Re: Junebug Build....stretched
graeme-
I think the reason my JB will hop up on plane is that the stretch was
only done at the widest part of the hull not thru the whole length of
the boat. My stern doesn't drag at all like in the picture in 30 odd
boats. Because i used a fatter stem piece she is also 3' 6" wide as
opposed to 3'3". I think all those flat surfaces add up to planning
potential. 15 knts will do a plenty. Still rows great. The reason i
enlarged her was for minimal camp cruising....thank gawd for the
dovekie now.
The other reason is the sail: professionally sewn by dabbler. I
ve made tyvek and poly tarp sails but nothing can touch the
performance of a professionally built dacron sail.
Jason
I think the reason my JB will hop up on plane is that the stretch was
only done at the widest part of the hull not thru the whole length of
the boat. My stern doesn't drag at all like in the picture in 30 odd
boats. Because i used a fatter stem piece she is also 3' 6" wide as
opposed to 3'3". I think all those flat surfaces add up to planning
potential. 15 knts will do a plenty. Still rows great. The reason i
enlarged her was for minimal camp cruising....thank gawd for the
dovekie now.
The other reason is the sail: professionally sewn by dabbler. I
ve made tyvek and poly tarp sails but nothing can touch the
performance of a professionally built dacron sail.
Jason
Jason,
thanks for the response. And, no worries at all, my experience is,
and I hope will remain, that boat time has no tense. And the Bolger
zone has no time. Chronology, yes; but time, no. Timeless it is then,
I guess, with details always immediate and fresh anew.
I've only heard of one other June Bug planing under sail. That was
Phil Lea's - more modified than yours, including bigger sail. That
Bolger optimised the JB sharpie bottom for rowing speed, yet JB does
so well sailing I think even amazed Bolger. It amazes me. How much
wind do you require for planing? Pictures would be nice, if/whenever
you could manage that.
I'm really interested in JB's planing performance as I'm going to
build a Cold Water Sailer (Just luv to see it rip through a $12000 a
piece laser fleet). CWS's bottom was optimised for planing, I think.
About the same displacement as JB on less rocker, and so ~23% more
beam. About the same ease of building as JB I expect.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@...>
wrote:
thanks for the response. And, no worries at all, my experience is,
and I hope will remain, that boat time has no tense. And the Bolger
zone has no time. Chronology, yes; but time, no. Timeless it is then,
I guess, with details always immediate and fresh anew.
I've only heard of one other June Bug planing under sail. That was
Phil Lea's - more modified than yours, including bigger sail. That
Bolger optimised the JB sharpie bottom for rowing speed, yet JB does
so well sailing I think even amazed Bolger. It amazes me. How much
wind do you require for planing? Pictures would be nice, if/whenever
you could manage that.
I'm really interested in JB's planing performance as I'm going to
build a Cold Water Sailer (Just luv to see it rip through a $12000 a
piece laser fleet). CWS's bottom was optimised for planing, I think.
About the same displacement as JB on less rocker, and so ~23% more
beam. About the same ease of building as JB I expect.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@...>
wrote:
>of
> Way late response, sorry.
>
> I could take pictures it's out in the barn.
> Used a 59 foot bolger sprit to plans off another boat. Still plenty
> sail for 15' x 3' boat.row
>
> One of the great things about JB....even stretched is it's a great
> boat.wrote:
>
> Jason
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@>
> >plane.
> > > Awesome little boat for the time and money.
> >
> > Stretched. Did you also use a larger sail?
> >
> > > had to add foot locks later on so i could hike out when on
> >
> > Any pics of the feat?
> >
> > Graeme
> >
>
Way late response, sorry.
I could take pictures it's out in the barn.
Used a 59 foot bolger sprit to plans off another boat. Still plenty of
sail for 15' x 3' boat.
One of the great things about JB....even stretched is it's a great row
boat.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
I could take pictures it's out in the barn.
Used a 59 foot bolger sprit to plans off another boat. Still plenty of
sail for 15' x 3' boat.
One of the great things about JB....even stretched is it's a great row
boat.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@> wrote:
>
> > Awesome little boat for the time and money.
>
> Stretched. Did you also use a larger sail?
>
> > had to add foot locks later on so i could hike out when on plane.
>
> Any pics of the feat?
>
> Graeme
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@...> wrote:
Graeme
> Awesome little boat for the time and money.Stretched. Did you also use a larger sail?
> had to add foot locks later on so i could hike out when on plane.Any pics of the feat?
Graeme
Hogwash... As an ex certified welder at Electric Boat shipyard in
Groton CT I can assure you that Aluminum welding is not that big of a
deal. All it takes is some amount of talent which usually comes in
direct relationship to the amount of tme you practice. I went through
a lot of scrap metal before commiting to a finished goods. And as
long as you protect it from galvanic action will last for a very long
time.
Bob
Groton CT I can assure you that Aluminum welding is not that big of a
deal. All it takes is some amount of talent which usually comes in
direct relationship to the amount of tme you practice. I went through
a lot of scrap metal before commiting to a finished goods. And as
long as you protect it from galvanic action will last for a very long
time.
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gronicle" <machinist@...> wrote:
>
> Hougha to everything Krissie said, plus it is a bitch cleaning
aluminum when
> you are trying to get a decent TIG weld going. I used to wonder
why the
> welders in the shipyard at Electric boat cussed so much years ago
and then I
> went to tech school and took a few welding classes! It makes straight
> machining or diesel engine repair seem plumb easy.
>
> Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I built one last summer stitch and glue style took about 2 weeks But
most of that time was waiting on epoxy and then fairing. Could be
built in weekend if you didn't mind the looks/longevity. I stretch
mine to 15 feet.....had to add foot locks later on so i could hike out
when on plane. Awesome little boat for the time and money.
Jason
most of that time was waiting on epoxy and then fairing. Could be
built in weekend if you didn't mind the looks/longevity. I stretch
mine to 15 feet.....had to add foot locks later on so i could hike out
when on plane. Awesome little boat for the time and money.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mikeboatman3745" <mikeboatman@...>
wrote:
Graeme
wrote:
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/photos/browse/cb90Nice one, Mike
Graeme
I built a Junebug recently. Junebug is a quick build, but it does take
time. Have some help when you attach the frames to the sides, it is
floppy for a bit. Mind to cut the bevel on the frames the correct way
so the frames face the right way.
I lowered the rear deck 3" to take a 2hp outboard. It moves along quite
quickly.
A Photo is at Bolger 7
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/photos/browse/cb90
<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/photos/browse/cb90>
For Australian shoppers, I am selling myset of four bolger books on ebay
at the moment. They are too heavy to post overseas sorry.
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time. Have some help when you attach the frames to the sides, it is
floppy for a bit. Mind to cut the bevel on the frames the correct way
so the frames face the right way.
I lowered the rear deck 3" to take a 2hp outboard. It moves along quite
quickly.
A Photo is at Bolger 7
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/photos/browse/cb90
<http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/photos/browse/cb90>
For Australian shoppers, I am selling myset of four bolger books on ebay
at the moment. They are too heavy to post overseas sorry.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The guys at elecric boat works must not of heard of aluminator.
Cleans aluminum for mig or tig welding in one sloshing on and rinses off
in just a few minutes. If You are working hard to clean for welds you
have missed something. Th product is either ( aluminator or luminator)
don't remember which.
Seems an nearly impossible thing to compare an engine builder or a
machinist and a welder where know how and training are concerned. It's
like trying to compare the skill of a carpenter and a seamstress. There
are all levels of both. and the skill just can't be compaired. It's
like trying to compare the strength of wood and steel. There is no
lagitamate comparison possible. Tom Covin and I tried that for a
magazine artical he was writing one time, the comparison made no sense
at all. On bends under impact and stays bent thus slowing the impact and
the other just splinters.
There is also no comparison between building a submarine an a
houseboat. I still say wood is the easyiest aluminum second followed
by steel. This is unless you are a steel worker in which case working
with the tools of a steel fabricator does not require the learning of a
whole new thing. Aluminum is easy just get a welder that knows his craft.
Doug
Gronicle wrote:
Cleans aluminum for mig or tig welding in one sloshing on and rinses off
in just a few minutes. If You are working hard to clean for welds you
have missed something. Th product is either ( aluminator or luminator)
don't remember which.
Seems an nearly impossible thing to compare an engine builder or a
machinist and a welder where know how and training are concerned. It's
like trying to compare the skill of a carpenter and a seamstress. There
are all levels of both. and the skill just can't be compaired. It's
like trying to compare the strength of wood and steel. There is no
lagitamate comparison possible. Tom Covin and I tried that for a
magazine artical he was writing one time, the comparison made no sense
at all. On bends under impact and stays bent thus slowing the impact and
the other just splinters.
There is also no comparison between building a submarine an a
houseboat. I still say wood is the easyiest aluminum second followed
by steel. This is unless you are a steel worker in which case working
with the tools of a steel fabricator does not require the learning of a
whole new thing. Aluminum is easy just get a welder that knows his craft.
Doug
Gronicle wrote:
>
> Hougha to everything Krissie said, plus it is a bitch cleaning
> aluminum when
> you are trying to get a decent TIG weld going. I used to wonder why the
> welders in the shipyard at Electric boat cussed so much years ago and
> then I
> went to tech school and took a few welding classes! It makes straight
> machining or diesel engine repair seem plumb easy.
>
> Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)
> Hear! Hear!
>
> Great response. I was pondering something like it, but you said it much
> better than I could have. That is the advantage of first-hand experience.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Kristine Bennett wrote:
> > I have half looked at the posts about the Housebarge, then I saw the
> idea
> of using welded Steel and then welded Aluminum. In years past I worked for
> two shops that built Aluminum and Steel craft, here in the northwest. Some
> of the ideas that are being kicked around scare me.
> >
>
> ..
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Do you think that attaching the towing eye lower down on the stem and
the addition of a skeg would help the towing?
HJ
Jack&Lois wrote:
the addition of a skeg would help the towing?
HJ
Jack&Lois wrote:
> I've said so much about June Bug on this list over the years I'll restrain
> myself this time. She no doubt could be built with blitz speed within a few
> gruelling hours, but I go with aspiring to the standard shown on the Zeiger
> site. It's such a simple boat to build, why not take the time and care this
> brilliant little gem deserves? Despite Bolger saying some WB snobs referred
> to it as a packing crate, mine has received much praise and admiration for
> her LOOKS, for crying out loud, never mind her poetic performance. My only
> caution concerns using JB as a towed tender. I found her less than ideal
> for towing behind our Micro. And I don't just mean how silly it looks for a
> 14' boat to be towed behind a 15' 4" boat, which it does (look silly). What
> we found at near hull speed for the Micro (4.5 kts) JB wants to dig in and
> broach. This was especially a problem in any kind of chop. Auray punt has
> proved a much better tender re. performance and appearance. But JB is still
> one of my favourite boats ever.
>
>
>
> Jeb, obviously not really showing that much restraint, on the winter bound
> shores of Fundy
>
>
>
>
Hougha to everything Krissie said, plus it is a bitch cleaning aluminum when
you are trying to get a decent TIG weld going. I used to wonder why the
welders in the shipyard at Electric boat cussed so much years ago and then I
went to tech school and took a few welding classes! It makes straight
machining or diesel engine repair seem plumb easy.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)
Hear! Hear!
Great response. I was pondering something like it, but you said it much
better than I could have. That is the advantage of first-hand experience.
V/R
Chris
Kristine Bennett wrote:
two shops that built Aluminum and Steel craft, here in the northwest. Some
of the ideas that are being kicked around scare me.
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you are trying to get a decent TIG weld going. I used to wonder why the
welders in the shipyard at Electric boat cussed so much years ago and then I
went to tech school and took a few welding classes! It makes straight
machining or diesel engine repair seem plumb easy.
Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)
Hear! Hear!
Great response. I was pondering something like it, but you said it much
better than I could have. That is the advantage of first-hand experience.
V/R
Chris
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> I have half looked at the posts about the Housebarge, then I saw the ideaof using welded Steel and then welded Aluminum. In years past I worked for
two shops that built Aluminum and Steel craft, here in the northwest. Some
of the ideas that are being kicked around scare me.
>..
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've said so much about June Bug on this list over the years I'll restrain
myself this time. She no doubt could be built with blitz speed within a few
gruelling hours, but I go with aspiring to the standard shown on the Zeiger
site. It's such a simple boat to build, why not take the time and care this
brilliant little gem deserves? Despite Bolger saying some WB snobs referred
to it as a packing crate, mine has received much praise and admiration for
her LOOKS, for crying out loud, never mind her poetic performance. My only
caution concerns using JB as a towed tender. I found her less than ideal
for towing behind our Micro. And I don't just mean how silly it looks for a
14' boat to be towed behind a 15' 4" boat, which it does (look silly). What
we found at near hull speed for the Micro (4.5 kts) JB wants to dig in and
broach. This was especially a problem in any kind of chop. Auray punt has
proved a much better tender re. performance and appearance. But JB is still
one of my favourite boats ever.
Jeb, obviously not really showing that much restraint, on the winter bound
shores of Fundy
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myself this time. She no doubt could be built with blitz speed within a few
gruelling hours, but I go with aspiring to the standard shown on the Zeiger
site. It's such a simple boat to build, why not take the time and care this
brilliant little gem deserves? Despite Bolger saying some WB snobs referred
to it as a packing crate, mine has received much praise and admiration for
her LOOKS, for crying out loud, never mind her poetic performance. My only
caution concerns using JB as a towed tender. I found her less than ideal
for towing behind our Micro. And I don't just mean how silly it looks for a
14' boat to be towed behind a 15' 4" boat, which it does (look silly). What
we found at near hull speed for the Micro (4.5 kts) JB wants to dig in and
broach. This was especially a problem in any kind of chop. Auray punt has
proved a much better tender re. performance and appearance. But JB is still
one of my favourite boats ever.
Jeb, obviously not really showing that much restraint, on the winter bound
shores of Fundy
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Here are isometric renderings of a Junebug.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2364983820/
I suspect that in a boatbuilding contest, one could be built in an 8
hour day. Perhaps an average time to build might be in one months of
evenings and weekends. If thoroughly gold plated a Junebug might take
a year (or more) to build.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2364983820/
I suspect that in a boatbuilding contest, one could be built in an 8
hour day. Perhaps an average time to build might be in one months of
evenings and weekends. If thoroughly gold plated a Junebug might take
a year (or more) to build.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Wetherill" <wetherillc@...>
wrote:
riser. What takes the time is running around to get stuff. Assembling
plywood into full length pieces, ripping out wood for the stringers and
so forth. It depends on what you have. I had a General Table saw at
one point, and I still have a special vac clamping scarphing jig for
ply sheets. With the TS you could rip stringers and scarphs quickly,
but I now use a bandsaw and other tools, so it takes a little longer.
Though I prefer the work. It's the variables in you process that make
a difference. I've used everything from routers to hand saws to make
the stringers.
wrote:
>The boat assembly rarely takes longer than a day, and I'm a late
> Any current members built a Junebug? I am curious about time to build
> the hull and any difficulties encountered. I will be following the
> procedure in New Instant Boats
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
riser. What takes the time is running around to get stuff. Assembling
plywood into full length pieces, ripping out wood for the stringers and
so forth. It depends on what you have. I had a General Table saw at
one point, and I still have a special vac clamping scarphing jig for
ply sheets. With the TS you could rip stringers and scarphs quickly,
but I now use a bandsaw and other tools, so it takes a little longer.
Though I prefer the work. It's the variables in you process that make
a difference. I've used everything from routers to hand saws to make
the stringers.
It appears to be a very simple build, Mark Zeiger's site.
http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
HJ
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
HJ
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
> Any current members built a Junebug? I am curious about time to build
> the hull and any difficulties encountered. I will be following the
> procedure in New Instant Boats
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
Any current members built a Junebug? I am curious about time to build
the hull and any difficulties encountered. I will be following the
procedure in New Instant Boats
Thanks
Chris
the hull and any difficulties encountered. I will be following the
procedure in New Instant Boats
Thanks
Chris