Re: Design #426, Jinni
Jim M reckoned JINNY got along best in moderate (10 - 15kts?)
breezes. IIRC he said he only got about 3 to 4.5mph from her
comfortably. I believe he wrung more at times, but that was not so
enjoyable a ride.
BRICK sails at 3Kts, + or -, comfortably, in a strong breeze to 25Kts
and more. DOUBLE BRICK AND GROUT, has the same beam as JINNI, a
whisker less sail area, and is only 2+ft longer. How much better and
more comfortable than Jinni would it go for the cost of the extra
plywood sheet?
Is there a 16 to 20ft, or so, open garvey by Bolger. There is DEANS
BOX by Michalak with higher sides, more beam, and less sail area than
JINNY for a drier ride. I think a sailing garvey shape would give
some on tacking ability and low wind performance, but the traditional
garvey bottom would have it on speed over the Bolger curves. DOUBLE
BRICK AND GROUT, no doubt really a scow I suppose, comes close...
Any others?
Graeme
breezes. IIRC he said he only got about 3 to 4.5mph from her
comfortably. I believe he wrung more at times, but that was not so
enjoyable a ride.
BRICK sails at 3Kts, + or -, comfortably, in a strong breeze to 25Kts
and more. DOUBLE BRICK AND GROUT, has the same beam as JINNI, a
whisker less sail area, and is only 2+ft longer. How much better and
more comfortable than Jinni would it go for the cost of the extra
plywood sheet?
Is there a 16 to 20ft, or so, open garvey by Bolger. There is DEANS
BOX by Michalak with higher sides, more beam, and less sail area than
JINNY for a drier ride. I think a sailing garvey shape would give
some on tacking ability and low wind performance, but the traditional
garvey bottom would have it on speed over the Bolger curves. DOUBLE
BRICK AND GROUT, no doubt really a scow I suppose, comes close...
Any others?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, c o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
>
> Jim Michalak did build one and then re-rigged it with a lugsail.
> There's a picture on the Cheap Pages.
>
> I was interested in, but never built, an AS-19.
Jim Michalak did build one and then re-rigged it with a lugsail.
There's a picture on the Cheap Pages.
I was interested in, but never built, an AS-19.
There's a picture on the Cheap Pages.
I was interested in, but never built, an AS-19.
On Feb 13, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Clyde Wisner wrote:
> Didn't Jim Michalak build one early on? Craig O'D, is this one of your
> interests? or am I thinking of the AS19. Clyde
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 AM, adventures_in_astrophotography
> > <jon@...<mailto:jon%40kolbsadventures.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told
> me it
> > > was greatly overcanvassed.
> > >
> > > Jon Kolb
> > > www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> >
> > There was a MAIB 'builders' article by Darren Garlock in the mid to
> > late 1990's of a Jinni. Bernie sold the plans in the CSD catalog, so
> > I bet several were built.
> >
> > Also, Burke Liburt (New York) had a Jinni advertised for sale in the
> > MAIB classified ads, circa 2000. And, wow, I agree about the
> > overcanvassing.
> >
> > Photo here
> >
> >http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/
> > <http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/>
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<howardstephenson@...> wrote:
forward well keeps rain drips and damp out of the cockpit, and won't
interfere with a tent. The mizzen maststep design seems problematical
in this regard for Jinny though.
Graeme
<howardstephenson@...> wrote:
> The cat yawl rig seems to be Bolger's favourite. One of itsAlso, for the camping use intended for Jinny, the main mast in the
> advantages is that it still balances when the jib-headed main is
> reefed.
forward well keeps rain drips and damp out of the cockpit, and won't
interfere with a tent. The mizzen maststep design seems problematical
in this regard for Jinny though.
Graeme
For an early appraisal by Jim Michalak of his Jinny (he's added to
this in bits over time): go to Chuck Merrell's "Private Postings"
page, there under "Articles" go to "Instant Boat Builder". Here it is
http://www.boatdesign.com/postings/pages/instantbb.htm(May I
suggest saving the 10 IBb pdf's. Their handy then, and nice to dip
into now and then - also Chuck hasn't done much at his site for quite
a while, and I've not spotted him in other forums, so I'm wondering
just how long the great site he has assembled will remain up.)
InstantBoatbuilder#5,p1, Jinny - Jim Michalak's leeboard. Two others
then being constructed.
IBb#9,p3, JM wrap on Jinny. Ibid,p9, JM Jinny plywood panel cut out
diagrams.
See the IBb index for some other oblique references, plus there may
be more in the text. I very much like Bolger's style in contributing
to this newsletter. His content is good too!
JM's Jinny featured (a pic) in an article on boat-camping by him in
MAIB. That's one of the copies he attaches to his mailed list of
designs. I think in the early 90's he may also have had an article on
the Jinny in MAIB. There's some other articles in the MAIB online
index about Jinny that may be by Bolger (IIRC).
Graeme
PS
BTW Jon, concerning the CARTOON 40, I think I have detected a STRONG
case made out by Bolger supporting leeboards for similar plan view
hull shapes - thick asymetric shaped ones at that, for best going to
windward. This, of course, is against the case he argues in the
Cartoon 40 article. With centreboard removed this would allow
uncramped camping in the cockpit atop the levelled concrete ballast.
The motor attachement he mentioned in reply to a later SBJ letter is
a simple mod that may be pinched from any number of other boats
styles of well. The twelve foot oars for his suggested great rowing
can be in two parts sleeved together - breakdown oars, as for other
designs, will solve their storage problem he raised. PCB seems even
more to me to have been very casual indeed about the Casual Daysailer
(aka Cartoon 40)! It may all add up to be a good multi-boat, even
great. In the stretched version there could be sleep space for two in
the cockpit, like in Wisp and Zephyr, in whatever permutation of head
to toe suits. Minus motor, it could be good for raiding.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
this in bits over time): go to Chuck Merrell's "Private Postings"
page, there under "Articles" go to "Instant Boat Builder". Here it is
http://www.boatdesign.com/postings/pages/instantbb.htm(May I
suggest saving the 10 IBb pdf's. Their handy then, and nice to dip
into now and then - also Chuck hasn't done much at his site for quite
a while, and I've not spotted him in other forums, so I'm wondering
just how long the great site he has assembled will remain up.)
InstantBoatbuilder#5,p1, Jinny - Jim Michalak's leeboard. Two others
then being constructed.
IBb#9,p3, JM wrap on Jinny. Ibid,p9, JM Jinny plywood panel cut out
diagrams.
See the IBb index for some other oblique references, plus there may
be more in the text. I very much like Bolger's style in contributing
to this newsletter. His content is good too!
JM's Jinny featured (a pic) in an article on boat-camping by him in
MAIB. That's one of the copies he attaches to his mailed list of
designs. I think in the early 90's he may also have had an article on
the Jinny in MAIB. There's some other articles in the MAIB online
index about Jinny that may be by Bolger (IIRC).
Graeme
PS
BTW Jon, concerning the CARTOON 40, I think I have detected a STRONG
case made out by Bolger supporting leeboards for similar plan view
hull shapes - thick asymetric shaped ones at that, for best going to
windward. This, of course, is against the case he argues in the
Cartoon 40 article. With centreboard removed this would allow
uncramped camping in the cockpit atop the levelled concrete ballast.
The motor attachement he mentioned in reply to a later SBJ letter is
a simple mod that may be pinched from any number of other boats
styles of well. The twelve foot oars for his suggested great rowing
can be in two parts sleeved together - breakdown oars, as for other
designs, will solve their storage problem he raised. PCB seems even
more to me to have been very casual indeed about the Casual Daysailer
(aka Cartoon 40)! It may all add up to be a good multi-boat, even
great. In the stretched version there could be sleep space for two in
the cockpit, like in Wisp and Zephyr, in whatever permutation of head
to toe suits. Minus motor, it could be good for raiding.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>it
> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me
> was greatly overcanvassed.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Chris Feller <chrisbfeller@...> wrote:
indicates a displacement of about 900 lbs, and boat plus crew total
perhaps 700, which indicates that PCB might have specified interior
ballast under the floor boards. This could explain how she stands up
to the large sail area.
>I am curious if the plans call for any ballast. The waterline
> I have the plans and have considered building one but as yet have not.
indicates a displacement of about 900 lbs, and boat plus crew total
perhaps 700, which indicates that PCB might have specified interior
ballast under the floor boards. This could explain how she stands up
to the large sail area.
Here is a pic of Michalak's Jinni complete with standing lug
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boats.html#Jinni
HJ
Chris Feller wrote:
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boats.html#Jinni
HJ
Chris Feller wrote:
> I have the plans and have considered building one but as yet have not.
> I know that Jim Michalak built and used one extensively. You might
> email him and ask about his experiences. I had the impression that he
> enjoyed it.
>
> Chris Feller
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
> <jon@...> wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
>> was greatly overcanvassed.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>>
>>
>
>
I have the plans and have considered building one but as yet have not.
I know that Jim Michalak built and used one extensively. You might
email him and ask about his experiences. I had the impression that he
enjoyed it.
Chris Feller
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
I know that Jim Michalak built and used one extensively. You might
email him and ask about his experiences. I had the impression that he
enjoyed it.
Chris Feller
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
> was greatly overcanvassed.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
> How about giving her a high-peaked balanced lug main,I think a balanced lug rig might require the mast to be moved aft by a
foot or two, but that seems "doable" with minor modification to the
hatched storage chamber.
Wolfard's catalog shows a photo of a Jinni with an unbattened
mainsail. He says she "offers exciting sailing performance", which
she would, given 123 sq.ft. of sail on a light 15'6" x 4'2" hull.
There is an "oversized rig for light wind power with reef points for
heavier air".
The cat yawl rig seems to be Bolger's favourite. One of its
advantages is that it still balances when the jib-headed main is
reefed.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
mainsail. He says she "offers exciting sailing performance", which
she would, given 123 sq.ft. of sail on a light 15'6" x 4'2" hull.
There is an "oversized rig for light wind power with reef points for
heavier air".
The cat yawl rig seems to be Bolger's favourite. One of its
advantages is that it still balances when the jib-headed main is
reefed.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
>me it
> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told
> was greatly overcanvassed.
Are those full length battens part of the original design?
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 AM, adventures_in_astrophotography
> <jon@...> wrote:
>
>
>> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
>> was greatly overcanvassed.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>>
>
> There was a MAIB 'builders' article by Darren Garlock in the mid to
> late 1990's of a Jinni. Bernie sold the plans in the CSD catalog, so
> I bet several were built.
>
> Also, Burke Liburt (New York) had a Jinni advertised for sale in the
> MAIB classified ads, circa 2000. And, wow, I agree about the
> overcanvassing.
>
> Photo here
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/
>
>
>
Didn't Jim Michalak build one early on? Craig O'D, is this one of your
interests? or am I thinking of the AS19. Clyde
Bruce Hallman wrote:
interests? or am I thinking of the AS19. Clyde
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 AM, adventures_in_astrophotography[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> <jon@...<mailto:jon%40kolbsadventures.com>> wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
> > was greatly overcanvassed.
> >
> > Jon Kolb
> > www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
> There was a MAIB 'builders' article by Darren Garlock in the mid to
> late 1990's of a Jinni. Bernie sold the plans in the CSD catalog, so
> I bet several were built.
>
> Also, Burke Liburt (New York) had a Jinni advertised for sale in the
> MAIB classified ads, circa 2000. And, wow, I agree about the
> overcanvassing.
>
> Photo here
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/
> <http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/>
>
>
Hi Bruce,
How about giving her a high-peaked balanced lug main, like one of
Oughtred's?
Jon
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262668121/Pretty cool. You're a one-man Bolger chronicling machine!
How about giving her a high-peaked balanced lug main, like one of
Oughtred's?
Jon
On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 AM, adventures_in_astrophotography
<jon@...> wrote:
late 1990's of a Jinni. Bernie sold the plans in the CSD catalog, so
I bet several were built.
Also, Burke Liburt (New York) had a Jinni advertised for sale in the
MAIB classified ads, circa 2000. And, wow, I agree about the
overcanvassing.
Photo here
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/
<jon@...> wrote:
>There was a MAIB 'builders' article by Darren Garlock in the mid to
> Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
> was greatly overcanvassed.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
late 1990's of a Jinni. Bernie sold the plans in the CSD catalog, so
I bet several were built.
Also, Burke Liburt (New York) had a Jinni advertised for sale in the
MAIB classified ads, circa 2000. And, wow, I agree about the
overcanvassing.
Photo here
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2262571793/
Anyone ever build or use one of these? Bernie Wolfard once told me it
was greatly overcanvassed.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
was greatly overcanvassed.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm