Re: [bolger] Boat recommendations
Greetings Jackie. Others on this list might groan and roll their eyes at my
onces again flogging the virtues of June Bug. But your delima begs the
option. She's as easy to build as Teal. I've cartopped mine extensively with
F-150 and Saturn sedan. Two people and a load of camping gear would be no
problem at all. She has stability that greatly lowers the odds of dumping.
She'll sail right onto a beach with an onshore wind and two to three foot
waves without mishap (rudder and leaboard up, steered with oar). I build
mine with plans and the original Build the Instant Boats, adapting HHP's
Teal step-by-steps for the purpose. Build the New Instant Boats, of course,
devotes a chapter to June Bug. Best of luck.
jeb, relishing real summer at last on the shores of Fundy.
At 09:59 AM 6/30/2000 -0000, you wrote:
onces again flogging the virtues of June Bug. But your delima begs the
option. She's as easy to build as Teal. I've cartopped mine extensively with
F-150 and Saturn sedan. Two people and a load of camping gear would be no
problem at all. She has stability that greatly lowers the odds of dumping.
She'll sail right onto a beach with an onshore wind and two to three foot
waves without mishap (rudder and leaboard up, steered with oar). I build
mine with plans and the original Build the Instant Boats, adapting HHP's
Teal step-by-steps for the purpose. Build the New Instant Boats, of course,
devotes a chapter to June Bug. Best of luck.
jeb, relishing real summer at last on the shores of Fundy.
At 09:59 AM 6/30/2000 -0000, you wrote:
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> 1. Re: Re: Building from book plans/drawings.
> From: G Carlson <ghartc@...>
> 2. Re: Re: Fiberglass butt joints
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
> 3. Fun Noodle Rub rail
> From: "Vince Chew" <vachew@...>
> 4. Re: Re: Light Dory Evaluation
> From: david <galvind@...>
> 5. Boatbuilding, Anyone?
> From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
> 6. Re: Re: Boat recommendations
> From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
> 7. Re: Eeek!
> From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
> 8. Re: Re: Light Dory Evaluation
> From: "Harry W. James" <welshman@...>
> 9. Martha Jane ballast
> From:col_mooney@...
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>Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:28:06 -0500
> From: G Carlson <ghartc@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Building from book plans/drawings.
>
>This question was flogged to death in "Re: [bolger] Copyright" - let's
>return to the topic of boat building.
>
>Gregg Carlson, moderator
>
>>Quoting from the inside of the book jacket of SMALL BOATS
>>by Philip C. bolger, copyright date 1973: "Though this is
>>in part a dreamer's book, it is eminently practical. There
>>are enough plans and specifications to build every boat
>>discussed -- all 31 of them. Phil Bolger recommends the
>>types of wood to use, provides scantlings, and, in may
>>cases, shows details of hard to fabricate items. In quite
>>a few of the designs, he suggests building sequences if
>>they are not readily apparent.
>>
>>Quoting again from the preface of the same book: "Books
>>like this one tend to hang around indefinitely, no matter
>>whether they're good or bad. If you're reading this in the
>>year 2025, you might bear in mind that not only have I
>>been dead for quite some time, but if I found a mistake in
>>these plans in, say 1975, I have no way to let you know
>>about it. Be sure there are some; it's up to the builder
>>to catch and correct them."
>>
>> This sounds to me like Bolger is not opposed to the idea
>>of building from the book. In fact the quote from the book
>>jacket is using this very possibility to entice the
>>bookstore browser.
>>
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>Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:34:45 -0500
> From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Fiberglass butt joints
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rich Deming" <thedemings@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 8:24 PM
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Dory Evaluation
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>
>> Thanks Jake,
>> I have seen pictures of butting with fiberglass and epoxy only but
>> have been very skeptical of it. Heck I'm game to try it out. I really
>> want to use marine ply on that one and if I don'r butcher the wood,
>> brightside most of it. How would the glass butt look unpainted?
>>
>
>They are invisible. The test joints I made always broke in the plywood away
>from the glass, and I was putting the pressure on the joint. This is with
>3/8 superply and one layer of 6oz glass on each side, cut with the weave.
>
>I have heard from one guy who said his would break in the glass, I would bet
>that it all depends on the strength of the wood, he was using pine, CDX.
>Make test joints, and break them.
>
>Also, you can double the strength of the joint by using bias glass, or
>cutting strips from cloth at a 45 degree angle to the weave. (all glass
>fibers will then cross the joint)
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:04:06 -0000
> From: "Vince Chew" <vachew@...>
>Subject: Fun Noodle Rub rail
>
>My Tortoise has been a great dinghy except for the racket it makes
>banging up against my sailboat hull. Reading the posts about Fun
>Noodles gave me a solution. I attached a collar of orange fun Noodles
>($1.89 each at the local K-Mart). I used plastic electric cable ties.
>
>I have an outboard motor mount on my Tortoise. It goes great with my
>old 2 hp Johnson. When my wife and I use it to putter around the
>harbor in protected water, I sit on the after deck and steer, no
>hands, by leaning in the direction I want to turn.
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>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:34:06 -0700
> From: david <galvind@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Light Dory Evaluation
>
>Rick,
> A technique I have used to eliminate evidence of the external taping on a
>bright finished boat is to glass the entire panel with 4 or 6 oz. glass on
>the outside prior to assembly, along with taping the butt on the inside.
>This eliminates the extra layer of glass tape and makes the transition more
>subtle. Of course, it is only viable if you intend to glass the whole hull
>anyway. It is also worth a little effort to choose plywood panels with
>roughly the same color and grain for matching. I have found that dark panels
>conceal the butt joint better than light panels. A dark stain applied to the
>panels prior to epoxy and glassing might achieve this effect, as well, but I
>haven't tried it. If you try this be careful not to stain the end grain at
>the butt edges too much.
> I applaud your effort. There doesn't seem to be any examples of a bright
>finished light dory around, and the sweetness of the design's lines would be
>augmented by such "gold plater" treatment,
>Thanks,
>david m galvin
>
>>
>> ....I have seen pictures of butting with fiberglass and epoxy only but
>> have been very skeptical of it. Heck I'm game to try it out. I really
>> want to use marine ply on that one and if I don'r butcher the wood,
>> brightside most of it. How would the glass butt look unpainted?...
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>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:06:04 -0500
> From: "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@...>
>Subject: Boatbuilding, Anyone?
>
>Now that we have settled the copyright and polycarbonate matters, I'm back
>to boatbuilding - just in time for the monsoon here in NW Florida.
>
>We still have two Nymphs under construction (obligatory Bolger reference),
>and my Sweet Caroline. Both projects are at the "interminable sanding"
>phase. On the SC, I have trowelled on two coats of thickened resin, sanded
>after each, and brushed on one coat of resin neat. After sanding this last
>coat, I remembered someone saying "Everyone has a different tolerance for
>sanding, you will know when you reach yours." Well, I reached it yesterday
>and applied the first coat of 100% acylic latex primer. Although it has
>been in the damp today, I went by and checked it for sandability. The
>primer really loads the paper fast, and maybe it will harden more if we
>could skip the rain for a few days. The small area that I sanded is really
>smoothing up nicely, so maybe my tolerance was long enough in the fairing
>phase after all.
>
>My temporary shelter was intended to last through May at the latest, and it
>is showing real distress on the side exposed to the sun. UV is breaking
>down the polytarp and rain is seeping through, then dripping off the
>interior stringers. I will have to cover/uncover the SC until I finish the
>boat or rework the shelter. One thing I know, I WON'T go aloft on the
>flimsy scaffold I used to erect the shelter!
>
>More as progress dictates...
>
>Don Hodges, whose Nymph-building buddy returns tomorrow after 2 weeks in
>Europe
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>Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:23:43 -0700
> From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Boat recommendations
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>Pete:
>
>That's good advice.
>
>But Zepher is possible to cartop, if your car is long
>enough. It's true the length makes that a little easier.
>
>Mark
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>pmcrannell@...wrote:
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>> Dear Jackie,
>
>
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend a Teal for what you want to do with her.
>> She's great for rowing and sailing, however she doesn't have enough
>> room or capacity for all the stuff you're going to need. One
>> advantage is that she's a snap to build, and excellent first project
>> (she was the first boat I built, right out of Payson's book).
>>
>> I suggest either Surf, or another Bolger design called Jinni. Surf
>> is a great sailer, has plenty of sprawling room, and sails like mad.
>> You can't sleep two in her, though. One can, but it'll take a little
>> thought to get enough flat area to lie down on.
>>
>> Zephyr would be ideal, but at 20 feet, way out of the cartopping
>> range.
>>
>> Jinni was designed as a camp cruiser. She'll sleep two, and has a
>> nice watertight storage hold. She sails really well, too.
>>
>> You might look at Cubit on Jim Michelak's site. She's 13 feet, has
>> a small cuddy, and should have enough capacity to haul two, plus
>> camping gear, around.
>>
>> A downside with any boat that's big enough to camp from or in is
>> that you're getting out of the cartopping weight limit. Surf weighs
>> about 150 lbs. and I imagine Jinni will come in somewhere around 200
>> lbs. (six sheets of plywood).
>>
>> Are you planning to sleep in the boat, or beach her,and set up a
>> tent ashore? Surf will be great for that. Jinni will, too, plus you
>> can sleep aboard if there's nowhere to camp ashore.
>>
>> Good luck with you project. You'll have a ton of fun.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Pete Reynolds
>>
>> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "J. Poutasse" <jpoutasse@s...> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I recently purchased the two "Instant Boat" books and have decided
>> to take
>> > the plunge and send off for the Teal plans.
>> > This will be my first large woodworking project. My skills are
>> minimal but I
>> > have the desire. I also have a father that makes fine furniture and
>> several
>> > woodworker friends so help is no more than a short drive or phone
>> call away.
>> > I am familiar with canoes and have been canoe camping lots of
>> times. I am
>> > not as familiar with sailing (very little as a child many many
>> years ago).
>> > So I'm basically a sailing neophyte.
>> > My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults
>> with
>> > camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a
>> boat that's
>> > a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
>> > I don't want to have to trailer a boat because I live in an condo
>> with on
>> > street parking so something that cartops is the best for me. (My
>> car is a
>> > small wagon)
>> >
>> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jackie
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>Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:25:53 -0700
> From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
>Subject: Re: Eeek!
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>Mathew:
>
>I have a planset that came from Phil 15 years ago of the
>midsize boat like that. I was full of the idea of the
>economy sea cruiser that Eeek's the model for already, and
>there was a picture in the fanzine part of WoodenBoat...
>
>Anhinga is 23' 3" x by 5' x 7". It's cousin most to Martha
>Jane, but lighter, made from 1/4" or 3/8" ply, with 3
>bulkheads, one frame and two temporary molds. The 500#
>ballast tank is under the cockpit. Their are oar ports.
>Inside is incredibly roomy, with the pot in the eyes of the
>boat and no obstructions anywhere. Thought I might get the
>hull out of 5-6 hundred pounds of stuff. The rig's a 140'
>leg 'o mutton sprit.
>
>Birdwatcher was proposed as an alternative.
>
>I think there was only one Anhinga built. That configuration
>may have given way to the more usual stern of Martha Jane in
>it's size, Loose Moose II in the larger, and the MAIB Peero from
>http://www.friend.ly.net/user-homepages/d/dadadata/boats.html
> as the evolution of Eeek. There's a picture of one of these
>floating around as a trimaran...
>
>The prototype Eeek was also used with water ballast. In his
>letter to me the designer said, "The Eeek canoe is not much
>of a boat, but its behavior suggested that a bigger version
>would be respectable."
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>Matthew Long wrote:
>>
>> Well, I am inordinately proud of myself since, despite the chaos of
>> an
>> upcoming family move overseas, I managed to complete my collection of
>> Bolger books with a recent score on Advanced Book Exchange <http://
>> abebooks.com>.
>>
>> I keep coming back to the sailing canoe Eeek! from 30-ODD BOATS and I
>> am wondering if anyone can answer these questions:
>>
>> 1) Does anyone out there have any first-hand experience with this
>> design that they could share?
>>
>> 2) Could the boat be sailed by two peope for brief jaunts in calm
>> conditions, with or without ballast?
>>
>> 3) Did anything ever come of the no-rocker-aft double-ended sharpie
>> of
>> which Eeek! was a scale model?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> PS--Our Brick "Tetard" has been sold <sniff!> to another member of
>> the
>> list, Lincoln Ross. He promised me some feedback in this group
>> about
>> sailing the boat in the near future. Stay tuned!
>>
>> Matthew, Agnès & Fletcher Peillet-Long
>> Jamaica Plain, MA USA
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>Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:03:51 -0800
> From: "Harry W. James" <welshman@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Light Dory Evaluation
>
>I have tried various ways of fiberglass butts, including
>Payson's. In my latest cartopper venture I used 6" wide 1/2"
>thick melamine (spelling suspect) strips, a little over 4' long
>as the outer parts of a sandwich. I set down a melamine strip,
>put down wax paper over it, laid down a strip of fiberglass tape,
>wetted that out with epoxy, carefully placed the two pieces of
>plywood to be butted on the fiberglass, laid down another layer
>of tape and wetted that out then came wax paper and another
>melamine strip. I then used sheet rock screws to pull the whole
>thing together. The melamine is very smooth, and the butt joints
>came out likewise. If you gave a little thought to where you wee
>going to cut on the panels, you could probably screw through in
>between parts. I plan on filling and painting so I didn't care if
>I had a screw hole in the middle of a panel.
>Of course I didn't photograph any of this so verbal is going to
>have to do.
>
>HJ
>>
>> Thanks Jake,
>> I have seen pictures of butting with fiberglass and epoxy only but
>> have been very skeptical of it. Heck I'm game to try it out. I really
>> want to use marine ply on that one and if I don'r butcher the wood,
>> brightside most of it. How would the glass butt look unpainted?
>>
>> Thats the problem with any other method, scarfing makes the length to
>> short or but blocks stick out like a sore thumb on this design? I
>> used butt blocks on my Pointy Skiff and don't like them at all.
>> Rich
>>
>>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:44:41 -0000
> From:col_mooney@...
>Subject: Martha Jane ballast
>
>
>I have been following the ballast discussion with interest, i.e. more
>is better, but I'd like to keep my intended MJ as light as possible
>for trailering. I'm still unsure if I want to increase the ballast,
>I have sailed on a MJ built from the original plans and thought she
>was great. If I do decide to build mine with more ballast, would
>there be any drawbacks in stretching the water ballast tanks to give
>an equivalent water weight to that proposed for solid ballast? I
>haven't read the MAIB discussion on the updates yet, maybe its
>mentioned in there, but until then, can someone outline any pro's or
>cons?
>
> Col Mooney
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Jackie,
More challenging to build than your average Bolger or Michalak
design, but dead easy to heft to the top of anything smaller than a
schoolbus, Platt Monfort designs featherweight boats that can be
built in a living room (without destroying the room). Most of his
boats require steam bent frames, but a few have straight frames.
Check out his Blivit 13 and Cricket 12. I wouldn't say that you can
sleep in any of his designs, but my kids and I have slept *under*
the 18' Snowshoe Voyager Canoe we built to his plans. That boat
weighs about 45 lbs because I reinforced the Dacron skin with a
layer of 6 oz. fiberglass (there are lots of sharp rocks in
Adirondack lakes). Previous to reinforcing it weighed 39 lbs.
Mr. Monfort's current designs can be seen at:
<http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/>. He also has other
designs not shown on the site. You can call or write him. Both he
and his wife are very friendly and helpful, and seem anxious to see
their customers projects succeed,
Thanks,
david m galvin
More challenging to build than your average Bolger or Michalak
design, but dead easy to heft to the top of anything smaller than a
schoolbus, Platt Monfort designs featherweight boats that can be
built in a living room (without destroying the room). Most of his
boats require steam bent frames, but a few have straight frames.
Check out his Blivit 13 and Cricket 12. I wouldn't say that you can
sleep in any of his designs, but my kids and I have slept *under*
the 18' Snowshoe Voyager Canoe we built to his plans. That boat
weighs about 45 lbs because I reinforced the Dacron skin with a
layer of 6 oz. fiberglass (there are lots of sharp rocks in
Adirondack lakes). Previous to reinforcing it weighed 39 lbs.
Mr. Monfort's current designs can be seen at:
<http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com/>. He also has other
designs not shown on the site. You can call or write him. Both he
and his wife are very friendly and helpful, and seem anxious to see
their customers projects succeed,
Thanks,
david m galvin
J. Poutasse wrote:
Hi all,
I recently purchased the two "Instant Boat" books and
have decided to take the plunge and send off for the Teal plans.
This will be my first large woodworking project. My skills
are minimal but I have the desire. I also have a father that makes fine
furniture and several woodworker friends so help is no more than a short
drive or phone call away.
I am familiar with canoes and have been canoe camping lots of times. I am not as familiar with sailing (very little as a child many many years ago). So I'm basically a sailing neophyte.
My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults with camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a boat that's a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?
I don't want to have to trailer a boat because I live in an condo with on street parking so something that cartops is the best for me. (My car is a small wagon)
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jackie
Bolger rules!!!
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If you're going to go this route, you might try contacting George
Dyson. He has some MUCH heavier fabrics which probably don't need to
be reinforced. I suspect Monfort's Classic 14 (if that's the name)
would be suitable for sailing, rowing, and camping, but I don't know
about sleeping in it. I wonder if Bolger has done any skin on frame
boats?
Dyson, Baidarka and Co.
435 W. Holly St
Bellingham WA 98225 360- 734- 9226
Dyson. He has some MUCH heavier fabrics which probably don't need to
be reinforced. I suspect Monfort's Classic 14 (if that's the name)
would be suitable for sailing, rowing, and camping, but I don't know
about sleeping in it. I wonder if Bolger has done any skin on frame
boats?
Dyson, Baidarka and Co.
435 W. Holly St
Bellingham WA 98225 360- 734- 9226
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, david <galvind@w...> wrote:
snip Platt Monfort designs snip. That boat
> weighs about 45 lbs because I reinforced the Dacron skin with a
> layer of 6 oz. fiberglass (there are lots of sharp rocks in
> Adirondack lakes). snip
Jackie,
I have had a couple years experience with a June Bug. It is very simple to
build. Payson's book is GREAT.
Under sail and oar, two people are somewhat crowded. I think the JB may be
slightly larger than a Teal. The JuneBug is 4 sheets of plywood. If you
committ to 4 sheets of plywood, the WindSprint becomes an attractive design
for room. You mentioned cartopping and that may eliminate any or all "4
sheet" boats. They will be close to 150#s made with Souther Yellow Pine and
probably 30#s less in AC Fir. I just built a "2 sheet" Pirogua in Luan and
it came in at 35#s. I have not been involved in cartopping for over 40
years and had forgotten how convenient that can be!!! Based upon that, 4
sheets in Luan could be done at about 100#s. Not sure how that works in
cartopping.
Tim - Spring, TX - the one that cannot make Tadpoles Fly!
I have had a couple years experience with a June Bug. It is very simple to
build. Payson's book is GREAT.
Under sail and oar, two people are somewhat crowded. I think the JB may be
slightly larger than a Teal. The JuneBug is 4 sheets of plywood. If you
committ to 4 sheets of plywood, the WindSprint becomes an attractive design
for room. You mentioned cartopping and that may eliminate any or all "4
sheet" boats. They will be close to 150#s made with Souther Yellow Pine and
probably 30#s less in AC Fir. I just built a "2 sheet" Pirogua in Luan and
it came in at 35#s. I have not been involved in cartopping for over 40
years and had forgotten how convenient that can be!!! Based upon that, 4
sheets in Luan could be done at about 100#s. Not sure how that works in
cartopping.
Tim - Spring, TX - the one that cannot make Tadpoles Fly!
In a message dated 06/29/2000 9:<BR43:<BR21 AM
Eastern Daylight ,jpoutasse@...writes:
A lot depends upon your resolve and ability to stand close quarters. Also
important is the sort of water you have.
I've sailed and rowed a Teal with another adult aboard (two men in the 200
lb. ea. range). It was all the boat could manage in calm water. I really
think of the Teal as 1 adult, 1 child, though it obviously can handle more
under good conditions.
If I were choosing a boat for your application, I'd go for Windsprint or
Zephyr, but I thik the latter may be too long for you. Either of these will
handle the load and the bulk for your intended purpose.
I'd also suggest that you go to Jim Michalak's site and devour it. there is a
lot of good info there relating to your questions. The site is like a short
course on boat design, building, and use. As a matter of fact, if you order
his catalog, there are useful articles on boat camping, oarmaking,
sailmaking, etc.
Back to the topic, Teal is a really quick build. maybe you should build her
and give it a try...."suck it and see" as the English say :-)
Cheers/Step
Eastern Daylight ,jpoutasse@...writes:
> My question is will the Teal be large enough to handle two adults withthat's
> camping gear for a day or two or should I think about building a boat
> a little bit bigger or of a diff. configuration?Jackie,
> I don't want to have to trailer a boat because I live in an condo with on
> street parking so something that cartops is the best for me. (My car is a
> small wagon)
A lot depends upon your resolve and ability to stand close quarters. Also
important is the sort of water you have.
I've sailed and rowed a Teal with another adult aboard (two men in the 200
lb. ea. range). It was all the boat could manage in calm water. I really
think of the Teal as 1 adult, 1 child, though it obviously can handle more
under good conditions.
If I were choosing a boat for your application, I'd go for Windsprint or
Zephyr, but I thik the latter may be too long for you. Either of these will
handle the load and the bulk for your intended purpose.
I'd also suggest that you go to Jim Michalak's site and devour it. there is a
lot of good info there relating to your questions. The site is like a short
course on boat design, building, and use. As a matter of fact, if you order
his catalog, there are useful articles on boat camping, oarmaking,
sailmaking, etc.
Back to the topic, Teal is a really quick build. maybe you should build her
and give it a try...."suck it and see" as the English say :-)
Cheers/Step