Re: [bolger] Re: Shallow Water Sailor photos
Hi Bob, So you using it for fuel. Mike
--- On Fri, 4/18/08, loosemoosefilmworks <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
> From: loosemoosefilmworks <loosemoosefilmworks@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Shallow Water Sailor photos
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 18, 2008, 11:53 PM
> Oops...Sorry I hate to do things wrong!
>
> First off the Honda 1000 and 2000 ( and the Kipor clones)
> do not use a gravity tank. The
> fuel is pumped to the carb with a small but powerful vacum
> pump.
>
> The whole idea of the remote tank was simply means of
> having a longer period between
> refuels AND still be able to use the internal tank if the
> need arose without costing very
> much money in the process. An after effect advantage is
> that it is far easier to fill the
> remote tank at anchor than the generator.
>
> I'm not sure what good it would do to get rid of the
> internal tank ( except to make the
> Honda 2000 louder) or bypass it which would have entailed
> drilling holes in the body and
> adding more parts including a valve of some sort but hey
> I'm not very bright and always
> willing to learn from my betters.
>
> The next project is a 48V alternator run off the old Honda
> 2000 motor as a direct charging
> system for my boats electric drive bit that will have to
> wait till I have a chance to build the
> Reubens Nymph and island hopping down to Trinidad for the
> coming "H" season.
>
>
> Bob
> Currently at anchor in Marigot St Martin where the rum is
> three dollars a liter...
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Slimak"
> <otter55806@...> wrote:
> >
> > Another thing wrong with the remote gas tank
> conversion is that,
> > looking at the web site, it does not get rid of the
> gravity tank,
> > mearly keeps it full. The conversion consist of
> drilling and tapping
> > a hole in the gravity tank filler cap and screwing in
> a barb fitting
> > for the gas line coming from the remote tank.
>
>
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First off the Honda 1000 and 2000 ( and the Kipor clones) do not use a gravity tank. The
fuel is pumped to the carb with a small but powerful vacum pump.
The whole idea of the remote tank was simply means of having a longer period between
refuels AND still be able to use the internal tank if the need arose without costing very
much money in the process. An after effect advantage is that it is far easier to fill the
remote tank at anchor than the generator.
I'm not sure what good it would do to get rid of the internal tank ( except to make the
Honda 2000 louder) or bypass it which would have entailed drilling holes in the body and
adding more parts including a valve of some sort but hey I'm not very bright and always
willing to learn from my betters.
The next project is a 48V alternator run off the old Honda 2000 motor as a direct charging
system for my boats electric drive bit that will have to wait till I have a chance to build the
Reubens Nymph and island hopping down to Trinidad for the coming "H" season.
Bob
Currently at anchor in Marigot St Martin where the rum is three dollars a liter...
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
First off the Honda 1000 and 2000 ( and the Kipor clones) do not use a gravity tank. The
fuel is pumped to the carb with a small but powerful vacum pump.
The whole idea of the remote tank was simply means of having a longer period between
refuels AND still be able to use the internal tank if the need arose without costing very
much money in the process. An after effect advantage is that it is far easier to fill the
remote tank at anchor than the generator.
I'm not sure what good it would do to get rid of the internal tank ( except to make the
Honda 2000 louder) or bypass it which would have entailed drilling holes in the body and
adding more parts including a valve of some sort but hey I'm not very bright and always
willing to learn from my betters.
The next project is a 48V alternator run off the old Honda 2000 motor as a direct charging
system for my boats electric drive bit that will have to wait till I have a chance to build the
Reubens Nymph and island hopping down to Trinidad for the coming "H" season.
Bob
Currently at anchor in Marigot St Martin where the rum is three dollars a liter...
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Slimak" <otter55806@...> wrote:
>
> Another thing wrong with the remote gas tank conversion is that,
> looking at the web site, it does not get rid of the gravity tank,
> mearly keeps it full. The conversion consist of drilling and tapping
> a hole in the gravity tank filler cap and screwing in a barb fitting
> for the gas line coming from the remote tank.
Another thing wrong with the remote gas tank conversion is that,
looking at the web site, it does not get rid of the gravity tank,
mearly keeps it full. The conversion consist of drilling and tapping
a hole in the gravity tank filler cap and screwing in a barb fitting
for the gas line coming from the remote tank.
I have been using a coleman "lightning" mini generator on my boat.
This generator weighs only 13.5 lbs. and is just bigger than a 12
pack of beer. It puts out 50 amps DC instead of the usual 8.3 amps
DC of most AC generators. It does put out 800 watts of AC, but I have
never used it for AC. I use it to recharge my batteries when at
anchor for long enough to need a recharge without having to start the
outboard, which only puts out 15 amps anyway. I have found that I can
charge my AGM batteries from 50% to 100% in 45 to 50 minutes, thereby
reducing the time I have to listen to the #&%$@ thing! The biggest
problem with it is that it has a high rev 2 cycle engine that is much
noisier than a low rev 4 cycle. I have thought to replace the engine
with a quieter 4 cycle Honda, which would also give me a more
reliable engine.
I have often thought that someone should design and make a low speed
4 cycle, well muffled, highput alternator. By this I mean wind an
alternator that produces 50 to 80 amps at, say, 1800 rpm then couple
it to a good Honda 4 cycle. My Honda 1000 runs VERY quiet compared
to cheaper units. They simple use a better muffler than their
competitors. I mean, you can very while make an internal combustion
engine that makes quieter explosions! There is a ton of info online
on how to make the slow speed alternators for wind generators, but
these are much too slow, and I don't have the knowledge on how to
make one for the range I am talking about. Any electrical engineers
out there?
Bob Slimak
looking at the web site, it does not get rid of the gravity tank,
mearly keeps it full. The conversion consist of drilling and tapping
a hole in the gravity tank filler cap and screwing in a barb fitting
for the gas line coming from the remote tank.
I have been using a coleman "lightning" mini generator on my boat.
This generator weighs only 13.5 lbs. and is just bigger than a 12
pack of beer. It puts out 50 amps DC instead of the usual 8.3 amps
DC of most AC generators. It does put out 800 watts of AC, but I have
never used it for AC. I use it to recharge my batteries when at
anchor for long enough to need a recharge without having to start the
outboard, which only puts out 15 amps anyway. I have found that I can
charge my AGM batteries from 50% to 100% in 45 to 50 minutes, thereby
reducing the time I have to listen to the #&%$@ thing! The biggest
problem with it is that it has a high rev 2 cycle engine that is much
noisier than a low rev 4 cycle. I have thought to replace the engine
with a quieter 4 cycle Honda, which would also give me a more
reliable engine.
I have often thought that someone should design and make a low speed
4 cycle, well muffled, highput alternator. By this I mean wind an
alternator that produces 50 to 80 amps at, say, 1800 rpm then couple
it to a good Honda 4 cycle. My Honda 1000 runs VERY quiet compared
to cheaper units. They simple use a better muffler than their
competitors. I mean, you can very while make an internal combustion
engine that makes quieter explosions! There is a ton of info online
on how to make the slow speed alternators for wind generators, but
these are much too slow, and I don't have the knowledge on how to
make one for the range I am talking about. Any electrical engineers
out there?
Bob Slimak
Some background and explination on pictures. Its a 4 hp edger engine and a 12 Vdc 60
amp, alternator to charge my batteries after I've been sailing, I only stick it in the boat
when traveling and leave it out when sailing and charging the batteries. Along with the
USCG requirements, there is also the problems of: exhaust temp of about 1,100°F to
plumb overboard, air cooling for the engine, smell, vibration and noise.
I went with an electric drive so I wouldn't have to not deal with the noise and
inconvenience of rigging and outboard, with two group 31 batteries ( 240 amp /hr) I get 5
mph for 2 hours run time. I still have to make a light weight frame and a metal tray to
contain any leaks and be fire safe around these mountain lakes.
Actually my $5 spreader lights are something brilliant (40 watts).
Thanks for all your responses, Bill Malone.
amp, alternator to charge my batteries after I've been sailing, I only stick it in the boat
when traveling and leave it out when sailing and charging the batteries. Along with the
USCG requirements, there is also the problems of: exhaust temp of about 1,100°F to
plumb overboard, air cooling for the engine, smell, vibration and noise.
I went with an electric drive so I wouldn't have to not deal with the noise and
inconvenience of rigging and outboard, with two group 31 batteries ( 240 amp /hr) I get 5
mph for 2 hours run time. I still have to make a light weight frame and a metal tray to
contain any leaks and be fire safe around these mountain lakes.
Actually my $5 spreader lights are something brilliant (40 watts).
Thanks for all your responses, Bill Malone.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Kirissie
>
> What was this in response too? I missed the original.
>
> HJ
>
> Kristine Bennett wrote:
> > I was looking at Shallow Water Sailor's photos and I like his genset it's a great idea. I'm
not sure how much the alternator will put out turning at 3600 RPM... A lot of them like to
be turned 5000 to get full output.
> >
> > Also seeing the fuel tank in the same space with every thing else, I find a bit scary I
know it would be very hard to put in a tank with an outside fill and vent. But I think that
would be something the USCG would want to see!
> >
> > Blessings Kriss
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken seeing how they are air cooled I would go much over a 3.5 to 1 step up. In rough numbers a 3 Hp motor is putting out about 1 1/2 HP at 1800 You drive belt is going to take some of that power as well. You want to have the speed up for cooling but not so high that you are wasting engine life and gas.
Kriss
Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote: You're right, it's not the same type of engine I was thinking, so I
guess it really is a 3600 rpm engine. A belt drive that steps up 2:1
or 3:1 would seem to be more appropriate than the direct drive in this
case ...
Engine running at half speed = 1800 rpm
Alternator speed @ 3x step-up = 5400 rpm
By the way, what speed do these engines idle at?
If it idles at 1000 rpm and still puts out enough power to spin the
alternator with its normal load, maybe a 5:1 step-up would be better
since it would mean lower fuel consumption and lower noise level.
I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine with direct drive would be just
the ticket here. Probably just as easy to configure for direct drive
too, maybe even easier.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
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Kriss
Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote: You're right, it's not the same type of engine I was thinking, so I
guess it really is a 3600 rpm engine. A belt drive that steps up 2:1
or 3:1 would seem to be more appropriate than the direct drive in this
case ...
Engine running at half speed = 1800 rpm
Alternator speed @ 3x step-up = 5400 rpm
By the way, what speed do these engines idle at?
If it idles at 1000 rpm and still puts out enough power to spin the
alternator with its normal load, maybe a 5:1 step-up would be better
since it would mean lower fuel consumption and lower noise level.
I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine with direct drive would be just
the ticket here. Probably just as easy to configure for direct drive
too, maybe even easier.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
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They would be irritatingly noisy and they are about a 1/3 hp but they
sure would be a compact package.
HJ
Kenneth Grome wrote:
sure would be a compact package.
HJ
Kenneth Grome wrote:
> You're right, it's not the same type of engine I was thinking, so I
> guess it really is a 3600 rpm engine. A belt drive that steps up 2:1
> or 3:1 would seem to be more appropriate than the direct drive in this
> case ...
>
> Engine running at half speed = 1800 rpm
> Alternator speed @ 3x step-up = 5400 rpm
>
> By the way, what speed do these engines idle at?
>
> If it idles at 1000 rpm and still puts out enough power to spin the
> alternator with its normal load, maybe a 5:1 step-up would be better
> since it would mean lower fuel consumption and lower noise level.
>
> I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine with direct drive would be just
> the ticket here. Probably just as easy to configure for direct drive
> too, maybe even easier.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
>
>
>
>> Ken I just looked at the photo again and it's an L head motor Made by
>> Tecumseh I would guess it to be there 3 HP unit and they are a
>> splashed lubed engine four cycle and top RPM is 3600.
>>
>> I know the motors well I've worked on a few of them over the years on
>> pumps and Hyd powerpacks.
>>
>> Blessings Kriss
>>
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Yes, noisy without exhaust modifications ... but anyone who can assemble
this kind of charger can also attach a 1/2 inch copper pipe to the end
of the exhaust and run it under water. This guy did it with a grass
trimmer engine that he converted to an outboard:
http://www.flapdoodledinghy.com/motor/exhaust%20top.JPG
"As I expected, the noise was much less
than in the barrel; just a gentle purr.
About half throttle seemed the best for
smoothness and quiet. Those standing on
shore also said it was just a purring sound."
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
this kind of charger can also attach a 1/2 inch copper pipe to the end
of the exhaust and run it under water. This guy did it with a grass
trimmer engine that he converted to an outboard:
http://www.flapdoodledinghy.com/motor/exhaust%20top.JPG
"As I expected, the noise was much less
than in the barrel; just a gentle purr.
About half throttle seemed the best for
smoothness and quiet. Those standing on
shore also said it was just a purring sound."
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
> > I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine
> > with direct drive would be just the ticket
> > here. Probably just as easy to configure
> > for direct drive too, maybe even easier.
>
> They would be irritatingly noisy and
> they are about a 1/3 hp but they
> sure would be a compact package.
You're right, it's not the same type of engine I was thinking, so I
guess it really is a 3600 rpm engine. A belt drive that steps up 2:1
or 3:1 would seem to be more appropriate than the direct drive in this
case ...
Engine running at half speed = 1800 rpm
Alternator speed @ 3x step-up = 5400 rpm
By the way, what speed do these engines idle at?
If it idles at 1000 rpm and still puts out enough power to spin the
alternator with its normal load, maybe a 5:1 step-up would be better
since it would mean lower fuel consumption and lower noise level.
I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine with direct drive would be just
the ticket here. Probably just as easy to configure for direct drive
too, maybe even easier.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
guess it really is a 3600 rpm engine. A belt drive that steps up 2:1
or 3:1 would seem to be more appropriate than the direct drive in this
case ...
Engine running at half speed = 1800 rpm
Alternator speed @ 3x step-up = 5400 rpm
By the way, what speed do these engines idle at?
If it idles at 1000 rpm and still puts out enough power to spin the
alternator with its normal load, maybe a 5:1 step-up would be better
since it would mean lower fuel consumption and lower noise level.
I'll bet a smaller grass trimmer engine with direct drive would be just
the ticket here. Probably just as easy to configure for direct drive
too, maybe even easier.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
> Ken I just looked at the photo again and it's an L head motor Made by
> Tecumseh I would guess it to be there 3 HP unit and they are a
> splashed lubed engine four cycle and top RPM is 3600.
>
> I know the motors well I've worked on a few of them over the years on
> pumps and Hyd powerpacks.
>
> Blessings Kriss
Ken I just looked at the photo again and it's an L head motor Made by Tecumseh I would guess it to be there 3 HP unit and they are a splashed lubed engine four cycle and top RPM is 3600.
I know the motors well I've worked on a few of them over the years on pumps and Hyd powerpacks.
Blessings Kriss
I'm looking at the bottom left photo in the composite image
labeled "Generator" and this picture shows a compartment that is
completely open on top. In this case the compartment has more than
enough surface area open to the atmosphere to comply with the USCG
requirements for vented surface area.
The engine is not your typical 3600 rpm gas engine either. This is an
edger/trimmer engine, it says so right there in one of the pictures,
and these tiny little engines spin much faster that 3600 rpm.
Sometimes they max out at 10-12,000 rpm, so I don't think the rotation
speed is an issue here.
The only things I can see in these pictures that might not be USCG
compliant are its gravity-feed fuel system and a carburetor with no
backfire-prevention. I wouldn't be concerned about either of these
issues if a halfway intelligent person is responsible for using and
maintaining it.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
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I know the motors well I've worked on a few of them over the years on pumps and Hyd powerpacks.
Blessings Kriss
I'm looking at the bottom left photo in the composite image
labeled "Generator" and this picture shows a compartment that is
completely open on top. In this case the compartment has more than
enough surface area open to the atmosphere to comply with the USCG
requirements for vented surface area.
The engine is not your typical 3600 rpm gas engine either. This is an
edger/trimmer engine, it says so right there in one of the pictures,
and these tiny little engines spin much faster that 3600 rpm.
Sometimes they max out at 10-12,000 rpm, so I don't think the rotation
speed is an issue here.
The only things I can see in these pictures that might not be USCG
compliant are its gravity-feed fuel system and a carburetor with no
backfire-prevention. I wouldn't be concerned about either of these
issues if a halfway intelligent person is responsible for using and
maintaining it.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
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Chris I just looked at my Toyota pickup and the crank pulley is 6 inch and the Alternator is 2 inch thats a 3 to 1 step up. My idle speed is 650 so the Alt. is turning at 1950 give or take. I know at idle my volt meter shows less the 12 volts, if I turn on my lights it's not long till I'm under 11 volts this is with the engine running. You want a charge voltage around 13.2 to 13.6 volts.
I know my system doesn't start charging till I get up to 800 to 1000 RPM and then it's not at full output. I have to get it up to 1900 before I have full output and that is 5700 RPM at the Alt. give or take.
So let's look at this a bit closer one H.P. is 755 watts. How do you get watts you take your voltage here we are talking 13.5 volts you multiply that by your amperage. OK so lets do some math! 13.5 V X 30 amps.= 405 watts or a little over 1/2 HP Lets try that again 13.5 V X 40 amps.= 540 watts again about 3/4 HP.
So tell me why would you turning a 3 to 4 Hp engine at 3600 to use less then ONE hp? Mind you thats IF and it's a BIG IF the Alt will even put out that much at that RPM. Also as your batteres get charged the amp load drops off. So you need even less power. So to me putting in a 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 step up would be a good way to go... You would also save gas and the engine would last longer.
Blessings Krissie
Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote: Just noticed the caption says "out of parts" Looking at the wiring I
presume it's a 12V alternator for a car. My car charges sufficiently at
idle. I doubt it runs the alternator faster than 1500 at this speed.
3600 should be acceptable so long as you are not in a hurry.
Does anyone know the typical threshold rpm for an automotive
alternator? I am planning a project that would use one, but is not boat
related.
V/R
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I know my system doesn't start charging till I get up to 800 to 1000 RPM and then it's not at full output. I have to get it up to 1900 before I have full output and that is 5700 RPM at the Alt. give or take.
So let's look at this a bit closer one H.P. is 755 watts. How do you get watts you take your voltage here we are talking 13.5 volts you multiply that by your amperage. OK so lets do some math! 13.5 V X 30 amps.= 405 watts or a little over 1/2 HP Lets try that again 13.5 V X 40 amps.= 540 watts again about 3/4 HP.
So tell me why would you turning a 3 to 4 Hp engine at 3600 to use less then ONE hp? Mind you thats IF and it's a BIG IF the Alt will even put out that much at that RPM. Also as your batteres get charged the amp load drops off. So you need even less power. So to me putting in a 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 step up would be a good way to go... You would also save gas and the engine would last longer.
Blessings Krissie
Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote: Just noticed the caption says "out of parts" Looking at the wiring I
presume it's a 12V alternator for a car. My car charges sufficiently at
idle. I doubt it runs the alternator faster than 1500 at this speed.
3600 should be acceptable so long as you are not in a hurry.
Does anyone know the typical threshold rpm for an automotive
alternator? I am planning a project that would use one, but is not boat
related.
V/R
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> I was working from the assumption that heI didn't see any obvious hatch cover attachments so I was guessing that
> removed the hatch cover for photo purposes.
it doesn't have a cover.
It wouldn't be wise to run the engine with the cover on, that's for
sure. But even if it has one there wouldn't be a problem if it were
removed long enough before starting the engine to allow the gas fumes
to dissipate.
Then again, it may not be wise to assume that the operator knows how
long is 'long enough' ...
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
Ken,
I was working from the assumption that he removed the hatch cover for
photo purposes.
V/R
Chris
Kenneth Grome wrote:
I was working from the assumption that he removed the hatch cover for
photo purposes.
V/R
Chris
Kenneth Grome wrote:
>> Even an outboard type tank is unacceptable
>> because the engine is in an enclosed space
>> without any type of ventilation.
>>
>
> I'm looking at the bottom left photo in the composite image
> labeled "Generator" and this picture shows a compartment that is
> completely open on top. In this case the compartment has more than
> enough surface area open to the atmosphere to comply with the USCG
> requirements for vented surface area.
>
>
>
There is a lot on line on building alternator set ups.
http://theepicenter.com/tow052903.html
that link will probably lead you to more links. They mostly use belts,
Shallow water sailor is the first I have seen using a lovejoy coupling.
HJ
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
http://theepicenter.com/tow052903.html
that link will probably lead you to more links. They mostly use belts,
Shallow water sailor is the first I have seen using a lovejoy coupling.
HJ
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
> Just noticed the caption says "out of parts" Looking at the wiring I
> presume it's a 12V alternator for a car. My car charges sufficiently at
> idle. I doubt it runs the alternator faster than 1500 at this speed.
> 3600 should be acceptable so long as you are not in a hurry.
>
> Does anyone know the typical threshold rpm for an automotive
> alternator? I am planning a project that would use one, but is not boat
> related.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Christopher Wetherill wrote:
>
>> As for speed, if it is an AC generator, it is designed to run at 3600
>> rpm. That is required for 60 hz with 2 poles.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Thanks, I never would have found that on my own. Not legal but nice set
up, I am sure that is an alternator not a generator. I have often
wondered if you could power a small 20 Amp alternator with a weed cutter
motor and a coupling like that. It would make a nice compact deck
charger if you needed it.
Two more comments, that engine and alternator are not going to look that
good if the boat does the traditional Light Schooner capsize and I am
impressed with the sailing pic with an additional stay sail set.
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
up, I am sure that is an alternator not a generator. I have often
wondered if you could power a small 20 Amp alternator with a weed cutter
motor and a coupling like that. It would make a nice compact deck
charger if you needed it.
Two more comments, that engine and alternator are not going to look that
good if the boat does the traditional Light Schooner capsize and I am
impressed with the sailing pic with an additional stay sail set.
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
> Harry,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Look here:http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/8a2a
>
> This is definitely non-compliant. Even an outboard type tank is
> unacceptable because the engine is in an enclosed space without any type
> of ventilation. There is also the concern that it is air-cooled. This
> is a scary arrangement all around.
>
> As for speed, if it is an AC generator, it is designed to run at 3600
> rpm. That is required for 60 hz with 2 poles.
>
> V/R
> Chris
> Harry James wrote:
>
>> Where are these pictures, I missed the original post.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
>>
>>
>>> That IS a very cool little generator! Though sadly all too right about the USCG not liking it...
>>>
>>> For anyone using the Honda 1000 or 2000 generators ( or Kipor clones) I have a blurb on my
>>> blog on how to convert it to use an outboard fuel tank if that is a help to anyone.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> Even an outboard type tank is unacceptableI'm looking at the bottom left photo in the composite image
> because the engine is in an enclosed space
> without any type of ventilation.
labeled "Generator" and this picture shows a compartment that is
completely open on top. In this case the compartment has more than
enough surface area open to the atmosphere to comply with the USCG
requirements for vented surface area.
The engine is not your typical 3600 rpm gas engine either. This is an
edger/trimmer engine, it says so right there in one of the pictures,
and these tiny little engines spin much faster that 3600 rpm.
Sometimes they max out at 10-12,000 rpm, so I don't think the rotation
speed is an issue here.
The only things I can see in these pictures that might not be USCG
compliant are its gravity-feed fuel system and a carburetor with no
backfire-prevention. I wouldn't be concerned about either of these
issues if a halfway intelligent person is responsible for using and
maintaining it.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
Just noticed the caption says "out of parts" Looking at the wiring I
presume it's a 12V alternator for a car. My car charges sufficiently at
idle. I doubt it runs the alternator faster than 1500 at this speed.
3600 should be acceptable so long as you are not in a hurry.
Does anyone know the typical threshold rpm for an automotive
alternator? I am planning a project that would use one, but is not boat
related.
V/R
Chris
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
presume it's a 12V alternator for a car. My car charges sufficiently at
idle. I doubt it runs the alternator faster than 1500 at this speed.
3600 should be acceptable so long as you are not in a hurry.
Does anyone know the typical threshold rpm for an automotive
alternator? I am planning a project that would use one, but is not boat
related.
V/R
Chris
Christopher Wetherill wrote:
> As for speed, if it is an AC generator, it is designed to run at 3600
> rpm. That is required for 60 hz with 2 poles.
>
>
Harry,
Look here:http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/8a2a
This is definitely non-compliant. Even an outboard type tank is
unacceptable because the engine is in an enclosed space without any type
of ventilation. There is also the concern that it is air-cooled. This
is a scary arrangement all around.
As for speed, if it is an AC generator, it is designed to run at 3600
rpm. That is required for 60 hz with 2 poles.
V/R
Chris
Harry James wrote:
Look here:http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/8a2a
This is definitely non-compliant. Even an outboard type tank is
unacceptable because the engine is in an enclosed space without any type
of ventilation. There is also the concern that it is air-cooled. This
is a scary arrangement all around.
As for speed, if it is an AC generator, it is designed to run at 3600
rpm. That is required for 60 hz with 2 poles.
V/R
Chris
Harry James wrote:
> Where are these pictures, I missed the original post.
>
> HJ
>
> loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
>
>> That IS a very cool little generator! Though sadly all too right about the USCG not liking it...
>>
>> For anyone using the Honda 1000 or 2000 generators ( or Kipor clones) I have a blurb on my
>> blog on how to convert it to use an outboard fuel tank if that is a help to anyone.
>>
>> Bob
>>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
Where are these pictures, I missed the original post.
HJ
loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
HJ
loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
> That IS a very cool little generator! Though sadly all too right about the USCG not liking it...
>
> For anyone using the Honda 1000 or 2000 generators ( or Kipor clones) I have a blurb on my
> blog on how to convert it to use an outboard fuel tank if that is a help to anyone.
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
That IS a very cool little generator! Though sadly all too right about the USCG not liking it...
For anyone using the Honda 1000 or 2000 generators ( or Kipor clones) I have a blurb on my
blog on how to convert it to use an outboard fuel tank if that is a help to anyone.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
For anyone using the Honda 1000 or 2000 generators ( or Kipor clones) I have a blurb on my
blog on how to convert it to use an outboard fuel tank if that is a help to anyone.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
Kirissie
What was this in response too? I missed the original.
HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
What was this in response too? I missed the original.
HJ
Kristine Bennett wrote:
> I was looking at Shallow Water Sailor's photos and I like his genset it's a great idea. I'm not sure how much the alternator will put out turning at 3600 RPM... A lot of them like to be turned 5000 to get full output.
>
> Also seeing the fuel tank in the same space with every thing else, I find a bit scary I know it would be very hard to put in a tank with an outside fill and vent. But I think that would be something the USCG would want to see!
>
> Blessings Kriss
>
>
>
I was looking at Shallow Water Sailor's photos and I like his genset it's a great idea. I'm not sure how much the alternator will put out turning at 3600 RPM... A lot of them like to be turned 5000 to get full output.
Also seeing the fuel tank in the same space with every thing else, I find a bit scary I know it would be very hard to put in a tank with an outside fill and vent. But I think that would be something the USCG would want to see!
Blessings Kriss
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Also seeing the fuel tank in the same space with every thing else, I find a bit scary I know it would be very hard to put in a tank with an outside fill and vent. But I think that would be something the USCG would want to see!
Blessings Kriss
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi John, It seems I am repeatedly being well corrected as you have done here. Let me add here most examples in these corrections have been of smallish boats whereas Mr. Bertram's introduction was of a boat about 65ft or more, although 72ft comes to mind. But this is still good because I would be more interested in something more affordable as well as manageable 46ft or so, but even that's to rich for me right now (hope springs eternal:)
I've been wondering if "The Shape" might sail or not. And there she is 'Surprise' (the perfect name for this moment) thanks to your eagle eyed research. Thanks for this, I'm definitely "Surprised", you have made my week. This is amazing, wonderful. Thank you.
Well shiver me timbers & blow me over, I just finished full speed read, and am thinking with today's lighter more powerful engines she might fly. You know everybody, this holds the best of all three worlds Sail, Displacement & Speed (might actually some type of plane). Brilliant, true genius. Am I excited . . . YYEAH!!! I'll definitely be studying & thinking on this un, amazing. John, you did real good, Thank You, Mike
I've been wondering if "The Shape" might sail or not. And there she is 'Surprise' (the perfect name for this moment) thanks to your eagle eyed research. Thanks for this, I'm definitely "Surprised", you have made my week. This is amazing, wonderful. Thank you.
Well shiver me timbers & blow me over, I just finished full speed read, and am thinking with today's lighter more powerful engines she might fly. You know everybody, this holds the best of all three worlds Sail, Displacement & Speed (might actually some type of plane). Brilliant, true genius. Am I excited . . . YYEAH!!! I'll definitely be studying & thinking on this un, amazing. John, you did real good, Thank You, Mike
--- On Mon, 4/14/08, John Kohnen <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
> From: John Kohnen <jhkohnen@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 14, 2008, 9:29 AM
> Bertram may have thought up the name "power
> sailer" and been the first to
> sell boats so named in the US of A, but the idea of making
> sailing boats
> that go fast under power is much older than the 1980s. One
> example, from
> the late '40s, is Wm. and John Atkin's Surprise:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Surprise.html
>
> Phil Bolger's Fast Motorsailer predates the invention
> of "power sailer"
> too...
>
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:20:04 -0700, Michael W wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is
> classified by as power
> > sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram Yacht and Bertram
> International Yacht
> > fame introduced the first power sailer in the US from
> Australia or New
> > Zealand in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I
> remember)....
>
> --
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> work he
> is supposed to be doing at that moment. <Robert
> Benchley>
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Bertram may have thought up the name "power sailer" and been the first to
sell boats so named in the US of A, but the idea of making sailing boats
that go fast under power is much older than the 1980s. One example, from
the late '40s, is Wm. and John Atkin's Surprise:
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Surprise.html
Phil Bolger's Fast Motorsailer predates the invention of "power sailer"
too...
sell boats so named in the US of A, but the idea of making sailing boats
that go fast under power is much older than the 1980s. One example, from
the late '40s, is Wm. and John Atkin's Surprise:
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Surprise.html
Phil Bolger's Fast Motorsailer predates the invention of "power sailer"
too...
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:20:04 -0700, Michael W wrote:
> ...
> Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is classified by as power
> sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram Yacht and Bertram International Yacht
> fame introduced the first power sailer in the US from Australia or New
> Zealand in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I remember)....
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Hi Chris & Group, Thanks for the response. I quoted "catalog" because I figured there wasn't one but that you might guide me to where I might find a way to know more of them, and you have, thanks. When I've gone to the group site to investigate I sometimes get distracted & forget to hit Files & Photo links which I know would be helpful. Particularly because it fascinates me as to how people personally deal their construction & appearance issues, I always learn something (I like learning).
I have noted the special definition of words or phrases specific to different groups. "Fast Motor Sailer is a specific category in discussion of Bolger designs". A case in point. I sometimes think these group and wider world 'special definitions' cause serious communication problems (gripe). I also think that too many members of this & other groups as well who are or were pros in the marine industry with their own language forget that others are totally new to the idea & truly inexperienced, leaving us outside. Professional writers handle abbreviations & words/phrases by definitions into () and proceed as usual, I will try to do this myself. Graeme, if your reading this, you should have corrected me in your response:) Something told me not to respond to your message & wait. Glad I did. Thanks for those earlier examples, I'd definitely like to see those. The 75th anniversary will be between 2015 & 2025 I believe, but close enough;) Now, my
job...find them. Boating didn't transform my little world until the Motorboating and Sailing July 1973 issue. Boats were there, they just didn't rearrange my brain the way that magazine did.
Your idea of getting there is limited. When I was a kid our family would investigate different parts Wash., D.C., Maryland and Virginia's water line, like seeing the wild Potomac fall into the tidal Potomac, Georgetown, the very high Key Bridge (if you lower your mast you get there past low Memorial Bridge) Memorials of President's Washington, Jefferson & Lincoln on Saturdays. Sundays were spent cruising down the Potomac and as far as the bay, to take my mother to dinner in water front restaurants for her favorite food...spiced & steamed Cheasapeake (Capt. John Smith spelling c1600's) Bay Blue Crab. Some of these places took us all day. Early morning drive to the marina, underway by 8-9am, till past dark, docking between 9pm to midnight, depending on the restaurant location. Amazing & fun things to see & do while getting there. Watching flocks of sailboats race, a vision of Heaven On Earth. Waving to tour boats & Capt.s, crews & passengers waving back.
Water skiers (we didn't know them) skiing & jumping our wake (difficult with a sail boat). Making our own lunches (sandwiches & drinks). With close in restaurants we'd have time to check out beaches and exposed sandbars. "Getting there" was most of the fun. And some peoples lives don't revolve around partying and rendezvous can be quiet & restful.
I want to finally, learn how to sail (for the quiet & accomplishment) as long as it's manageable with arthritic joints, the joint ail from great & prolonged stress (one of the ways stress kills). The more strain, the more pain. They definitely use less fuel, sometimes non at all:)
Sorry folks, they just wouldn't stop typing. Thanks all, Mike
I have noted the special definition of words or phrases specific to different groups. "Fast Motor Sailer is a specific category in discussion of Bolger designs". A case in point. I sometimes think these group and wider world 'special definitions' cause serious communication problems (gripe). I also think that too many members of this & other groups as well who are or were pros in the marine industry with their own language forget that others are totally new to the idea & truly inexperienced, leaving us outside. Professional writers handle abbreviations & words/phrases by definitions into () and proceed as usual, I will try to do this myself. Graeme, if your reading this, you should have corrected me in your response:) Something told me not to respond to your message & wait. Glad I did. Thanks for those earlier examples, I'd definitely like to see those. The 75th anniversary will be between 2015 & 2025 I believe, but close enough;) Now, my
job...find them. Boating didn't transform my little world until the Motorboating and Sailing July 1973 issue. Boats were there, they just didn't rearrange my brain the way that magazine did.
Your idea of getting there is limited. When I was a kid our family would investigate different parts Wash., D.C., Maryland and Virginia's water line, like seeing the wild Potomac fall into the tidal Potomac, Georgetown, the very high Key Bridge (if you lower your mast you get there past low Memorial Bridge) Memorials of President's Washington, Jefferson & Lincoln on Saturdays. Sundays were spent cruising down the Potomac and as far as the bay, to take my mother to dinner in water front restaurants for her favorite food...spiced & steamed Cheasapeake (Capt. John Smith spelling c1600's) Bay Blue Crab. Some of these places took us all day. Early morning drive to the marina, underway by 8-9am, till past dark, docking between 9pm to midnight, depending on the restaurant location. Amazing & fun things to see & do while getting there. Watching flocks of sailboats race, a vision of Heaven On Earth. Waving to tour boats & Capt.s, crews & passengers waving back.
Water skiers (we didn't know them) skiing & jumping our wake (difficult with a sail boat). Making our own lunches (sandwiches & drinks). With close in restaurants we'd have time to check out beaches and exposed sandbars. "Getting there" was most of the fun. And some peoples lives don't revolve around partying and rendezvous can be quiet & restful.
I want to finally, learn how to sail (for the quiet & accomplishment) as long as it's manageable with arthritic joints, the joint ail from great & prolonged stress (one of the ways stress kills). The more strain, the more pain. They definitely use less fuel, sometimes non at all:)
Sorry folks, they just wouldn't stop typing. Thanks all, Mike
--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> From: Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:57 PM
> Mike,
>
> in the files section of The best thing you can do to
> casually
> familiarize yourself with the Bolger world is to poke
> around the various
> Yahoo groups with that theme. From there you can branch
> out to several
> more detailed or varied places. There is no design
> catalog. I am aware
> of only the informal spreadsheet in one of these groups.
> Bolger has
> writen a number of books, but only a few of them are
> currently in print.
>
> For the record, Fast Motor Sailer is a specific category in
> discussion
> of Bolger designs. Most often it refers to a design shown
> in a chapter
> of Boats with an Open Mind, but as Graeme points out in a
> recent post on
> this thread, there are a number of related Bolger designs
> that fit the
> descrioption.
>
> As for my boating preference it is simple. There are, in
> my estimation,
> two general types of boating, getting there and being
> there. I find the
> process of getting there in a sailboat more relaxing than
> racing to a
> rafting rendezvous and partying. The other reason is that
> sailboats
> use less gas.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Michael Walther wrote:
> > Hi again Chris, Sorry to take so long, had things to
> do and wasn't ignoring its content. Walking back from
> the grocery store I realized I kinda missed what you were
> saying in this message. I am curious, if your not
> interested in power boats, What's or why's the
> question?
> > Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is
> classified by as power sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram
> Yacht and Bertram International Yacht fame introduced the
> first power sailer in the US from Australia or New Zealand
> in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I remember). So I
> could know what the boats your looking to build are, I went
> searching & to my surprise couldn't find anything.
> Only phone # & address. Could you or somebody please
> send me a link to a "catalog" of his boats,
> it'd be great to know what your talking about.
> Thanks, Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Mike,
in the files section of The best thing you can do to casually
familiarize yourself with the Bolger world is to poke around the various
Yahoo groups with that theme. From there you can branch out to several
more detailed or varied places. There is no design catalog. I am aware
of only the informal spreadsheet in one of these groups. Bolger has
writen a number of books, but only a few of them are currently in print.
For the record, Fast Motor Sailer is a specific category in discussion
of Bolger designs. Most often it refers to a design shown in a chapter
of Boats with an Open Mind, but as Graeme points out in a recent post on
this thread, there are a number of related Bolger designs that fit the
descrioption.
As for my boating preference it is simple. There are, in my estimation,
two general types of boating, getting there and being there. I find the
process of getting there in a sailboat more relaxing than racing to a
rafting rendezvous and partying. The other reason is that sailboats
use less gas.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
in the files section of The best thing you can do to casually
familiarize yourself with the Bolger world is to poke around the various
Yahoo groups with that theme. From there you can branch out to several
more detailed or varied places. There is no design catalog. I am aware
of only the informal spreadsheet in one of these groups. Bolger has
writen a number of books, but only a few of them are currently in print.
For the record, Fast Motor Sailer is a specific category in discussion
of Bolger designs. Most often it refers to a design shown in a chapter
of Boats with an Open Mind, but as Graeme points out in a recent post on
this thread, there are a number of related Bolger designs that fit the
descrioption.
As for my boating preference it is simple. There are, in my estimation,
two general types of boating, getting there and being there. I find the
process of getting there in a sailboat more relaxing than racing to a
rafting rendezvous and partying. The other reason is that sailboats
use less gas.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
> Hi again Chris, Sorry to take so long, had things to do and wasn't ignoring its content. Walking back from the grocery store I realized I kinda missed what you were saying in this message. I am curious, if your not interested in power boats, What's or why's the question?
> Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is classified by as power sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram Yacht and Bertram International Yacht fame introduced the first power sailer in the US from Australia or New Zealand in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I remember). So I could know what the boats your looking to build are, I went searching & to my surprise couldn't find anything. Only phone # & address. Could you or somebody please send me a link to a "catalog" of his boats, it'd be great to know what your talking about. Thanks, Mike
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill"
<wetherillc@...> wrote:
10 years before that particular fast motor sailor - perhaps the late
70's. Plywood construction - five straker - kind of like a Diabolo
with cabin etc. Bill McKibben built both - in fact both were designed
to meet his request.
But then there were at least two earlier ones aimed to satisfy a
similar wish list. They weren't for plywood. The second of the two,
designs was for edge nailed strip, which today could likely be done
using epoxy glue and glass-epoxy sheathing. It was a stripper to
avoid the inevitable depreciation of boxy plywood sheet construction.
That design from probably the mid 60's got second prize in a design
contest sponsored by the then popular "Motorboating and Sailing"
magazine. It didn't prove too popular itself at the time though, but
Bolger reckoned even though its time had not come that it would make
someone a a "nice boat". It is a nice plan. And Bolger learnt
something for the future about a rig not only being simple, but also
appearing to be so.
Twenty years before that, we're told in the ECONOMY MOTORSAILER
chapter of "The Folding Schooner...", came the design that this one
in turn was based on. It also was a "technical but not a commercial
success." So that's the 40's installment... a long time before
Macgreggor, with less powerand no water ballast . Maybe a 75th
annivesary is due any time now??
I'd be prepared to bet there are even more installments from Bolger's
pen on this theme, at least over the last twenty years.
Graeme
<wetherillc@...> wrote:
>There's an earlier version of the 80's FAST MOTOR SAILER from maybe
> Mike,
>
> I think this is what I would build if I were into power boats.
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
10 years before that particular fast motor sailor - perhaps the late
70's. Plywood construction - five straker - kind of like a Diabolo
with cabin etc. Bill McKibben built both - in fact both were designed
to meet his request.
But then there were at least two earlier ones aimed to satisfy a
similar wish list. They weren't for plywood. The second of the two,
designs was for edge nailed strip, which today could likely be done
using epoxy glue and glass-epoxy sheathing. It was a stripper to
avoid the inevitable depreciation of boxy plywood sheet construction.
That design from probably the mid 60's got second prize in a design
contest sponsored by the then popular "Motorboating and Sailing"
magazine. It didn't prove too popular itself at the time though, but
Bolger reckoned even though its time had not come that it would make
someone a a "nice boat". It is a nice plan. And Bolger learnt
something for the future about a rig not only being simple, but also
appearing to be so.
Twenty years before that, we're told in the ECONOMY MOTORSAILER
chapter of "The Folding Schooner...", came the design that this one
in turn was based on. It also was a "technical but not a commercial
success." So that's the 40's installment... a long time before
Macgreggor, with less powerand no water ballast . Maybe a 75th
annivesary is due any time now??
I'd be prepared to bet there are even more installments from Bolger's
pen on this theme, at least over the last twenty years.
Graeme
Hi again Chris, Sorry to take so long, had things to do and wasn't ignoring its content. Walking back from the grocery store I realized I kinda missed what you were saying in this message. I am curious, if your not interested in power boats, What's or why's the question?
Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is classified by as power sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram Yacht and Bertram International Yacht fame introduced the first power sailer in the US from Australia or New Zealand in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I remember). So I could know what the boats your looking to build are, I went searching & to my surprise couldn't find anything. Only phone # & address. Could you or somebody please send me a link to a "catalog" of his boats, it'd be great to know what your talking about. Thanks, Mike
Just so you know, a motor sailer that is fast is classified by as power sailer. Richard Bertram of Bertram Yacht and Bertram International Yacht fame introduced the first power sailer in the US from Australia or New Zealand in the late 80s early 90s (as far as I remember). So I could know what the boats your looking to build are, I went searching & to my surprise couldn't find anything. Only phone # & address. Could you or somebody please send me a link to a "catalog" of his boats, it'd be great to know what your talking about. Thanks, Mike
--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> From: Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 6:17 PM
> Mike,
>
> I think this is what I would build if I were into power
> boats.
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
>
> I hope to build Windsprint or Junebug soon.
>
> Michael Walther wrote:
> > Hey Chris, I just remembered these, now that I've
> chilled some. I think the boat you showed us, plus this @
>http://www.vandamwoodcraft.com/then click Chiara , were
> inspired by this @
>http://www.wally.com/jumpch.asp?idChannel=41&idUser=0&attivo=2-1
> , maybe Wally was inspired by Sneakeasy;). Thanks, Mike
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Michael Walther
> <michawalth3@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Michael Walther
> <michawalth3@...>
> >> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat
> design looks like a bolger
> >> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:19 PM
> >> Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all
> stoked, Great
> >> boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks,
> twas great
> >> link. I could definately get into that thang, Me
> likey
> >> whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what
> I'd
> >> prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt
> the two.
> >> Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill
> >> <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Christopher C. Wetherill
> >>>
> >> <wetherillc@...>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new
> boat
> >>>
> >> design looks like a bolger
> >>
> >>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's the one I was referring to. The
> original
> >>>
> >> design
> >>
> >>> had a flat
> >>> bottom. It is available from
> instantboats.com. You
> >>>
> >> will
> >>
> >>> more often see
> >>> reference to "box keel" instead of
> cutwater.
> >>>
> >>> If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind,
> I
> >>>
> >> believe
> >>
> >>> there is a
> >>> discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
> >>>
> >>> Here's the original subject.
> >>>
>http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt
> >>>
> >> is
> >>
> >>> much beamier
> >>> than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like
> Fast
> >>> Motorsailer, in terms
> >>> of hull proportion.
> >>>
> >>> V/R
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> Michael Walther wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Chris, Your right. What is a
> >>>>
> >> "cutwater"
> >>
> >>> Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized'
> Sneakeasy
> >>>
> >> that I
> >>
> >>> know of, is @
> >>>
> >>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
> >>
> >>> But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause
> I liked
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> link he gave us (lots of other good stuff
> there:).
> >>> Thanks, Mike
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Hey Chris, Thanks for the responses. They both have V bottoms, you can see Bullitt's in stern shot underway & the same for Wally's power boats. A euro-mag ('Yacht Design International' ?) did a feature on Wally's development of the powerboats hull design about 15yrs ago I think it was. I saw the fast motorsailer recently here I think, then managed to forget about it. I found it interesting & kept the email with the link. It's like William Atkin's Rescue Minor but not, @http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Utilities/RescueMinor.html. He designed all kinds, power, sail, paddle wheel for pros & u-build-its. Has good yahoo group too, @http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtkinBoats/(case your interested). I mentioned the covered fore deck for the bullitt & would like it not so rounded as sneakeasy's, with some miner flaring in the bow too, would look more elegant I think. Thanks for sharing the kool links & stuff, Mike
--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> From: Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 6:01 PM
> I think you may have something here. Wallytender and
> Bullitt look very
> similar. It is hard to tell, but they may be v-bottom.
> This would make
> them entirely different from the cutwater/box keel theme
> from Bolger. I
> don't have time right now to dig up the pointer, but I
> think there are
> Bolger designs that have the interior chine of the cutwater
> faired to a
> v. Topaz comes to mind.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Michael Walther wrote:
> > Hey Chris, I just remembered these, now that I've
> chilled some. I think the boat you showed us, plus this @
>http://www.vandamwoodcraft.com/then click Chiara , were
> inspired by this @
>http://www.wally.com/jumpch.asp?idChannel=41&idUser=0&attivo=2-1
> , maybe Wally was inspired by Sneakeasy;). Thanks, Mike
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Michael Walther
> <michawalth3@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Michael Walther
> <michawalth3@...>
> >> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat
> design looks like a bolger
> >> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:19 PM
> >> Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all
> stoked, Great
> >> boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks,
> twas great
> >> link. I could definately get into that thang, Me
> likey
> >> whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what
> I'd
> >> prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt
> the two.
> >> Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill
> >> <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Christopher C. Wetherill
> >>>
> >> <wetherillc@...>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new
> boat
> >>>
> >> design looks like a bolger
> >>
> >>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's the one I was referring to. The
> original
> >>>
> >> design
> >>
> >>> had a flat
> >>> bottom. It is available from
> instantboats.com. You
> >>>
> >> will
> >>
> >>> more often see
> >>> reference to "box keel" instead of
> cutwater.
> >>>
> >>> If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind,
> I
> >>>
> >> believe
> >>
> >>> there is a
> >>> discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
> >>>
> >>> Here's the original subject.
> >>>
>http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt
> >>>
> >> is
> >>
> >>> much beamier
> >>> than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like
> Fast
> >>> Motorsailer, in terms
> >>> of hull proportion.
> >>>
> >>> V/R
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> Michael Walther wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Chris, Your right. What is a
> >>>>
> >> "cutwater"
> >>
> >>> Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized'
> Sneakeasy
> >>>
> >> that I
> >>
> >>> know of, is @
> >>>
> >>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
> >>
> >>> But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause
> I liked
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> link he gave us (lots of other good stuff
> there:).
> >>> Thanks, Mike
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Bolger rules!!!
> >>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!!
> Please!
> >>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming,
> respamming,
> >>>
> >> or
> >>
> >>> flogging dead horses
> >>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
> >>>
> >> 'Ed,
> >>
> >>> thanks, Fred' posts
> >>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
> posts,
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> snip away
> >>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> >>>
> >> Gloucester,
> >>
> >>> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> >>> - Unsubscribe:
>bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >>> - Open discussion:
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> >>>
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> Please!
> >> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming,
> respamming, or
> >> flogging dead horses
> >> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
> 'Ed,
> >> thanks, Fred' posts
> >> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your
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> >> snip away
> >> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
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> >> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
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> Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:
>bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo!
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
> snip away
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Mike,
I think this is what I would build if I were into power boats.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
I hope to build Windsprint or Junebug soon.
Michael Walther wrote:
I think this is what I would build if I were into power boats.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/fms.htm
I hope to build Windsprint or Junebug soon.
Michael Walther wrote:
> Hey Chris, I just remembered these, now that I've chilled some. I think the boat you showed us, plus this @http://www.vandamwoodcraft.com/then click Chiara , were inspired by this @http://www.wally.com/jumpch.asp?idChannel=41&idUser=0&attivo=2-1, maybe Wally was inspired by Sneakeasy;). Thanks, Mike
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@...> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:19 PM
>> Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all stoked, Great
>> boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks, twas great
>> link. I could definately get into that thang, Me likey
>> whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what I'd
>> prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt the two.
>> Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill
>> <wetherillc@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Christopher C. Wetherill
>>>
>> <wetherillc@...>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat
>>>
>> design looks like a bolger
>>
>>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> That's the one I was referring to. The original
>>>
>> design
>>
>>> had a flat
>>> bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You
>>>
>> will
>>
>>> more often see
>>> reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
>>>
>>> If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I
>>>
>> believe
>>
>>> there is a
>>> discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
>>>
>>> Here's the original subject.
>>>http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt
>>>
>> is
>>
>>> much beamier
>>> than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast
>>> Motorsailer, in terms
>>> of hull proportion.
>>>
>>> V/R
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Michael Walther wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris, Your right. What is a
>>>>
>> "cutwater"
>>
>>> Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy
>>>
>> that I
>>
>>> know of, is @
>>>
>>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
>>
>>> But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:).
>>> Thanks, Mike
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Bolger rules!!!
>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming,
>>>
>> or
>>
>>> flogging dead horses
>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
>>>
>> 'Ed,
>>
>>> thanks, Fred' posts
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
>>>
>> and
>>
>>> snip away
>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
>>>
>> Gloucester,
>>
>>> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>> - Open discussion:
>>>bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo!
>>> Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
>> flogging dead horses
>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
>> thanks, Fred' posts
>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
>> snip away
>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
I think you may have something here. Wallytender and Bullitt look very
similar. It is hard to tell, but they may be v-bottom. This would make
them entirely different from the cutwater/box keel theme from Bolger. I
don't have time right now to dig up the pointer, but I think there are
Bolger designs that have the interior chine of the cutwater faired to a
v. Topaz comes to mind.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
similar. It is hard to tell, but they may be v-bottom. This would make
them entirely different from the cutwater/box keel theme from Bolger. I
don't have time right now to dig up the pointer, but I think there are
Bolger designs that have the interior chine of the cutwater faired to a
v. Topaz comes to mind.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
> Hey Chris, I just remembered these, now that I've chilled some. I think the boat you showed us, plus this @http://www.vandamwoodcraft.com/then click Chiara , were inspired by this @http://www.wally.com/jumpch.asp?idChannel=41&idUser=0&attivo=2-1, maybe Wally was inspired by Sneakeasy;). Thanks, Mike
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@...> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:19 PM
>> Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all stoked, Great
>> boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks, twas great
>> link. I could definately get into that thang, Me likey
>> whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what I'd
>> prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt the two.
>> Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill
>> <wetherillc@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Christopher C. Wetherill
>>>
>> <wetherillc@...>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat
>>>
>> design looks like a bolger
>>
>>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> That's the one I was referring to. The original
>>>
>> design
>>
>>> had a flat
>>> bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You
>>>
>> will
>>
>>> more often see
>>> reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
>>>
>>> If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I
>>>
>> believe
>>
>>> there is a
>>> discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
>>>
>>> Here's the original subject.
>>>http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt
>>>
>> is
>>
>>> much beamier
>>> than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast
>>> Motorsailer, in terms
>>> of hull proportion.
>>>
>>> V/R
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Michael Walther wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris, Your right. What is a
>>>>
>> "cutwater"
>>
>>> Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy
>>>
>> that I
>>
>>> know of, is @
>>>
>>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
>>
>>> But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:).
>>> Thanks, Mike
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
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Hey Chris, I just remembered these, now that I've chilled some. I think the boat you showed us, plus this @http://www.vandamwoodcraft.com/then click Chiara , were inspired by this @http://www.wally.com/jumpch.asp?idChannel=41&idUser=0&attivo=2-1, maybe Wally was inspired by Sneakeasy;). Thanks, Mike
--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@...> wrote:
> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 5:19 PM
> Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all stoked, Great
> boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks, twas great
> link. I could definately get into that thang, Me likey
> whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what I'd
> prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt the two.
> Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill
> <wetherillc@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Christopher C. Wetherill
> <wetherillc@...>
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat
> design looks like a bolger
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
> > Mike,
> >
> >
> > That's the one I was referring to. The original
> design
> > had a flat
> > bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You
> will
> > more often see
> > reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
> >
> > If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I
> believe
> > there is a
> > discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
> >
> > Here's the original subject.
> >http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt
> is
> > much beamier
> > than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast
> > Motorsailer, in terms
> > of hull proportion.
> >
> > V/R
> > Chris
> >
> > Michael Walther wrote:
> > > Hi Chris, Your right. What is a
> "cutwater"
> > Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy
> that I
> > know of, is @
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
> > But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked
> the
> > link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:).
> > Thanks, Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming,
> or
> > flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
> 'Ed,
> > thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
> and
> > snip away
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> > MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
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> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Hey Chris, Glad I had for you. Ya got me all stoked, Great boat boat porn furshur. Thanks, thanks, thanks, twas great link. I could definately get into that thang, Me likey whole bunch. Would prefer ... don't know what I'd prefer, slightly different, maybe somewhere twixt the two. Covered foredeck? Anyway thanks again, Mike
--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> From: Christopher C. Wetherill <wetherillc@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:36 PM
> Mike,
>
>
> That's the one I was referring to. The original design
> had a flat
> bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You will
> more often see
> reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
>
> If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I believe
> there is a
> discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
>
> Here's the original subject.
>http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt is
> much beamier
> than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast
> Motorsailer, in terms
> of hull proportion.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Michael Walther wrote:
> > Hi Chris, Your right. What is a "cutwater"
> Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy that I
> know of, is @http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html.
> But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked the
> link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:).
> Thanks, Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
> snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Mike,
That's the one I was referring to. The original design had a flat
bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You will more often see
reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I believe there is a
discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
Here's the original subject.
http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt is much beamier
than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast Motorsailer, in terms
of hull proportion.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
That's the one I was referring to. The original design had a flat
bottom. It is available from instantboats.com. You will more often see
reference to "box keel" instead of cutwater.
If you have access to Boats with an Open Mind, I believe there is a
discussion of the genesis of the Sneakeasy.
Here's the original subject.
http://homepage.mac.com/jcboats/bullittpage.htmlIt is much beamier
than Sneakeasy. In fact, it looks a lot like Fast Motorsailer, in terms
of hull proportion.
V/R
Chris
Michael Walther wrote:
> Hi Chris, Your right. What is a "cutwater" Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy that I know of, is @http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html. But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked the link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:). Thanks, Mike
>
>
>
>
Hi Chris, Your right. What is a "cutwater" Sneakeasy? the only 'modernized' Sneakeasy that I know of, is @http://www.carlsondesign.com/sneakesy.html. But I,m glad Bill Kreamer forked it up, cause I liked the link he gave us (lots of other good stuff there:). Thanks, Mike
--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...> wrote:
> From: Christopher Wetherill <wetherillc@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like a bolger
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 2:37 PM
> This thread seems to have forked. the original subject was
> a runabout
> that looks like a modernized cutwater Sneakeasy. I
> can't find the link
> to it right now, but I have it on my laptop.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Bill Kreamer wrote:
> > Found it.-
> > Would a conventional prop would be better (more
> efficient)?
> > Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
> >
>http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
> > _____
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
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> thanks, Fred' posts
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This thread seems to have forked. the original subject was a runabout
that looks like a modernized cutwater Sneakeasy. I can't find the link
to it right now, but I have it on my laptop.
V/R
Chris
Bill Kreamer wrote:
that looks like a modernized cutwater Sneakeasy. I can't find the link
to it right now, but I have it on my laptop.
V/R
Chris
Bill Kreamer wrote:
> Found it.-
> Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
> Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
>http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
> _____
>
>
Yes, and this was proven in 1845. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Rattler_(1843)
Howard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Rattler_(1843)
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
>
> The answer is yes a prop is more efficient then the simple paddle
wheel
> Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?Hmmm? Topic:"green boating"
Solar power vs. wind power.
I think I would choose the wind powered boat.
Leave it to a treehugger to try and reinvent the wheel! The answer is yes a prop is more efficient then the simple paddle wheel they have shown. I think they are using it, do to it being simple and CHEAP. A well designed slow speed and low power prop would work very well. I've seen a couple of and I was suprised at the amount of pull they had.
Kriss
Bill Kreamer <kreamers@...> wrote: Found it.-
Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Bill Kreamer <kreamers@...> wrote: Found it.-
Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Leave it to a treehugger to try and reinvent the wheel! The answer is yes a prop is more efficient then the simple paddle wheel they have shown. I think they are using it, do to it being simple and CHEAP. A well designed slow speed and low power prop would work very well. I've seen a couple of and I was suprised at the amount of pull they had.
Kriss
Bill Kreamer <kreamers@...> wrote: Found it.-
Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Bill Kreamer <kreamers@...> wrote: Found it.-
Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Found it.-
Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like
a bolger
Where did you see it. Google turns up squat, thanks.
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Would a conventional prop would be better (more efficient)?
Someone who knows about prop efficiency chime in?
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/solar-bicycle-boat.php
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:26 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Looking for info on new boat design looks like
a bolger
Where did you see it. Google turns up squat, thanks.
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> I was surfing the net and came across this one pic. Looks like alike
> Bolger cutwater bow design. Anyone have any info on this? Looks
> a sweet ride. Picture is posted as Globalcool Powerboat.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bob in RI
>
>
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> I was surfing the net and came across this one pic. Looks like a[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Bolger cutwater bow design. Anyone have any info on this? Looks like
> a sweet ride. Picture is posted as Globalcool Powerboat.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bob in RI
>
>
I was surfing the net and came across this one pic. Looks like a
Bolger cutwater bow design. Anyone have any info on this? Looks like
a sweet ride. Picture is posted as Globalcool Powerboat.
Thanks in advance
Bob in RI
Bolger cutwater bow design. Anyone have any info on this? Looks like
a sweet ride. Picture is posted as Globalcool Powerboat.
Thanks in advance
Bob in RI