Re: [bolger] Re: Out of Print Books
On 2/16/07, oarmandt <oarman89@...> wrote:
SCHORPIOEN South Africa Philip Bolger
EBay Item number: 140091347523
The minimum bid, is (I think) more expensive that buying the book
directly from the author, but whatever.
> There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. CanAmazingly, one is for sale today on EBay
> anyone give us a quickie review?
>
> Doug
SCHORPIOEN South Africa Philip Bolger
EBay Item number: 140091347523
The minimum bid, is (I think) more expensive that buying the book
directly from the author, but whatever.
There is a nice obituary for Thomas Firth Jones by Ruth Wharram in
Wharram World News:http://www.wharram.eu/live/
Greg F
Wharram World News:http://www.wharram.eu/live/
Greg F
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ken Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
>
> On Sunday 18 February 2007 01:58:14 pm BillR wrote:
> > BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know.
>
>
> I am sorry to hear this, thanks Bill. I am surprised to learn that
this is
> not mentioned on his web site:
>
>http://www.jonesboats.com
>
> One of my clients was trying to communicate with him and to buy
some of his
> plans (Dandy II) but he never received a reply. Now I think I
understand
> why.
>
> Do you (or does anyone else) know if someone will take over and
continue to
> supply his plans?
>
> Sincerely,
> Kenneth Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
I'm sure Thomas Firth Jones was a wonderful bloke to know
personally. I certainly got to like him through the way he came
across in his books, though at first this was a bit hard as, I
think, there was a sort of language barrier. He had some exceptional
insights into boating and especially multihulls. I was really
beginning to appreciate this, and hoped for more to come.
Mr Jones 12 page "appreciation" of, and insights into the life and
works of PCB in Chapter 7 of his "New Plywood Boats" is outstanding.
A thing that shone through in his writing was how close Tom and his
wife, Carol, were. My sympathies are with Carol and family in their
great loss. Carol apparently shared the bulk of his on water boating
activities, including many cruising adventures, and weekly racing. I
believe the boatbuilding and plans business was mainly run by
Thomas, but perhaps in time Carol may launch it again.
Vale TFJ
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ken Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
wrote:
personally. I certainly got to like him through the way he came
across in his books, though at first this was a bit hard as, I
think, there was a sort of language barrier. He had some exceptional
insights into boating and especially multihulls. I was really
beginning to appreciate this, and hoped for more to come.
Mr Jones 12 page "appreciation" of, and insights into the life and
works of PCB in Chapter 7 of his "New Plywood Boats" is outstanding.
A thing that shone through in his writing was how close Tom and his
wife, Carol, were. My sympathies are with Carol and family in their
great loss. Carol apparently shared the bulk of his on water boating
activities, including many cruising adventures, and weekly racing. I
believe the boatbuilding and plans business was mainly run by
Thomas, but perhaps in time Carol may launch it again.
Vale TFJ
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ken Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
wrote:
>that this is
> On Sunday 18 February 2007 01:58:14 pm BillR wrote:
> > BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know.
>
>
> I am sorry to hear this, thanks Bill. I am surprised to learn
> not mentioned on his web site:some of his
>
>http://www.jonesboats.com
>
> One of my clients was trying to communicate with him and to buy
> plans (Dandy II) but he never received a reply. Now I think Iunderstand
> why.continue to
>
> Do you (or does anyone else) know if someone will take over and
> supply his plans?
>
> Sincerely,
> Kenneth Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
On Sunday 18 February 2007 01:58:14 pm BillR wrote:
not mentioned on his web site:
http://www.jonesboats.com
One of my clients was trying to communicate with him and to buy some of his
plans (Dandy II) but he never received a reply. Now I think I understand
why.
Do you (or does anyone else) know if someone will take over and continue to
supply his plans?
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
> BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know.I am sorry to hear this, thanks Bill. I am surprised to learn that this is
not mentioned on his web site:
http://www.jonesboats.com
One of my clients was trying to communicate with him and to buy some of his
plans (Dandy II) but he never received a reply. Now I think I understand
why.
Do you (or does anyone else) know if someone will take over and continue to
supply his plans?
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
Its still there, but you wont find it on the shelves anymore. I stumbeled across it in 2005 when my wife and I were vacationing in Seattle. I found the listing in the catalog and was amazed because I thought I knew all the titles. You have to request it out of the reference section and have to demonstrate that you are an upstanding citizen before they will allow you to touch it. It appears to be a precursor to Small Boats. That new library is nice.
HJ
HJ
----- Original Message -----
From: BillR <vakashun@...>
Date: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:58 pm
Subject: [bolger] Re: Out of Print Books
> Back in the early 90's I went to the Seattle Public Library.
> In the oversize collection there was a book by Phil Bolger
> entitled
> Very Small Boats. No kidding, I had both this book and the more
> familiar Small Boats in my hands. I don't recall all the details
> now,
> but it was definitely different than the book Small Boats,
> possibly
> an earlier version in the same way that Thomas Firth Jones' Low
> Resistance Boats became Boats To Go.
> BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know. Ruth
> Wharram did a very nice obituary on him.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@...> wrote:
> >
> > The series is:
> >
> > Small Boats
> > The Folding Schooner
> > Bolger Boats (which I understand is the contents of the first two
> > bound together)
> > Different Boats
> > 30-Odd Boats (That's 30-odd, as in 39 chapters, not odd boats)
> > Boats with an Open Mind
> > 100 Sailing Rigs (103 Sailing Rigs has the same 100 chapters to
> start,
> > plus 3 variations of the Chinese Gaff rig with an article by SA
> on
> the
> > reasoning behind it.)
> >
> > There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
> > anyone give us a quickie review?
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ---
Roger and Doug,
Not exactly science fiction, if you look at Okinawan history.
Women there have far broader roles than in the rest of Japan. In the past, they served as leaders in the community and religion and in some areas, the most successful married more than one man. Theories range from the work balance between farming and fishing, fishing and fish preservation and sales, and men's roles in overseas trading (and perhaps a bit of piracy). Essentially, the men's roles at sea kept them away for long periods and women assumed most of the household, and much social / business responsibility.
Mike Kline
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Not exactly science fiction, if you look at Okinawan history.
Women there have far broader roles than in the rest of Japan. In the past, they served as leaders in the community and religion and in some areas, the most successful married more than one man. Theories range from the work balance between farming and fishing, fishing and fish preservation and sales, and men's roles in overseas trading (and perhaps a bit of piracy). Essentially, the men's roles at sea kept them away for long periods and women assumed most of the household, and much social / business responsibility.
Mike Kline
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I had (and still have some parts of) Very Small Boats which I purchased from PCB in the early 70's. This was a portfolio of plans with commentary which was ultimately expanded and published as the book Small Boats. As I recall, all of the designs in Very Small Boats were included in Small Boats.
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: BillR
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:58 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Out of Print Books
Back in the early 90's I went to the Seattle Public Library.
In the oversize collection there was a book by Phil Bolger entitled
Very Small Boats. No kidding, I had both this book and the more
familiar Small Boats in my hands. I don't recall all the details now,
but it was definitely different than the book Small Boats, possibly
an earlier version in the same way that Thomas Firth Jones' Low
Resistance Boats became Boats To Go.
BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know. Ruth
Wharram did a very nice obituary on him.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@...> wrote:
>
> The series is:
>
> Small Boats
> The Folding Schooner
> Bolger Boats (which I understand is the contents of the first two
> bound together)
> Different Boats
> 30-Odd Boats (That's 30-odd, as in 39 chapters, not odd boats)
> Boats with an Open Mind
> 100 Sailing Rigs (103 Sailing Rigs has the same 100 chapters to
start,
> plus 3 variations of the Chinese Gaff rig with an article by SA on
the
> reasoning behind it.)
>
> There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
> anyone give us a quickie review?
>
> Doug
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Doug seeing how you have a full set of Mr. Bolgers
> > books how many are there? And what are their titles?
> >
> > Yes the price of tools seem to have their ups and
> > downs. We have a @nd hand shop here in the island I
> > keep stopping at and have got some real good buys on a
> > powerplane and bench top table saw, along with a
> > number of other things as well.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> > --- oarmandt <oarman89@> wrote:
> >
> > > From casual observation, it seems that the prices
> > > for Mr. Bolger's out
> > > of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a
> > > copy of Small Boats
> > > went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group
> > > members were put
> > > off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It
> > > was not uncommon to
> > > see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and
> > > find them well
> > > worth even the former prices.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
__________________________________________________________
______________
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
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> >
>
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An alternate review that I found:
Bolger, Philip C. 1927- (The iconoclastic boat designer)
Schorpioen: a novel of southern Africa, 1986 (In an alternate universe
much like our own a family from the Kingdom of Hawaii are rescued by
Dutch speaking Africans from the pariah state that rules most of
southern Africa when their old George Lawley built schooner FLYING
CLOUD is dismasted off the Cape of Good Hope. In this world there is
no
apartheid or racism in south Africa, but the country is boycotted by
much of the world because women are considered mere posessions. In
order to get FLYING CLOUD repaired her owner must accomodate himself
to
the customs of the country, and the women in his family begin
accomodating themselves to the customs all too well for his taste!
Men
own women to do all their thinking and all the skilled work, thus
women
are valued for their brains and what they can do. One of the main
spectator sports in Africa is racing large lateen rigged "chebecs" on
Lake Chad, a giant inland sea where the southern Sahara exists in our
universe. Women who can steer a chebec are highly prized, so our
hero's
wife and daughter join in the fun. Not a bad read, but definitely a
curio. Published by Bolger's friend Peter Duff, probably because
nobody
else would touch it. "...a rather strange read and interesting look
into the mind of the author." [BW] "PCB's usual boat design ideas are
fun to see in a novel. He does a good job of making sailing races
sound
interesting, which is quite a feat." [MW])
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
Bolger, Philip C. 1927- (The iconoclastic boat designer)
Schorpioen: a novel of southern Africa, 1986 (In an alternate universe
much like our own a family from the Kingdom of Hawaii are rescued by
Dutch speaking Africans from the pariah state that rules most of
southern Africa when their old George Lawley built schooner FLYING
CLOUD is dismasted off the Cape of Good Hope. In this world there is
no
apartheid or racism in south Africa, but the country is boycotted by
much of the world because women are considered mere posessions. In
order to get FLYING CLOUD repaired her owner must accomodate himself
to
the customs of the country, and the women in his family begin
accomodating themselves to the customs all too well for his taste!
Men
own women to do all their thinking and all the skilled work, thus
women
are valued for their brains and what they can do. One of the main
spectator sports in Africa is racing large lateen rigged "chebecs" on
Lake Chad, a giant inland sea where the southern Sahara exists in our
universe. Women who can steer a chebec are highly prized, so our
hero's
wife and daughter join in the fun. Not a bad read, but definitely a
curio. Published by Bolger's friend Peter Duff, probably because
nobody
else would touch it. "...a rather strange read and interesting look
into the mind of the author." [BW] "PCB's usual boat design ideas are
fun to see in a novel. He does a good job of making sailing races
sound
interesting, which is quite a feat." [MW])
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Out of Print Books
> There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
> anyone give us a quickie review?
>
> Doug
It is a kind of science fiction, or fantasy fiction about an imagined
hypothetical (but seemingly possible) society with women having great
power (achieved oddly) through capitalistic & libertarian market
forces selling themselves as 'chattle'. In otherwords, women can gain
great wealth power if they have marketable value (like commercial
skills, schooled knowledge, sexual skills, and other skills etc..).
The main character family is European and shipwrecked in this place,
and the daughter in this family is a highly talented sailboat captain.
She relishes in this new, oddly liberating, form of power, but her
father and mother struggle to reconcile this new 'slave woman power'
value system versus traditional European values. You can buy the book
directly from PB&F, and PCB wrote me a note saying to the effect
'don't take me too serious' about that fiction/fantasy book.
Back in the early 90's I went to the Seattle Public Library.
In the oversize collection there was a book by Phil Bolger entitled
Very Small Boats. No kidding, I had both this book and the more
familiar Small Boats in my hands. I don't recall all the details now,
but it was definitely different than the book Small Boats, possibly
an earlier version in the same way that Thomas Firth Jones' Low
Resistance Boats became Boats To Go.
BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know. Ruth
Wharram did a very nice obituary on him.
In the oversize collection there was a book by Phil Bolger entitled
Very Small Boats. No kidding, I had both this book and the more
familiar Small Boats in my hands. I don't recall all the details now,
but it was definitely different than the book Small Boats, possibly
an earlier version in the same way that Thomas Firth Jones' Low
Resistance Boats became Boats To Go.
BTW, Thomas died Oct 20th 2006 for those that do not know. Ruth
Wharram did a very nice obituary on him.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@...> wrote:
>
> The series is:
>
> Small Boats
> The Folding Schooner
> Bolger Boats (which I understand is the contents of the first two
> bound together)
> Different Boats
> 30-Odd Boats (That's 30-odd, as in 39 chapters, not odd boats)
> Boats with an Open Mind
> 100 Sailing Rigs (103 Sailing Rigs has the same 100 chapters to
start,
> plus 3 variations of the Chinese Gaff rig with an article by SA on
the
> reasoning behind it.)
>
> There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
> anyone give us a quickie review?
>
> Doug
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Doug seeing how you have a full set of Mr. Bolgers
> > books how many are there? And what are their titles?
> >
> > Yes the price of tools seem to have their ups and
> > downs. We have a @nd hand shop here in the island I
> > keep stopping at and have got some real good buys on a
> > powerplane and bench top table saw, along with a
> > number of other things as well.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> > --- oarmandt <oarman89@> wrote:
> >
> > > From casual observation, it seems that the prices
> > > for Mr. Bolger's out
> > > of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a
> > > copy of Small Boats
> > > went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group
> > > members were put
> > > off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It
> > > was not uncommon to
> > > see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and
> > > find them well
> > > worth even the former prices.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
______________
> > Be a PS3 game guru.
> > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
> Yahoo! Games.
> >http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
> >
>
On 2/16/07, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
than that the price was reasonable.
>Sorry, is was a few years ago, and I don't remember the price, other
> LOL heartily at your abstract.
>
> To possibly save a roller of faxes. How much to send him as of when,
> please?
> Thanks
than that the price was reasonable.
LOL heartily at your abstract.
To possibly save a roller of faxes. How much to send him as of when,
please?
Thanks
To possibly save a roller of faxes. How much to send him as of when,
please?
Thanks
On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
>
> It is a kind of science fiction...
> You can buy the book
> directly from PB&F, and PCB wrote me a note saying to the effect
> 'don't take me too serious' about that fiction/fantasy book.
>
> There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. CanIt is a kind of science fiction, or fantasy fiction about an imagined
> anyone give us a quickie review?
>
> Doug
hypothetical (but seemingly possible) society with women having great
power (achieved oddly) through capitalistic & libertarian market
forces selling themselves as 'chattle'. In otherwords, women can gain
great wealth power if they have marketable value (like commercial
skills, schooled knowledge, sexual skills, and other skills etc..).
The main character family is European and shipwrecked in this place,
and the daughter in this family is a highly talented sailboat captain.
She relishes in this new, oddly liberating, form of power, but her
father and mother struggle to reconcile this new 'slave woman power'
value system versus traditional European values. You can buy the book
directly from PB&F, and PCB wrote me a note saying to the effect
'don't take me too serious' about that fiction/fantasy book.
The series is:
Small Boats
The Folding Schooner
Bolger Boats (which I understand is the contents of the first two
bound together)
Different Boats
30-Odd Boats (That's 30-odd, as in 39 chapters, not odd boats)
Boats with an Open Mind
100 Sailing Rigs (103 Sailing Rigs has the same 100 chapters to start,
plus 3 variations of the Chinese Gaff rig with an article by SA on the
reasoning behind it.)
There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
anyone give us a quickie review?
Doug
Small Boats
The Folding Schooner
Bolger Boats (which I understand is the contents of the first two
bound together)
Different Boats
30-Odd Boats (That's 30-odd, as in 39 chapters, not odd boats)
Boats with an Open Mind
100 Sailing Rigs (103 Sailing Rigs has the same 100 chapters to start,
plus 3 variations of the Chinese Gaff rig with an article by SA on the
reasoning behind it.)
There is also a novel, "Schorpioen". I do not have this one. Can
anyone give us a quickie review?
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Doug seeing how you have a full set of Mr. Bolgers
> books how many are there? And what are their titles?
>
> Yes the price of tools seem to have their ups and
> downs. We have a @nd hand shop here in the island I
> keep stopping at and have got some real good buys on a
> powerplane and bench top table saw, along with a
> number of other things as well.
>
> Blessings Krissie
> --- oarmandt <oarman89@...> wrote:
>
> > From casual observation, it seems that the prices
> > for Mr. Bolger's out
> > of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a
> > copy of Small Boats
> > went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group
> > members were put
> > off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It
> > was not uncommon to
> > see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and
> > find them well
> > worth even the former prices.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Be a PS3 game guru.
> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at
Yahoo! Games.
>http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
>
I missed 'Small Boats' but have picked up the others
at reasonable rates apart from BWAOM which I bought
new
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Hey Doug seeing how you have a full set of Mr. Bolgers
books how many are there? And what are their titles?
Yes the price of tools seem to have their ups and
downs. We have a @nd hand shop here in the island I
keep stopping at and have got some real good buys on a
powerplane and bench top table saw, along with a
number of other things as well.
Blessings Krissie
--- oarmandt <oarman89@...> wrote:
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
books how many are there? And what are their titles?
Yes the price of tools seem to have their ups and
downs. We have a @nd hand shop here in the island I
keep stopping at and have got some real good buys on a
powerplane and bench top table saw, along with a
number of other things as well.
Blessings Krissie
--- oarmandt <oarman89@...> wrote:
> From casual observation, it seems that the prices____________________________________________________________________________________
> for Mr. Bolger's out
> of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a
> copy of Small Boats
> went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group
> members were put
> off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It
> was not uncommon to
> see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and
> find them well
> worth even the former prices.
>
> Doug
>
>
Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
From casual observation, it seems that the prices for Mr. Bolger's out
of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a copy of Small Boats
went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group members were put
off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It was not uncommon to
see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and find them well
worth even the former prices.
I have seen the same pattern on tools. I had been competing with the
collectors for good serviceable hand tools some years back, but I
would not normally pay the going rate. Word apparently got out that
tool selling was profitable and a flood of garage sale items hit Ebay.
Prices seem more reasonable now.
Doug
of print books have come down on Ebay. Recently a copy of Small Boats
went for $20.50. I mention this in case some group members were put
off by higher prices seen a year or more ago. It was not uncommon to
see $40 and $50 sales. I have the full set now and find them well
worth even the former prices.
I have seen the same pattern on tools. I had been competing with the
collectors for good serviceable hand tools some years back, but I
would not normally pay the going rate. Word apparently got out that
tool selling was profitable and a flood of garage sale items hit Ebay.
Prices seem more reasonable now.
Doug
List,
I am a natural scrounger. I am also willing to pay someone for something.
What I propose may be technically illegal, but it is within my morally
acceptable limits. Several have asked for books that are out of print. I
too have looked for sever years for John Learther's book LugSails and
SpritSails. Others are looking for some of the older Payson and Bolger
Books. they are not for sale at "reasonable prices". The autohrs are not
going to make another penny unless someone publishes another edition. I
would propose that we create a library in ".pdf" format, chapters of
various of the "out of print publications" that are of specific interest to
members. These ".pdf's" could be posted to the "files" section (VAULT) of
the group. I feel that if each article were labelled as to its source, we
would be giving credit where credit is due.
Tim
I am a natural scrounger. I am also willing to pay someone for something.
What I propose may be technically illegal, but it is within my morally
acceptable limits. Several have asked for books that are out of print. I
too have looked for sever years for John Learther's book LugSails and
SpritSails. Others are looking for some of the older Payson and Bolger
Books. they are not for sale at "reasonable prices". The autohrs are not
going to make another penny unless someone publishes another edition. I
would propose that we create a library in ".pdf" format, chapters of
various of the "out of print publications" that are of specific interest to
members. These ".pdf's" could be posted to the "files" section (VAULT) of
the group. I feel that if each article were labelled as to its source, we
would be giving credit where credit is due.
Tim