Re: Tennessee or similar
Heck,
why am I addicted to that thread?
4 bunks in 16 feet:http://www.boatplans.dk/boat_plans.asp?id=50
You need 5. Maybe one more in the cockpit?
Cheers,
Stefan
why am I addicted to that thread?
4 bunks in 16 feet:http://www.boatplans.dk/boat_plans.asp?id=50
You need 5. Maybe one more in the cockpit?
Cheers,
Stefan
What about that one?
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/CanalBoat/
--- dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/CanalBoat/
--- dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
>
> Or for me.
>
> bruce_fountain <fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
> >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.html
>
> That link doesn't work for me
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
angles are 90deg so I would probably use timber battens rather than
conventional fillets.
rear of the foredeck to the bow just a bit. Would cost much in terms
of space and wouldn't complicate construction much.
> I guess the nail and glue (with shotgun / air pressure stapler) wouldI should think stitch-and-glue would be at least as fast. Most of the
> be faster to build.
angles are 90deg so I would probably use timber battens rather than
conventional fillets.
> OTOH, a tent over a slightly lengthened cockpit sleeps easily one orWe would be quite okay with a berth in the cockpit.
> two there.
> Remember the Bantam? Bolger made the center bow removable. You couldI think looks could be improved by curving the side panels in from the
> make a similar removable sharp(er) bow for the GT27, if you want to
> improve the looks....
rear of the foredeck to the bow just a bit. Would cost much in terms
of space and wouldn't complicate construction much.
> OK, daydreaming again ...Isn't that the whole point? Beats work...
--- "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
"site:euler.sfasu.edu Canal"), means: two weeks ago. I assume that the
site is down only temporary. If the scans are not yet in one of the
group's file sections, I can upload them ... when I am at home again.
Cheers,
Stefan
> >http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.htmlGoogle cached it on 4th of January (do a search for
>
> That link doesn't work for me
"site:euler.sfasu.edu Canal"), means: two weeks ago. I assume that the
site is down only temporary. If the scans are not yet in one of the
group's file sections, I can upload them ... when I am at home again.
Cheers,
Stefan
Or for me.
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> Or here:http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.htmlThat link doesn't work for me
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
build in less than 200 hours but allow another 200 hours for finishing."
The article original (framed design) said that it took 500 hours. I
would expect s&g to be quicker.
> I asked him about his estimates and he said they include nofinishing or
> setup or cleanup times. Realistically most of his boats will take farFor this design he says "A complete hull with superstructure can be
> longer to build than his estimates.
build in less than 200 hours but allow another 200 hours for finishing."
The article original (framed design) said that it took 500 hours. I
would expect s&g to be quicker.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote:
> Or here:http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.htmlThat link doesn't work for me
Have you seen Michael Storer's Venezia?
http://www.storerboatplans.com/Venice/Venice.html
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Free advice is worth the price" -- Robert Half
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
http://www.storerboatplans.com/Venice/Venice.html
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Free advice is worth the price" -- Robert Half
**************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsprayer" <jeffsprayer@> wrote:
> >
> > Have you looked at
> >http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo.php?
>
> The Mundoo is an evolution of the Tennessee, and would be
> a lot more work I think. For instance it has a true sole
> instead of walking around on the hull.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsprayer" <jeffsprayer@...> wrote:
a lot more work I think. For instance it has a true sole
instead of walking around on the hull.
>The Mundoo is an evolution of the Tennessee, and would be
> Have you looked at
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo.php?
a lot more work I think. For instance it has a true sole
instead of walking around on the hull.
Thank you for this one, I hadn't seen it before.
HJ
Stefan Probst wrote:
HJ
Stefan Probst wrote:
> Depending on where you want to go ....
> Did you consider SBJ Cartoon 4 "Canal Cruiser"?
> Scans are somewhere in one of the group's files sections, I guess.
> (BTW: there are some more groups than listed on the main group's home
> page)
> Or here:http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.html
> A FreeShip file is here:
>http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/DesignDatabase/FREEshipFiles/CanalCruiser1.fbm
>
> 25'6" long, 6'9" beam, has 4 transom berths. You could insert a board
> in the middle and make a triple berth out of tow separate transom
> berths. Or lengthen her by 2 or 3 feet and install two more transom
> berths in the cockpit.
>
> Should not be too difficult to build, maybe even in sections.
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
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Depending on where you want to go ....
Did you consider SBJ Cartoon 4 "Canal Cruiser"?
Scans are somewhere in one of the group's files sections, I guess.
(BTW: there are some more groups than listed on the main group's home
page)
Or here:http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.html
A FreeShip file is here:
http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/DesignDatabase/FREEshipFiles/CanalCruiser1.fbm
25'6" long, 6'9" beam, has 4 transom berths. You could insert a board
in the middle and make a triple berth out of tow separate transom
berths. Or lengthen her by 2 or 3 feet and install two more transom
berths in the cockpit.
Should not be too difficult to build, maybe even in sections.
Cheers,
Stefan
Did you consider SBJ Cartoon 4 "Canal Cruiser"?
Scans are somewhere in one of the group's files sections, I guess.
(BTW: there are some more groups than listed on the main group's home
page)
Or here:http://euler.sfasu.edu/Shantyboats/PCB_Canalboat/PCB.html
A FreeShip file is here:
http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/DesignDatabase/FREEshipFiles/CanalCruiser1.fbm
25'6" long, 6'9" beam, has 4 transom berths. You could insert a board
in the middle and make a triple berth out of tow separate transom
berths. Or lengthen her by 2 or 3 feet and install two more transom
berths in the cockpit.
Should not be too difficult to build, maybe even in sections.
Cheers,
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "maicorick3" <rickf@...> wrote:
group in the FILES section.
>There are pics and an essay about Minnesota in the Bolger Cartoons
>
>
> How does Idaho compare to Tennessee for space, still a two person
> boat?
>
> Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
> If not, what book or other source?
>
> -rcf
>
>
>
group in the FILES section.
--- Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
I guess, like with everything, it depends on the level of finishing
you expect. Nail and glue with a gun might speed things up. External
chines at the bottom to protect the edge makes fibre glassing a fast
and easy job: Just some flat panels. Or go for a sandwich: reduces
weight, and GF probably needed only at the outside. Dinette: start
with foldable chairs and a table, and a foldable "bed" from the
department store. "Time to Water" might be pretty short, with as much
additional time as is at hands to make things nice.
Cheers,
Stefan
> I asked him about his estimates and he said they include no finishingBruce would probably build it in half the time ;)
> or setup or cleanup times.
> Realistically most of his boats will take far longer to build
> than his estimates.
I guess, like with everything, it depends on the level of finishing
you expect. Nail and glue with a gun might speed things up. External
chines at the bottom to protect the edge makes fibre glassing a fast
and easy job: Just some flat panels. Or go for a sandwich: reduces
weight, and GF probably needed only at the outside. Dinette: start
with foldable chairs and a table, and a foldable "bed" from the
department store. "Time to Water" might be pretty short, with as much
additional time as is at hands to make things nice.
Cheers,
Stefan
On Jan 17, 2008 7:06 PM, bruce_fountain <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
looks. And there's no way a Subaru will tow this thing. My son's Outback
only has a 1,500 pound towing rating. This boat will also have tremendous
wind resistance. I would recommend buying a beater pickup for $1,500 to tow
this boat.
If you rethink this project, so that standing headroom is outside the
enclosed box, then a Bolger clam skiff could be made into a workable
solution and could be towed with your Subaru, and you could also get by with
a smaller outboard. You could build that over a few weekends.
Fred Schumacher
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wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "StefanI would think 400 hours is optimistic. This is a bigger project than it
> Probst" <stefan.probst@...> wrote
>
>
> Does anyone think that Jacques' estimate of 400hrs to finish
> is a trifle optimistic?
>
> I think the design could do
> the job.
>
looks. And there's no way a Subaru will tow this thing. My son's Outback
only has a 1,500 pound towing rating. This boat will also have tremendous
wind resistance. I would recommend buying a beater pickup for $1,500 to tow
this boat.
If you rethink this project, so that standing headroom is outside the
enclosed box, then a Bolger clam skiff could be made into a workable
solution and could be towed with your Subaru, and you could also get by with
a smaller outboard. You could build that over a few weekends.
Fred Schumacher
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> Does anyone think that Jacques'I asked him about his estimates and he said they include no finishing or
> estimate of 400hrs to finish is
> a trifle optimistic?
setup or cleanup times. Realistically most of his boats will take far
longer to build than his estimates.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
The free "original" plans are available at Svensons:
http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=MechanixIllustrated/BudgetHouseBoat
Nearly identical, but in nail and glue (Bateau.com made a stich and
glue version out of it).
I guess the nail and glue (with shotgun / air pressure stapler) would
be faster to build. And if building speed is of importance, you might
be even able to cut some corners by using some steel elbows/angles (or
whatever you call that stuff).
I just don't see how to make a double berth out of that small dinette.
Two kids ok, but teens?
OTOH, a tent over a slightly lengthened cockpit sleeps easily one or
two there. And make the dinette a bit larger to accommodate five for
eating ...
The alternative would be the GT27:
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/GT27_study.htm?prod=GT27
Ample space (you could build a forward cabin for two like with the
HB20 ... or a birdwatcher style cabin with two bunks, keeping the
option for forward entry), better looks, but probably slightly slower
to build. Since there is much space available, you can save time by
buying some off the shelf cabinets initially.
Remember the Bantam? Bolger made the center bow removable. You could
make a similar removable sharp(er) bow for the GT27, if you want to
improve the looks....
OK, daydreaming again ...
Cheers,
Stefan
http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=MechanixIllustrated/BudgetHouseBoat
Nearly identical, but in nail and glue (Bateau.com made a stich and
glue version out of it).
I guess the nail and glue (with shotgun / air pressure stapler) would
be faster to build. And if building speed is of importance, you might
be even able to cut some corners by using some steel elbows/angles (or
whatever you call that stuff).
I just don't see how to make a double berth out of that small dinette.
Two kids ok, but teens?
OTOH, a tent over a slightly lengthened cockpit sleeps easily one or
two there. And make the dinette a bit larger to accommodate five for
eating ...
The alternative would be the GT27:
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/GT27_study.htm?prod=GT27
Ample space (you could build a forward cabin for two like with the
HB20 ... or a birdwatcher style cabin with two bunks, keeping the
option for forward entry), better looks, but probably slightly slower
to build. Since there is much space available, you can save time by
buying some off the shelf cabinets initially.
Remember the Bantam? Bolger made the center bow removable. You could
make a similar removable sharp(er) bow for the GT27, if you want to
improve the looks....
OK, daydreaming again ...
Cheers,
Stefan
When you are looking at the boat and you need a bit more space add in a few more frames to get the room you need. I know at times it's easer said then done.
Yes the hull is kinda boxy but it's easier to build and with that faster to build. You can spend 2000 hours building what you want and not see the water or spend 200 to 300 hours building something not quite what you want and enjoy being on the water, the time you would have spent building.
Bright work and paint scheme can change the looks of a boat a lot! They can make a Ho-hum design look really nice. Or and yes I have seen this a very nice design look like junk.
Blessings all
Krissie
bruce_fountain <fountain.bruce@...> wrote: --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
but it seemed a bit ugly. Looking at it again I can see some
potential.
another bunk somewhere.
Does anyone think that Jacques' estimate of 400hrs to finish
is a trifle optimistic?
the job. I would want to play around with the floorplan a bit.
Perhaps if the wc were moved forward so that the cabin and the
cockpit could flow better.
than most houseboats. I think you could do a lot with careful
choice of finish and a bit of brightwork. I don't think their
rendering does it justice.
Hmmm, and I was just about to give up on the whole idea...
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Yes the hull is kinda boxy but it's easier to build and with that faster to build. You can spend 2000 hours building what you want and not see the water or spend 200 to 300 hours building something not quite what you want and enjoy being on the water, the time you would have spent building.
Bright work and paint scheme can change the looks of a boat a lot! They can make a Ho-hum design look really nice. Or and yes I have seen this a very nice design look like junk.
Blessings all
Krissie
bruce_fountain <fountain.bruce@...> wrote: --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
> my take on it:That is not too bad, I did skim it when I was first looking,
>
> Bateau.com's HB20 Houseboat:
>http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/HB20_study.htm?prod=HB20
but it seemed a bit ugly. Looking at it again I can see some
potential.
> Quick to build, sleeps the first three of you.It has a double and two singles. I am sure we could squeeze in
another bunk somewhere.
Does anyone think that Jacques' estimate of 400hrs to finish
is a trifle optimistic?
> Then you build an extension, with same cross-section. Floating byI don't think this is necessary, I think the design could do
> itself (i.e. a barge)
the job. I would want to play around with the floorplan a bit.
Perhaps if the wc were moved forward so that the cabin and the
cockpit could flow better.
> OK, you wanted nice looks.... well, ....It is boxy. But it does look sort of boatish, which is better
than most houseboats. I think you could do a lot with careful
choice of finish and a bit of brightwork. I don't think their
rendering does it justice.
Hmmm, and I was just about to give up on the whole idea...
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--- "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
trailer. And if you don't need every inch at the bow, you can also
re-shape it a bit to look a bit less boxy.
sun bathing platform and tow it behind when needed, so that the main
boat is not that crowded.
Say four Wingnuts modules, each with an 4'x4' deck board, bolted
together with some lumber. When moving on the water you store the
modules on the sundeck, when moving on the road, you put them inside
the boat.
Or you attach a platform aft that folds up to the transom when not
needed ....
extension, then you can choose some of their designs that are a bit
less boxy. All of them easy and quick to build, and maximizing
available space, thus also trailer weight.
Stefan
> It has a double and two singles. I am sure we could squeeze inI see no problem to lengthen it to whatever size and weight you can
> another bunk somewhere.
> I would want to play around with the floorplan a bit.
trailer. And if you don't need every inch at the bow, you can also
re-shape it a bit to look a bit less boxy.
> > Then you build an extension, with same cross-section. Floating byAnother option might be to build a pantoon as separate swimming and
> > itself (i.e. a barge)
>
> I don't think this is necessary, I think the design could do
> the job.
sun bathing platform and tow it behind when needed, so that the main
boat is not that crowded.
Say four Wingnuts modules, each with an 4'x4' deck board, bolted
together with some lumber. When moving on the water you store the
modules on the sundeck, when moving on the road, you put them inside
the boat.
Or you attach a platform aft that folds up to the transom when not
needed ....
> It is boxy. But it does look sort of boatish, which is betterTrue. Think about false sheer lines etc. And if you don't go for the
> than most houseboats. I think you could do a lot with careful
> choice of finish and a bit of brightwork. I don't think their
> rendering does it justice.
extension, then you can choose some of their designs that are a bit
less boxy. All of them easy and quick to build, and maximizing
available space, thus also trailer weight.
> Hmmm, and I was just about to give up on the whole idea...My sincere apologies ;)
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@...>
but it seemed a bit ugly. Looking at it again I can see some
potential.
another bunk somewhere.
Does anyone think that Jacques' estimate of 400hrs to finish
is a trifle optimistic?
the job. I would want to play around with the floorplan a bit.
Perhaps if the wc were moved forward so that the cabin and the
cockpit could flow better.
than most houseboats. I think you could do a lot with careful
choice of finish and a bit of brightwork. I don't think their
rendering does it justice.
Hmmm, and I was just about to give up on the whole idea...
> my take on it:That is not too bad, I did skim it when I was first looking,
>
> Bateau.com's HB20 Houseboat:
>http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/HB20_study.htm?prod=HB20
but it seemed a bit ugly. Looking at it again I can see some
potential.
> Quick to build, sleeps the first three of you.It has a double and two singles. I am sure we could squeeze in
another bunk somewhere.
Does anyone think that Jacques' estimate of 400hrs to finish
is a trifle optimistic?
> Then you build an extension, with same cross-section. Floating byI don't think this is necessary, I think the design could do
> itself (i.e. a barge)
the job. I would want to play around with the floorplan a bit.
Perhaps if the wc were moved forward so that the cabin and the
cockpit could flow better.
> OK, you wanted nice looks.... well, ....It is boxy. But it does look sort of boatish, which is better
than most houseboats. I think you could do a lot with careful
choice of finish and a bit of brightwork. I don't think their
rendering does it justice.
Hmmm, and I was just about to give up on the whole idea...
Dear Bruce,
my take on it:
Bateau.com's HB20 Houseboat:
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/HB20_study.htm?prod=HB20
There is a similar one on Svensons Free Designes:
http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=MechanixIllustrated/BudgetHouseBoat
Quick to build, sleeps the first three of you.
Make the transom straight vertical, and cut an opening to step through.
Then you build an extension, with same cross-section. Floating by
itself (i.e. a barge)
Sleeps two to four (in bunks) more.
Adds a larger cockpit, one more head, if you like, or a separate small
cockpit aft.
Again very quick to build.
Both sections can be easily trailered by a small car.
On the water you connect both modules with thick boards,
say 1" x 6", as long as you can trailer them, bolted to the two hulls.
One board just below the sheer, the other one just above WL.
Where's the problem?
OK, you wanted nice looks.... well, ....
Cheers,
Stefan
my take on it:
Bateau.com's HB20 Houseboat:
http://www.bateau.com/studyplans/HB20_study.htm?prod=HB20
There is a similar one on Svensons Free Designes:
http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=MechanixIllustrated/BudgetHouseBoat
Quick to build, sleeps the first three of you.
Make the transom straight vertical, and cut an opening to step through.
Then you build an extension, with same cross-section. Floating by
itself (i.e. a barge)
Sleeps two to four (in bunks) more.
Adds a larger cockpit, one more head, if you like, or a separate small
cockpit aft.
Again very quick to build.
Both sections can be easily trailered by a small car.
On the water you connect both modules with thick boards,
say 1" x 6", as long as you can trailer them, bolted to the two hulls.
One board just below the sheer, the other one just above WL.
Where's the problem?
OK, you wanted nice looks.... well, ....
Cheers,
Stefan
It seems to me that the state series has an inherent problem in that they
are all 6 times as long as they are wide. This necessitates 50 to 60 foot
length to attain useable cabin width. This would require power to be stable
in a crosswind, particularly at low speed.
Has anyone looked at stretching the Watervan? I wouldn't want to be in a
seaway in one, but it would be fine for gunkholing. I grew up boating in a
30 foot by 8 foot flat bottomed steel trailer/boat with outboard power,
called a terra-marine. It looked like Izona,
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/view/68fd?b=3but without the
pilot house. It was bad in a chop or at low speed in a crosswind, but the
watervan looks to have many of its deficiencies corrected.
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
maicorick3
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
How does Idaho compare to Tennessee for space, still a two person
boat?
Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
If not, what book or other source?
-rcf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "uncleralph123" <UncleRalph@...>
wrote:
are all 6 times as long as they are wide. This necessitates 50 to 60 foot
length to attain useable cabin width. This would require power to be stable
in a crosswind, particularly at low speed.
Has anyone looked at stretching the Watervan? I wouldn't want to be in a
seaway in one, but it would be fine for gunkholing. I grew up boating in a
30 foot by 8 foot flat bottomed steel trailer/boat with outboard power,
called a terra-marine. It looked like Izona,
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/view/68fd?b=3but without the
pilot house. It was bad in a chop or at low speed in a crosswind, but the
watervan looks to have many of its deficiencies corrected.
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
maicorick3
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:54 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
How does Idaho compare to Tennessee for space, still a two person
boat?
Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
If not, what book or other source?
-rcf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "uncleralph123" <UncleRalph@...>
wrote:
>feet
> You might want to look at the Minnesota design. It has berths for
> four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33
> it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is aalso.
> planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
> would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed
>
> Ralph
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
> > still lurk occasionally.
> >
> > I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
> > a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
> > and he says every man should be required to take a year off
> > when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
> > My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
> > Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
> > Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
> > architectural drafting at nightschool).
> >
> > Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
> > seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
> > uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
> >
> > I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
> > buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
> > something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
> >
> >http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
> >
> > but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
> > you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
> > hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
> > engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
> >
> > So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
> > Here are my requirements:
> >
> > * trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
> > would be good
> >
> > * possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> > girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
> > seating to bunks
> >
> > * toilet
> >
> > * protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
> > Perth, Western Australia
> >
> > * small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
> >
> > * aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
> > we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
> > in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
> >
> > We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
> > probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
> > it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
> > would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
> >
> > I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
> > but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
> > A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
> > reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
> > overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
> >
> > So questions:
> >
> > * What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
> > of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
> > houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
> >
> > * How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
> > small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
> > a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
> > and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
> > standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
> >
> > * Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
> >
> > * How good are the plans? To they include construction
> > notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
> >
> > * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> > (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> > ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> > upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> > calculations
> >
>
Minnesota is described here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Minnesota%20Cruiser/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Minnesota%20Cruiser/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "maicorick3" <rickf@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
> If not, what book or other source?
>
> -rcf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I have just been frustrated by the lack of suitable boats on
the 2nd hand market here. There are good plastic yachts at
a reasonable price, but nothing suitable in the powered boats.
Perth has one of the highest per-capita boat ownership in
Australia, but it seems they are all overpowered fish killers.
I will just have to rein in my impatience and wait for the
right boat to turn up.
> I'll just focus on the key questions. With a family that age, is whatThanks for the reality check Bruce. I guess I knew this, but
> you really want is family boating fun? Then: Buy a boat now and do
> the boating now. Time is precious.
I have just been frustrated by the lack of suitable boats on
the 2nd hand market here. There are good plastic yachts at
a reasonable price, but nothing suitable in the powered boats.
Perth has one of the highest per-capita boat ownership in
Australia, but it seems they are all overpowered fish killers.
I will just have to rein in my impatience and wait for the
right boat to turn up.
I'd second that, If you really want to build.......... smaller and simpler is probably better. Over the years our children were growing we had a couple of couple of rowing boats several small dinghys and 2 kids kayaks (not all at the same time, but always a selection) that we took to the water as seemed right for each occaision. The kids got to visit desert(ed) islands, (some tidal), for beachcombing. and exploring. The played on the water in command of their own boats, within sight of parents. They chased free sailing home made models, and rolled the boats over to make funny noises from under the upturned hull.
For some of those years we also had a bigger serious sailboat, which did not get nearly enough use, and was eventually sold to free up time and money for more creative persuits.
I had a couple of divorced sailing friends, who got together to form a combined family with 6 kids. Money was not much of an issue mainly because they didn't have any. Their sailing solution was to buy two 20 odd foot older small cruising boats for very little, and cruise in company with one adult and 3 kids squeezed into each boat. This solution worked for as long as they lived near me...... 5 or 6 years at least.
JG
----- Original Message ----
From: David <arbordg@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:00:22 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
I would strongly agree with Mr. Hallman. I built a simple 16' sailing
dinghy with my two teenaged sons.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/ GIS/GISplan. html
It was a great experience for the family. We now have a fun boat to
use together. However, our project took us less than a year, and I
still somewhat regret the loss of that year on the water... while the
boys were younger.
A boat the size you're discussing would be a Much Longer Project. By
the time you were finished, the family composition and dynamics will
be much altered = in ways which can & cannot be foreseen. The boat
would likely no longer fit your situation. Alternately, if you wanted
the family to build a boat for you to use and share with some of them
sometimes, you could more quickly finish building a smaller, less
expensive, more manageable boat which would likely get used far more
often. And, in the meantime, you'd have a nifty family project. Or,
you could build it yourself (which might get you on the water quicker
in the end) with the occasional bit of help from the kids.
Whichever way you go, I'd definitely get a used boat now and get out
on the water. The experience might give you some insight which would
further inform your subsequent choices.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We know truth not only by reason, but also by the heart" -- Blaise Pascal
************ *****
For some of those years we also had a bigger serious sailboat, which did not get nearly enough use, and was eventually sold to free up time and money for more creative persuits.
I had a couple of divorced sailing friends, who got together to form a combined family with 6 kids. Money was not much of an issue mainly because they didn't have any. Their sailing solution was to buy two 20 odd foot older small cruising boats for very little, and cruise in company with one adult and 3 kids squeezed into each boat. This solution worked for as long as they lived near me...... 5 or 6 years at least.
JG
----- Original Message ----
From: David <arbordg@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:00:22 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
I would strongly agree with Mr. Hallman. I built a simple 16' sailing
dinghy with my two teenaged sons.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/ GIS/GISplan. html
It was a great experience for the family. We now have a fun boat to
use together. However, our project took us less than a year, and I
still somewhat regret the loss of that year on the water... while the
boys were younger.
A boat the size you're discussing would be a Much Longer Project. By
the time you were finished, the family composition and dynamics will
be much altered = in ways which can & cannot be foreseen. The boat
would likely no longer fit your situation. Alternately, if you wanted
the family to build a boat for you to use and share with some of them
sometimes, you could more quickly finish building a smaller, less
expensive, more manageable boat which would likely get used far more
often. And, in the meantime, you'd have a nifty family project. Or,
you could build it yourself (which might get you on the water quicker
in the end) with the occasional bit of help from the kids.
Whichever way you go, I'd definitely get a used boat now and get out
on the water. The experience might give you some insight which would
further inform your subsequent choices.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We know truth not only by reason, but also by the heart" -- Blaise Pascal
************ *****
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 9:03 PM, bruce_fountain
> <fountain.bruce@ ...> wrote:
>
> > buying a "family boat",
>
> > 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> > girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog.
>
> > * How much work am I letting myself in for?
>
> I'll just focus on the key questions. With a family that age, is what
> you really want is family boating fun? Then: Buy a boat now and do
> the boating now. Time is precious.
>
> But if what you really want is to have the fun of building a boat,
> then build a boat. Add two or four years to the age of your family
> and figure the size requirements. There is no escaping the reality
> that a five berth boat is a big project. And, a Tennesee doesn't come
> close to being big enough to sleep five.
>
> If you want both. Consider buying the big boat now and building some
> fun small boats now. Building a big boat is a time consuming deal.
>
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How does Idaho compare to Tennessee for space, still a two person
boat?
Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
If not, what book or other source?
-rcf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "uncleralph123" <UncleRalph@...>
wrote:
boat?
Is there anyplace on-line to get a look at Minnesota?
If not, what book or other source?
-rcf
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "uncleralph123" <UncleRalph@...>
wrote:
>feet
> You might want to look at the Minnesota design. It has berths for
> four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33
> it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is aalso.
> planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
> would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed
>
> Ralph
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
> > still lurk occasionally.
> >
> > I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
> > a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
> > and he says every man should be required to take a year off
> > when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
> > My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
> > Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
> > Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
> > architectural drafting at nightschool).
> >
> > Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
> > seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
> > uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
> >
> > I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
> > buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
> > something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
> >
> >http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
> >
> > but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
> > you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
> > hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
> > engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
> >
> > So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
> > Here are my requirements:
> >
> > * trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
> > would be good
> >
> > * possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> > girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
> > seating to bunks
> >
> > * toilet
> >
> > * protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
> > Perth, Western Australia
> >
> > * small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
> >
> > * aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
> > we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
> > in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
> >
> > We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
> > probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
> > it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
> > would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
> >
> > I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
> > but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
> > A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
> > reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
> > overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
> >
> > So questions:
> >
> > * What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
> > of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
> > houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
> >
> > * How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
> > small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
> > a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
> > and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
> > standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
> >
> > * Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
> >
> > * How good are the plans? To they include construction
> > notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
> >
> > * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> > (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> > ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> > upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> > calculations
> >
>
I overlooked your last paragraph. I can't think of any boat that
would sleep 5 people and be able to be pulled by a 4 cylinder vehicle.
The Minnesota I mentioned earlier is probably going to have a total
trailering weight of at least 5,000 lbs.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
would sleep 5 people and be able to be pulled by a 4 cylinder vehicle.
The Minnesota I mentioned earlier is probably going to have a total
trailering weight of at least 5,000 lbs.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> calculations
>
I have seen photos of Fast Motorsailer as power only. Stretched to 30 ft
would probably accommodate 5. Difficult to trailer with a 4-banger,
however.
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
uncleralph123
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
You might want to look at the Minnesota design. It has berths for
four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33 feet
it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is a
planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed also.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
would probably accommodate 5. Difficult to trailer with a 4-banger,
however.
Christopher C. Wetherill
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
uncleralph123
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
You might want to look at the Minnesota design. It has berths for
four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33 feet
it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is a
planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed also.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
> still lurk occasionally.
>
> I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
> a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
> and he says every man should be required to take a year off
> when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
> My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
> Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
> Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
> architectural drafting at nightschool).
>
> Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
> seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
> uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
>
> I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
> buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
> something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
>
>http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
>
> but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
> you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
> hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
> engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
>
> So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
> Here are my requirements:
>
> * trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
> would be good
>
> * possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
> seating to bunks
>
> * toilet
>
> * protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> * small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
>
> * aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
> we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
> in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
>
> We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
> probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
> it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
> would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
>
> I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
> but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
> A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
> reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
> overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
>
> So questions:
>
> * What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
> of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
> houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
>
> * How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
> small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
> a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
> and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
> standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
>
> * Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
>
> * How good are the plans? To they include construction
> notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
>
> * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> calculations
>
I would strongly agree with Mr. Hallman. I built a simple 16' sailing
dinghy with my two teenaged sons.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/GIS/GISplan.html
It was a great experience for the family. We now have a fun boat to
use together. However, our project took us less than a year, and I
still somewhat regret the loss of that year on the water... while the
boys were younger.
A boat the size you're discussing would be a Much Longer Project. By
the time you were finished, the family composition and dynamics will
be much altered = in ways which can & cannot be foreseen. The boat
would likely no longer fit your situation. Alternately, if you wanted
the family to build a boat for you to use and share with some of them
sometimes, you could more quickly finish building a smaller, less
expensive, more manageable boat which would likely get used far more
often. And, in the meantime, you'd have a nifty family project. Or,
you could build it yourself (which might get you on the water quicker
in the end) with the occasional bit of help from the kids.
Whichever way you go, I'd definitely get a used boat now and get out
on the water. The experience might give you some insight which would
further inform your subsequent choices.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We know truth not only by reason, but also by the heart" -- Blaise Pascal
*****************
dinghy with my two teenaged sons.
http://www.storerboatplans.com/GIS/GISplan.html
It was a great experience for the family. We now have a fun boat to
use together. However, our project took us less than a year, and I
still somewhat regret the loss of that year on the water... while the
boys were younger.
A boat the size you're discussing would be a Much Longer Project. By
the time you were finished, the family composition and dynamics will
be much altered = in ways which can & cannot be foreseen. The boat
would likely no longer fit your situation. Alternately, if you wanted
the family to build a boat for you to use and share with some of them
sometimes, you could more quickly finish building a smaller, less
expensive, more manageable boat which would likely get used far more
often. And, in the meantime, you'd have a nifty family project. Or,
you could build it yourself (which might get you on the water quicker
in the end) with the occasional bit of help from the kids.
Whichever way you go, I'd definitely get a used boat now and get out
on the water. The experience might give you some insight which would
further inform your subsequent choices.
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"We know truth not only by reason, but also by the heart" -- Blaise Pascal
*****************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 9:03 PM, bruce_fountain
> <fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > buying a "family boat",
>
> > 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> > girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog.
>
> > * How much work am I letting myself in for?
>
> I'll just focus on the key questions. With a family that age, is what
> you really want is family boating fun? Then: Buy a boat now and do
> the boating now. Time is precious.
>
> But if what you really want is to have the fun of building a boat,
> then build a boat. Add two or four years to the age of your family
> and figure the size requirements. There is no escaping the reality
> that a five berth boat is a big project. And, a Tennesee doesn't come
> close to being big enough to sleep five.
>
> If you want both. Consider buying the big boat now and building some
> fun small boats now. Building a big boat is a time consuming deal.
>
You might want to look at the Minnesota design. It has berths for
four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33 feet
it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is a
planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed also.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
four plus cockpit benches that could be used for sleeping. At 33 feet
it may be larger than most people want to trailer however. It is a
planing hull so it is designed for more horsepower, but I am sure
would work just fine with a smaller engine operating at hull speed also.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bruce_fountain" <fountain.bruce@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
> still lurk occasionally.
>
> I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
> a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
> and he says every man should be required to take a year off
> when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
> My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
> Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
> Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
> architectural drafting at nightschool).
>
> Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
> seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
> uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
>
> I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
> buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
> something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
>
>http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
>
> but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
> you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
> hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
> engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
>
> So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
> Here are my requirements:
>
> * trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
> would be good
>
> * possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
> seating to bunks
>
> * toilet
>
> * protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> * small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
>
> * aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
> we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
> in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
>
> We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
> probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
> it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
> would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
>
> I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
> but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
> A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
> reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
> overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
>
> So questions:
>
> * What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
> of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
> houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
>
> * How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
> small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
> a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
> and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
> standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
>
> * Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
>
> * How good are the plans? To they include construction
> notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
>
> * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> calculations
>
On Jan 15, 2008 9:03 PM, bruce_fountain
<fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
you really want is family boating fun? Then: Buy a boat now and do
the boating now. Time is precious.
But if what you really want is to have the fun of building a boat,
then build a boat. Add two or four years to the age of your family
and figure the size requirements. There is no escaping the reality
that a five berth boat is a big project. And, a Tennesee doesn't come
close to being big enough to sleep five.
If you want both. Consider buying the big boat now and building some
fun small boats now. Building a big boat is a time consuming deal.
<fountain.bruce@...> wrote:
> buying a "family boat",I'll just focus on the key questions. With a family that age, is what
> 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog.
> * How much work am I letting myself in for?
you really want is family boating fun? Then: Buy a boat now and do
the boating now. Time is precious.
But if what you really want is to have the fun of building a boat,
then build a boat. Add two or four years to the age of your family
and figure the size requirements. There is no escaping the reality
that a five berth boat is a big project. And, a Tennesee doesn't come
close to being big enough to sleep five.
If you want both. Consider buying the big boat now and building some
fun small boats now. Building a big boat is a time consuming deal.
As the current caretaker of EstherMae I would concur that the Tennessee is a
30' two-seater. The cabin space when built to plan is only 4' tall, the
layout drawn on the plans is far to small for a 6' tall person (me) to use.
I currently plan to open the front for handling the anchor and convert the
cabin into a two berth configuration. Cooking, and most other activities
take place in the cockpit, (EstherMae has a hard top with canvass sides).
Ultimate location for the porta-pottie will be the aft cockpit with canvas
screens. There is not a lot of storage, and the aft cockpit was a change
from the original plans. I suspect that the long cabin and aft deck are to
concentrate the load into the center of the boat for trim. For me and my
wife the Tennessee is a great overnight boat and all that is needed for the
two of us. Four persons can ride comfortably and we have put up to 11 on
board for a short run, but it is essentially a two person boat.
Caloosarat
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bruce_fountain
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:02 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, Harry
James <welshman@...> wrote:
was slightly shorter and slightly wider than the Idaho. Perhaps
you are thinking of the Sneakeasy?
into 4wd. I was more concerned with the load while driving. How
heavy is it?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
30' two-seater. The cabin space when built to plan is only 4' tall, the
layout drawn on the plans is far to small for a 6' tall person (me) to use.
I currently plan to open the front for handling the anchor and convert the
cabin into a two berth configuration. Cooking, and most other activities
take place in the cockpit, (EstherMae has a hard top with canvass sides).
Ultimate location for the porta-pottie will be the aft cockpit with canvas
screens. There is not a lot of storage, and the aft cockpit was a change
from the original plans. I suspect that the long cabin and aft deck are to
concentrate the load into the center of the boat for trim. For me and my
wife the Tennessee is a great overnight boat and all that is needed for the
two of us. Four persons can ride comfortably and we have put up to 11 on
board for a short run, but it is essentially a two person boat.
Caloosarat
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bruce_fountain
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:02 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee or similar
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, Harry
James <welshman@...> wrote:
>Are we talking about the same boat? I thought the Tennessee
> The Tennessee is a two person boat at best.
was slightly shorter and slightly wider than the Idaho. Perhaps
you are thinking of the Sneakeasy?
> You don't have to launch andI wasn't so much worried about the ramp, I can just drop down
> pull up the ramp with a small car. Bolger uses a portable winch with
> his smaller car so he doesn't have to go down the ramp.
into 4wd. I was more concerned with the load while driving. How
heavy is it?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
was slightly shorter and slightly wider than the Idaho. Perhaps
you are thinking of the Sneakeasy?
into 4wd. I was more concerned with the load while driving. How
heavy is it?
>Are we talking about the same boat? I thought the Tennessee
> The Tennessee is a two person boat at best.
was slightly shorter and slightly wider than the Idaho. Perhaps
you are thinking of the Sneakeasy?
> You don't have to launch andI wasn't so much worried about the ramp, I can just drop down
> pull up the ramp with a small car. Bolger uses a portable winch with
> his smaller car so he doesn't have to go down the ramp.
into 4wd. I was more concerned with the load while driving. How
heavy is it?
The Tennessee is a two person boat at best. I would consider the next
step up in the state series or some thing with a little more beam then
the 6' of the Tennessee. I bet Bruce has some ideas that would fit your
7-900 man hours that you have available. You don't have to launch and
pull up the ramp with a small car. Bolger uses a portable winch with
his smaller car so he doesn't have to go down the ramp.
HJ
bruce_fountain wrote:
step up in the state series or some thing with a little more beam then
the 6' of the Tennessee. I bet Bruce has some ideas that would fit your
7-900 man hours that you have available. You don't have to launch and
pull up the ramp with a small car. Bolger uses a portable winch with
his smaller car so he doesn't have to go down the ramp.
HJ
bruce_fountain wrote:
> Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
> still lurk occasionally.
>
> I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
> a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
> and he says every man should be required to take a year off
> when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
> My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
> Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
> Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
> architectural drafting at nightschool).
>
> Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
> seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
> uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
>
> I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
> buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
> something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
>
>http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
>
> but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
> you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
> hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
> engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
>
> So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
> Here are my requirements:
>
> * trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
> would be good
>
> * possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
> girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
> seating to bunks
>
> * toilet
>
> * protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> * small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
>
> * aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
> we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
> in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
>
> We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
> probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
> it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
> would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
>
> I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
> but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
> A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
> reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
> overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
>
> So questions:
>
> * What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
> of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
> houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
>
> * How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
> small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
> a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
> and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
> standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
>
> * Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
>
> * How good are the plans? To they include construction
> notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
>
> * What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
> (1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
> ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
> upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
> calculations
>
>
>
Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a long time, but I
still lurk occasionally.
I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
and he says every man should be required to take a year off
when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
architectural drafting at nightschool).
Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
Here are my requirements:
* trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
would be good
* possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
seating to bunks
* toilet
* protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
Perth, Western Australia
* small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
* aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
So questions:
* What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
* How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
* Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
* How good are the plans? To they include construction
notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
* What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
(1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
calculations
still lurk occasionally.
I am planning to quit work later this year and take (at least)
a year off. I recently read a quote by author Steve Biddulph
and he says every man should be required to take a year off
when he turns 40 and who am I to argue with a prominent writer?
My wife has just finished her Masters and starts teaching in
Feb, so I am promoted to housewife for a while at least.
Possibly a career change next year (I have been studying
architectural drafting at nightschool).
Anyway... I expect to have more disposable time than I have
seen in the last 20 years, at least 2 or 3 hours a day of
uninterrupted boatbuilding time.
I just got my Christmas bonus and we have been considering
buying a "family boat", but having some difficulty finding
something that suits. We were very tempted by this motorsailer:
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=29718
but the price is a little out of my range, especially when
you add about $5K for the mooring. Also it is an old wooden
hull and an old diesel engine and I am not very handy with
engines. However, in many respects this is a great boat for us.
So... I am thinking of maybe a Tennessee or something similar.
Here are my requirements:
* trailerable, although something I could put on a mooring
would be good
* possible to configure 5 berths - 2 adults, 17yo girl, 10yo
girl and 8yo boy plus a small dog. We are happy to convert
seating to bunks
* toilet
* protection from the weather, especially the sun (we are in
Perth, Western Australia
* small outboard engine. Prefer that the engine is enclosed
* aesthetically pleasing. See link above for an idea of what
we consider to be attractive. I haven't seen a tennessee
in real life, but it looks good in the pictures
We will be mostly pottering around on the Swan river, we would
probably trailer it to other protected waters occasionally. If
it could handle the 20km ocean trip to Rottnest island that
would be fabulous, but that is probably asking a bit much.
I like to sail my laser and the kids also have small dinghies
but everyone has made it clear that they don't want a yacht.
A shame because there are good plastic yachts going for a
reasonable price. Second hand stinkboats tend to be ugly,
overpowered and pricey (unless they are really old and leaky).
So questions:
* What design? Tennessee has always appealed, but maybe one
of the other state series boats? What about the bolger
houseboat? Devlin's Millie Hill?
* How much work am I letting myself in for? I have built a few
small stitch-and-glue dinghies (the 8ft D4 from bateau.com)
a few years ago, so I have some basic skills in wood butchery
and epoxy. I certainly don't want to go for gold plate
standard, a 10ft finish would be fine
* Rough costings? How many sheets of ply, litres of epoxy, paint?
* How good are the plans? To they include construction
notes or are they mostly just the panel dimensions?
* What would I need to pull one of these? I have an elderly
(1984) subaru wagon. The 4WD would probably get me up the
ramp, but it is a fairly small 4cyl engine. If I need to
upgrade my vehicle then I need to factor that into my
calculations