Limits of the Sailing Dory
"...let alone have the room to go cruising." That's what the
Jessie Cooper article is all about.
Another good read exposition of the, "legacy of the Sailing
dories" , with a beautiful, round bottomed example, is also
in Small Boats, chapter 27. Nahant, a 25' 6" by 8' 8"
shoal-draft cruiser with substantial lead ballast. This
isn't at hand, but that boat was enlarged as a cruiser for
the Amazon of about 34' and may appear in 30-Ddd Boats too.
Maybe smeone can say forsure.
Mark wrote:
sail very well, you haven't a dory anymore.
Mark
david wrote:
Jessie Cooper article is all about.
Another good read exposition of the, "legacy of the Sailing
dories" , with a beautiful, round bottomed example, is also
in Small Boats, chapter 27. Nahant, a 25' 6" by 8' 8"
shoal-draft cruiser with substantial lead ballast. This
isn't at hand, but that boat was enlarged as a cruiser for
the Amazon of about 34' and may appear in 30-Ddd Boats too.
Maybe smeone can say forsure.
Mark wrote:
>A true dory, rigged for sail, has little power to carry it.His basic point is that by the time you modify the dory to
>Two explorations of the theme by Our Designer are in the
>chapters on Featherwind, Small Boats, and on Jessie Cooper
>in 30-Odd.
sail very well, you haven't a dory anymore.
Mark
david wrote:
>
> Chris,
> Uh, unable to reference, but Bolger's basic view is that the dory
> is a rowboat for hand line fishing designed to nest with others of its
> type on the deck of a Grand Banks schooner and, as such, it makes
> a questionable cruising sailboat. As for the Hill's "Badger",
> specifically, Bolger found fault with the interior (too small for the
> length, beam and displacement of the vessel), the draft (over five
> feet prior to replacing the original ballast keel), and the rig (I think
> little needs to be said about what Bolger thinks of junk sails). I
> guess if you compare it with Bolger's Advanced Sharpies or
> his adaptations of the Thames barge, the criticisms are warranted.
> Personally, I like the looks of the boat, and the Hills have
> certainly not been much restricted in their wanderings, whatever the
> faults inherent in Badger's conception.
> Perhaps someone knows where I picked these nuggets up?
> Probably MAIB, but I'm not sure what issue....
> david
> PS: Oh, all right, I'll slough through the two foot high pile of MAIB
> I've got and find the master's words. Gimme a week or two....
>
>cml@...wrote:
>
> > david wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > > the "Badger" design by Phil Bolger). Btw, Bolger had some
> > > sour things to say about this design after the Hills visited him
> >
> > and Mark wrote:
> > > I'm not surprised Bolger panned the other Badger. As a
> > > proposition, the Sailing Dory is not myth, but fallacy, to him.
> >
> > So.... what sour things did BCB say about the Hill boat, and why is a
> > Sailing Dory a fallacy? Not objecting, just interested :)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
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A true dory, rigged for sail, has little power to carry it.
Two explorations of the theme by Our Designer are in the
chapters on Featherwind, Small Boats, and on Jessie Cooper
in 30-Odd.
His basic point is that by the time you modify the dory to
sail very well, you haven't a dory anymore.
Mark
david wrote:
Two explorations of the theme by Our Designer are in the
chapters on Featherwind, Small Boats, and on Jessie Cooper
in 30-Odd.
His basic point is that by the time you modify the dory to
sail very well, you haven't a dory anymore.
Mark
david wrote:
>
> Chris,
> Uh, unable to reference, but Bolger's basic view is that the dory
> is a rowboat for hand line fishing designed to nest with others of its
> type on the deck of a Grand Banks schooner and, as such, it makes
> a questionable cruising sailboat. As for the Hill's "Badger",
> specifically, Bolger found fault with the interior (too small for the
> length, beam and displacement of the vessel), the draft (over five
> feet prior to replacing the original ballast keel), and the rig (I think
> little needs to be said about what Bolger thinks of junk sails). I
> guess if you compare it with Bolger's Advanced Sharpies or
> his adaptations of the Thames barge, the criticisms are warranted.
> Personally, I like the looks of the boat, and the Hills have
> certainly not been much restricted in their wanderings, whatever the
> faults inherent in Badger's conception.
> Perhaps someone knows where I picked these nuggets up?
> Probably MAIB, but I'm not sure what issue....
> david
> PS: Oh, all right, I'll slough through the two foot high pile of MAIB
> I've got and find the master's words. Gimme a week or two....
>
>cml@...wrote:
>
> > david wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > > the "Badger" design by Phil Bolger). Btw, Bolger had some
> > > sour things to say about this design after the Hills visited him
> >
> > and Mark wrote:
> > > I'm not surprised Bolger panned the other Badger. As a
> > > proposition, the Sailing Dory is not myth, but fallacy, to him.
> >
> > So.... what sour things did BCB say about the Hill boat, and why is a
> > Sailing Dory a fallacy? Not objecting, just interested :)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Savings + service + convenience = beMANY!
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4116/13/_/3457/_/961950869/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules:
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.