 15 sheets of 4x8 foot 3/8 inch ply, and 6 sheets
of 4x10 foot 1/2 inch marine ply. I used fir/pine 2x4s and 2x6's for
everything else.
$1900 in fiberglass, epoxy, paint (System Three epoxy and paint). I
used 21 gallons of epoxy/hardener and sheathed the hull in 6 oz. cloth
up to the upper rub rail. The anchor locker, cockpit sole, and aft
flooding well all got 4 oz. cloth. Everything else, inside and out
(and both sides of both sheets of ply on the bottom) got layers of epoxy.
The remaining ($6400?) was all the hardware, wiring, running rigging,
cleats, anchor and rode, VHF, fenders, cushions, etc. I had almost
nothing worthwhile in terms of boating stuff for this boat so I had to
buy everything (i.e., fenders, dock lines, etc). I failed to keep
close track of some costs, especially my stainless hardware, chip
brushes, sandpaper, etc. That's why I guesstimate close to 10k.
I have to run right now, so I will address the load-question in a few
hours.
Bill, in Ohio
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
Thanks for the compliments. Lemme see...
1. I made the electrical system myself. At first I was enamored by
the small, inexpensive fuse-box/switch panels one can buy from West
Marine (etc.). A while back I read a handful of buyer reviews of
these (West Marine used to post buyer reviews but they have since
removed them). The buyers hated the cheap switch panels. The lights
burned out, the wiring was bad, etc. So I opted to make my own (it's
a wooden box with an aluminum hinged cover. The fuses sit in an
automotive-type box on the opposite side of the cover. The switches
are hardware store items, and the volt meter is a left-over Radio
Shack special I had lying about. The wiring is untinned (I sail in
fresh water)but the wire is oversized for the loads involved. I also
have a master battery shut off (it hides under the bridge deck, by the
battery). The battery is a group 27 (100 lb) 12 volt which I mounted
on the stbd side of the boat, under the bridge-deck as well. I have
six circuits, each protected by its own fuse and each with a separate
connection to the negative bus(s)(?). These circuits are: (1) anchor
light (at top of mast), (2) steaming light (which I have already
wrapped my halyard and down haul around), (3) nav lights (stern, port,
and stbd), (4) cigarette lighter outlet (on side of fuse box), (5)
VHF, and (6) interior lights (I have three). I also have a 500gph
bilgepump which is hard-wired to the battery (and fused), and the
charging system from my outboard and a little 135 mA solar charger are
also hardwired (and fused) to my battery.
2. Cost. Including the outboard ($1600), and the sails ($1500), it
cost me almost $10,000. The rough breakdown is:
$1400 in wood. I used 15 sheets of 4x8 foot 3/8 inch ply, and 6 sheets
of 4x10 foot 1/2 inch marine ply. I used fir/pine 2x4s and 2x6's for
everything else.
$1900 in fiberglass, epoxy, paint (System Three epoxy and paint). I
used 21 gallons of epoxy/hardener and sheathed the hull in 6 oz. cloth
up to the upper rub rail. The anchor locker, cockpit sole, and aft
flooding well all got 4 oz. cloth. Everything else, inside and out
(and both sides of both sheets of ply on the bottom) got layers of epoxy.
The remaining ($6400?) was all the hardware, wiring, running rigging,
cleats, anchor and rode, VHF, fenders, cushions, etc. I had almost
nothing worthwhile in terms of boating stuff for this boat so I had to
buy everything (i.e., fenders, dock lines, etc). I failed to keep
close track of some costs, especially my stainless hardware, chip
brushes, sandpaper, etc. That's why I guesstimate close to 10k.
I have to run right now, so I will address the load-question in a few
hours.
Bill, in Ohio
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> >You've done a great job. Can you break down what it cost to build?
> What sort of electrical system did you put in? Discounting yourself,
> what would be your guess as the safest amount of weight you could put
> in your boat? Where did you purchase your sails? How much epoxy did
> you use? Fasteners? Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying
> your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat.
> I hope mine turns out half as well...
Hear, hear,
congratulations Bill, your LM looks fantastic! Thanks for posting so
many photos illustrating the build, and the launch, and float pics too.
Please keep the sailing pics and stories coming now. I love your colour
scheme BTW, I think it really suits the lines in some way. I like this
boat!
If your floating LM was just about empty, then I think the waterline
will be fine when she is loaded down with crew and cruising gear and
provisions. Happy sailing!
Oh, I meant to ask, I may have missed something - why no topsides
portlights?
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
congratulations Bill, your LM looks fantastic! Thanks for posting so
many photos illustrating the build, and the launch, and float pics too.
Please keep the sailing pics and stories coming now. I love your colour
scheme BTW, I think it really suits the lines in some way. I like this
boat!
If your floating LM was just about empty, then I think the waterline
will be fine when she is loaded down with crew and cruising gear and
provisions. Happy sailing!
Oh, I meant to ask, I may have missed something - why no topsides
portlights?
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
> Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
> your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat.
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
> ...Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying your new boat
> and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
what would be your guess as the safest amount of weight you could put
in your boat? Where did you purchase your sails? How much epoxy did
you use? Fasteners? Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying
your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat.
I hope mine turns out half as well...
>You've done a great job. Can you break down what it cost to build?What sort of electrical system did you put in? Discounting yourself,
what would be your guess as the safest amount of weight you could put
in your boat? Where did you purchase your sails? How much epoxy did
you use? Fasteners? Your not going to spend all of your time enjoying
your new boat and ignore us are you? :-)Congrats on a beautiful boat.
I hope mine turns out half as well...
> Hi all,speeds
> The rain has lifted for a while and I was able to take my LM on her
> maiden sailing voyage yesterday. She exceeded all my expectations.
> The weather service predicted winds of 9mph in my area (that felt
> about right when I was on the water). I raised the mainsail and
> headed out. She sails like a champ! The mizzen holds her steadily
> bow to the wind while I raised the main. And instantly we were off
> sailing. She tacks right through the eye of the wind, jibes easily
> (well, what sail boat doesn't jibe easily? I mean to say that she
> jibes without drama). Using my handheld GPS I recorded regular
> of greater than 5 mph, and hit 6.2 mph on a beam reach. I ampleased
> beyond words.her.
>
> Before ye call for pictures I must tell that I was singlehanding
> There's no one else to take pics while I'm sailing. I did snap two
> pictures of her resting at her dock (pre-sail)(pics are called
> LM_dock...). Although I over built her (.5 inch ply sides and deck,
> and a self bailing cockpit with a lot of framing underneath), she
> seems to sit a little high on her lines, yes?
>
>http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
>
> I'll post more information later.
>
> Bill, in Ohio
>
Hi all,
The rain has lifted for a while and I was able to take my LM on her
maiden sailing voyage yesterday. She exceeded all my expectations.
The weather service predicted winds of 9mph in my area (that felt
about right when I was on the water). I raised the mainsail and
headed out. She sails like a champ! The mizzen holds her steadily
bow to the wind while I raised the main. And instantly we were off
sailing. She tacks right through the eye of the wind, jibes easily
(well, what sail boat doesn't jibe easily? I mean to say that she
jibes without drama). Using my handheld GPS I recorded regular speeds
of greater than 5 mph, and hit 6.2 mph on a beam reach. I am pleased
beyond words.
Before ye call for pictures I must tell that I was singlehanding her.
There's no one else to take pics while I'm sailing. I did snap two
pictures of her resting at her dock (pre-sail)(pics are called
LM_dock...). Although I over built her (.5 inch ply sides and deck,
and a self bailing cockpit with a lot of framing underneath), she
seems to sit a little high on her lines, yes?
http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
I'll post more information later.
Bill, in Ohio
The rain has lifted for a while and I was able to take my LM on her
maiden sailing voyage yesterday. She exceeded all my expectations.
The weather service predicted winds of 9mph in my area (that felt
about right when I was on the water). I raised the mainsail and
headed out. She sails like a champ! The mizzen holds her steadily
bow to the wind while I raised the main. And instantly we were off
sailing. She tacks right through the eye of the wind, jibes easily
(well, what sail boat doesn't jibe easily? I mean to say that she
jibes without drama). Using my handheld GPS I recorded regular speeds
of greater than 5 mph, and hit 6.2 mph on a beam reach. I am pleased
beyond words.
Before ye call for pictures I must tell that I was singlehanding her.
There's no one else to take pics while I'm sailing. I did snap two
pictures of her resting at her dock (pre-sail)(pics are called
LM_dock...). Although I over built her (.5 inch ply sides and deck,
and a self bailing cockpit with a lot of framing underneath), she
seems to sit a little high on her lines, yes?
http://personal.bgsu.edu/~kingw/boat/
I'll post more information later.
Bill, in Ohio