Re: Pirogue 16 Plans
About as stable as a big aluminum canoe, which is a lot more stable
than the other Bolger pirogues, I take it. I never capsized it, but I
assumed it would go over if heeled enough to bring the water to the
side decks with the crew sitting low on the bottom. I never tried the
59 sq ft sail, but I know that's what LaRowe ended up with on his
pirogue -- I bought the original 39 ft sail from him and still have
it, though the boat is gone. I think it would be a better sail in most
ways. Besides being larger it should set better than a loose footed
spritsail. The spars won't fit inside the cockpit like the original would.
The leeboard is a kludge, ugly but not too inconvenient. I always
wondered what would break if I hit a stump or rock; I hoped it would
be the board. If I build the boat again I'll put in a daggerboard case
as near the chine as possible and a kick-up rudder so the rudder can
be rigged before launching. And mainly I'd make every effort to build
the hull lighter. The only really bad feature of the boat is its
weight out of the water.
As an aside, I think that the boats that Bolger designed for Elrow
LaRowe are a high point in the kind of masterful, elegant, and maybe
aggressive, simplicity that he doesn't do anymore -- I guess because
he's already done it. Look at the designs: Micro, Brick, Oldshoe, and
I believe Birdwatcher. The pirogue isn't such a classic, but it is a
likeable boat.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
than the other Bolger pirogues, I take it. I never capsized it, but I
assumed it would go over if heeled enough to bring the water to the
side decks with the crew sitting low on the bottom. I never tried the
59 sq ft sail, but I know that's what LaRowe ended up with on his
pirogue -- I bought the original 39 ft sail from him and still have
it, though the boat is gone. I think it would be a better sail in most
ways. Besides being larger it should set better than a loose footed
spritsail. The spars won't fit inside the cockpit like the original would.
The leeboard is a kludge, ugly but not too inconvenient. I always
wondered what would break if I hit a stump or rock; I hoped it would
be the board. If I build the boat again I'll put in a daggerboard case
as near the chine as possible and a kick-up rudder so the rudder can
be rigged before launching. And mainly I'd make every effort to build
the hull lighter. The only really bad feature of the boat is its
weight out of the water.
As an aside, I think that the boats that Bolger designed for Elrow
LaRowe are a high point in the kind of masterful, elegant, and maybe
aggressive, simplicity that he doesn't do anymore -- I guess because
he's already done it. Look at the designs: Micro, Brick, Oldshoe, and
I believe Birdwatcher. The pirogue isn't such a classic, but it is a
likeable boat.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> thanks very much for the report on the CSD Pirogue. Interesting, that
> it's so stable. In your opinion, would the side decks save the day
> often, or would it just as likely go all the way over once they are
> beginning to heel under? You say it's undercanvassed - how much
> and /or what type sail do you think would better suit? Could the
> standard PCB 59sqft sharpie sail do better, or would that one be too
> tall? Oh, how did you find the leeboard mount to be?
>
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Bevington <mike_bevington@>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is the Common Sense Designs Pirogue. I built one 20 years ago
> with
> > plans I got from Elrow LaRowe, the originator of the design. It's a
> very
> > nice boat, cartopable but very heavy for cartopping. Undercanvassed
> with
> > the designed 39 sq ft sail. It rows well, though the outriggers
> make it
> > clumsy to bring alongside a dock. Quite stable -- you can stand in
> it.
> > Very safe, I thought, with a large amount of foam flotation at both
> > ends. And the center section is 8' long and, if you don't put in
> the
> > permanent thwart, wide open and very comfortable for sleeping. The
> plans
> > I have are on two sheets, not one.
>
Mike,
thanks very much for the report on the CSD Pirogue. Interesting, that
it's so stable. In your opinion, would the side decks save the day
often, or would it just as likely go all the way over once they are
beginning to heel under? You say it's undercanvassed - how much
and /or what type sail do you think would better suit? Could the
standard PCB 59sqft sharpie sail do better, or would that one be too
tall? Oh, how did you find the leeboard mount to be?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Bevington <mike_bevington@...>
wrote:
thanks very much for the report on the CSD Pirogue. Interesting, that
it's so stable. In your opinion, would the side decks save the day
often, or would it just as likely go all the way over once they are
beginning to heel under? You say it's undercanvassed - how much
and /or what type sail do you think would better suit? Could the
standard PCB 59sqft sharpie sail do better, or would that one be too
tall? Oh, how did you find the leeboard mount to be?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Bevington <mike_bevington@...>
wrote:
>with
> This is the Common Sense Designs Pirogue. I built one 20 years ago
> plans I got from Elrow LaRowe, the originator of the design. It's avery
> nice boat, cartopable but very heavy for cartopping. Undercanvassedwith
> the designed 39 sq ft sail. It rows well, though the outriggersmake it
> clumsy to bring alongside a dock. Quite stable -- you can stand init.
> Very safe, I thought, with a large amount of foam flotation at boththe
> ends. And the center section is 8' long and, if you don't put in
> permanent thwart, wide open and very comfortable for sleeping. Theplans
> I have are on two sheets, not one.
This is the Common Sense Designs Pirogue. I built one 20 years ago with
plans I got from Elrow LaRowe, the originator of the design. It's a very
nice boat, cartopable but very heavy for cartopping. Undercanvassed with
the designed 39 sq ft sail. It rows well, though the outriggers make it
clumsy to bring alongside a dock. Quite stable -- you can stand in it.
Very safe, I thought, with a large amount of foam flotation at both
ends. And the center section is 8' long and, if you don't put in the
permanent thwart, wide open and very comfortable for sleeping. The plans
I have are on two sheets, not one.
graeme19121984 wrote:
plans I got from Elrow LaRowe, the originator of the design. It's a very
nice boat, cartopable but very heavy for cartopping. Undercanvassed with
the designed 39 sq ft sail. It rows well, though the outriggers make it
clumsy to bring alongside a dock. Quite stable -- you can stand in it.
Very safe, I thought, with a large amount of foam flotation at both
ends. And the center section is 8' long and, if you don't put in the
permanent thwart, wide open and very comfortable for sleeping. The plans
I have are on two sheets, not one.
graeme19121984 wrote:
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