Re: Boat recommendations
Dear Jackie,
I wouldn't recommend a Teal for what you want to do with her.
She's great for rowing and sailing, however she doesn't have enough
room or capacity for all the stuff you're going to need. One
advantage is that she's a snap to build, and excellent first project
(she was the first boat I built, right out of Payson's book).
I suggest either Surf, or another Bolger design called Jinni. Surf
is a great sailer, has plenty of sprawling room, and sails like mad.
You can't sleep two in her, though. One can, but it'll take a little
thought to get enough flat area to lie down on.
Zephyr would be ideal, but at 20 feet, way out of the cartopping
range.
Jinni was designed as a camp cruiser. She'll sleep two, and has a
nice watertight storage hold. She sails really well, too.
You might look at Cubit on Jim Michelak's site. She's 13 feet, has
a small cuddy, and should have enough capacity to haul two, plus
camping gear, around.
A downside with any boat that's big enough to camp from or in is
that you're getting out of the cartopping weight limit. Surf weighs
about 150 lbs. and I imagine Jinni will come in somewhere around 200
lbs. (six sheets of plywood).
Are you planning to sleep in the boat, or beach her,and set up a
tent ashore? Surf will be great for that. Jinni will, too, plus you
can sleep aboard if there's nowhere to camp ashore.
Good luck with you project. You'll have a ton of fun.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
I wouldn't recommend a Teal for what you want to do with her.
She's great for rowing and sailing, however she doesn't have enough
room or capacity for all the stuff you're going to need. One
advantage is that she's a snap to build, and excellent first project
(she was the first boat I built, right out of Payson's book).
I suggest either Surf, or another Bolger design called Jinni. Surf
is a great sailer, has plenty of sprawling room, and sails like mad.
You can't sleep two in her, though. One can, but it'll take a little
thought to get enough flat area to lie down on.
Zephyr would be ideal, but at 20 feet, way out of the cartopping
range.
Jinni was designed as a camp cruiser. She'll sleep two, and has a
nice watertight storage hold. She sails really well, too.
You might look at Cubit on Jim Michelak's site. She's 13 feet, has
a small cuddy, and should have enough capacity to haul two, plus
camping gear, around.
A downside with any boat that's big enough to camp from or in is
that you're getting out of the cartopping weight limit. Surf weighs
about 150 lbs. and I imagine Jinni will come in somewhere around 200
lbs. (six sheets of plywood).
Are you planning to sleep in the boat, or beach her,and set up a
tent ashore? Surf will be great for that. Jinni will, too, plus you
can sleep aboard if there's nowhere to camp ashore.
Good luck with you project. You'll have a ton of fun.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "J. Poutasse" <jpoutasse@s...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently purchased the two "Instant Boat" books and have decided
to take
> the plunge and send off for the Teal plans.
> This will be my first large woodworking project. My skills are
minimal but I
> have the desire. I also have a father that makes fine furniture and
several
> woodworker friends so help is no more than a short drive or phone
call away.
> I am familiar with canoes and have been canoe camping lots of
times. I am
> not as familiar with sailing (very little as a child many many
years ago).
> So I'm basically a sailing neophyte.
> My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults
with
> camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a
boat that's
> a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
> I don't want to have to trailer a boat because I live in an condo
with on
> street parking so something that cartops is the best for me. (My
car is a
> small wagon)
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jackie
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "J. Poutasse" <jpoutasse@s...> wrote:
called Bookie that might be a good size if you splurge on occume so
you can easily cartop it, particularly if you make it stitch and glue
and keep weight goals in mind all the time. Maybe Piccup would be big
enuf??
> Hi all,with
>
> snip
> My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults
> camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building aboat that's
> a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?You might get the Michalak book on boat design. It has a design in it
called Bookie that might be a good size if you splurge on occume so
you can easily cartop it, particularly if you make it stitch and glue
and keep weight goals in mind all the time. Maybe Piccup would be big
enuf??
My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults
with camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a
boat that's a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
The first day out in our Teal it carried me, my pregnant wife and our
Newfoundland dog. Smooth water, easy winds. The boat moved easily and
predictably
I've also sailed her off the beach with swell, 15k wind and the chop
you'd expect would come with it. Alone this is fun, with a passenger
it gets a little dicey.
If I had it to do over again, I've have build a surf or a zephyr. Not
that much more work, quite a bit more boat.
I still love lil'winnie however. Just gave her topsides a good
sanding and fresh coat of paint and replaced the forward thwart which
cracked when the mast got away from me late last fall.
I cartop the teal on a honda civic with a hill-billy rack. With a
real rack I don't think the surf would be a problem, the zephyr I'm
not so sure.
Lastly, don't worry too much about picking the right boat. No matter
which you choose, you're going to be ordering plans for the next
before the paint dries.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 247-0296
with camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a
boat that's a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
The first day out in our Teal it carried me, my pregnant wife and our
Newfoundland dog. Smooth water, easy winds. The boat moved easily and
predictably
I've also sailed her off the beach with swell, 15k wind and the chop
you'd expect would come with it. Alone this is fun, with a passenger
it gets a little dicey.
If I had it to do over again, I've have build a surf or a zephyr. Not
that much more work, quite a bit more boat.
I still love lil'winnie however. Just gave her topsides a good
sanding and fresh coat of paint and replaced the forward thwart which
cracked when the mast got away from me late last fall.
I cartop the teal on a honda civic with a hill-billy rack. With a
real rack I don't think the surf would be a problem, the zephyr I'm
not so sure.
Lastly, don't worry too much about picking the right boat. No matter
which you choose, you're going to be ordering plans for the next
before the paint dries.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 247-0296
Hi all,
I recently purchased the two "Instant Boat" books and have decided to take the plunge and send off for the Teal plans.
This will be my first large woodworking project. My skills are minimal but I have the desire. I also have a father that makes fine furniture and several woodworker friends so help is no more than a short drive or phone call away.
I am familiar with canoes and have been canoe camping lots of times. I am not as familiar with sailing (very little as a child many many years ago). So I'm basically a sailing neophyte.
My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults with camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a boat that's a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
I don't want to have to trailer a boat because I live in an condo with on street parking so something that cartops is the best for me. (My car is a small wagon)
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jackie