Re: [bolger] Re: build a micro?

His Kingfisher also

http://www.devlinboat.com/dckingfisher26.htm

HJ

Peter Lenihan wrote:

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, mike weekes <yellowstone_mike@...>
> wrote:
>
>> There ia a 25 foot tug I'd like to build - has anyone ever heard of
>>
> a 25 foot tack n tape style as large as 25' long and 8'6" wide with
> perhaps 2 foot draw?
>
>>
>> yellowstone_mike@...
>>
>
>
> Sam Devlin has two lovely stitch-n-glue "tugs",that look like this:
>
>http://www.devlinboat.com/godzilla2.jpg
>
> His web site has more pictures and information.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan, wandering in a winter wonderland...........
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, mike weekes <yellowstone_mike@...>
wrote:

>
> There ia a 25 foot tug I'd like to build - has anyone ever heard of

a 25 foot tack n tape style as large as 25' long and 8'6" wide with
perhaps 2 foot draw?

>
> yellowstone_mike@...

Sam Devlin has two lovely stitch-n-glue "tugs",that look like this:

http://www.devlinboat.com/godzilla2.jpg

His web site has more pictures and information.

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, wandering in a winter wonderland...........

Stitch and glue boats can be built in any size. Most larger boats use
frames, molds, bulkheads, etc. to hold the shape during construction.
What boat are you talking about?

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com

> There ia a 25 foot tug I'd like to build - has anyone ever heard of a
> 25 foot tack n tape style as large as 25' long and 8'6" wide with
> perhaps 2 foot draw?

There ia a 25 foot tug I'd like to build - has anyone ever heard of a 25 foot tack n tape style as large as 25' long and 8'6" wide with perhaps 2 foot draw?

yellowstone_mike@...

Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
wrote:
Micros are getting a little dated. A lot has

> changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't think

the

> bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right answer

for

> someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike some

> designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the

same

> bang for the buck.
>
> Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly as
> this one.

Weeelllll I don't know about that.The water certainly hasn't changed
all that much nor has the wind and they've been around for a very very
long time :-)

For max interior volume, it is hard to beat a box, any box.
Information technology has advanced and there are indeed oodles of new
fresh designs out there but,and here is the challenge; using only 14
sheets of plywood, produce a boat with handsome rugged good looks( I
know,not eveyones' cup of tea), make it self-righing,self-
rescuing,capable of comfortably sailing in all but the strongest of
winds( well up into the small craft warning zone),able to be
provisioned with stores for two for at least a week at a time,give it
a cabin not sliced in two buy a centerboard case and with a comfy
sitting headroom cabin.Make it railerable.
I'll bet the computer designers will be mighty pissed off when the
machine keeps spitting out a) a box or b) a shape so "tortured" only a
professional would attempt to build it.
In the end,however, one should keep in mind the origins of the MICRO
design. It was intended to be a boat easily built by non-boatbuilders,
a relaxing and forgiving day-sailor which could handle an occasional
over-night and at the end of the day be brought home and put to bed
right beside the car in the drive way, while not costing a small
fortune to build in relatively little time.This bare bones brief, I
believe, was met with the MICRO, and many of those same requirements
still hold considerable allure for young and not so young folks
seeking to be on the water in a boat wrought of their own hands.

I know there have been some fine summer days when I wished I still had
mine in the water:-)(are you reading this Nels?...in the water!)

O.K., enough of my nonsense. I was and remain a sucker for the Micro!!

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan...............

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:

>
> Centennial II.
> 13. sheets. !!

Ah,pretty good that one Graeme! But, I forgot to mention with the
Micro, a sailing draft of not more then what,18" :-)
And while I'm at it,a sailing rig not encumbered by peak sprits:-D

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, scatching his head for more minor differences as the
snow flies from our first snow storm of the
year...yippee....yahoo....and boo!!

Centennial II.
13. sheets. !!

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:

> here is the challenge; using only 14 sheets of plywood, produce a
>boat with handsome rugged good looks( I know,not eveyones' cup of
>tea), make it self-righing,self-rescuing,capable of comfortably
>sailing in all but the strongest of winds( well up into the small
>craft warning zone),able to be provisioned with stores for two for at
>least a week at a time,give it a cabin not sliced in two buy a
>centerboard case and with a comfy sitting headroom cabin.Make it
>railerable.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
wrote:
Micros are getting a little dated. A lot has

> changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't think

the

> bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right answer

for

> someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike some

> designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the

same

> bang for the buck.
>
> Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly as
> this one.

> I'm interested in these comments
> about Micro not necessarily being up
> to date or practical

My feeling after reading the guy's opinion about Micro is that he has
had no personal experience with the boat and simply doesn't like its
appearance, or maybe he just has different personal goals for a boat
that Micro can fulfill ... so why put any stock in his "opinions"?

Most who build Micro's enjoy the boats and are glad they have them, and
that's all that should matter.

If you really want some useful information, the best sources might be
people who have owned and sailed the boats, then sold them. These are
the folks who might tell you "The boat sucked so I got rid of it" or "I
wish I never sold it because it was ideal for me".

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com

On Nov 30, 2007 9:07 AM, mason smith <masonsmith@...> wrote:

>
> I'm interested in these comments about Micro not necessarily being up to
> date or practical.

To say the obvious, it all depends!

Speaking personally, my Micro was not at all practical siting on a
trailer in my driveway, and then became exceedingly practical the
moment I got a coveted marina berth walking distance from my office in
downtown San Francisco. Ditto for lots of other dualities; not
practical for cross oceans, but plenty practical for local sailing,
etc..

All these discussions must start with the question: What kind of
boating to you have in mind?

I'm interested in these comments about Micro not necessarily being up to date or practical. I have had two Drascombes, two Birdwatchers, and a Dovekie, and recently completed a Micro somebody else had built and used with out keel or sailiing rig. It has endeared itself to me in the little use I could make of it before the end of the sailing season here (Adirondacks), and I tend to think it's going to prove my favorite of all these, because it packs more space and is more comfortable. Once I got the trailer right for that new ballast keel, so that the boat became as easy to launch and retrieve as a Birdwatcher (almost) I began to think that a shallow-keel keelboat wasn't a bad thing at all. And for the inexperienced sailow, who may not delight in the liveliness of, say, a Birdwatcher with the Solent sloop rig, or the enclosed sailing position of same, Micro would be very steady and reassuring. Doesn't seem in any way outdone by more recent developments in plywood construction, to me.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have always thought that mostly, if one wants to go sailing, one
should buy a boat. If one wants to build a boat, then one should build
a boat. If you average it out on an hourly basis, it works out much
cheaper than playing golf or even going to the movies.

I also think model building is a great idea, and if you take the time
to build a nice one in wood, it can make a great gift for the kid or
grandkid or whatever.

If I were going to build something like the Micro, I would be tempted
to steer more toward a Michalak Musicbox 2 or 3. It is essentially the
same boat, but is maybe more practical in some ways -- faster to rig,
lighter to transport because of the water ballast, less draft,
beachable flat bottom, etc.

As for experience, you don't need any boatbuilding experience to build
these boats, but it would help a lot if you have the basic woodworking
tools and know how to use them. If not, I would build a small canoe or
a dory or something simple to kind of get things figured out before
launching into a Micro or something similar.

Cheers, Brian

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
wrote:

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
> > experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
> > experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending to
> > order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then saw
>
>
> I don't personally put Stevensons on the same level as Bolger, and
> others. So I think you are moving in the right direction.
>
> Boats are about what you want out of them. The more you can narrow
> the brief the better. Micros are getting a little dated. A lot has
> changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't think the
> bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right answer for
> someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike some PB
> designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the same
> bang for the buck.
>
> Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly as
> this one. I would build, and have, many of the smaller box designs,
> but I don't see the reason to configure a larger boat this way today.
> When I started out building boats 30 years ago, so many tools were
> either unthought of or extremely expensive. Raw plywood was very
> cheap, in good quality. And the prefered sheathing for ply and even
> strip boats at the time was fiberglass resin. For example. a quality
> General planer cost about 70% of a Volvo, in the mid 70s. now you can
> pick one up for the cost of 2-4 fills of the gas tank. Free online
> design programs were not even on the horizon. And every decade has
> brought major changes. Whether tackling traditional projects, like
> planking, or modern designs, it's all so much easier, not to mention
> the information revolution, that I really fail to see the practical
> sideo of a Micro any longer.
>

--
Hi Denis,

Couldn't agree with you more. I plan to launch my Old Shoe early
next summer. I feel that PCB's designs are still appealing to many
folks. I'm building mine because I personally like the design and it
fits my needs perfectly. Realizing that there are thousands of boat
designs out there...it just boils down to personal choice.. has to.

Best of luck to you on your forth-coming launch.

Regards,

Dennis

- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "meier.denis" <meier.denis@...> wrote:

>
> I will launch my Micro named Wave in the spring and have enjoyed
> every minute of building a small cruiser that will do everything I
> want it to as I cruise into my retirement a few years from now.I

have

> used okume mahogany and west epoxy. Both are easy to work with for

> amateur. A jig saw, some clamps and a radial arm saw to rip 1 x 6
> spruce and you are good to go. Someone told me that the hardest

part

> of building the boat would be just getting started and I agree. I
> have been looking at plans for 25 years and the Micro is the #1
> choice for me.I just can't wait to get my MicroWave in the water.
>
> Denis
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor"
> <proaconstrictor@> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys
> with
> > > experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any
> real
> > > experience but looking to get started. I originally was

intending

> to
> > > order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I

then

> saw
> >
> >
> > I don't personally put Stevensons on the same level as Bolger,

and

> > others. So I think you are moving in the right direction.
> >
> > Boats are about what you want out of them. The more you can

narrow

> > the brief the better. Micros are getting a little dated. A lot
> has
> > changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't

think

> the
> > bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right

answer

> for
> > someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike

some

> PB
> > designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the
> same
> > bang for the buck.
> >
> > Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly
> as
> > this one. I would build, and have, many of the smaller box
> designs,
> > but I don't see the reason to configure a larger boat this way
> today.
> > When I started out building boats 30 years ago, so many tools

were

> > either unthought of or extremely expensive. Raw plywood was very
> > cheap, in good quality. And the prefered sheathing for ply and
> even
> > strip boats at the time was fiberglass resin. For example. a
> quality
> > General planer cost about 70% of a Volvo, in the mid 70s. now you
> can
> > pick one up for the cost of 2-4 fills of the gas tank. Free

online

> > design programs were not even on the horizon. And every decade

has

> > brought major changes. Whether tackling traditional projects,

> > planking, or modern designs, it's all so much easier, not to
> mention
> > the information revolution, that I really fail to see the

practical

> > sideo of a Micro any longer.
> >
>

I will launch my Micro named Wave in the spring and have enjoyed
every minute of building a small cruiser that will do everything I
want it to as I cruise into my retirement a few years from now.I have
used okume mahogany and west epoxy. Both are easy to work with for an
amateur. A jig saw, some clamps and a radial arm saw to rip 1 x 6
spruce and you are good to go. Someone told me that the hardest part
of building the boat would be just getting started and I agree. I
have been looking at plans for 25 years and the Micro is the #1
choice for me.I just can't wait to get my MicroWave in the water.

Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proaconstrictor"
<proaconstrictor@...> wrote:

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys

with

> > experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any

real

> > experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending

> > order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then

saw

>
>
> I don't personally put Stevensons on the same level as Bolger, and
> others. So I think you are moving in the right direction.
>
> Boats are about what you want out of them. The more you can narrow
> the brief the better. Micros are getting a little dated. A lot

has

> changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't think

the

> bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right answer

for

> someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike some

> designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the

same

> bang for the buck.
>
> Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly

> this one. I would build, and have, many of the smaller box

designs,

> but I don't see the reason to configure a larger boat this way

today.

> When I started out building boats 30 years ago, so many tools were
> either unthought of or extremely expensive. Raw plywood was very
> cheap, in good quality. And the prefered sheathing for ply and

even

> strip boats at the time was fiberglass resin. For example. a

quality

> General planer cost about 70% of a Volvo, in the mid 70s. now you

can

> pick one up for the cost of 2-4 fills of the gas tank. Free online
> design programs were not even on the horizon. And every decade has
> brought major changes. Whether tackling traditional projects, like
> planking, or modern designs, it's all so much easier, not to

mention

> the information revolution, that I really fail to see the practical
> sideo of a Micro any longer.
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
> experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
> experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending to
> order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then saw

I don't personally put Stevensons on the same level as Bolger, and
others. So I think you are moving in the right direction.

Boats are about what you want out of them. The more you can narrow
the brief the better. Micros are getting a little dated. A lot has
changed in the last 20-30 years of boatbuilding, and I don't think the
bang for the buck is there today. They are still the right answer for
someone, and they haven't changed from what they were, unlike some PB
designs since. Built to current standards, there just isn't the same
bang for the buck.

Today, there really isn't as much reason to build a box as costly as
this one. I would build, and have, many of the smaller box designs,
but I don't see the reason to configure a larger boat this way today.
When I started out building boats 30 years ago, so many tools were
either unthought of or extremely expensive. Raw plywood was very
cheap, in good quality. And the prefered sheathing for ply and even
strip boats at the time was fiberglass resin. For example. a quality
General planer cost about 70% of a Volvo, in the mid 70s. now you can
pick one up for the cost of 2-4 fills of the gas tank. Free online
design programs were not even on the horizon. And every decade has
brought major changes. Whether tackling traditional projects, like
planking, or modern designs, it's all so much easier, not to mention
the information revolution, that I really fail to see the practical
sideo of a Micro any longer.

I agree. I also built a model of my build before tackleing the real
thing...It was very helpful.

Jim

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > As has been said before - Start small!
>
> Specifically, build models first.
>
> Speaking personally, I have learned so much more by building paper
> models of boats,
> and by building 'virtual' models of boats using a computer.
>
> I say this, having built 12+ full sized boats, 30+ paper models, and
> countless computer models. The models are the most useful for
> increasing my understanding, plus (or because) they are very much
> cheaper and faster to realize. A mistake in a full sized boat can be
> a big regret, the same mistake in a model is a welcome learning
> experience.
>

> As has been said before - Start small!

Specifically, build models first.

Speaking personally, I have learned so much more by building paper
models of boats,
and by building 'virtual' models of boats using a computer.

I say this, having built 12+ full sized boats, 30+ paper models, and
countless computer models. The models are the most useful for
increasing my understanding, plus (or because) they are very much
cheaper and faster to realize. A mistake in a full sized boat can be
a big regret, the same mistake in a model is a welcome learning
experience.

And along those lines..

Gavin Atkin's new book is out titled Ultrasimple Boat Building

It is a great book for new builders and even for more experienced builders
looking for a refresher on the basics and some simple fun designs.

There is a good description at the Duckworks Magazine site.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/books/usbb/index.htm

Ed B

-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
alias1719
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 3:39 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: build a micro?

As has been said before - Start small! Don't put in a big investment
in time and money on your first project - you might hate it!
Boatbuilding will take you much longer and cost more than you think
(but it's definitely worth it!). And, progress measured in weeks,
rather than months or even years, is MUCH more conducive to keeping
up one's enthusiasm!
......

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As has been said before - Start small! Don't put in a big investment
in time and money on your first project - you might hate it!
Boatbuilding will take you much longer and cost more than you think
(but it's definitely worth it!). And, progress measured in weeks,
rather than months or even years, is MUCH more conducive to keeping
up one's enthusiasm!
Also, a Micro is a pretty large boat, for it's size - and mostly "to
camp and sail on local lakes." It is well designed for it's purpose
(though heavy, short and slow), but trailering, launching, rigging
and then reversing the process will take up a lot of time and effort
that you could be using to sail, instead. There are many other
boats that will suit your stated purposes that are easier and
quicker to construct - and easier and quicker to get sailing, too.

Anyway, start with a smaller, less expensive, project and you're
much more likely to both finish the boat, and be able to use it
easily. Plus, you'll get to make mistakes and figure out the process
on something a bit less dear.

Check out smaller Bolger designs on Payson's website:
http://www.instantboats.com/boats.html

Or, check out other simple designs by (Bolger inspired) Jim Michalak:
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/michalak.htm
In particular, he has a number of unballasted micro-cruisers that
are less complex than Bolger's Micro, and still very functional.

And, you should read some books! Jim Michalak's "Boatbuilding for
Beginners and Beyond" is perfect, and of course there's the books by
H.H. Payson, which are specific to some of the Bolger designs. You
can't go wrong with the late, great, Thomas Firth Jones, either.

If you're dead set on a trailer sailing cruiser, you should know
that there are many, many old fiberglass ones available CHEAP, all
over the country. Buy one and start sailing right away, instead of
waaaay down the road. They'll likely be longer (ergo, faster) than a
Micro, too, with more in the way of creature comforts. You can still
build a smaller boat, too - though I daresay it won't be your last.
It's addictive!

Good luck! - Dave

And, yes, I once built a Micro . . . .

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
> experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
> experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending
to
> order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then
saw
> the micro and while it isnt maybe as pretty, it seems to be
functionaly
> superior. I want to use the boat to camp and sail on local lakes.
but
> have aspirations of maybe going to Puget Sound or something
similar in
> the future. I am hoping you guys can tell me the advantagess to
the
> micro and how good of a boat it is.
>
> Look forward to your response
> Thank you
> Tri
>

Tri,
I really can't speak for a Micro other than it is the most popular of
the designs here..many have been built because of the thoughts you have
expressed.
Personally I built a light schooner which has exccelled my expectations
for my desires.
That said nothing can compare with the joy of building your own boat.
Friends and family will always think highly of you after the boat is
launched.
As before said you can purchase a boat much cheaper than building..For
instance I could own a high tensil cabin cruiser for what it cost me to
build the light schooner....but she wouldn't stand out...you would be
one of many...
For handleing, ease ,accomedation and a conversation piece build a
Bolger design.

Jim

p.s. You already said you wanted to build...a Micro. The light schooner
was my first built and she turned out great...if the Micro is the boat
you want build do it and ask questions here along the way.

Jim

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tri Robinson" <gzusinme@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
> experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
> experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending to
> order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then saw
> the micro and while it isnt maybe as pretty, it seems to be
functionaly
> superior. I want to use the boat to camp and sail on local lakes. but
> have aspirations of maybe going to Puget Sound or something similar
in
> the future. I am hoping you guys can tell me the advantagess to the
> micro and how good of a boat it is.
>
> Look forward to your response
> Thank you
> Tri
>

Tri,
I've owned my micro for over ten years now. Mine isn't a great performer upwind but other than that I love it. It's got lots of storage space for cruising. The flat bottom makes for a very stable platform both under sail and at anchor. It's cheap to own and operate. Mine is powered by a 5hp four stroke but for the most part the boat cruises at hull speed just above idle. This summer I took to towing the boat by rowing it behind the tender during the calms just to get a little exercise. I can't be certain but I suspect you could scull a micro at over two knots.
If you haven't built a boat before I'd reccomend you start on something smaller though. My tender is a nutshell pram. It's a great little boat and will give you the experience you'll need to build the micro.
You may or not know this but building your own boat while satisfying is not an economical proposition. You could easily spend $6000. on the boat trailer and motor and not get half that for it on the day you launched.

Buck Crowley
________________________________

> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> From:gzusinme@...
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:03:36 +0000
> Subject: [bolger] build a micro?
>
>
> Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
> experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
> experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending to
> order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then saw
> the micro and while it isnt maybe as pretty, it seems to be functionaly
> superior. I want to use the boat to camp and sail on local lakes. but
> have aspirations of maybe going to Puget Sound or something similar in
> the future. I am hoping you guys can tell me the advantagess to the
> micro and how good of a boat it is.
>
> Look forward to your response
> Thank you
> Tri
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now.
http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM

Hello, was wondering if I could get some advice from you guys with
experience. I am looking to build a sailboat, I dont have any real
experience but looking to get started. I originally was intending to
order the weekender plans froms stevens projects. However I then saw
the micro and while it isnt maybe as pretty, it seems to be functionaly
superior. I want to use the boat to camp and sail on local lakes. but
have aspirations of maybe going to Puget Sound or something similar in
the future. I am hoping you guys can tell me the advantagess to the
micro and how good of a boat it is.

Look forward to your response
Thank you
Tri