Re: Gaff Halyards
I'm close to finishing the new mast. I'll try it when I re-rig, and
see.
Jamie
see.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> Since Commodore Munroe of sharpie fame(who knows more about sailing
even in
> the afterlife than any 10 of us can figger out right now) and the
Norfolk
> wherries both used this system, I'd think it reefs satisfactorily
as long
> as the reef points more or less parallel the boom. It is self-
adjusting as
> far as I can tell.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
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Jamie,
Since Commodore Munroe of sharpie fame(who knows more about sailing even in
the afterlife than any 10 of us can figger out right now) and the Norfolk
wherries both used this system, I'd think it reefs satisfactorily as long
as the reef points more or less parallel the boom. It is self-adjusting as
far as I can tell.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
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_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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Since Commodore Munroe of sharpie fame(who knows more about sailing even in
the afterlife than any 10 of us can figger out right now) and the Norfolk
wherries both used this system, I'd think it reefs satisfactorily as long
as the reef points more or less parallel the boom. It is self-adjusting as
far as I can tell.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
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American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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He was a dedicated boat person in the first half of the 20th century,
writer, designer, builder, modeler, etc. but I always think of his
artwork, illustrations and cartoons that I have seen in some old books
or reprints in my collection. See a brief bio in connection with
material held at Mystic Seaport at:
<http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm>http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm
Charles G Davis was the first guy to draw a do-it-yourself boat (forthe
Rudder) in a boating mag.
G Christopher Davies, I don't know who he is. That's the guy who wrote
"Practical BOat Sailing."
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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writer, designer, builder, modeler, etc. but I always think of his
artwork, illustrations and cartoons that I have seen in some old books
or reprints in my collection. See a brief bio in connection with
material held at Mystic Seaport at:
<http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm>http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm
Charles G Davis was the first guy to draw a do-it-yourself boat (forthe
Rudder) in a boating mag.
G Christopher Davies, I don't know who he is. That's the guy who wrote
"Practical BOat Sailing."
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American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
He was a dedicated boat person in the first half of the 20th century,
writer, designer, builder, modeler, etc. but I always think of his
artwork, illustrations and cartoons that I have seen in some old books
or reprints in my collection. See a brief bio in connection with
material held at Mystic Seaport at:
http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm
writer, designer, builder, modeler, etc. but I always think of his
artwork, illustrations and cartoons that I have seen in some old books
or reprints in my collection. See a brief bio in connection with
material held at Mystic Seaport at:
http://www.mysticseaport.org/library/manuscripts/coll/coll253/coll253.cfm
Jamie,
couldn't you still use your strop with block on the gaff? It would
still work the same would it not?
When I'm raising or lowering my main, with the gaff more or less
horizontal,I sometimes get out of kilter,(different advantages), and
have to play with the gaff angle to get it going again. That would be
my worry, but Craig's article is fiendishly tempting. The simplist
idea is often the best, and this one has the weight of tradition
behind it. And getting rid of one more rope in the sky is a positive.
I finish laying up my carbon taped mast this weekend, and may look at
this idea when rigging,
DonB
couldn't you still use your strop with block on the gaff? It would
still work the same would it not?
When I'm raising or lowering my main, with the gaff more or less
horizontal,I sometimes get out of kilter,(different advantages), and
have to play with the gaff angle to get it going again. That would be
my worry, but Craig's article is fiendishly tempting. The simplist
idea is often the best, and this one has the weight of tradition
behind it. And getting rid of one more rope in the sky is a positive.
I finish laying up my carbon taped mast this weekend, and may look at
this idea when rigging,
DonB
>
> How would this work when reefed? My only experience is with the
> Chebacco gaff, which has a strap (strop?) on the gaff, which lets the
> point of attachment for the peak halyard self-adjust. Normally, the
> peak halyard rides near the bottom of the strap, but by the time both
> reefs are tied in, its right at the top. With the self-adjusting
> feature, the sail sets well whether it has no reefs, one reef or two
> reefs. Would the method you describe do this too? It might be nice
> not to have the strap as it can be hard to get tight enough so it,
> with its thimble (or block, if used), doesn't get too close to the
> halyard block.
>
> Hope that all makes sense....
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> > In G.C. Davies "Practical Boat Sailing for Amateurs" -- no date I
> can find
> > but looks to be 1880s-1890s or an early 20c reprint of a book from
> that
> > time --Chapter 8 talks about The Una Boat (UK term for catboat).
> >
> > "There is but one halyard. One end of this is fast to the gaff,
> then passes
> > through a double block on the mast, down through a single block on
> the gaff
> > near the the jaws, up through the double block, and then down the
> mast,
> > where it generally passes througha block or sheave and leads aft ...
> >
> > When you haul upon this halyard the gaff goes up at right angles to
> the
> > mast until the throat is as high as it can go, then the peak
> asserts its
> > dignity. This ... is in use on Norfolk wherries, and sets their
> enormous
> > yards to perfection."
> >
> > This is the same as the setup diagrammed by Conor O'Brien.
> >
> > You adjust the peak of the gaff by where the halyard ties on - how
> far out
> > on the gaff.
> > --
> > Craig O'Donnell
> > Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> > The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> > The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> > Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese
> Junks,
> > American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> > Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> > _________________________________
> >
> > -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> > -- Macintosh kinda guy
> > Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> > _________________________________
Hi Craig
How would this work when reefed? My only experience is with the
Chebacco gaff, which has a strap (strop?) on the gaff, which lets the
point of attachment for the peak halyard self-adjust. Normally, the
peak halyard rides near the bottom of the strap, but by the time both
reefs are tied in, its right at the top. With the self-adjusting
feature, the sail sets well whether it has no reefs, one reef or two
reefs. Would the method you describe do this too? It might be nice
not to have the strap as it can be hard to get tight enough so it,
with its thimble (or block, if used), doesn't get too close to the
halyard block.
Hope that all makes sense....
Jamie
How would this work when reefed? My only experience is with the
Chebacco gaff, which has a strap (strop?) on the gaff, which lets the
point of attachment for the peak halyard self-adjust. Normally, the
peak halyard rides near the bottom of the strap, but by the time both
reefs are tied in, its right at the top. With the self-adjusting
feature, the sail sets well whether it has no reefs, one reef or two
reefs. Would the method you describe do this too? It might be nice
not to have the strap as it can be hard to get tight enough so it,
with its thimble (or block, if used), doesn't get too close to the
halyard block.
Hope that all makes sense....
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> In G.C. Davies "Practical Boat Sailing for Amateurs" -- no date I
can find
> but looks to be 1880s-1890s or an early 20c reprint of a book from
that
> time --Chapter 8 talks about The Una Boat (UK term for catboat).
>
> "There is but one halyard. One end of this is fast to the gaff,
then passes
> through a double block on the mast, down through a single block on
the gaff
> near the the jaws, up through the double block, and then down the
mast,
> where it generally passes througha block or sheave and leads aft ...
>
> When you haul upon this halyard the gaff goes up at right angles to
the
> mast until the throat is as high as it can go, then the peak
asserts its
> dignity. This ... is in use on Norfolk wherries, and sets their
enormous
> yards to perfection."
>
> This is the same as the setup diagrammed by Conor O'Brien.
>
> You adjust the peak of the gaff by where the halyard ties on - how
far out
> on the gaff.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese
Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
In G.C. Davies "Practical Boat Sailing for Amateurs" -- no date I can find
but looks to be 1880s-1890s or an early 20c reprint of a book from that
time --Chapter 8 talks about The Una Boat (UK term for catboat).
"There is but one halyard. One end of this is fast to the gaff, then passes
through a double block on the mast, down through a single block on the gaff
near the the jaws, up through the double block, and then down the mast,
where it generally passes througha block or sheave and leads aft ...
When you haul upon this halyard the gaff goes up at right angles to the
mast until the throat is as high as it can go, then the peak asserts its
dignity. This ... is in use on Norfolk wherries, and sets their enormous
yards to perfection."
This is the same as the setup diagrammed by Conor O'Brien.
You adjust the peak of the gaff by where the halyard ties on - how far out
on the gaff.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
but looks to be 1880s-1890s or an early 20c reprint of a book from that
time --Chapter 8 talks about The Una Boat (UK term for catboat).
"There is but one halyard. One end of this is fast to the gaff, then passes
through a double block on the mast, down through a single block on the gaff
near the the jaws, up through the double block, and then down the mast,
where it generally passes througha block or sheave and leads aft ...
When you haul upon this halyard the gaff goes up at right angles to the
mast until the throat is as high as it can go, then the peak asserts its
dignity. This ... is in use on Norfolk wherries, and sets their enormous
yards to perfection."
This is the same as the setup diagrammed by Conor O'Brien.
You adjust the peak of the gaff by where the halyard ties on - how far out
on the gaff.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
Hello All
I've been looking at a design that calls for a single halyard on the gaff.
The Halyard runs from the throat of the gaff up to a single block, then down
to a sliding block on a bridle on the gaff, then up through another single
block and down to the deck.
My question is this - how does one get the luff nice and tight, especially
in heavier winds, or does it compensate automatically as the gaff stars to
twist off??
Regards - Foster
I've been looking at a design that calls for a single halyard on the gaff.
The Halyard runs from the throat of the gaff up to a single block, then down
to a sliding block on a bridle on the gaff, then up through another single
block and down to the deck.
My question is this - how does one get the luff nice and tight, especially
in heavier winds, or does it compensate automatically as the gaff stars to
twist off??
Regards - Foster
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