Re: Lexan
Thanks to everyone who responded to my message. I will most likely
get the Mar resistant. I am still deciding on the tint. I did
substitute wood for the above deck & after deck area glass. this
should save me a little. I figured I could always add glass later if
I think I need and use the exsisting wood as a frame with smaller
and maybe thinner lexan pieces.
Bob I have been waiting to see new photos on your site. Thanks again
everyone.
get the Mar resistant. I am still deciding on the tint. I did
substitute wood for the above deck & after deck area glass. this
should save me a little. I figured I could always add glass later if
I think I need and use the exsisting wood as a frame with smaller
and maybe thinner lexan pieces.
Bob I have been waiting to see new photos on your site. Thanks again
everyone.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob larkin" <boblark@...> wrote:
>
> My experience with 1/4-inch polycarbonate was about the same as
> Doug's. Except, I bought 2 and 1/2 sheets, which fits BW2 with a
> couple of minor adjustments (plan it carefully!). I got it from a
> wholesale supply. They sold a half sheet at half of the full
sheet
> price.
>
> A couple of items to be aware of. For extra mney, they supply it
with
> a hard coating that is listed for some manufacturers as "Mar
> Resistant." This coating is claimed to have some extra UV
> resistance, but I have never sen any numbers (anyone have data?).
I
> went for this coating. Also, you need to decide tint/no-tint. I
ended
> up tinting only the top. But, I don't live in an area with the Sun
> intensity Doug has.
>
> Good luck, Don.
>
> Bob Larkin
> Corvallis, Oregon
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@> wrote:
> >
> > I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not
call
> it
> > cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick,
for
> > about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now.
> There
> > was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels,
if
> > needed.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ---
>
Careful here. Lexan (unless it has a special coating) is even more
susceptible to scratching than acrylic. The New York City subway system
found this out the hard way.
Covers, like the expensive ones people put on their aircraft canopies, work
back and forth in the wind. With the inevitable dust between the cover and
the plastic, it's just like sanding it. Soft linings just trap more dust.
Pretty soon, when the sun shines on it, you're trying to peer thru a
homebuilt fog bank.
If you can guy it out so it doesn't make contact with the plastic, then it's
a great idea.
Roger
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susceptible to scratching than acrylic. The New York City subway system
found this out the hard way.
Covers, like the expensive ones people put on their aircraft canopies, work
back and forth in the wind. With the inevitable dust between the cover and
the plastic, it's just like sanding it. Soft linings just trap more dust.
Pretty soon, when the sun shines on it, you're trying to peer thru a
homebuilt fog bank.
If you can guy it out so it doesn't make contact with the plastic, then it's
a great idea.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Pollard" <dougpol1@...>
> Make a canvas cover for it. It's got to help a lot.
> Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Stockstill
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
>
>
> My MR10 is about 5 years old, and the boat has been sitting outside
> in NC most of the time. The port side faces south. Now that you
> mention it, I do see some places where the two-faced automotive tape
> that I placed between the lexan and the painted exterior has let up a
> bit. The bolts continue to hold the lexan in place.
>
> I have not noticed any evidence of deterioration, but I'll keep an
> eye out since you say it might be coming.
>
> Thanks for the words of advice.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
>
> > You guys are convinced lexan is great stuff but if you look 3 years
> > down the road it is not as strong as plain old Plexiglas. If it is
> > tinted it not only absorbs ultraviolet but it holds it and
> > deteriorates even faster. In addition to that because it gets
> > hotter than clear it expands and contracts more and has a tendency
> > to break its seal and leak. Of course the plastics shops want to
> > sell it , it's more expensive and there is more profit in it.
> > Wolftrap with a decked over hull has windows 6 inches tall and 24
> > inches long ( four of them) they are in the sides of the hull and
> > are under water any time she is driven hard. The boat has been out
> > in the sunlight 27 years now and still has the original windows.
> > She has sailed 2000 miles out in the gulf stream all up and down
> > the US east coast. These years have been spent in Virginia and 2
> > years in Florida. Lexan will not last half that time and will
> > weaken in a third that time. I have worked tons of the stuff or
> > supervised the working and installation of it in all kinds of
> > environments and have never recommended Lexan for outdoor use. In
> > the last fifty years no one ever came back and told me I was wrong.
> > I may be wrong now but if so I have consistently been wrong for
> > all those years as well and I just don't believe that.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > -----
> > From: Mike Stockstill
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
> >
> >
> > My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
> > sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
> > sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
> > built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Derek Waters wrote:
> >
> > > Don,
> > > How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
> > >
> > > If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto
> > > window
> > > repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you
> > > an eight
> > > by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler.
> > > I paid
> > > about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap,
> > > perhaps, but
> > > a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely
> > > tough stuff,
> > > and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Derek
> > >
> > >
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Make a canvas cover for it. It's go to help a lot.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Stockstill
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
My MR10 is about 5 years old, and the boat has been sitting outside
in NC most of the time. The port side faces south. Now that you
mention it, I do see some places where the two-faced automotive tape
that I placed between the lexan and the painted exterior has let up a
bit. The bolts continue to hold the lexan in place.
I have not noticed any evidence of deterioration, but I'll keep an
eye out since you say it might be coming.
Thanks for the words of advice.
Mike
On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> You guys are convinced lexan is great stuff but if you look 3 years
> down the road it is not as strong as plain old Plexiglas. If it is
> tinted it not only absorbs ultraviolet but it holds it and
> deteriorates even faster. In addition to that because it gets
> hotter than clear it expands and contracts more and has a tendency
> to break its seal and leak. Of course the plastics shops want to
> sell it , it's more expensive and there is more profit in it.
> Wolftrap with a decked over hull has windows 6 inches tall and 24
> inches long ( four of them) they are in the sides of the hull and
> are under water any time she is driven hard. The boat has been out
> in the sunlight 27 years now and still has the original windows.
> She has sailed 2000 miles out in the gulf stream all up and down
> the US east coast. These years have been spent in Virginia and 2
> years in Florida. Lexan will not last half that time and will
> weaken in a third that time. I have worked tons of the stuff or
> supervised the working and installation of it in all kinds of
> environments and have never recommended Lexan for outdoor use. In
> the last fifty years no one ever came back and told me I was wrong.
> I may be wrong now but if so I have consistently been wrong for
> all those years as well and I just don't believe that.
> Doug
>
>
> -----
> From: Mike Stockstill
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
>
>
> My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
> sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
> sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
> built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
>
> Mike
>
> On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Derek Waters wrote:
>
> > Don,
> > How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
> >
> > If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto
> > window
> > repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you
> > an eight
> > by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler.
> > I paid
> > about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap,
> > perhaps, but
> > a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely
> > tough stuff,
> > and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
> >
> > cheers
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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My MR10 is about 5 years old, and the boat has been sitting outside
in NC most of the time. The port side faces south. Now that you
mention it, I do see some places where the two-faced automotive tape
that I placed between the lexan and the painted exterior has let up a
bit. The bolts continue to hold the lexan in place.
I have not noticed any evidence of deterioration, but I'll keep an
eye out since you say it might be coming.
Thanks for the words of advice.
Mike
in NC most of the time. The port side faces south. Now that you
mention it, I do see some places where the two-faced automotive tape
that I placed between the lexan and the painted exterior has let up a
bit. The bolts continue to hold the lexan in place.
I have not noticed any evidence of deterioration, but I'll keep an
eye out since you say it might be coming.
Thanks for the words of advice.
Mike
On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> You guys are convinced lexan is great stuff but if you look 3 years
> down the road it is not as strong as plain old Plexiglas. If it is
> tinted it not only absorbs ultraviolet but it holds it and
> deteriorates even faster. In addition to that because it gets
> hotter than clear it expands and contracts more and has a tendency
> to break its seal and leak. Of course the plastics shops want to
> sell it , it's more expensive and there is more profit in it.
> Wolftrap with a decked over hull has windows 6 inches tall and 24
> inches long ( four of them) they are in the sides of the hull and
> are under water any time she is driven hard. The boat has been out
> in the sunlight 27 years now and still has the original windows.
> She has sailed 2000 miles out in the gulf stream all up and down
> the US east coast. These years have been spent in Virginia and 2
> years in Florida. Lexan will not last half that time and will
> weaken in a third that time. I have worked tons of the stuff or
> supervised the working and installation of it in all kinds of
> environments and have never recommended Lexan for outdoor use. In
> the last fifty years no one ever came back and told me I was wrong.
> I may be wrong now but if so I have consistently been wrong for
> all those years as well and I just don't believe that.
> Doug
>
>
> -----
> From: Mike Stockstill
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
>
>
> My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
> sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
> sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
> built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
>
> Mike
>
> On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Derek Waters wrote:
>
> > Don,
> > How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
> >
> > If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto
> > window
> > repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you
> > an eight
> > by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler.
> > I paid
> > about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap,
> > perhaps, but
> > a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely
> > tough stuff,
> > and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
> >
> > cheers
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
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> > posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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You guys are convinced lexan is great stuff but if you look 3 years down the road it is not as strong as plain old Plexiglas. If it is tinted it not only absorbs ultraviolet but it holds it and deteriorates even faster. In addition to that because it gets hotter than clear it expands and contracts more and has a tendency to break its seal and leak. Of course the plastics shops want to sell it , it's more expensive and there is more profit in it. Wolftrap with a decked over hull has windows 6 inches tall and 24 inches long ( four of them) they are in the sides of the hull and are under water any time she is driven hard. The boat has been out in the sunlight 27 years now and still has the original windows. She has sailed 2000 miles out in the gulf stream all up and down the US east coast. These years have been spent in Virginia and 2 years in Florida. Lexan will not last half that time and will weaken in a third that time. I have worked tons of the stuff or supervised the working and installation of it in all kinds of environments and have never recommended Lexan for outdoor use. In the last fifty years no one ever came back and told me I was wrong.
I may be wrong now but if so I have consistently been wrong for all those years as well and I just don't believe that.
Doug
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
Mike
I may be wrong now but if so I have consistently been wrong for all those years as well and I just don't believe that.
Doug
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To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Lexan
My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
Mike
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Derek Waters wrote:
> Don,
> How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
>
> If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto
> window
> repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you
> an eight
> by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler.
> I paid
> about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap,
> perhaps, but
> a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely
> tough stuff,
> and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
>
> cheers
> Derek
>
>
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My Martha Jane revised took the better part of two 5x8 (or 5x9?)
sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
Mike
sheets of 1/4" MR10 -- lexan with a smoked tint to it. I bought 4
sheets and ended up selling the 2 remaining to a guy across town who
built a Birdwatcher. I would think that should have been plenty...
Mike
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Derek Waters wrote:
> Don,
> How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
>
> If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto
> window
> repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you
> an eight
> by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler.
> I paid
> about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap,
> perhaps, but
> a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely
> tough stuff,
> and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
>
> cheers
> Derek
>
>
>
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My experience with 1/4-inch polycarbonate was about the same as
Doug's. Except, I bought 2 and 1/2 sheets, which fits BW2 with a
couple of minor adjustments (plan it carefully!). I got it from a
wholesale supply. They sold a half sheet at half of the full sheet
price.
A couple of items to be aware of. For extra mney, they supply it with
a hard coating that is listed for some manufacturers as "Mar
Resistant." This coating is claimed to have some extra UV
resistance, but I have never sen any numbers (anyone have data?). I
went for this coating. Also, you need to decide tint/no-tint. I ended
up tinting only the top. But, I don't live in an area with the Sun
intensity Doug has.
Good luck, Don.
Bob Larkin
Corvallis, Oregon
Doug's. Except, I bought 2 and 1/2 sheets, which fits BW2 with a
couple of minor adjustments (plan it carefully!). I got it from a
wholesale supply. They sold a half sheet at half of the full sheet
price.
A couple of items to be aware of. For extra mney, they supply it with
a hard coating that is listed for some manufacturers as "Mar
Resistant." This coating is claimed to have some extra UV
resistance, but I have never sen any numbers (anyone have data?). I
went for this coating. Also, you need to decide tint/no-tint. I ended
up tinting only the top. But, I don't live in an area with the Sun
intensity Doug has.
Good luck, Don.
Bob Larkin
Corvallis, Oregon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@...> wrote:
>
> I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not call
it
> cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick, for
> about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now.
There
> was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels, if
> needed.
>
> Doug
>
> ---
They have both in the same area at my local HD.
Jon
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "willers32" <mwagner@...> wrote:
>
> My 2 cents on plexiglass:
>
> Please be aware that the plexiglass sold at Home Depot is NOT
> polycarbonate (lexan) but a much cheaper substitute (acrylic) that
is
> NOT shatter-resistant.
>
> I bought my polycarbonate from a glass shop. I questioned the owner
of
> the shop in detail and told him exactly what I intended to do with
the
> product and he recommended the polycarbonate type plexi. It is the
> generic form of the t.m. product "Lexan."
>
> Real polycarbonate is not that easy to cut. I had the shop cut all
my
> windows to spec. Then it was easy to install the pre-cut pieces.
>
> Don't try to skimp on this. In the BW design, the plexiglass is
> structural, using a cheaper subsitute will lead to disaster.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@>
wrote:
> >
> > Cheap no but they had it with the plexy glass at Home depot here
up
> > to 3/16ths.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not
call
> > it
> > > cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick,
for
> > > about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices
now.
> > There
> > > was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels,
if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello to all.
> > > > I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links
> > area) and
> > > > now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I
was
> > > > wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
> > > >
> > > > thanks from sunny Florida,
> > > >
> > > > Don :)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
My experience with both acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) is
that Lexan is far easier to work. If you leave scratches on Plexi you will
get a stress crack eventually, either as crazing or as fracturing. Polish
the edge. If you use a conventional cutting tool; e.g. a standard drill bit
on Plexi, it will dig in and shatter the plastic. Use scraping action
tools; e.g. spade bits or backwards hacksaw bits.
Both will melt if overheated. Cut slowly.
I had a safety enclosure at work that needed an access hole NOW. I took a
soldering gun, plunged it thru the Lexan, and then melted my way around the
desired perimeter. Some work with a standard file cleaned up the edges. I
wouldn't have tried it with Plexi.
Lexan can be bent in a sheet metal brake or hammered to shape over a form.
Plexi can't.
Roger
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that Lexan is far easier to work. If you leave scratches on Plexi you will
get a stress crack eventually, either as crazing or as fracturing. Polish
the edge. If you use a conventional cutting tool; e.g. a standard drill bit
on Plexi, it will dig in and shatter the plastic. Use scraping action
tools; e.g. spade bits or backwards hacksaw bits.
Both will melt if overheated. Cut slowly.
I had a safety enclosure at work that needed an access hole NOW. I took a
soldering gun, plunged it thru the Lexan, and then melted my way around the
desired perimeter. Some work with a standard file cleaned up the edges. I
wouldn't have tried it with Plexi.
Lexan can be bent in a sheet metal brake or hammered to shape over a form.
Plexi can't.
Roger
derbyrm@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "willers32" <mwagner@...>
> My 2 cents on plexiglass:
>
> Please be aware that the plexiglass sold at Home Depot is NOT
> polycarbonate (lexan) but a much cheaper substitute (acrylic) that is
> NOT shatter-resistant.
>
> I bought my polycarbonate from a glass shop. I questioned the owner of
> the shop in detail and told him exactly what I intended to do with the
> product and he recommended the polycarbonate type plexi. It is the
> generic form of the t.m. product "Lexan."
>
> Real polycarbonate is not that easy to cut. I had the shop cut all my
> windows to spec. Then it was easy to install the pre-cut pieces.
>
> Don't try to skimp on this. In the BW design, the plexiglass is
> structural, using a cheaper subsitute will lead to disaster.
>
My 2 cents on plexiglass:
Please be aware that the plexiglass sold at Home Depot is NOT
polycarbonate (lexan) but a much cheaper substitute (acrylic) that is
NOT shatter-resistant.
I bought my polycarbonate from a glass shop. I questioned the owner of
the shop in detail and told him exactly what I intended to do with the
product and he recommended the polycarbonate type plexi. It is the
generic form of the t.m. product "Lexan."
Real polycarbonate is not that easy to cut. I had the shop cut all my
windows to spec. Then it was easy to install the pre-cut pieces.
Don't try to skimp on this. In the BW design, the plexiglass is
structural, using a cheaper subsitute will lead to disaster.
Please be aware that the plexiglass sold at Home Depot is NOT
polycarbonate (lexan) but a much cheaper substitute (acrylic) that is
NOT shatter-resistant.
I bought my polycarbonate from a glass shop. I questioned the owner of
the shop in detail and told him exactly what I intended to do with the
product and he recommended the polycarbonate type plexi. It is the
generic form of the t.m. product "Lexan."
Real polycarbonate is not that easy to cut. I had the shop cut all my
windows to spec. Then it was easy to install the pre-cut pieces.
Don't try to skimp on this. In the BW design, the plexiglass is
structural, using a cheaper subsitute will lead to disaster.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> Cheap no but they had it with the plexy glass at Home depot here up
> to 3/16ths.
>
> Jon
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@> wrote:
> >
> > I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not call
> it
> > cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick, for
> > about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now.
> There
> > was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels, if
> > needed.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello to all.
> > > I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links
> area) and
> > > now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
> > > wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
> > >
> > > thanks from sunny Florida,
> > >
> > > Don :)
> > >
> >
>
I learned the hard way, some years ago, that the lexan I used for
windows, was UV protected on one side only. Those that I made "wrong
side out", fogged in sun light. Perhaps this is not true in modern times
but it wouldn't hurt to ask about UV protection. Clyde
Bob Chamberland wrote:
windows, was UV protected on one side only. Those that I made "wrong
side out", fogged in sun light. Perhaps this is not true in modern times
but it wouldn't hurt to ask about UV protection. Clyde
Bob Chamberland wrote:
>-Hi Don, Lexan is not cheap. Be aware that Lexan comes in different[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>forms for different applications. Some is more scratch resistant etc.
>different forms have different prices. Go to your local library,
>architect or engineers office and look for it in the Sweets catalog.
>Lexan is made by GE and they can tell you who they supply and you want
>to find out who those people supply to find a source for cutoffs or
>retail. My mfg spec sheet is too old to quote out of but Sweets will
>have it.
>Bob Chamberland
>
>-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello to all.
>>I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
>>now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
>>wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
>>
>>thanks from sunny Florida,
>>
>>Don :)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-Hi Don, Lexan is not cheap. Be aware that Lexan comes in different
forms for different applications. Some is more scratch resistant etc.
different forms have different prices. Go to your local library,
architect or engineers office and look for it in the Sweets catalog.
Lexan is made by GE and they can tell you who they supply and you want
to find out who those people supply to find a source for cutoffs or
retail. My mfg spec sheet is too old to quote out of but Sweets will
have it.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@...> wrote:
forms for different applications. Some is more scratch resistant etc.
different forms have different prices. Go to your local library,
architect or engineers office and look for it in the Sweets catalog.
Lexan is made by GE and they can tell you who they supply and you want
to find out who those people supply to find a source for cutoffs or
retail. My mfg spec sheet is too old to quote out of but Sweets will
have it.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all.
> I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
> now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
> wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
>
> thanks from sunny Florida,
>
> Don :)
>
Don,
How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto window
repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you an eight
by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler. I paid
about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap, perhaps, but
a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely tough stuff,
and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
cheers
Derek
How many sheets does BW!! require? of what gauge?
If you are on [or can get on] friendly terms with your local auto window
repair place then you may [as I did] find them willing to grab you an eight
by four sheet [or three] the next time they are at the wholesaler. I paid
about a hundred Canadian for a full sheet last year. Not cheap, perhaps, but
a fraction of what was being asked elsewhere. Lexan is insanely tough stuff,
and you can probably use a pretty light gauge.
cheers
Derek
Cheap no but they had it with the plexy glass at Home depot here up
to 3/16ths.
Jon
to 3/16ths.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "oarmandt" <oarman89@...> wrote:
>
> I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not call
it
> cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick, for
> about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now.
There
> was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels, if
> needed.
>
> Doug
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello to all.
> > I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links
area) and
> > now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
> > wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
> >
> > thanks from sunny Florida,
> >
> > Don :)
> >
>
I bought mine from Hughes Supply in Lakeland, FL. I could not call it
cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick, for
about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now. There
was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels, if
needed.
Doug
cheap though. Three sheets, 4'x8', lightly tinted, 1/4" thick, for
about $500. This was pre-Katrina, so expect higher prices now. There
was enough left over to recover from mistakes on 1 or 2 panels, if
needed.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <centeredki69@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all.
> I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
> now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
> wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
>
> thanks from sunny Florida,
>
> Don :)
>
Frightening isn't it? I got the pieces I need for the Chebacco front
windows from e-bay. People sell cut-offs.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
windows from e-bay. People sell cut-offs.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <centeredki69@...>
> Hello to all.
> I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
> now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
> wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
Hello to all.
I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
thanks from sunny Florida,
Don :)
I am building a birdwatcher-2,(backyard Birdwatcher in links area) and
now it is almost time for the Polycarbinate ( lexan glass ).I was
wondering if anyone knows where to find some cheap.
thanks from sunny Florida,
Don :)
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Mike Stockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
Lexan, although not in large sheets.
Here's a related question. I need some Lexan for the windows on my
boat and noticed that Lucite has brought out an extra-strong acrylic,
advertised as 100 times the strength of glass. It's only 3/32 inch
thick. Here's the question, would this be an acceptable substitute
for
1/4-inch Lexan? I suspect not, but the price is quite a bit lower and
enough to make me ask....
Gary Blankenship
Tallahassee, FL
> Hi boat fans -It seems to be a hit or miss thing, but the local Home Depot has
>
> Is there a good mail-order place to purchase lexan?
>
> I'm in Raleigh, NC.
>
Lexan, although not in large sheets.
Here's a related question. I need some Lexan for the windows on my
boat and noticed that Lucite has brought out an extra-strong acrylic,
advertised as 100 times the strength of glass. It's only 3/32 inch
thick. Here's the question, would this be an acceptable substitute
for
1/4-inch Lexan? I suspect not, but the price is quite a bit lower and
enough to make me ask....
Gary Blankenship
Tallahassee, FL
Hi boat fans -
Is there a good mail-order place to purchase lexan?
I'm in Raleigh, NC.
Thanks.
Mike
Is there a good mail-order place to purchase lexan?
I'm in Raleigh, NC.
Thanks.
Mike