Re: [bolger] Re: Is there an online site where one can buy the larger Bolger designs
On Jan 15, 2008 9:38 PM, c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n <DAVE.PEAK@...> wrote:
http://www.instantboats.com/pricetxt.html
>Payson sells plans for the Folding Schooner, a real bargain at $45.
>
> Cheers Clyde....do you have URL for that cartoon site....Google
> dodn't give me any leads
>
> Basically looking for the 31' Folding schooner....
http://www.instantboats.com/pricetxt.html
You will definitely want to check out Tim Fatchen's Light Schooner site,
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/INDEX.HTM
Patrick
c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n wrote:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/INDEX.HTM
Patrick
c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n wrote:
> Cheers Clyde....do you have URL for that cartoon site....Google
> dodn't give me any leads
>
> Basically looking for the 31' Folding schooner....but interested in
> anything new....have been away from Bolger designs since about '87....
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n" <DAVE.PEAK@...>
wrote:
wrote:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
> Cheers Clyde....do you have URL for that cartoon site
Cheers Clyde....do you have URL for that cartoon site....Google
dodn't give me any leads
Basically looking for the 31' Folding schooner....but interested in
anything new....have been away from Bolger designs since about '87....
dodn't give me any leads
Basically looking for the 31' Folding schooner....but interested in
anything new....have been away from Bolger designs since about '87....
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
>
> You could at least look at a lot of them at Greg's "BolgerCartoon"
site,
> but you must order from PCB & Friends. Clyde
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > On Jan 15, 2008 4:41 AM, c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n <DAVE.PEAK@...
> > <mailto:DAVE.PEAK%40ubs.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know of Dynamites site but I'm talking about the 30' plus
boats
> >
> > Use have to use snail mail: Philip C. Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box
1209,
> > Gloucester, MA, 01930 Send them a letter describing what you want
the
> > boat to do. They typically respond with a handwritten letter by
PCB
> > and/or a phone call from Susanne Altenburger.
> >
> > Considering that the large boats take a year+ to build, you
cannot be
> > in that much of a hurry.
> >
> > If you are looking for a online catalogue of the big designs,
that is
> > tougher. All that is really available is the one Bolger book 'in
> > print', and several out of print books. Actually, by far, the best
> > source for info about Bolger boats, is their biweekly article in
the
> > magazine _Messing About In Boats_.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Cheers Bruce.....could take me a year+ to write a snail mail
letter.....
Can't remember which year I last did that!
So tedious....writing....buying envelope.....writing
envelope.....going to post office (for stamps and mailing).....going
home...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
letter.....
Can't remember which year I last did that!
So tedious....writing....buying envelope.....writing
envelope.....going to post office (for stamps and mailing).....going
home...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 4:41 AM, c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n <DAVE.PEAK@...> wrote:
> >
> > I know of Dynamites site but I'm talking about the 30' plus boats
>
> Use have to use snail mail: Philip C. Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box
1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930 Send them a letter describing what you want
the
> boat to do. They typically respond with a handwritten letter by PCB
> and/or a phone call from Susanne Altenburger.
>
> Considering that the large boats take a year+ to build, you cannot
be
> in that much of a hurry.
>
> If you are looking for a online catalogue of the big designs, that
is
> tougher. All that is really available is the one Bolger book 'in
> print', and several out of print books. Actually, by far, the best
> source for info about Bolger boats, is their biweekly article in the
> magazine _Messing About In Boats_.
>
It was a Michalak johnboat, as I recall, Mike also posted on that
site, and got pretty much the same answers. Sharp eyes. I recently got
some plans for a Michalak AF3 16' sailboat, and the butt joint runs
from the chine up about 3-4 feet to the top of the cabin, in 1/4" ply,
and then there is another one up near the nose. I just assumed they
were ply joints, but in fact the plans call for "3/4" by 3.5" board or
equivalent" for the butt block. On first look, it would seem like you
would be in danger of splitting the joint, but in fact there is a
beefy chine log, a second beefy sort of false gunnel, and then a third
strip to land and reinforce the top of the cabin, so in practice,
there would be plenty of reinforcement for this joint and so there
shouldn't be a problem in terms of splitting the block along its
grain. But ply would certainly be stronger. I don't know why Michalak
did it that way. Maybe there just isn't enough scrap left over from
the bottom to cut the six butt blocks in the 1/2" ply left over from
the bottom, and he figured it was strong enough when finished and that
it would just be cheaper to buy a couple of pine boards.
It is not at all like the old-style butt blocks on caravel hulls, for
instance, that provide all the strength for the joint and are under
stress, so the grain has to run lengthwise.
Cheers, Brian
site, and got pretty much the same answers. Sharp eyes. I recently got
some plans for a Michalak AF3 16' sailboat, and the butt joint runs
from the chine up about 3-4 feet to the top of the cabin, in 1/4" ply,
and then there is another one up near the nose. I just assumed they
were ply joints, but in fact the plans call for "3/4" by 3.5" board or
equivalent" for the butt block. On first look, it would seem like you
would be in danger of splitting the joint, but in fact there is a
beefy chine log, a second beefy sort of false gunnel, and then a third
strip to land and reinforce the top of the cabin, so in practice,
there would be plenty of reinforcement for this joint and so there
shouldn't be a problem in terms of splitting the block along its
grain. But ply would certainly be stronger. I don't know why Michalak
did it that way. Maybe there just isn't enough scrap left over from
the bottom to cut the six butt blocks in the 1/2" ply left over from
the bottom, and he figured it was strong enough when finished and that
it would just be cheaper to buy a couple of pine boards.
It is not at all like the old-style butt blocks on caravel hulls, for
instance, that provide all the strength for the joint and are under
stress, so the grain has to run lengthwise.
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think I have ever seen anything but plywood shown. Out of
> curiosity who is the designer that is showing something different than
> plywood?
>
> HJ
>
> mike wrote:
> > In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers
call
> > for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
> > if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
You could at least look at a lot of them at Greg's "BolgerCartoon" site,
but you must order from PCB & Friends. Clyde
Bruce Hallman wrote:
but you must order from PCB & Friends. Clyde
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2008 4:41 AM, c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n <DAVE.PEAK@...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> <mailto:DAVE.PEAK%40ubs.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I know of Dynamites site but I'm talking about the 30' plus boats
>
> Use have to use snail mail: Philip C. Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930 Send them a letter describing what you want the
> boat to do. They typically respond with a handwritten letter by PCB
> and/or a phone call from Susanne Altenburger.
>
> Considering that the large boats take a year+ to build, you cannot be
> in that much of a hurry.
>
> If you are looking for a online catalogue of the big designs, that is
> tougher. All that is really available is the one Bolger book 'in
> print', and several out of print books. Actually, by far, the best
> source for info about Bolger boats, is their biweekly article in the
> magazine _Messing About In Boats_.
>
>
On Jan 15, 2008 4:41 AM, c_a_p_t_a_i_n_r_o_n <DAVE.PEAK@...> wrote:
Gloucester, MA, 01930 Send them a letter describing what you want the
boat to do. They typically respond with a handwritten letter by PCB
and/or a phone call from Susanne Altenburger.
Considering that the large boats take a year+ to build, you cannot be
in that much of a hurry.
If you are looking for a online catalogue of the big designs, that is
tougher. All that is really available is the one Bolger book 'in
print', and several out of print books. Actually, by far, the best
source for info about Bolger boats, is their biweekly article in the
magazine _Messing About In Boats_.
>Use have to use snail mail: Philip C. Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209,
> I know of Dynamites site but I'm talking about the 30' plus boats
Gloucester, MA, 01930 Send them a letter describing what you want the
boat to do. They typically respond with a handwritten letter by PCB
and/or a phone call from Susanne Altenburger.
Considering that the large boats take a year+ to build, you cannot be
in that much of a hurry.
If you are looking for a online catalogue of the big designs, that is
tougher. All that is really available is the one Bolger book 'in
print', and several out of print books. Actually, by far, the best
source for info about Bolger boats, is their biweekly article in the
magazine _Messing About In Boats_.
I know of Dynamites site but I'm talking about the 30' plus boats
Common for free old plans and boat building books from libraries to
have plank on frame construction where Butt Blocks are solid wood
some old PM books also did it with solid stock on ply boats. The term
did come from plank on frame boats so for a newbe it is easy to not
know the newer better ways to do things..Smart question to aske for
some one starting into boat building and there are a lot of them in
this group.
Jon
have plank on frame construction where Butt Blocks are solid wood
some old PM books also did it with solid stock on ply boats. The term
did come from plank on frame boats so for a newbe it is easy to not
know the newer better ways to do things..Smart question to aske for
some one starting into boat building and there are a lot of them in
this group.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think I have ever seen anything but plywood shown. Out of
> curiosity who is the designer that is showing something different
than
> plywood?
>
> HJ
>
> mike wrote:
> > In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers
call
> > for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just
wondering
> > if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>than
> I don't think I have ever seen anything but plywood shown. Out of
> curiosity who is the designer that is showing something different
> plywood?call
>
> HJ
>
> mike wrote:
> > In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers
> > for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? justwondering
> > if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
> >
> >
> >J.Michalack in JonBoat Junior
> >
>
I bevel all 4 edges to about 45 degrees which keeps them from
interferring with each other at chines and make it easier to fiberglass
over them. Clyde
dnjost wrote:
interferring with each other at chines and make it easier to fiberglass
over them. Clyde
dnjost wrote:
> In most of Bolger's plans, he indicates where to cut the butt blocks on[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> the plywood use sheet. I never had any issues with the ply blocks. I
> always pre-drilled and used my supply of copper nails from Strawberry
> Banke in Portsmouth, NH. A bag or two of these will last for several
> boats.
>
> I would bevel the top part of the block a little to discourage dirt and
> water from standing on it over long periods of time. I did have some
> rot start just above the butt blocks on the Diablo, mostly from
> neglect.
>
> So many boats, so little time.
>
> David Jost
>
>
I don't think I have ever seen anything but plywood shown. Out of
curiosity who is the designer that is showing something different than
plywood?
HJ
mike wrote:
curiosity who is the designer that is showing something different than
plywood?
HJ
mike wrote:
> In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers call
> for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
> if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
>
>
>
>
In most of Bolger's plans, he indicates where to cut the butt blocks on
the plywood use sheet. I never had any issues with the ply blocks. I
always pre-drilled and used my supply of copper nails from Strawberry
Banke in Portsmouth, NH. A bag or two of these will last for several
boats.
I would bevel the top part of the block a little to discourage dirt and
water from standing on it over long periods of time. I did have some
rot start just above the butt blocks on the Diablo, mostly from
neglect.
So many boats, so little time.
David Jost
the plywood use sheet. I never had any issues with the ply blocks. I
always pre-drilled and used my supply of copper nails from Strawberry
Banke in Portsmouth, NH. A bag or two of these will last for several
boats.
I would bevel the top part of the block a little to discourage dirt and
water from standing on it over long periods of time. I did have some
rot start just above the butt blocks on the Diablo, mostly from
neglect.
So many boats, so little time.
David Jost
Mike my Dad has always used plywood for butt joint and out of all the boats he built I don't know of one braking.
On some designs they use a wood plank for the butt joint and a fair number of times it's on a frame or a hull batten.
If the joint is in the middle of the frames I would use plywood.
The couple of boats I built growing up were made with ACX ply and I used ply butt joints. One johnboat I made is still being used by the grandkids of the gentleman that wanted it when I moved to Seattle in 83. The last time I saw it it was a bright pink, and that was two years ago.
Blessings all
Krissie
mike <mikearedmond@...> wrote: In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers call
for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
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On some designs they use a wood plank for the butt joint and a fair number of times it's on a frame or a hull batten.
If the joint is in the middle of the frames I would use plywood.
The couple of boats I built growing up were made with ACX ply and I used ply butt joints. One johnboat I made is still being used by the grandkids of the gentleman that wanted it when I moved to Seattle in 83. The last time I saw it it was a bright pink, and that was two years ago.
Blessings all
Krissie
mike <mikearedmond@...> wrote: In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers call
for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
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Most plans I have looked at call for plywood for butt blocks. If one
were to use solid wood, make sure that the grain runs across the joint,
otherwise it would be likely to split if the joint is stresed.
I prefer the fiberglass butt joints to either of the above. It's
simple and very strong
Paul H.
were to use solid wood, make sure that the grain runs across the joint,
otherwise it would be likely to split if the joint is stresed.
I prefer the fiberglass butt joints to either of the above. It's
simple and very strong
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikearedmond@...> wrote:
>
> In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers
call
> for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
> if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
>
In quite a few boat plans when theres a butt joint, the designers call
for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
if I am right or wrong here?....Mike
for a board,,,,wouldnt a piece of plywood be stronger? just wondering
if I am right or wrong here?....Mike