Re: [bolger] Shoebox
> I think that the plans do not callI think you're right Bruce. From what I read, Shoebox is the same size
> for foam in the air chambers
and shape as Breakdown Punt, which is clearly a heavier boat because of
the extra materials needed to make it in three pieces. In fact, I
think Bolger said if you don't need the breakdown capability just build
a Shoebox.
I think Shoebox would be ideal for one person, and less ideal for two --
but still provide a very safe "unsinkable" feeling even with two people
in the boat.
One thing that interests me in this design is his comment that the
vertical tramsoms are drier in boats like these because they start to
lift sooner as waves approach, so less of the wave ends up inside the
boat.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
Hi Bruce,
I built a Shoebox as a tender for my 27' sailboat. All in all a
Tortoise wins hands down. It is true that you can flip in an get back
in with just a cup of water in it. For rowing with 2 people it's
crowded and 2 people is enough to submerge the bow transom making for
slow going. The weight is probably a bit heavier than a Tortoise. The
best idea was the rails to put the seats on. I put 1X1s in the inside
of my Tortoise hull for the same purpose.
Reed
I built a Shoebox as a tender for my 27' sailboat. All in all a
Tortoise wins hands down. It is true that you can flip in an get back
in with just a cup of water in it. For rowing with 2 people it's
crowded and 2 people is enough to submerge the bow transom making for
slow going. The weight is probably a bit heavier than a Tortoise. The
best idea was the rails to put the seats on. I put 1X1s in the inside
of my Tortoise hull for the same purpose.
Reed
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM, James Hagan <hagan@...> wrote:
Perhaps another way to save five pound would be to use some 1/8"
plywood. Still, handling 60 lbs is not bad considering that she is so
compact. Maybe it is just my impression, but lifting compact things
seems easier than lifting big floppy things; of equal weight.
>I think that the plans do not call for foam in the air chambers.
> I think you could build it much lighter in stitch and glue, omitting
> much of the framing (of which there's a lot) and replacing the large
> volume of foam with sealed compartments. All these mods would
> diminish the easy build and nearly indestructible character of the boat.
Perhaps another way to save five pound would be to use some 1/8"
plywood. Still, handling 60 lbs is not bad considering that she is so
compact. Maybe it is just my impression, but lifting compact things
seems easier than lifting big floppy things; of equal weight.
I think you could build it much lighter in stitch and glue, omitting
much of the framing (of which there's a lot) and replacing the large
volume of foam with sealed compartments. All these mods would
diminish the easy build and nearly indestructible character of the boat.
I never thought I'd love mine which came with my AS29 and quickly
built a four foot wide Nymph as the tender. I now use the Shoebox all
the time, even when it's choppy. Who ever thought you could feel
secure in a less than six foot boat.
JIm Hagan
much of the framing (of which there's a lot) and replacing the large
volume of foam with sealed compartments. All these mods would
diminish the easy build and nearly indestructible character of the boat.
I never thought I'd love mine which came with my AS29 and quickly
built a four foot wide Nymph as the tender. I now use the Shoebox all
the time, even when it's choppy. Who ever thought you could feel
secure in a less than six foot boat.
JIm Hagan
On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Harry James
> <welshman@...> wrote:
> >
> > So how light could you make it?
>
> The PCB drawing says 60 lbs, and the Free!Ship program estimates 66
> lbs.
>
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>The PCB drawing says 60 lbs, and the Free!Ship program estimates 66 lbs.
> So how light could you make it?
So how light could you make it?
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2340262947/
>
> Not enough is said about the Shoebox punt. For instance, I don't
> think it has had an PCB writeup in any book or magazine, (with the
> exception of that short 1980's era CSD article). Shoebox is 11 inches
> shorter than Tortoise, but most of the shortness comes from the plumb
> ends in Shoebox, versus the raked ends in Tortoise. And, I can attest
> to the astonishing carrying capacity of Tortoise. I am toying with
> the idea of building a Shoebox, which I would 'parbuckle' off the
> stern of my Micro, and then add cleats onto the motor mount transom
> board of Micro so that I could drop Shoebox to the water, then she
> could be lashed on hard and be used as a oar powered yawlboat for the
> Micro. (This would have specific advantages for me navigating in and
> out of my tight spot in my marina, where the use and maneuverability
> of a outboard motor isn't ideal.)
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Not enough is said about the Shoebox punt. For instance, I don't
think it has had an PCB writeup in any book or magazine, (with the
exception of that short 1980's era CSD article). Shoebox is 11 inches
shorter than Tortoise, but most of the shortness comes from the plumb
ends in Shoebox, versus the raked ends in Tortoise. And, I can attest
to the astonishing carrying capacity of Tortoise. I am toying with
the idea of building a Shoebox, which I would 'parbuckle' off the
stern of my Micro, and then add cleats onto the motor mount transom
board of Micro so that I could drop Shoebox to the water, then she
could be lashed on hard and be used as a oar powered yawlboat for the
Micro. (This would have specific advantages for me navigating in and
out of my tight spot in my marina, where the use and maneuverability
of a outboard motor isn't ideal.)
Not enough is said about the Shoebox punt. For instance, I don't
think it has had an PCB writeup in any book or magazine, (with the
exception of that short 1980's era CSD article). Shoebox is 11 inches
shorter than Tortoise, but most of the shortness comes from the plumb
ends in Shoebox, versus the raked ends in Tortoise. And, I can attest
to the astonishing carrying capacity of Tortoise. I am toying with
the idea of building a Shoebox, which I would 'parbuckle' off the
stern of my Micro, and then add cleats onto the motor mount transom
board of Micro so that I could drop Shoebox to the water, then she
could be lashed on hard and be used as a oar powered yawlboat for the
Micro. (This would have specific advantages for me navigating in and
out of my tight spot in my marina, where the use and maneuverability
of a outboard motor isn't ideal.)