Re: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
And was a favorite building wood of the late Robb White if I remember
correctly
HJ
John Kohnen wrote:
correctly
HJ
John Kohnen wrote:
> Your N. Carolina "poplar" is yellow poplar, tulip poplar, or tulip tree --
> Liriodendron tulipifera. It's not even remotely related to cottonwood or
> it's poplar relatives -- Populus spp. Makes things confusing, doesn't it?
> <g>
>
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:11:17 -0800, Patrick C wrote:
>
>
>> ...
>> Also, though the
>> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
>> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
>> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
>> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
>> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
>> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>> ...
>>
>
>
Your N. Carolina "poplar" is yellow poplar, tulip poplar, or tulip tree --
Liriodendron tulipifera. It's not even remotely related to cottonwood or
it's poplar relatives -- Populus spp. Makes things confusing, doesn't it?
<g>
Liriodendron tulipifera. It's not even remotely related to cottonwood or
it's poplar relatives -- Populus spp. Makes things confusing, doesn't it?
<g>
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:11:17 -0800, Patrick C wrote:
> ...
> Also, though the
> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
History is a vast early warning system. <Norman Cousins>
The HDO makes great workbench tops! That's what the Mark used on all the workbenches when he was setting up the new Fab shop.
Blessings Krissie
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote: Some Olyply comes in 5/16th to 1-1/4th but standard is 3/8 and 1/2. The
over lay for concrete forms is HDO not MDO.
Jon
Blessings Krissie
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote: Some Olyply comes in 5/16th to 1-1/4th but standard is 3/8 and 1/2. The
over lay for concrete forms is HDO not MDO.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM, Hajo Smulders <hajosmulders@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thx for the quick reply. Where does one get MDO?
> >
> > Hajo
>
> Phone around to the commercial lumberyards. You might also try asking
> the local sign maker company where they buy theirs. The 'overlay' is
> quite hard, and I understand it is resin impregnated fibe, not unlike
> resin impregnated fiberglass. Some of the overlays are designed for
> concrete formwork and are slippery so the concrete doesn't stick, (and
> also paint). The sign maker MDO is designed so that paint sticks
> tightly, and that is what you want for a painted boat.
>
> I wish it came in 1/4" thickness, but the thinnest I have found is
1/2"
>
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Cottonwood is a weed! I've seen Cottonwood trees rot from the inside out while they are growing... But Cottonwood does make good pulp for paper!
Like they say people from the northwest don't tan we rust.. I do think it's funny, the people in the Puget Sound area thinks it rains a lot... Try living in SE Alaska some places over 200 inch a year! Also the Gulf Coast gets more rain then Seattle by about double.
Blessings all
Krissie
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote: John K. and I are in the NW where summer is when the rain gets warm.
LOL Here the cotton wood and Alders can have some realy pritty grain
colors but they often fade with drying.
Jon
Like they say people from the northwest don't tan we rust.. I do think it's funny, the people in the Puget Sound area thinks it rains a lot... Try living in SE Alaska some places over 200 inch a year! Also the Gulf Coast gets more rain then Seattle by about double.
Blessings all
Krissie
"Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote: John K. and I are in the NW where summer is when the rain gets warm.
LOL Here the cotton wood and Alders can have some realy pritty grain
colors but they often fade with drying.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>
> I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized
cottonwood
> because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you
burned
> some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out
the
> creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though
the
> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint
in
> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been
a
> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>
> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does
indeed
> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get
wide
> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>
> Patrick
>
> Harry James wrote:
> > And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
> >
> >> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it
to
> >> dry it rots faster then it dries,
> >>
> >
>
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Some Olyply comes in 5/16th to 1-1/4th but standard is 3/8 and 1/2. The
over lay for concrete forms is HDO not MDO.
Jon
over lay for concrete forms is HDO not MDO.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM, Hajo Smulders <hajosmulders@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thx for the quick reply. Where does one get MDO?
> >
> > Hajo
>
> Phone around to the commercial lumberyards. You might also try asking
> the local sign maker company where they buy theirs. The 'overlay' is
> quite hard, and I understand it is resin impregnated fibe, not unlike
> resin impregnated fiberglass. Some of the overlays are designed for
> concrete formwork and are slippery so the concrete doesn't stick, (and
> also paint). The sign maker MDO is designed so that paint sticks
> tightly, and that is what you want for a painted boat.
>
> I wish it came in 1/4" thickness, but the thinnest I have found is
1/2"
>
On Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM, Hajo Smulders <hajosmulders@...> wrote:
the local sign maker company where they buy theirs. The 'overlay' is
quite hard, and I understand it is resin impregnated fibe, not unlike
resin impregnated fiberglass. Some of the overlays are designed for
concrete formwork and are slippery so the concrete doesn't stick, (and
also paint). The sign maker MDO is designed so that paint sticks
tightly, and that is what you want for a painted boat.
I wish it came in 1/4" thickness, but the thinnest I have found is 1/2"
>Phone around to the commercial lumberyards. You might also try asking
> Thx for the quick reply. Where does one get MDO?
>
> Hajo
the local sign maker company where they buy theirs. The 'overlay' is
quite hard, and I understand it is resin impregnated fibe, not unlike
resin impregnated fiberglass. Some of the overlays are designed for
concrete formwork and are slippery so the concrete doesn't stick, (and
also paint). The sign maker MDO is designed so that paint sticks
tightly, and that is what you want for a painted boat.
I wish it came in 1/4" thickness, but the thinnest I have found is 1/2"
Some old advice...from which I get the distinct impression that ash wood is
the fuel of choice.
WOOD HEAT
From TREE FARM by John Estabrook
Beech wood fires are bright and clear
If the logs are kept a year.
Chestnut's only good, they say
If for long it's laid away.
But ash wood new or ash wood old
Is fit for a queen with a crown of gold.
Birch and fir logs burn too fast,
Blaze up bright and do not last.
It is by the Irish said
Hawthorn bakes the sweetest bread.
Elm wood burns like churchyard mould -
E'en the very flames are cold;
But ash wood green and ash wood brown
Is fit for a queen with a golden crown.
Poplar gives a bitter smoke,
Fills your eyes and makes you choke.
Apple wood will scent your room
With an incense like perfume.
Oaken logs if dry and old
Keep away the winter cold.
But ash wood wet and ash wood dry
A king shall warm his slippers by.
Oak logs will warm you well,
If they're warm and dry.
Larch logs of pine wood smell
But sparks will fly.
Beech logs for Christmas time;
Yew logs heat well.
Scotch logs it's a crime
For anyone to sell.
Birch logs will burn too fast,
Chestnut scarce at all.
Hawthorn logs are good to last,
If cut in the fall.
Holly logs will burn like wax,
You should burn them green.
Elm logs like smouldering flax;
No flames to be seen.
Pear logs and apple logs,
They will scent your room.
Cherry logs across the dogs
Smell like flowers in bloom.
But ash logs all smooth and gray,
Burn them green or old,
Buy up all that come you way,
They're worth their weight in gold.
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Harry James
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
OK so I can't spell cottenwood cottinwood cottonwood.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
the fuel of choice.
WOOD HEAT
From TREE FARM by John Estabrook
Beech wood fires are bright and clear
If the logs are kept a year.
Chestnut's only good, they say
If for long it's laid away.
But ash wood new or ash wood old
Is fit for a queen with a crown of gold.
Birch and fir logs burn too fast,
Blaze up bright and do not last.
It is by the Irish said
Hawthorn bakes the sweetest bread.
Elm wood burns like churchyard mould -
E'en the very flames are cold;
But ash wood green and ash wood brown
Is fit for a queen with a golden crown.
Poplar gives a bitter smoke,
Fills your eyes and makes you choke.
Apple wood will scent your room
With an incense like perfume.
Oaken logs if dry and old
Keep away the winter cold.
But ash wood wet and ash wood dry
A king shall warm his slippers by.
Oak logs will warm you well,
If they're warm and dry.
Larch logs of pine wood smell
But sparks will fly.
Beech logs for Christmas time;
Yew logs heat well.
Scotch logs it's a crime
For anyone to sell.
Birch logs will burn too fast,
Chestnut scarce at all.
Hawthorn logs are good to last,
If cut in the fall.
Holly logs will burn like wax,
You should burn them green.
Elm logs like smouldering flax;
No flames to be seen.
Pear logs and apple logs,
They will scent your room.
Cherry logs across the dogs
Smell like flowers in bloom.
But ash logs all smooth and gray,
Burn them green or old,
Buy up all that come you way,
They're worth their weight in gold.
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Harry James
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
OK so I can't spell cottenwood cottinwood cottonwood.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
> I have never had any luck with cottenwood as a fuel, possibly I was[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> never able to get it dry. All my experience with it as a fuel was in
> Western AK. If you could get it to light it would just sit there and
> smolder. I do have Cottenwoods on my property here in Juneau, the one in
> the front yard did good service as the boys were growing up when they
> needed a tree to go sulk in.
>
> HJ
>
> Patrick Crockett wrote:
>
>> I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized cottonwood
>> because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you burned
>> some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out the
>> creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though the
>> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
>> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
>> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
>> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>>
>> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
>> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
>> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> Harry James wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
>>>
>>> HJ
>>>
>>>
>
OK so I can't spell cottenwood cottinwood cottonwood.
HJ
Harry James wrote:
HJ
Harry James wrote:
> I have never had any luck with cottenwood as a fuel, possibly I was
> never able to get it dry. All my experience with it as a fuel was in
> Western AK. If you could get it to light it would just sit there and
> smolder. I do have Cottenwoods on my property here in Juneau, the one in
> the front yard did good service as the boys were growing up when they
> needed a tree to go sulk in.
>
> HJ
>
> Patrick Crockett wrote:
>
>> I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized cottonwood
>> because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you burned
>> some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out the
>> creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though the
>> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
>> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
>> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
>> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>>
>> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
>> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
>> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> Harry James wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
>>>
>>> HJ
>>>
>>>
>
I have never had any luck with cottenwood as a fuel, possibly I was
never able to get it dry. All my experience with it as a fuel was in
Western AK. If you could get it to light it would just sit there and
smolder. I do have Cottenwoods on my property here in Juneau, the one in
the front yard did good service as the boys were growing up when they
needed a tree to go sulk in.
HJ
Patrick Crockett wrote:
never able to get it dry. All my experience with it as a fuel was in
Western AK. If you could get it to light it would just sit there and
smolder. I do have Cottenwoods on my property here in Juneau, the one in
the front yard did good service as the boys were growing up when they
needed a tree to go sulk in.
HJ
Patrick Crockett wrote:
> I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized cottonwood
> because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you burned
> some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out the
> creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though the
> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>
> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>
> Patrick
>
> Harry James wrote:
>
>> And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it to
>>> dry it rots faster then it dries,
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
>Hey!Sounds like the perfect wood for boats and insurance companies! :-D
> And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
John K. and I are in the NW where summer is when the rain gets warm.
LOL Here the cotton wood and Alders can have some realy pritty grain
colors but they often fade with drying.
Jon
LOL Here the cotton wood and Alders can have some realy pritty grain
colors but they often fade with drying.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>
> I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized
cottonwood
> because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you
burned
> some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out
the
> creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though
the
> wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint
in
> cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
> different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been
a
> few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
>
> I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does
indeed
> decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get
wide
> planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
>
> Patrick
>
> Harry James wrote:
> > And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
> >
> >> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it
to
> >> dry it rots faster then it dries,
> >>
> >
>
I dunno -- when we were living in New Mexico, people prized cottonwood
because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you burned
some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out the
creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though the
wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
Patrick
Harry James wrote:
because it burns hot and fast and clean. Folklore was that if you burned
some cottonwood now and then in your fireplace, it would clean out the
creosote left behind by the pine you'd been burning. Also, though the
wood seems similar (though I don't recall noticing a greenish tint in
cottonwood logs), it seems to me that the cottonwood leaves were a
different shape from the poplar leaves here in North Carolina. Been a
few years, though, so I could be misremembering.
I can attest to poplar's lack of resistance to rot -- it does indeed
decay faster than it dries in a humid environment. You sure can get wide
planks out of it, though. Not to mention big bowls and trays.
Patrick
Harry James wrote:
> And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
>
> HJ
>
> Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
>
>> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it to
>> dry it rots faster then it dries,
>>
>
And if you get it to dry it still won't burn.
HJ
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
HJ
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it to
> dry it rots faster then it dries,
>
> Jon
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
>
>> Another "detail" to watch out for is plywood with fir or pine face
>>
> plies,
>
>> but "poplar" (cottonwood) inner plies. I recall the disgust of the
>>
> plywood
>
>> mill workers that'd stop on their way home after work at a tavern I
>>
> used
>
>> to frequent, when the mill started using cottonood cores. Even
>>
> these
>
>> unsophisticated "wood maggots," as the bartender and biker patrons
>>
> called
>
>> them, who'd never taken overly much pride in their work, were
>>
> appalled.
>
>> <sigh> If you think pine is rot-prone try cottonwood!
>>
>> Fortunately, for small, cheap boats that will be stored under cover
>>
> rot
>
>> resistance isn't terribly important.
>>
>> There's MDO and then there's MDO... The MDO that you might find at
>>
> Home
>
>> Despot or Lowe's is gonna be the lousy stuff. Try to find a real
>> lumberyard, where builders and contractors shop. They can probably
>>
> order
>
>> you good MDO, and they'll have better exterior plywood than HD on
>>
> hand.
>
>
Medium density overlay, plywood with a phenolic overlay usually for
signmaking or plywood concrete forms. The plywood is normally without
voids and has exterior glue. Basically the same quality as Marine
plywood. Good stuff if you want quality wood and you can get it.
http://www.olypanel.com/signMaking/
HJ
Hajo Smulders wrote:
signmaking or plywood concrete forms. The plywood is normally without
voids and has exterior glue. Basically the same quality as Marine
plywood. Good stuff if you want quality wood and you can get it.
http://www.olypanel.com/signMaking/
HJ
Hajo Smulders wrote:
> Maybe I'm an idiot here; but what the heck is MDO?
>
> Hajo
>
> On Dec 9, 2007 10:42 AM, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I forgot to say the sheathing was 3/8"MDO
>>
>>
>> Clyde Wisner wrote:
>>
>>
>>> MDO, best quality is called "signal" I think and is expensive. Remember
>>> that MDO is heavy. I don't know weight per sqft, but I used it to sheath
>>> my boat shed because I was just going to paint it and conveniently it
>>> came in 10ft lenghts. 8ft sections of 10 ft wall are all a friend and I
>>> wanted to lift or stand up. It made a pretty shed though. Could also be
>>> the "fat,dumb, and old" syndrome though. Clyde
>>>
>>> John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I love good quality MDO, but it is only available in 3/8" and 1/2"
>>>> thicknesses which somewhat limits its use on small boats.
>>>>
>>>> JohnT
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Peter Lenihan
>>>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
>>>>
>> b
>
But it makes pretty good fenceposts in spite of that -- plant a green
cottonwood fencepost and it grows into a tree! <g>
cottonwood fencepost and it grows into a tree! <g>
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:14:38 -0800, Jon wrote:
> Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it to
> dry it rots faster then it dries,
--
John <jkohnen@...>
A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.
<Robert A. Heinlein>
Got to love Cottonwood if you cut it for fire wood and stack it to
dry it rots faster then it dries,
Jon
dry it rots faster then it dries,
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
>
> Another "detail" to watch out for is plywood with fir or pine face
plies,
> but "poplar" (cottonwood) inner plies. I recall the disgust of the
plywood
> mill workers that'd stop on their way home after work at a tavern I
used
> to frequent, when the mill started using cottonood cores. Even
these
> unsophisticated "wood maggots," as the bartender and biker patrons
called
> them, who'd never taken overly much pride in their work, were
appalled.
> <sigh> If you think pine is rot-prone try cottonwood!
>
> Fortunately, for small, cheap boats that will be stored under cover
rot
> resistance isn't terribly important.
>
> There's MDO and then there's MDO... The MDO that you might find at
Home
> Despot or Lowe's is gonna be the lousy stuff. Try to find a real
> lumberyard, where builders and contractors shop. They can probably
order
> you good MDO, and they'll have better exterior plywood than HD on
hand.
> Oly Panel makes some good MDO:
>
>http://www.olypanel.com/
>
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:36:50 -0800, David G wrote:
>
> > Mike - It's very much a case of "the devil's in the details". Some
> > pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior
plywood.
> > Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much).
> > ...
> > To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that
the
> > sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.
> > Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
> > boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
> > fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
> >But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
inexpensive
> > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@...>
> One cat just leads to another. <Ernest Hemingway>
>
Another "detail" to watch out for is plywood with fir or pine face plies,
but "poplar" (cottonwood) inner plies. I recall the disgust of the plywood
mill workers that'd stop on their way home after work at a tavern I used
to frequent, when the mill started using cottonood cores. Even these
unsophisticated "wood maggots," as the bartender and biker patrons called
them, who'd never taken overly much pride in their work, were appalled.
<sigh> If you think pine is rot-prone try cottonwood!
Fortunately, for small, cheap boats that will be stored under cover rot
resistance isn't terribly important.
There's MDO and then there's MDO... The MDO that you might find at Home
Despot or Lowe's is gonna be the lousy stuff. Try to find a real
lumberyard, where builders and contractors shop. They can probably order
you good MDO, and they'll have better exterior plywood than HD on hand.
Oly Panel makes some good MDO:
http://www.olypanel.com/
but "poplar" (cottonwood) inner plies. I recall the disgust of the plywood
mill workers that'd stop on their way home after work at a tavern I used
to frequent, when the mill started using cottonood cores. Even these
unsophisticated "wood maggots," as the bartender and biker patrons called
them, who'd never taken overly much pride in their work, were appalled.
<sigh> If you think pine is rot-prone try cottonwood!
Fortunately, for small, cheap boats that will be stored under cover rot
resistance isn't terribly important.
There's MDO and then there's MDO... The MDO that you might find at Home
Despot or Lowe's is gonna be the lousy stuff. Try to find a real
lumberyard, where builders and contractors shop. They can probably order
you good MDO, and they'll have better exterior plywood than HD on hand.
Oly Panel makes some good MDO:
http://www.olypanel.com/
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:36:50 -0800, David G wrote:
> Mike - It's very much a case of "the devil's in the details". Some
> pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior plywood.
> Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much).
> ...
> To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that the
> sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.
> Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
> boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
> fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
>But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for inexpensive
> plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
--
John <jkohnen@...>
One cat just leads to another. <Ernest Hemingway>
Thx for the quick reply. Where does one get MDO?
Hajo
Hajo
On Dec 9, 2007 7:48 PM, Jon & Wanda(Tink) <windyjon@...> wrote:
> It is a plywood that was developed for sign making. Med. Dens. Overlay.
> It is a plywood made with more glue then marine and has a fiber
> covering glued on with the same glue. Workes great with epoxy and all
> paints.
>
> Jon
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "Hajo Smulders"
> <hajosmulders@...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm an idiot here; but what the heck is MDO?
> >
> > Hajo
>
>
>
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It is a plywood that was developed for sign making. Med. Dens. Overlay.
It is a plywood made with more glue then marine and has a fiber
covering glued on with the same glue. Workes great with epoxy and all
paints.
Jon
It is a plywood made with more glue then marine and has a fiber
covering glued on with the same glue. Workes great with epoxy and all
paints.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Hajo Smulders" <hajosmulders@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm an idiot here; but what the heck is MDO?
>
> Hajo
Maybe I'm an idiot here; but what the heck is MDO?
Hajo
Hajo
On Dec 9, 2007 10:42 AM, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
> I forgot to say the sheathing was 3/8"MDO
>
>
> Clyde Wisner wrote:
>
> > MDO, best quality is called "signal" I think and is expensive. Remember
> > that MDO is heavy. I don't know weight per sqft, but I used it to sheath
> > my boat shed because I was just going to paint it and conveniently it
> > came in 10ft lenghts. 8ft sections of 10 ft wall are all a friend and I
> > wanted to lift or stand up. It made a pretty shed though. Could also be
> > the "fat,dumb, and old" syndrome though. Clyde
> >
> > John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> >
> > > I love good quality MDO, but it is only available in 3/8" and 1/2"
> > > thicknesses which somewhat limits its use on small boats.
> > >
> > > JohnT
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Peter Lenihan
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:39 AM
> > > Subject: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
> > > > > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> > > > inexpensive
> > > > > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
> > > go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
> > > sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
> > > liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
> > > sight :-D
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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I forgot to say the sheathing was 3/8"MDO
Clyde Wisner wrote:
Clyde Wisner wrote:
> MDO, best quality is called "signal" I think and is expensive. Remember[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> that MDO is heavy. I don't know weight per sqft, but I used it to sheath
> my boat shed because I was just going to paint it and conveniently it
> came in 10ft lenghts. 8ft sections of 10 ft wall are all a friend and I
> wanted to lift or stand up. It made a pretty shed though. Could also be
> the "fat,dumb, and old" syndrome though. Clyde
>
> John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
>
> > I love good quality MDO, but it is only available in 3/8" and 1/2"
> > thicknesses which somewhat limits its use on small boats.
> >
> > JohnT
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter Lenihan
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:39 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
> > > > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> > > inexpensive
> > > > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
> > go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
> > sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
> > liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
> > sight :-D
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date:
> > 12/8/2007 11:59 AM
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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MDO, best quality is called "signal" I think and is expensive. Remember
that MDO is heavy. I don't know weight per sqft, but I used it to sheath
my boat shed because I was just going to paint it and conveniently it
came in 10ft lenghts. 8ft sections of 10 ft wall are all a friend and I
wanted to lift or stand up. It made a pretty shed though. Could also be
the "fat,dumb, and old" syndrome though. Clyde
John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
that MDO is heavy. I don't know weight per sqft, but I used it to sheath
my boat shed because I was just going to paint it and conveniently it
came in 10ft lenghts. 8ft sections of 10 ft wall are all a friend and I
wanted to lift or stand up. It made a pretty shed though. Could also be
the "fat,dumb, and old" syndrome though. Clyde
John and Kathy Trussell wrote:
> I love good quality MDO, but it is only available in 3/8" and 1/2"[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> thicknesses which somewhat limits its use on small boats.
>
> JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Lenihan
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:39 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
> > > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> > inexpensive
> > > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
> go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
> sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
> liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
> sight :-D
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date:
> 12/8/2007 11:59 AM
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
I love good quality MDO, but it is only available in 3/8" and 1/2" thicknesses which somewhat limits its use on small boats.
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: RE; PINE PLYWOOD
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
> > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> inexpensive
> > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
Hi Mike,
Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
sight :-D
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
sight :-D
> > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking forHi Mike,
> inexpensive
> > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
Hope you caught that "glimmer of hope" from David. I would even
go so far as to say it is much more then a glimmer.More like a rising-
sun-of-blinding-good-news-for-amateur-boat-builders. If you always
liked fir, you're gonna love MDO :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,long time addict of MDO for years now, with no help in
sight :-D
David has it pritty well covered. If you go in the Glen-L sight under
boat building materials there are a links with a lot of info on woods
and rot resistance. As far as any of the big gox or discount lumber
yards I find better quality and prices at the lumberyards the
builders use except for exotic woods.
Jon
boat building materials there are a links with a lot of info on woods
and rot resistance. As far as any of the big gox or discount lumber
yards I find better quality and prices at the lumberyards the
builders use except for exotic woods.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike - It's very much a case of "the devil's in the details". Some
> > pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior
plywood.
> > Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much). I've never
had
> > any luck tracking down exact information from HD. Their attitude -
> > clear up through the store manager - has leaned heavily on
the "here
> > it is, look it over & buy it or don't" approach. Even when I've
> gotten
> > someone to agree to check out some specifics and call me back...
the
> > call never comes.
> >
> > To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that
> the
> > sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.
> > Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
> > boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
> > fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
> >
> > But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> inexpensive
> > plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David Graybeal
> > Portland, OR
> >
> > "Nothing is as simple as we hope it will be" -- Jim Horning
> >
> > ****************
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi got a question conserning wood here.This morning while I was
> doing
> > > my usual tour of my local Home Depot I came accros PINE
> plywood...I had
> > > never seen the stuff before.. saw lots of fir ply and spruce
ply
> but I
> > > had never came accros pine plywood the stuff looked pretty good
> just a
> > > few knots and a couple of footballs in there, on the the ply it
> said
> > > exterior or waterproof something along these lines,and that
stuff
> felt
> > > particularly light compared to the fir ply Ive worked with
> before...
> > > has anyone ever come accros this stuff and could you give me
any
> info
> > > on it ..thanks Mike
> >
> Well I guess it pretty much sums it up from what I understaned if
its
> lighter than fir ply its not good stuff oh well guess you cant
always
> win better to find out now than to watch my boat rot in a coup[le3
of
> years like they always say buyer beware thanks for the prompt reply
> Mike
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
lighter than fir ply its not good stuff oh well guess you cant always
win better to find out now than to watch my boat rot in a coup[le3 of
years like they always say buyer beware thanks for the prompt reply
Mike
>gotten
> Mike - It's very much a case of "the devil's in the details". Some
> pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior plywood.
> Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much). I've never had
> any luck tracking down exact information from HD. Their attitude -
> clear up through the store manager - has leaned heavily on the "here
> it is, look it over & buy it or don't" approach. Even when I've
> someone to agree to check out some specifics and call me back... thethe
> call never comes.
>
> To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that
> sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.inexpensive
> Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
> boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
> fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
>
> But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for
> plywood. Have you checked out MDO?doing
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
>
> "Nothing is as simple as we hope it will be" -- Jim Horning
>
> ****************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi got a question conserning wood here.This morning while I was
> > my usual tour of my local Home Depot I came accros PINEplywood...I had
> > never seen the stuff before.. saw lots of fir ply and spruce plybut I
> > had never came accros pine plywood the stuff looked pretty goodjust a
> > few knots and a couple of footballs in there, on the the ply itsaid
> > exterior or waterproof something along these lines,and that stufffelt
> > particularly light compared to the fir ply Ive worked withbefore...
> > has anyone ever come accros this stuff and could you give me anyinfo
> > on it ..thanks MikeWell I guess it pretty much sums it up from what I understaned if its
>
lighter than fir ply its not good stuff oh well guess you cant always
win better to find out now than to watch my boat rot in a coup[le3 of
years like they always say buyer beware thanks for the prompt reply
Mike
Mike - It's very much a case of "the devil's in the details". Some
pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior plywood.
Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much). I've never had
any luck tracking down exact information from HD. Their attitude -
clear up through the store manager - has leaned heavily on the "here
it is, look it over & buy it or don't" approach. Even when I've gotten
someone to agree to check out some specifics and call me back... the
call never comes.
To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that the
sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.
Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for inexpensive
plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Nothing is as simple as we hope it will be" -- Jim Horning
****************
pines would make a very good veneer for marine or exterior plywood.
Some are about as rot-resistant as birch (not much). I've never had
any luck tracking down exact information from HD. Their attitude -
clear up through the store manager - has leaned heavily on the "here
it is, look it over & buy it or don't" approach. Even when I've gotten
someone to agree to check out some specifics and call me back... the
call never comes.
To hammer a final nail in the coffin of your hopes, the fact that the
sheets are lighter than the fir you're used to is not a good sign.
Most of the pines that would be good for your purpose (building a
boat, or outdoor/marine structure, I assume) are about as dense as
fir. The rot-prone pines tend to be less dense.
But wait, there's a glimmer of hope for those looking for inexpensive
plywood. Have you checked out MDO?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Nothing is as simple as we hope it will be" -- Jim Horning
****************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
>
> Hi got a question conserning wood here.This morning while I was doing
> my usual tour of my local Home Depot I came accros PINE plywood...I had
> never seen the stuff before.. saw lots of fir ply and spruce ply but I
> had never came accros pine plywood the stuff looked pretty good just a
> few knots and a couple of footballs in there, on the the ply it said
> exterior or waterproof something along these lines,and that stuff felt
> particularly light compared to the fir ply Ive worked with before...
> has anyone ever come accros this stuff and could you give me any info
> on it ..thanks Mike
Hi got a question conserning wood here.This morning while I was doing
my usual tour of my local Home Depot I came accros PINE plywood...I had
never seen the stuff before.. saw lots of fir ply and spruce ply but I
had never came accros pine plywood the stuff looked pretty good just a
few knots and a couple of footballs in there, on the the ply it said
exterior or waterproof something along these lines,and that stuff felt
particularly light compared to the fir ply Ive worked with before...
has anyone ever come accros this stuff and could you give me any info
on it ..thanks Mike
my usual tour of my local Home Depot I came accros PINE plywood...I had
never seen the stuff before.. saw lots of fir ply and spruce ply but I
had never came accros pine plywood the stuff looked pretty good just a
few knots and a couple of footballs in there, on the the ply it said
exterior or waterproof something along these lines,and that stuff felt
particularly light compared to the fir ply Ive worked with before...
has anyone ever come accros this stuff and could you give me any info
on it ..thanks Mike