Re: [bolger] Re: Heads up a neat new (sort of) rig
Bob
Weren't you looking for a place to build a boat with David in the Gulf
Coast area?
HJ
loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
Weren't you looking for a place to build a boat with David in the Gulf
Coast area?
HJ
loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
> Mike...Nothing wrong with the Loose Moose design simply that our needs have somewhat
> changed over the last few years. Fact is you could do a whole lot worse than the design as
> it is inexpensive and easy to build (Loose Moose took only 1500 hours), seaworthy and
> gets you into places that a lot of other boats can't ( got to love that 18" draft!) These days
> as we have a yacht charter company in the Caribbean a lot of our clients are not educated
> enough to appreciate or understand a boat like LM2.
>
> We have considered rebuilding the design though on several occassions as we liked it that
> much.
>
> I have yet to hear any problems with the design from anyone who actually has seen, built
> or sailed on one built to plan..Though I have heard a lot of heresay sort of stuff that we
> never experienced on our boat. Just my opinion but the new version seems to address a
> bunch of problems that never existed on our boat and we sailed close to 12,000 miles on
> it.
>
> But as the old saying goes "been there done that" so the next boat has a lot more to do
> with stretching myself as a boat builder and truth be told I expect it will be my last live on
> board boat project I build myself. So I might even give myself the luxury of taking a whole
> year to build the ulitima Loose Moose instead of the four months the LM2 design would
> take.
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mkriley48" <mkriley@...> wrote:
>
>> not to hijack the thread but what would be wrong with an new
>> loose moose with lug rigs. what did you find about the loose moose
>> that makes you not want another?
>> thanks
>> mike
>>
>
>
>
Mike...Nothing wrong with the Loose Moose design simply that our needs have somewhat
changed over the last few years. Fact is you could do a whole lot worse than the design as
it is inexpensive and easy to build (Loose Moose took only 1500 hours), seaworthy and
gets you into places that a lot of other boats can't ( got to love that 18" draft!) These days
as we have a yacht charter company in the Caribbean a lot of our clients are not educated
enough to appreciate or understand a boat like LM2.
We have considered rebuilding the design though on several occassions as we liked it that
much.
I have yet to hear any problems with the design from anyone who actually has seen, built
or sailed on one built to plan..Though I have heard a lot of heresay sort of stuff that we
never experienced on our boat. Just my opinion but the new version seems to address a
bunch of problems that never existed on our boat and we sailed close to 12,000 miles on
it.
But as the old saying goes "been there done that" so the next boat has a lot more to do
with stretching myself as a boat builder and truth be told I expect it will be my last live on
board boat project I build myself. So I might even give myself the luxury of taking a whole
year to build the ulitima Loose Moose instead of the four months the LM2 design would
take.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
changed over the last few years. Fact is you could do a whole lot worse than the design as
it is inexpensive and easy to build (Loose Moose took only 1500 hours), seaworthy and
gets you into places that a lot of other boats can't ( got to love that 18" draft!) These days
as we have a yacht charter company in the Caribbean a lot of our clients are not educated
enough to appreciate or understand a boat like LM2.
We have considered rebuilding the design though on several occassions as we liked it that
much.
I have yet to hear any problems with the design from anyone who actually has seen, built
or sailed on one built to plan..Though I have heard a lot of heresay sort of stuff that we
never experienced on our boat. Just my opinion but the new version seems to address a
bunch of problems that never existed on our boat and we sailed close to 12,000 miles on
it.
But as the old saying goes "been there done that" so the next boat has a lot more to do
with stretching myself as a boat builder and truth be told I expect it will be my last live on
board boat project I build myself. So I might even give myself the luxury of taking a whole
year to build the ulitima Loose Moose instead of the four months the LM2 design would
take.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mkriley48" <mkriley@...> wrote:
>
> not to hijack the thread but what would be wrong with an new
> loose moose with lug rigs. what did you find about the loose moose
> that makes you not want another?
> thanks
> mike
not to hijack the thread but what would be wrong with an new
loose moose with lug rigs. what did you find about the loose moose
that makes you not want another?
thanks
mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
loose moose with lug rigs. what did you find about the loose moose
that makes you not want another?
thanks
mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>aware ( painfully I'm
> Just a heads up as anyone who knows me for any length of time is
> sure) that I share Phil Bolgers views on the dipping and balancedlug rigs. Great minds
> thinking alike and all that...has been that while I
>
> One of the frustrations of searching out the next Loose Moose design
> know that the lugs make a lot of sense not a whole lot of designersare willing to work
> with it and as such the rig design is somewhat dormant...I alwaysfelt that with just a little
> development that the Lug could really be a contender.Bolger is Gary Hoyt
>
> One of my other yacht design heroes who has a lot in common with
> ( the guy behind the first Freedoms) and apparently he has beenworking on his version of
> the lug which makes all kinds of sense. Check it outhttp://www.garryhoyt.com/id32.html
>Loose Moose 1 was a
> One of the things tha made the jessie Cooper such a great design (
> Jessie Cooper) was the rig and in hindsight the big mistake I madeon Loose Moose 2 was
> that I asked Phil to design a gaff instaed of a lug...One thing youfind in life is hindsight is
> 20/20. Just before we lost Loose Moose 2 I was in the process ofwriting Phil to ask him
> for a new lug sailplan...So it goes.Valery with a lug
>
> Right now my mind has a very clear idea something like a 40 foot St
> schooner rig...Wait long enough and it all starts to come together.in St Martin!
>
> All the best and happy Easter..It is a beautiful day here at anchor
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
Just a heads up as anyone who knows me for any length of time is aware ( painfully I'm
sure) that I share Phil Bolgers views on the dipping and balanced lug rigs. Great minds
thinking alike and all that...
One of the frustrations of searching out the next Loose Moose design has been that while I
know that the lugs make a lot of sense not a whole lot of designers are willing to work
with it and as such the rig design is somewhat dormant...I always felt that with just a little
development that the Lug could really be a contender.
One of my other yacht design heroes who has a lot in common with Bolger is Gary Hoyt
( the guy behind the first Freedoms) and apparently he has been working on his version of
the lug which makes all kinds of sense. Check it outhttp://www.garryhoyt.com/id32.html
One of the things tha made the jessie Cooper such a great design ( Loose Moose 1 was a
Jessie Cooper) was the rig and in hindsight the big mistake I made on Loose Moose 2 was
that I asked Phil to design a gaff instaed of a lug...One thing you find in life is hindsight is
20/20. Just before we lost Loose Moose 2 I was in the process of writing Phil to ask him
for a new lug sailplan...So it goes.
Right now my mind has a very clear idea something like a 40 foot St Valery with a lug
schooner rig...Wait long enough and it all starts to come together.
All the best and happy Easter..It is a beautiful day here at anchor in St Martin!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
sure) that I share Phil Bolgers views on the dipping and balanced lug rigs. Great minds
thinking alike and all that...
One of the frustrations of searching out the next Loose Moose design has been that while I
know that the lugs make a lot of sense not a whole lot of designers are willing to work
with it and as such the rig design is somewhat dormant...I always felt that with just a little
development that the Lug could really be a contender.
One of my other yacht design heroes who has a lot in common with Bolger is Gary Hoyt
( the guy behind the first Freedoms) and apparently he has been working on his version of
the lug which makes all kinds of sense. Check it outhttp://www.garryhoyt.com/id32.html
One of the things tha made the jessie Cooper such a great design ( Loose Moose 1 was a
Jessie Cooper) was the rig and in hindsight the big mistake I made on Loose Moose 2 was
that I asked Phil to design a gaff instaed of a lug...One thing you find in life is hindsight is
20/20. Just before we lost Loose Moose 2 I was in the process of writing Phil to ask him
for a new lug sailplan...So it goes.
Right now my mind has a very clear idea something like a 40 foot St Valery with a lug
schooner rig...Wait long enough and it all starts to come together.
All the best and happy Easter..It is a beautiful day here at anchor in St Martin!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/