Re: Micro Costs
James,
thanks for your report on your Wish II eperience to date.
I can well understand why you swapped from Wisp to Wish II for your
adventure down such a mighty river!
The standing lug sails you've opted for could be the way to go for
that extra sail capacity - it was probably easier to get the
sailplan balanced compared to the other options with spinnakers and
such, no? It will be interesting to hear your report on the sailing
performance after you have had more sailing time on her. BTW did you
keep the mast at the same height for the extra area in the lug sail,
or go for an increase there too? Did you increase the size of the
lee boards? How do you find those? I bet they were good over the
river shallows and near the banks.
Did PCB say plans were available, James? - I know you were able to
build from the book and adapt things to suit, but it seems to me
there are details missing in the book and more plans of some of the
fixtures would be better rather than adapting things from other
design plans. I haven't seen your letter, nor PCB's article in
MAIB :(
Do you remember which issues they were or what year? I'll be looking
out for any future reports you care to give here - and any photos ;-)
Did you leave the bulkhead for the aft well in the same place? If
you did, is that enough space for clearance for the outboard when
it's raised, and also is that where you can fit the twenty gallons
of gas?
I hope you have easy going with the reconditioning - I guess you are
going to paint as well! Be interesting to hear how she goes on Lake
Superior - that's some serious water!!
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@...>
wrote:
thanks for your report on your Wish II eperience to date.
I can well understand why you swapped from Wisp to Wish II for your
adventure down such a mighty river!
The standing lug sails you've opted for could be the way to go for
that extra sail capacity - it was probably easier to get the
sailplan balanced compared to the other options with spinnakers and
such, no? It will be interesting to hear your report on the sailing
performance after you have had more sailing time on her. BTW did you
keep the mast at the same height for the extra area in the lug sail,
or go for an increase there too? Did you increase the size of the
lee boards? How do you find those? I bet they were good over the
river shallows and near the banks.
Did PCB say plans were available, James? - I know you were able to
build from the book and adapt things to suit, but it seems to me
there are details missing in the book and more plans of some of the
fixtures would be better rather than adapting things from other
design plans. I haven't seen your letter, nor PCB's article in
MAIB :(
Do you remember which issues they were or what year? I'll be looking
out for any future reports you care to give here - and any photos ;-)
Did you leave the bulkhead for the aft well in the same place? If
you did, is that enough space for clearance for the outboard when
it's raised, and also is that where you can fit the twenty gallons
of gas?
I hope you have easy going with the reconditioning - I guess you are
going to paint as well! Be interesting to hear how she goes on Lake
Superior - that's some serious water!!
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@...>
wrote:
>Wisp,
> Graeme:
>
> I took the plans from 30 Odd Boats
> (Sarah(daughter) & I had made 265 miles on the Mississippi in my
> but we got tired of locks and camping in mud and rowing into1/3
> headwinds) back in 1999, so I picked the Wish II as the 'size' and
> hull form, then took the scantlings and offsets from the book.
>
> We built the boat in one 1/2 summers (folks the hull and deck is
> of the work) I sewed sails with materials form Sail-Rite and wegot
> going agian in 2002. I modified the design by deleting the aftbunks
> and put a deeper cockpit (Bolger thought I lost too much rightingthen
> volume, but I don't),I moved the pivot rudder over about 9" and
> cut a portal in the large transon for an 8 hp long shaft 4 bladedsitting
> prop Honda. I put a tabernacle for the mast just high enough to
> clear the stem and the interior is 6' bearths in front and 5'
> and stowage. I also added a little spring to the sheer but did notput
> cut woen the transom. of The rig is changed to a cat yawl double
> standing lug sprit boom one (the main is huge (I added 3/4" to the
> mast diameter) as I like makeing something in light air. I also
> in 700 lb lead but placed it alittle too far aft having notaccounted
> for the weight of the Honda on the transom. I also have room for20
> gallons of gasat
>
> We took it down the Mississippi in two weeks anchoring at the bank
> night staying in marinas only North of St, Louis and at Memphis.rig
>
> I have had to store it since then and have not tried the sailing
> to enough report honestly about it. Phil suggested that I do aknock
> down righting test (which I will) next spring after I reconditionit.
>built)
> I sent pictures to Bolgers (as I have with all his boats I've
> and also to MAIB who published a picture of the boat nearly donewith
> a letter and then Phil wrote an article for the magazine next year.planned
>
> The sharpie hull form motored wonderfully and I've got a trip
> to Lake Superior (I've had to get myself retired (and my daughterfor
> went off to an art school in Chicago) and clear up some person
> matters before I could do any more cruising, but hope to have a
> report for the group next summer.
>
> Do not !!! finish a boat bright if you plan to have it out doors
> any serious time !!
>
Graeme:
I took the plans from 30 Odd Boats
(Sarah(daughter) & I had made 265 miles on the Mississippi in my Wisp,
but we got tired of locks and camping in mud and rowing into
headwinds) back in 1999, so I picked the Wish II as the 'size' and
hull form, then took the scantlings and offsets from the book.
We built the boat in one 1/2 summers (folks the hull and deck is 1/3
of the work) I sewed sails with materials form Sail-Rite and we got
going agian in 2002. I modified the design by deleting the aft bunks
and put a deeper cockpit (Bolger thought I lost too much righting
volume, but I don't),I moved the pivot rudder over about 9" and then
cut a portal in the large transon for an 8 hp long shaft 4 bladed
prop Honda. I put a tabernacle for the mast just high enough to
clear the stem and the interior is 6' bearths in front and 5' sitting
and stowage. I also added a little spring to the sheer but did not
cut woen the transom. of The rig is changed to a cat yawl double
standing lug sprit boom one (the main is huge (I added 3/4" to the
mast diameter) as I like makeing something in light air. I also put
in 700 lb lead but placed it alittle too far aft having not accounted
for the weight of the Honda on the transom. I also have room for 20
gallons of gas
We took it down the Mississippi in two weeks anchoring at the bank at
night staying in marinas only North of St, Louis and at Memphis.
I have had to store it since then and have not tried the sailing rig
to enough report honestly about it. Phil suggested that I do a knock
down righting test (which I will) next spring after I recondition it.
I sent pictures to Bolgers (as I have with all his boats I've built)
and also to MAIB who published a picture of the boat nearly done with
a letter and then Phil wrote an article for the magazine next year.
The sharpie hull form motored wonderfully and I've got a trip planned
to Lake Superior (I've had to get myself retired (and my daughter
went off to an art school in Chicago) and clear up some person
matters before I could do any more cruising, but hope to have a
report for the group next summer.
Do not !!! finish a boat bright if you plan to have it out doors for
any serious time !!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
I took the plans from 30 Odd Boats
(Sarah(daughter) & I had made 265 miles on the Mississippi in my Wisp,
but we got tired of locks and camping in mud and rowing into
headwinds) back in 1999, so I picked the Wish II as the 'size' and
hull form, then took the scantlings and offsets from the book.
We built the boat in one 1/2 summers (folks the hull and deck is 1/3
of the work) I sewed sails with materials form Sail-Rite and we got
going agian in 2002. I modified the design by deleting the aft bunks
and put a deeper cockpit (Bolger thought I lost too much righting
volume, but I don't),I moved the pivot rudder over about 9" and then
cut a portal in the large transon for an 8 hp long shaft 4 bladed
prop Honda. I put a tabernacle for the mast just high enough to
clear the stem and the interior is 6' bearths in front and 5' sitting
and stowage. I also added a little spring to the sheer but did not
cut woen the transom. of The rig is changed to a cat yawl double
standing lug sprit boom one (the main is huge (I added 3/4" to the
mast diameter) as I like makeing something in light air. I also put
in 700 lb lead but placed it alittle too far aft having not accounted
for the weight of the Honda on the transom. I also have room for 20
gallons of gas
We took it down the Mississippi in two weeks anchoring at the bank at
night staying in marinas only North of St, Louis and at Memphis.
I have had to store it since then and have not tried the sailing rig
to enough report honestly about it. Phil suggested that I do a knock
down righting test (which I will) next spring after I recondition it.
I sent pictures to Bolgers (as I have with all his boats I've built)
and also to MAIB who published a picture of the boat nearly done with
a letter and then Phil wrote an article for the magazine next year.
The sharpie hull form motored wonderfully and I've got a trip planned
to Lake Superior (I've had to get myself retired (and my daughter
went off to an art school in Chicago) and clear up some person
matters before I could do any more cruising, but hope to have a
report for the group next summer.
Do not !!! finish a boat bright if you plan to have it out doors for
any serious time !!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>got a
> James,
>
> A WISH II?
>
> Wow, please, do tell us about it. I didn't think the plans were
> available. What was the plan price?
>
> This is a favourite design of mine. 8" draft.
>
> When I saw it, I liked the modified Long Micro "Zoon"
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/zoon.htm#startbut then I finally
> copy of _30 Odd Boats_ and saw WISH II... it's already for a junkmain
> and reaching spinnaker like Dave and Anke wished for.your
> - Wish 2 ticks a lot of items on the wish list!
>
> James, how have you found it to be? Did PB do an upgrade plan for
> outboard? How much payload will she carry? How's the sailing?people
>
> yeah I know, questions, questions, too many ... but I think your
> mention of actual experience with Wish II is a first here. And
> would love to know more... even just a little.wrote:
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@>
> >wrote:
> > My daughter and I built a 20' Wish II for $6,000. This includes a
> > $2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.
> >
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@>
> >
> > My daughter and I built a 20' Wish II for $6,000. This includes a
> > $2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.
> >
>
James,
A WISH II?
Wow, please, do tell us about it. I didn't think the plans were
available. What was the plan price?
This is a favourite design of mine. 8" draft.
When I saw it, I liked the modified Long Micro "Zoon"
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/zoon.htm#startbut then I finally got a
copy of _30 Odd Boats_ and saw WISH II... it's already for a junk main
and reaching spinnaker like Dave and Anke wished for.
- Wish 2 ticks a lot of items on the wish list!
James, how have you found it to be? Did PB do an upgrade plan for your
outboard? How much payload will she carry? How's the sailing?
yeah I know, questions, questions, too many ... but I think your
mention of actual experience with Wish II is a first here. And people
would love to know more... even just a little.
Cheers
Graeme
A WISH II?
Wow, please, do tell us about it. I didn't think the plans were
available. What was the plan price?
This is a favourite design of mine. 8" draft.
When I saw it, I liked the modified Long Micro "Zoon"
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/zoon.htm#startbut then I finally got a
copy of _30 Odd Boats_ and saw WISH II... it's already for a junk main
and reaching spinnaker like Dave and Anke wished for.
- Wish 2 ticks a lot of items on the wish list!
James, how have you found it to be? Did PB do an upgrade plan for your
outboard? How much payload will she carry? How's the sailing?
yeah I know, questions, questions, too many ... but I think your
mention of actual experience with Wish II is a first here. And people
would love to know more... even just a little.
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@...> wrote:
>
> My daughter and I built a 20' Wish II for $6,000. This includes a
> $2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@...> wrote:
>
> My daughter and I built a 20' Wish II for $6,000. This includes a
> $2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.
>
Several years back I believe I built mine all up for $5K US.
Probably would be around $6500 now.
David Jost
"anxiously awaiting the 18' skiff plans from Payson to replace the
rotted Diablo".
Probably would be around $6500 now.
David Jost
"anxiously awaiting the 18' skiff plans from Payson to replace the
rotted Diablo".
My daughter and I built a 20' Wish II for $6,000. This includes a
$2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.
$2,000 new outboard and home made sails, but not a trailer.