Re: Silicon bronze ring nails
FYI - here is the link.
http://www.clenchnails.org/clenchnails_catalogs.htm
I bought my first three bags about twenty years ago for around $8 per
bag. $27 US now!!!
David Jost
http://www.clenchnails.org/clenchnails_catalogs.htm
I bought my first three bags about twenty years ago for around $8 per
bag. $27 US now!!!
David Jost
This is how I did the bottom of my Micro. Pre-drilling does the trick
to get the two pieces to fit flush with one another.
I still vote for copper clench nails for this purpose...on boats to be
painted. The nails from Strawberry Banke have a flat head that is easy
to counter sink, or sand flush. The nail points that are clenched over
inside are easily sanded of nipped to leave a relatively clean
interior. It is a two man job on large pieces of ply however.
David Jost
to get the two pieces to fit flush with one another.
I still vote for copper clench nails for this purpose...on boats to be
painted. The nails from Strawberry Banke have a flat head that is easy
to counter sink, or sand flush. The nail points that are clenched over
inside are easily sanded of nipped to leave a relatively clean
interior. It is a two man job on large pieces of ply however.
David Jost
I have used staples on a row boat. I epoxy coated over the tops, to
keep them from backing out.
Concern has been raised about staples backing out on power boats or
any hull subject to vibration and flexing.
Has any one had success on power boat construction?
Thansk,
Sloppy
keep them from backing out.
Concern has been raised about staples backing out on power boats or
any hull subject to vibration and flexing.
Has any one had success on power boat construction?
Thansk,
Sloppy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> I have been using them lately. With a stapler and PL premium in a
> caulking gun you can build and Instant Boat almost ----um---
instantly.
>
> HJ
>
> Kristine Bennett wrote:
> > I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and
found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch
crown air staplers.
> >
> > I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My
little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the
nailer.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> >
> >
> > "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...>
wrote: Estimado Maximo,
> >
> > The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has
gone
> > through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank
nails
> > locally, the best price I've found on the various New England
sites (I
> > looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine
Supply
> > in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a
quote. He
> > ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
> >
> > www.mertons.com
> >
> > Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I
live
> > nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a
one-man
> > operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners
galore.
> > And one busy guy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
My most recent project was a small plywood travel trailer or caravan.
In several areas, instead of using ring-nails or screws I used pan-
head self-tapping screws. Using a battery-powered driver they'll go
into ply or soft wood without needing pilot holes.
They can be backed out easily until the epoxy glue is completely cured
(24 hours?) and after that can be removed by first holding a hot
soldering iron to the screw-head to soften the glue.
They would be ideal when fitting a plywood buttstrap in situ. For this
I'd first drill oversize holes in the ply skin so that the screw will
pull the buttstrap up tight to the ply skin. Use epoxy filler for
screw holes.
This procedure is economical because the screws can be used over and
over; and it's hardly any more time-consuming than using ring-nails,
which I've found are often hard to drive without them bending.
Howard
In several areas, instead of using ring-nails or screws I used pan-
head self-tapping screws. Using a battery-powered driver they'll go
into ply or soft wood without needing pilot holes.
They can be backed out easily until the epoxy glue is completely cured
(24 hours?) and after that can be removed by first holding a hot
soldering iron to the screw-head to soften the glue.
They would be ideal when fitting a plywood buttstrap in situ. For this
I'd first drill oversize holes in the ply skin so that the screw will
pull the buttstrap up tight to the ply skin. Use epoxy filler for
screw holes.
This procedure is economical because the screws can be used over and
over; and it's hardly any more time-consuming than using ring-nails,
which I've found are often hard to drive without them bending.
Howard
Most all gun nails are electoplated galvinized and will rust. Square
shank nails are also made for decks but normaly have a small head so
hold plywood poorly and are harder to find with decks going plastic
and the treated lumbers new chemistry more acidic.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
shank nails are also made for decks but normaly have a small head so
hold plywood poorly and are harder to find with decks going plastic
and the treated lumbers new chemistry more acidic.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>of
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Doug Pollard <Dougpol1@> wrote:
>
> > ..Now here is a way to do that but it has to be invented, Insted
> > staple use nails that are corkscrew in shape Since they could bea
> > drop forged in on hit they should be cheap as dirt, A stapeler
> > like a gun with rifleing in the barrel and The barrel would be
> > coil of wire with a magnet for the hammer...galvanised
>
> There's a kind of corkscrew (more like twisted square shank)
> nail for fastening sheet roofing in high wind zones. These havethe
> integral metal caps with an O-ring and are too large, but are along
> lines you want. I'm pretty sure there is no gun for them - but whoflat
> knows?. In smaller size, without the added bits, maybe with a thin
> twisted shank, they should be as cheap as small clouts at least.too...
> Without the added bits they should be able to be driven by a gun
>
> Graeme
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Doug Pollard <Dougpol1@...> wrote:
nail for fastening sheet roofing in high wind zones. These have
integral metal caps with an O-ring and are too large, but are along the
lines you want. I'm pretty sure there is no gun for them - but who
knows?. In smaller size, without the added bits, maybe with a thin flat
twisted shank, they should be as cheap as small clouts at least.
Without the added bits they should be able to be driven by a gun too...
Graeme
> ..Now here is a way to do that but it has to be invented, Insted ofThere's a kind of corkscrew (more like twisted square shank) galvanised
> staple use nails that are corkscrew in shape Since they could be
> drop forged in on hit they should be cheap as dirt, A stapeler
> like a gun with rifleing in the barrel and The barrel would be a
> coil of wire with a magnet for the hammer...
nail for fastening sheet roofing in high wind zones. These have
integral metal caps with an O-ring and are too large, but are along the
lines you want. I'm pretty sure there is no gun for them - but who
knows?. In smaller size, without the added bits, maybe with a thin flat
twisted shank, they should be as cheap as small clouts at least.
Without the added bits they should be able to be driven by a gun too...
Graeme
I have built both ways, frame and plywood is faster than stitch and
glue. It looks harder and more daunting.
HJ
--snip--
glue. It looks harder and more daunting.
HJ
--snip--
> Seems to me that using
> staples on a boat with frames stringers and chines might be a quicker
> build that stitch and glue and likely stronger. I've never built a
> stitch and glue boat so I am talking from a position of ignorance. I
> would think that clamps would not be enough to pull plywood into place
> all over so some screws would be needed. Now if someone could figure
> out how to make a staple pull a sheet of plywood in the whole idea would
> be the cats whiskers.
>
>
I rebuilt an old plywood house boat about five years ago.. Boy, did
I gain a lot of respect for staples. Them things really hold if they
are long enough. AS cheap as they are and as fast as they install you
can put a jillion of them in. It would probobly easyier to throw the
boat away if it needed extensive repair . There is one drawback as far
as I can see. You will be comming close to building a throw away boat
no matter how good a boat it is. It will be easyier to build a new
boat by the same method than repair the old. Seems to me that using
staples on a boat with frames stringers and chines might be a quicker
build that stitch and glue and likely stronger. I've never built a
stitch and glue boat so I am talking from a position of ignorance. I
would think that clamps would not be enough to pull plywood into place
all over so some screws would be needed. Now if someone could figure
out how to make a staple pull a sheet of plywood in the whole idea would
be the cats whiskers.
Now here is a way to do that but it has to be invented, Insted of
staple use nails that are corkscrew in shape Since they could be drop
forged in on hit they should be cheap as dirt, A stapeler like a gun
with rifleing in the barrel and The barrel would be a coil of wire
with a magnet for the hammer. It would drive forward under a shot of
electricity and the riffleing would spin the magnet and the screw nail.
shooting it in and turning at the same time. Even better the srews could
be feed in as a wire on a reel and the screw shape added as the wire is
pushed forward through a die. The thing would look a lot like a wire
feed welder with a spool of wire on the back end. Sorry for gettin off
topic with this, my mind wonders!!
Doug
freedomseeker25 wrote:
I gain a lot of respect for staples. Them things really hold if they
are long enough. AS cheap as they are and as fast as they install you
can put a jillion of them in. It would probobly easyier to throw the
boat away if it needed extensive repair . There is one drawback as far
as I can see. You will be comming close to building a throw away boat
no matter how good a boat it is. It will be easyier to build a new
boat by the same method than repair the old. Seems to me that using
staples on a boat with frames stringers and chines might be a quicker
build that stitch and glue and likely stronger. I've never built a
stitch and glue boat so I am talking from a position of ignorance. I
would think that clamps would not be enough to pull plywood into place
all over so some screws would be needed. Now if someone could figure
out how to make a staple pull a sheet of plywood in the whole idea would
be the cats whiskers.
Now here is a way to do that but it has to be invented, Insted of
staple use nails that are corkscrew in shape Since they could be drop
forged in on hit they should be cheap as dirt, A stapeler like a gun
with rifleing in the barrel and The barrel would be a coil of wire
with a magnet for the hammer. It would drive forward under a shot of
electricity and the riffleing would spin the magnet and the screw nail.
shooting it in and turning at the same time. Even better the srews could
be feed in as a wire on a reel and the screw shape added as the wire is
pushed forward through a die. The thing would look a lot like a wire
feed welder with a spool of wire on the back end. Sorry for gettin off
topic with this, my mind wonders!!
Doug
freedomseeker25 wrote:
>
> -I was thinking of using staples on the piccup sq. I am building but
> could not find any with rings or barbs. Straight shank staples just
> pull out to easy .
>
> Greg
>
> -- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
> >
> > I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and
> found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch
> crown air staplers.
> >
> > I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My
> little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the nailer.
> >
> > Blessings Krissie
> >
> >
> > "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote:
> Estimado Maximo,
> >
> > The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
> > through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
> > locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
> > looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine
> Supply
> > in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
> > ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
> >
> > www.mertons.com
> >
> > Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
> > nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a
> one-man
> > operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners
> galore.
> > And one busy guy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> I was thinking of using staples on theMy straight shank staples don't pull out easily, I often have to destroy
> piccup sq. I am building but could not
> find any with rings or barbs. Straight
> shank staples just pull out to easy.
the wood to get them out. Even then, my pliers don't always extract
them.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
I have been using them lately. With a stapler and PL premium in a
caulking gun you can build and Instant Boat almost ----um---instantly.
HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
caulking gun you can build and Instant Boat almost ----um---instantly.
HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch crown air staplers.
>
> I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the nailer.
>
> Blessings Krissie
>
>
> "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote: Estimado Maximo,
>
> The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
> through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
> locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
> looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine Supply
> in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
> ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
>
> www.mertons.com
>
> Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
> nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a one-man
> operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners galore.
> And one busy guy.
>
>
>
>
>
I use a lot of the SS staples in shingle siding and with the ease of
use it is easy to use a lot. They hold well in any wood other then
true hard woods where they tend to wad up. Personaly I prefer screws
they can be removed if needed. 304 SS 1/4" crown 1-1/2" leg staples
run between $36-50 a box 5,000 depending on genaric and brand name.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "freedomseeker25"
<freedomseeker25@...> wrote:
use it is easy to use a lot. They hold well in any wood other then
true hard woods where they tend to wad up. Personaly I prefer screws
they can be removed if needed. 304 SS 1/4" crown 1-1/2" leg staples
run between $36-50 a box 5,000 depending on genaric and brand name.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "freedomseeker25"
<freedomseeker25@...> wrote:
>nailer.
> -I was thinking of using staples on the piccup sq. I am building but
> could not find any with rings or barbs. Straight shank staples just
> pull out to easy .
>
> Greg
>
>
> -- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@> wrote:
> >
> > I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and
> found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch
> crown air staplers.
> >
> > I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My
> little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the
> >gone
> > Blessings Krissie
> >
> >
> > "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@> wrote:
> Estimado Maximo,
> >
> > The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has
> > through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shanknails
> > locally, the best price I've found on the various New Englandsites (I
> > looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marinequote. He
> Supply
> > in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a
> > ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.live
> >
> > www.mertons.com
> >
> > Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I
> > nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is aMobile.
> one-man
> > operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners
> galore.
> > And one busy guy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
-I was thinking of using staples on the piccup sq. I am building but
could not find any with rings or barbs. Straight shank staples just
pull out to easy .
Greg
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
crown air staplers.
could not find any with rings or barbs. Straight shank staples just
pull out to easy .
Greg
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch
> I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and
crown air staplers.
>little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the nailer.
> I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My
>Estimado Maximo,
> Blessings Krissie
>
>
> "rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote:
>Supply
> The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
> through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
> locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
> looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine
> in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. Heone-man
> ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
>
> www.mertons.com
>
> Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
> nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a
> operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fastenersgalore.
> And one busy guy.Try it now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I know the reasoning for using ring nails. But I asked around and found you can get stainless steel staples for the little 1/4 inch crown air staplers.
I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the nailer.
Blessings Krissie
"rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote: Estimado Maximo,
The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine Supply
in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
www.mertons.com
Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a one-man
operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners galore.
And one busy guy.
---------------------------------
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I plan on using them on the next boat project I have come up. My little 1/2 Hp air compresser has no problem keeping up with the nailer.
Blessings Krissie
"rank.beginner" <dickburnham@...> wrote: Estimado Maximo,
The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine Supply
in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
www.mertons.com
Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a one-man
operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners galore.
And one busy guy.
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Estimado Maximo,
The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine Supply
in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
www.mertons.com
Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a one-man
operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners galore.
And one busy guy.
The price of silicon bronze (and all things with copper) has gone
through the roof. If you cannot find silicon bronze ring shank nails
locally, the best price I've found on the various New England sites (I
looked today) was US$12.95/lb. at Merton's Fiberglass and Marine Supply
in Springfield, MA. You've got to call or email Joe for a quote. He
ship UPS. And he warned me that prices are on their way up.
www.mertons.com
Joe Merton is friendly, on top of things, and ships quickly. I live
nearby and have visited his store. From what I've seen it is a one-man
operation with lots of epoxy, fiberglass, "stuff" and fasteners galore.
And one busy guy.
Thanks Bruce, I can not get those around here. Do you recommend a company
that sell them online?
Thanks, Máximo.
that sell them online?
Thanks, Máximo.
> The nails are made with an silicon bronze alloy metal. (95%
> Copper, 4% Silicon, and 1% Manganese) I think. Silicon
> bronze metal is much stiffer than normal bronze, which allows
> the nails to be driven without bending. And, at the same
> time are resistant to corrosion, and most importantly, are a
> 'soft' metal which greatly reduces the risk to the sharpness
> of saw blades and sandpaper which may come into contact with
> the nails.
Here's another source: www.JamestownDistributors.com
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:09 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Silicon bronze ring nails
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:09 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Silicon bronze ring nails
On Jan 16, 2008 9:43 AM, Máximo <losnavegantes@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruce, I can not get those around here. Do you recommend a company
> that sell them online?
>
> Thanks, Máximo.
I buy mine from R.J. Leahy Co. for no other reason than that I have
bought from them for a very long time.
I see from their website that they do ship internationally.
http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/nails/silicon.htm
My favorite size is 3D #14 X 1-1/4", though I also use the 1D #14 X 7/8"
The truth is that galvanized steel nails also work fine too.
If I lived in a place that only had galvanized steel nails, that is
what I would use.
On Jan 16, 2008 9:43 AM, Máximo <losnavegantes@...> wrote:
bought from them for a very long time.
I see from their website that they do ship internationally.
http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/nails/silicon.htm
My favorite size is 3D #14 X 1-1/4", though I also use the 1D #14 X 7/8"
The truth is that galvanized steel nails also work fine too.
If I lived in a place that only had galvanized steel nails, that is
what I would use.
>I buy mine from R.J. Leahy Co. for no other reason than that I have
> Thanks Bruce, I can not get those around here. Do you recommend a company
> that sell them online?
>
> Thanks, Máximo.
bought from them for a very long time.
I see from their website that they do ship internationally.
http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/nails/silicon.htm
My favorite size is 3D #14 X 1-1/4", though I also use the 1D #14 X 7/8"
The truth is that galvanized steel nails also work fine too.
If I lived in a place that only had galvanized steel nails, that is
what I would use.
When Payson refers to "silicon bronze ring nails": are this nails totally
bronze? or are they just externally "painted" with bronze? Thanks, Máximo.
bronze? or are they just externally "painted" with bronze? Thanks, Máximo.
On Jan 14, 2008 10:13 AM, Máximo <losnavegantes@...> wrote:
Silicon, and 1% Manganese) I think. Silicon bronze metal is much
stiffer than normal bronze, which allows the nails to be driven
without bending. And, at the same time are resistant to corrosion,
and most importantly, are a 'soft' metal which greatly reduces the
risk to the sharpness of saw blades and sandpaper which may come into
contact with the nails.
>The nails are made with an silicon bronze alloy metal. (95% Copper, 4%
>
> When Payson refers to "silicon bronze ring nails": are this nails totally
> bronze? or are they just externally "painted" with bronze? Thanks, Máximo.
Silicon, and 1% Manganese) I think. Silicon bronze metal is much
stiffer than normal bronze, which allows the nails to be driven
without bending. And, at the same time are resistant to corrosion,
and most importantly, are a 'soft' metal which greatly reduces the
risk to the sharpness of saw blades and sandpaper which may come into
contact with the nails.