Fiddler 3 plus

Hey Bruce I was looking over on your photo site and saw this with the Fiddler 3 remderings www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2281817417/in/photostream/ I see there has been a fairing added to the fwd box keel and hull. Is the idea to control pounding in a chop or slapping when at anchor? If it does one it would do the other as well.... I think I just answered my own question.

Blessings Krissie


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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2298529173/in/photostream/
>
> I had noticed the Payson Pirogue in passing, and have built both a
> Kotick and a Yellow Leaf, which similar, yet bracket the PP. I took
a
> closer look

Hi Bruce,

Nice work,as usual! The over head view(image number 6) appears to
show a canoe with some tumblehome and retrouser ends. Green is one of
my favorite colours but I think the design program you are using likes
it more then me :-)

Peter
I built one of these probably 12 years ago out of (gasp) luan plywood. Still together. Once you get use to the low initial stability, and trust the boat, It is a good ride. I even took it a mile out into Lake Michigan. I had to return to shore because the speed boats were not watching out for me very well, and after the second near miss, I called it a day. But the boat preforms well. I should really clean it up, and use it this spring.

Rick B.



----- Original Message ----
From: Harry James <welshman@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:34:31 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Payson Pirogue

Your right typical Bolger with the amount of extra thought and effort
in what looks like just a canoe. Its done without effort or even
comment on his part, just like breathing.

HJ

Bruce Hallman wrote:
>http://www.flickrcom/photos/ hallman/22985291 73/in/photostrea m/
>
> I had noticed the Payson Pirogue in passing, and have built both a
> Kotick and a Yellow Leaf, which similar, yet bracket the PP. I took a
> closer look at the PP recently and was surprised at the sophistication
> and refinement of that shape. For instance the widened stem and stern
> posts give capacity without added weight. The 'five panel' hull
> construction gives smooth hydrodynamics. The partial length gunnel
> reinforcement is optimized for maximum strength with minimum weight.
> Indeed the 13 foot size is chosen to his a perfect strength to weight
> sweet spot. As so often happens when I look at PCB's designs, there
> is more to see than meets the eye.
>
>
>





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> You built the Kotick? That's strip built. How did that go?

Yes, it was much easier and quicker to build that I anticipated. My
inexperience (my first strip built boat) caused it to come out
weighing perhaps 25% more than necessary, but even so, it is a
spectacular flat water kayak. I love it.
"looks like...a canoe" That's cause it is, basically, a canoe...or
is certainly more canoish than piroguish....the classic Cajun pirough of the
Bayou Country is hard chined and flat bottomed...

Tyson in Galveston


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Your right typical Bolger with the amount of extra thought and effort
in what looks like just a canoe. Its done without effort or even
comment on his part, just like breathing.

HJ

Bruce Hallman wrote:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2298529173/in/photostream/
>
> I had noticed the Payson Pirogue in passing, and have built both a
> Kotick and a Yellow Leaf, which similar, yet bracket the PP. I took a
> closer look at the PP recently and was surprised at the sophistication
> and refinement of that shape. For instance the widened stem and stern
> posts give capacity without added weight. The 'five panel' hull
> construction gives smooth hydrodynamics. The partial length gunnel
> reinforcement is optimized for maximum strength with minimum weight.
> Indeed the 13 foot size is chosen to his a perfect strength to weight
> sweet spot. As so often happens when I look at PCB's designs, there
> is more to see than meets the eye.
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:

Bruce, I completely agree. I have plans, wood, paint and will start
on the Payson Pirogue soon. From BWAOM, Bolger wrote, "..since the
point of a boat like this is easy carrying, I would call anything
over 40 pounds a failure." In my mind I'm thinking of cartopping the
Pirogue to a quiet lake and managing a short portage to the lake. It
caught my attention enough that I'm going to try it, even the little
girder gunwale brace, though I wonder how many builders make those to
plan.

You built the Kotick? That's strip built. How did that go?

Charles Rouse

>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2298529173/in/photostream/
>
> I had noticed the Payson Pirogue in passing, and have built both a
> Kotick and a Yellow Leaf, which similar, yet bracket the PP. I
took a
> closer look at the PP recently and was surprised at the
sophistication
> and refinement of that shape. For instance the widened stem and
stern
> posts give capacity without added weight. The 'five panel' hull
> construction gives smooth hydrodynamics. The partial length gunnel
> reinforcement is optimized for maximum strength with minimum weight.
> Indeed the 13 foot size is chosen to his a perfect strength to
weight
> sweet spot. As so often happens when I look at PCB's designs,
there
> is more to see than meets the eye.
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2298529173/in/photostream/

I had noticed the Payson Pirogue in passing, and have built both a
Kotick and a Yellow Leaf, which similar, yet bracket the PP. I took a
closer look at the PP recently and was surprised at the sophistication
and refinement of that shape. For instance the widened stem and stern
posts give capacity without added weight. The 'five panel' hull
construction gives smooth hydrodynamics. The partial length gunnel
reinforcement is optimized for maximum strength with minimum weight.
Indeed the 13 foot size is chosen to his a perfect strength to weight
sweet spot. As so often happens when I look at PCB's designs, there
is more to see than meets the eye.