Re: boats with plumb sides.

--- On Sun, 4/13/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@...> wrote:

> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 13, 2008, 11:08 PM
> Hi Chris, At this point I think your best bet would be to
> try this suggestion from Douglas Pollard, "I built a
> cover for her using A frames and a ridge pole covered with
> canvas with both ends open It covered the whole boat in
> the winter. The mast was removed in the fall and stored in
> a shed.
> During the summer, a short section of the canvas was
> used to cover
> the cockpit and there again a short section of the A frame
> held it up.
> Worked good. I would row out to her in a dingy remove the
> cover and put
> it in the dingy along with the frame and leave the dingy
> tied to the
> mooring while I went sailing for a day or two. A little
> trouble but
> worked great".
> I have seen this in illustrations and photos of boats in
> winter on land and in water. It must work I've seen it
> in boat yards personally. As for your towel worry, wet
> towels will not rot the wood any faster than sitting water.
> After driving miles out of your way the simple difference is
> a lot less time and work wiping up. Leaving you time to
> properly cover your boat.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/13/08, Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, April 13, 2008, 7:32 PM
> > > Hi Group, From everything that I've read here
> it
> > sounds more like the
> > > problem is not rain but condensation. If
> that's
> > the case then you
> > > need to figure some way of getting air
> circulation in
> > there and maybe
> > > also tilt boat & leave towels at low point
> in the
> > boat to absorb the
> > > water so it doesn't sit (must change them
> > daily:).
> >
> >
> > My problem is the lack of air circulation *underneath*
> the
> > standing
> > water that comes from precipitation. Leaving a towel
> in a
> > boat is an
> > invitation to rot--it holds water. Sure, "change
> them
> > daily" but then
> > why not just wipe things out daily? The problem is in
> not
> > being able to
> > check on my boat every day, being miles out of my way,
> and
> > with access
> > rendered impossible when snow or ice is on the ground.
> >
> > Sure, the problem is condensation, if you mean the
> > condensation that
> > comes down from clouds.
> >
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--- On Sun, 4/13/08, Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, April 13, 2008, 7:32 PM
> > Hi Group, From everything that I've read here it
> sounds more like the
> > problem is not rain but condensation. If that's
> the case then you
> > need to figure some way of getting air circulation in
> there and maybe
> > also tilt boat & leave towels at low point in the
> boat to absorb the
> > water so it doesn't sit (must change them
> daily:).
>
>
> My problem is the lack of air circulation *underneath* the
> standing
> water that comes from precipitation. Leaving a towel in a
> boat is an
> invitation to rot--it holds water. Sure, "change them
> daily" but then
> why not just wipe things out daily? The problem is in not
> being able to
> check on my boat every day, being miles out of my way, and
> with access
> rendered impossible when snow or ice is on the ground.
>
> Sure, the problem is condensation, if you mean the
> condensation that
> comes down from clouds.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:53 PM
> Doug I remember the same thing only I grew up around the
> fishing boats and work boats here in the Northwest.
>
> I remember watching one of the old timers using a calking
> iron doing the seams on a couple of planks that were just
> replaced on one of the Alaska fish boats.
> Yep an art in it's self.
>
> When I got a little older I helped Dad replace a few planks
> on one boat he was working on getting it ready for the
> fishing season. Then the next years Dad started building
> his own 40 foot troller for Alaskan water. I was right in
> there after school and weekends. As far as I know the
> Shinaku is still fishing in Alaska.
>
> Yep the old days are going away but every now and then you
> happen into a boat yard and the old timers are still there
> handing down their tricks to the trade to any one that
> wants to learn!
>
> Blessings Krissie
> From: Douglas Pollard <Dougpol1@comcast. net>
>
> That is not really true that boats were not intended to
> last long.. I
> came from the wooden boat era and boats were expected to
> last a
> lifetime and to some degree so were automobiles. After all
> 1930's
> automobiles well maintained would still be in use today
> had we not been
> convinced to throw everything away. They both took
> maintenance though.
> The boat I had in my early twenties was 54 years old when
> I got her.
> Many work boats were over a hundred years old.
> To start with boats were build out of very old trees,
> only. If a
> builder ordered lumber he went to look at it and if the
> grain was not
> tight enough it would not be bought. Many builders cut
> their own timber
> cut it up and air dried it. But there was more, they
> poisoned it by
> every means available with. lead. tin oxide, copper and
> arsenic. Pine
> tare, pitch and naphtha were used as well.
> In the 1950's when the first glass boats came out they
> were poo,
> pooed by boat people because they were only expected to
> last thirty
> years. A fact that was covered up by builders as soon as
> possible. It
> was the educated upper middle class that bought glass
> sailboats. Fiber
> glass did not catch on bating people for a while. It was
> the none
> boating boaters that bought them, Doctors, lawyers and
> business men.
> I remember the Captain of a big working skipjack saying he
> hit the
> newly built Chesapeake bay bridge and broke the mast off
> his boat. He
> was amazed that they cut a piece and spliced the mast and
> in his words,
> "There weren't narrey a screw nore a nail
> in"er no place. Just like I
> thought I had to replace it in less than 25 years. I new
> it weren't
> no good!
> If you kept a sail boat in a boat yard ( no marinas then)
> you kept
> it on a mooring covered so the wind could blow through
> her. You kept
> an A frame and canvas on her with both ends open during
> the winter. The
> mast and rigging was removed and stored in a shed. Spring
> was a big
> deal we worked on boats through April and May and it
> usually took
> that long to replace rot caulking and paint. If you had a
> finely
> built sailboat with steam bent frames and maybe white
> cedar or juniper
> planking and the frames and stem went bad. You planned
> ahead and
> replaced the stem one year and took half the frames the
> next and the
> rest of them the third year. Canvas covered decks were
> good for at
> least 20 years. The transom when bad along with the plank
> ends so I cut
> a foot off the boat length and replace the transom.
> I was young and didn't have the know how but the
> boatyard was full
> of older men that did. We all got together in the evenings
> at the boat
> yard and A kid like me got the advice of all and usually
> some real
> physical help. There was a wealth of knowledge available
> to all who
> needed it. In the yard where I kept my boat the owner of
> the yard was a
> Naval Architect and a boat builder and he was always
> available to help.
> These older men were grateful to us younger men for
> carrying on a
> tradition that they loved so their advice was freely
> given.
> This spring time comradely is the thing I miss most in
> boating
> today. It was hard work but the evenings by a fire where
> we all set
> around talking boats every Saturday night in April and May
> were
> wonderful. There was usually someone with a Harpsichord or
> banjo and
> even the yard owner and family would come out and join in.
> As the place became a marina and it filled with glass
> throw away
> boats all this began to change. Even the conversations
> changed to
> things other than boats.
> By the way I think glass boats are the handiest thing
> since breasts
> on a young girl. They allowed people to have and afford
> boats they wold
> never otherwise have. Back in the days of Sam Crocker,
> Hershoff, and
> other historical designers only very determined upper
> middle class
> people could have a fine sleek sailboat built. Us poor
> folks as
> tradesmen where known to be built our own slightly crude
> Chesapeake
> style boats or bought used work boats. Even these were a
> huge
> investment in money an labor and they were intended to be
> handed down
> to children and grand children. No one intended a boat to
> only last 30
> years. That would have been a supreme foolishness and a
> very poor use
> of money and time. Back when I was a child these bay boats
> were fishing
> boats. We used them to crab, oyster, fish and even shoot
> squires and
> ducks from. They were expected to pay their way and then
> some. They
> were sailboats or row boats because engines were hard to
> come by, not
> because people loved to sail but that was the way to get
> out in the bay.
> The only truck we had with yacht clubs was to set in our
> boat
> fishing and listening to the music wafting across the
> water. If close
> enough you could see people dressed in tux and evening
> gown walking and
> talking on the vast front porch of the old one time house
> of illrepute.
> Their voices traveled across the water at night and we
> could her talk of
> investments, the stock market and high finance all a
> foreign language to
> us. I know how it must have felt to be a peasant listening
> to the good
> time being had in a royal castle. It was enough just to
> listen.
> We did not keep boats in a boat yards we kept them at home
> when I
> was a child but in my twenties sailing and boating became
> a hobby. We
> were more prosperous than our fathers and as a machinist
> in Bethlehem
> Steel company I was really surprised and maybe even a
> little resentful
> to hear that I was middle class. I was more interested in
> following in
> my family tradition of being better off than most other
> poor folks. Now
> I found myself at the bottom of the middle class and that
> seemed somehow
> a step down. I had to go into the Machine shop business
> with my eyes
> set on being at least upper middle class. Never wanted to
> be rich as I
> would again feel at the bottom.
> Sorry I have wondered from my subject. A habit!
>
> Doug
>
>





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--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:53 PM
> Doug I remember the same thing only I grew up around the
> fishing boats and work boats here in the Northwest.
>
> I remember watching one of the old timers using a calking
> iron doing the seams on a couple of planks that were just
> replaced on one of the Alaska fish boats.
> Yep an art in it's self.
>
> When I got a little older I helped Dad replace a few planks
> on one boat he was working on getting it ready for the
> fishing season. Then the next years Dad started building
> his own 40 foot troller for Alaskan water. I was right in
> there after school and weekends. As far as I know the
> Shinaku is still fishing in Alaska.
>
> Yep the old days are going away but every now and then you
> happen into a boat yard and the old timers are still there
> handing down their tricks to the trade to any one that
> wants to learn!
>
> Blessings Krissie
> From: Douglas Pollard <Dougpol1@comcast. net>
>
> That is not really true that boats were not intended to
> last long.. I
> came from the wooden boat era and boats were expected to
> last a
> lifetime and to some degree so were automobiles. After all
> 1930's
> automobiles well maintained would still be in use today
> had we not been
> convinced to throw everything away. They both took
> maintenance though.
> The boat I had in my early twenties was 54 years old when
> I got her.
> Many work boats were over a hundred years old.
> To start with boats were build out of very old trees,
> only. If a
> builder ordered lumber he went to look at it and if the
> grain was not
> tight enough it would not be bought. Many builders cut
> their own timber
> cut it up and air dried it. But there was more, they
> poisoned it by
> every means available with. lead. tin oxide, copper and
> arsenic. Pine
> tare, pitch and naphtha were used as well.
> In the 1950's when the first glass boats came out they
> were poo,
> pooed by boat people because they were only expected to
> last thirty
> years. A fact that was covered up by builders as soon as
> possible. It
> was the educated upper middle class that bought glass
> sailboats. Fiber
> glass did not catch on bating people for a while. It was
> the none
> boating boaters that bought them, Doctors, lawyers and
> business men.
> I remember the Captain of a big working skipjack saying he
> hit the
> newly built Chesapeake bay bridge and broke the mast off
> his boat. He
> was amazed that they cut a piece and spliced the mast and
> in his words,
> "There weren't narrey a screw nore a nail
> in"er no place. Just like I
> thought I had to replace it in less than 25 years. I new
> it weren't
> no good!
> If you kept a sail boat in a boat yard ( no marinas then)
> you kept
> it on a mooring covered so the wind could blow through
> her. You kept
> an A frame and canvas on her with both ends open during
> the winter. The
> mast and rigging was removed and stored in a shed. Spring
> was a big
> deal we worked on boats through April and May and it
> usually took
> that long to replace rot caulking and paint. If you had a
> finely
> built sailboat with steam bent frames and maybe white
> cedar or juniper
> planking and the frames and stem went bad. You planned
> ahead and
> replaced the stem one year and took half the frames the
> next and the
> rest of them the third year. Canvas covered decks were
> good for at
> least 20 years. The transom when bad along with the plank
> ends so I cut
> a foot off the boat length and replace the transom.
> I was young and didn't have the know how but the
> boatyard was full
> of older men that did. We all got together in the evenings
> at the boat
> yard and A kid like me got the advice of all and usually
> some real
> physical help. There was a wealth of knowledge available
> to all who
> needed it. In the yard where I kept my boat the owner of
> the yard was a
> Naval Architect and a boat builder and he was always
> available to help.
> These older men were grateful to us younger men for
> carrying on a
> tradition that they loved so their advice was freely
> given.
> This spring time comradely is the thing I miss most in
> boating
> today. It was hard work but the evenings by a fire where
> we all set
> around talking boats every Saturday night in April and May
> were
> wonderful. There was usually someone with a Harpsichord or
> banjo and
> even the yard owner and family would come out and join in.
> As the place became a marina and it filled with glass
> throw away
> boats all this began to change. Even the conversations
> changed to
> things other than boats.
> By the way I think glass boats are the handiest thing
> since breasts
> on a young girl. They allowed people to have and afford
> boats they wold
> never otherwise have. Back in the days of Sam Crocker,
> Hershoff, and
> other historical designers only very determined upper
> middle class
> people could have a fine sleek sailboat built. Us poor
> folks as
> tradesmen where known to be built our own slightly crude
> Chesapeake
> style boats or bought used work boats. Even these were a
> huge
> investment in money an labor and they were intended to be
> handed down
> to children and grand children. No one intended a boat to
> only last 30
> years. That would have been a supreme foolishness and a
> very poor use
> of money and time. Back when I was a child these bay boats
> were fishing
> boats. We used them to crab, oyster, fish and even shoot
> squires and
> ducks from. They were expected to pay their way and then
> some. They
> were sailboats or row boats because engines were hard to
> come by, not
> because people loved to sail but that was the way to get
> out in the bay.
> The only truck we had with yacht clubs was to set in our
> boat
> fishing and listening to the music wafting across the
> water. If close
> enough you could see people dressed in tux and evening
> gown walking and
> talking on the vast front porch of the old one time house
> of illrepute.
> Their voices traveled across the water at night and we
> could her talk of
> investments, the stock market and high finance all a
> foreign language to
> us. I know how it must have felt to be a peasant listening
> to the good
> time being had in a royal castle. It was enough just to
> listen.
> We did not keep boats in a boat yards we kept them at home
> when I
> was a child but in my twenties sailing and boating became
> a hobby. We
> were more prosperous than our fathers and as a machinist
> in Bethlehem
> Steel company I was really surprised and maybe even a
> little resentful
> to hear that I was middle class. I was more interested in
> following in
> my family tradition of being better off than most other
> poor folks. Now
> I found myself at the bottom of the middle class and that
> seemed somehow
> a step down. I had to go into the Machine shop business
> with my eyes
> set on being at least upper middle class. Never wanted to
> be rich as I
> would again feel at the bottom.
> Sorry I have wondered from my subject. A habit!
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Hi Group, From everything that I've read here it sounds more like the
> problem is not rain but condensation. If that's the case then you
> need to figure some way of getting air circulation in there and maybe
> also tilt boat & leave towels at low point in the boat to absorb the
> water so it doesn't sit (must change them daily:).

>
> Doug I remember the same thing only I grew up around the fishing boats
> and work boats here in the Northwest.
>
> I remember watching one of the old timers using a calking iron doing
> the seams on a couple of planks that were just replaced on one of the
> Alaska fish boats.
> Yep an art in it's self.
>
> When I got a little older I helped Dad replace a few planks on one
> boat he was working on getting it ready for the fishing season. Then
> the next years Dad started building his own 40 foot troller for
> Alaskan water. I was right in there after school and weekends. As far
> as I know the Shinaku is still fishing in Alaska.
>
> Yep the old days are going away but every now and then you happen into
> a boat yard and the old timers are still there handing down their
> tricks to the trade to any one that wants to learn!
>
> Blessings Krissie
> From: Douglas Pollard <Dougpol1@...
> <mailto:Dougpol1%40comcast.net>>
>
> That is not really true that boats were not intended to last long.. I
> came from the wooden boat era and boats were expected to last a
> lifetime and to some degree so were automobiles. After all 1930's
> automobiles well maintained would still be in use today had we not been
> convinced to throw everything away. They both took maintenance though.
> The boat I had in my early twenties was 54 years old when I got her.
> Many work boats were over a hundred years old.
> To start with boats were build out of very old trees, only. If a
> builder ordered lumber he went to look at it and if the grain was not
> tight enough it would not be bought. Many builders cut their own timber
> cut it up and air dried it. But there was more, they poisoned it by
> every means available with. lead. tin oxide, copper and arsenic. Pine
> tare, pitch and naphtha were used as well.
> In the 1950's when the first glass boats came out they were poo,
> pooed by boat people because they were only expected to last thirty
> years. A fact that was covered up by builders as soon as possible. It
> was the educated upper middle class that bought glass sailboats. Fiber
> glass did not catch on bating people for a while. It was the none
> boating boaters that bought them, Doctors, lawyers and business men.
> I remember the Captain of a big working skipjack saying he hit the
> newly built Chesapeake bay bridge and broke the mast off his boat. He
> was amazed that they cut a piece and spliced the mast and in his words,
> "There weren't narrey a screw nore a nail in"er no place. Just like I
> thought I had to replace it in less than 25 years. I new it weren't
> no good!
> If you kept a sail boat in a boat yard ( no marinas then) you kept
> it on a mooring covered so the wind could blow through her. You kept
> an A frame and canvas on her with both ends open during the winter. The
> mast and rigging was removed and stored in a shed. Spring was a big
> deal we worked on boats through April and May and it usually took
> that long to replace rot caulking and paint. If you had a finely
> built sailboat with steam bent frames and maybe white cedar or juniper
> planking and the frames and stem went bad. You planned ahead and
> replaced the stem one year and took half the frames the next and the
> rest of them the third year. Canvas covered decks were good for at
> least 20 years. The transom when bad along with the plank ends so I cut
> a foot off the boat length and replace the transom.
> I was young and didn't have the know how but the boatyard was full
> of older men that did. We all got together in the evenings at the boat
> yard and A kid like me got the advice of all and usually some real
> physical help. There was a wealth of knowledge available to all who
> needed it. In the yard where I kept my boat the owner of the yard was a
> Naval Architect and a boat builder and he was always available to help.
> These older men were grateful to us younger men for carrying on a
> tradition that they loved so their advice was freely given.
> This spring time comradely is the thing I miss most in boating
> today. It was hard work but the evenings by a fire where we all set
> around talking boats every Saturday night in April and May were
> wonderful. There was usually someone with a Harpsichord or banjo and
> even the yard owner and family would come out and join in.
> As the place became a marina and it filled with glass throw away
> boats all this began to change. Even the conversations changed to
> things other than boats.
> By the way I think glass boats are the handiest thing since breasts
> on a young girl. They allowed people to have and afford boats they wold
> never otherwise have. Back in the days of Sam Crocker, Hershoff, and
> other historical designers only very determined upper middle class
> people could have a fine sleek sailboat built. Us poor folks as
> tradesmen where known to be built our own slightly crude Chesapeake
> style boats or bought used work boats. Even these were a huge
> investment in money an labor and they were intended to be handed down
> to children and grand children. No one intended a boat to only last 30
> years. That would have been a supreme foolishness and a very poor use
> of money and time. Back when I was a child these bay boats were fishing
> boats. We used them to crab, oyster, fish and even shoot squires and
> ducks from. They were expected to pay their way and then some. They
> were sailboats or row boats because engines were hard to come by, not
> because people loved to sail but that was the way to get out in the bay.
> The only truck we had with yacht clubs was to set in our boat
> fishing and listening to the music wafting across the water. If close
> enough you could see people dressed in tux and evening gown walking and
> talking on the vast front porch of the old one time house of illrepute.
> Their voices traveled across the water at night and we could her talk of
> investments, the stock market and high finance all a foreign language to
> us. I know how it must have felt to be a peasant listening to the good
> time being had in a royal castle. It was enough just to listen.
> We did not keep boats in a boat yards we kept them at home when I
> was a child but in my twenties sailing and boating became a hobby. We
> were more prosperous than our fathers and as a machinist in Bethlehem
> Steel company I was really surprised and maybe even a little resentful
> to hear that I was middle class. I was more interested in following in
> my family tradition of being better off than most other poor folks. Now
> I found myself at the bottom of the middle class and that seemed somehow
> a step down. I had to go into the Machine shop business with my eyes
> set on being at least upper middle class. Never wanted to be rich as I
> would again feel at the bottom.
> Sorry I have wondered from my subject. A habit!
>
> Doug
>
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--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:

> From: Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:53 PM
> Doug I remember the same thing only I grew up around the
> fishing boats and work boats here in the Northwest.
>
> I remember watching one of the old timers using a calking
> iron doing the seams on a couple of planks that were just
> replaced on one of the Alaska fish boats.
> Yep an art in it's self.
>
> When I got a little older I helped Dad replace a few planks
> on one boat he was working on getting it ready for the
> fishing season. Then the next years Dad started building
> his own 40 foot troller for Alaskan water. I was right in
> there after school and weekends. As far as I know the
> Shinaku is still fishing in Alaska.
>
> Yep the old days are going away but every now and then you
> happen into a boat yard and the old timers are still there
> handing down their tricks to the trade to any one that
> wants to learn!
>
> Blessings Krissie
> From: Douglas Pollard <Dougpol1@...>
>
> That is not really true that boats were not intended to
> last long.. I
> came from the wooden boat era and boats were expected to
> last a
> lifetime and to some degree so were automobiles. After all
> 1930's
> automobiles well maintained would still be in use today
> had we not been
> convinced to throw everything away. They both took
> maintenance though.
> The boat I had in my early twenties was 54 years old when
> I got her.
> Many work boats were over a hundred years old.
> To start with boats were build out of very old trees,
> only. If a
> builder ordered lumber he went to look at it and if the
> grain was not
> tight enough it would not be bought. Many builders cut
> their own timber
> cut it up and air dried it. But there was more, they
> poisoned it by
> every means available with. lead. tin oxide, copper and
> arsenic. Pine
> tare, pitch and naphtha were used as well.
> In the 1950's when the first glass boats came out they
> were poo,
> pooed by boat people because they were only expected to
> last thirty
> years. A fact that was covered up by builders as soon as
> possible. It
> was the educated upper middle class that bought glass
> sailboats. Fiber
> glass did not catch on bating people for a while. It was
> the none
> boating boaters that bought them, Doctors, lawyers and
> business men.
> I remember the Captain of a big working skipjack saying he
> hit the
> newly built Chesapeake bay bridge and broke the mast off
> his boat. He
> was amazed that they cut a piece and spliced the mast and
> in his words,
> "There weren't narrey a screw nore a nail
> in"er no place. Just like I
> thought I had to replace it in less than 25 years. I new
> it weren't
> no good!
> If you kept a sail boat in a boat yard ( no marinas then)
> you kept
> it on a mooring covered so the wind could blow through
> her. You kept
> an A frame and canvas on her with both ends open during
> the winter. The
> mast and rigging was removed and stored in a shed. Spring
> was a big
> deal we worked on boats through April and May and it
> usually took
> that long to replace rot caulking and paint. If you had a
> finely
> built sailboat with steam bent frames and maybe white
> cedar or juniper
> planking and the frames and stem went bad. You planned
> ahead and
> replaced the stem one year and took half the frames the
> next and the
> rest of them the third year. Canvas covered decks were
> good for at
> least 20 years. The transom when bad along with the plank
> ends so I cut
> a foot off the boat length and replace the transom.
> I was young and didn't have the know how but the
> boatyard was full
> of older men that did. We all got together in the evenings
> at the boat
> yard and A kid like me got the advice of all and usually
> some real
> physical help. There was a wealth of knowledge available
> to all who
> needed it. In the yard where I kept my boat the owner of
> the yard was a
> Naval Architect and a boat builder and he was always
> available to help.
> These older men were grateful to us younger men for
> carrying on a
> tradition that they loved so their advice was freely
> given.
> This spring time comradely is the thing I miss most in
> boating
> today. It was hard work but the evenings by a fire where
> we all set
> around talking boats every Saturday night in April and May
> were
> wonderful. There was usually someone with a Harpsichord or
> banjo and
> even the yard owner and family would come out and join in.
> As the place became a marina and it filled with glass
> throw away
> boats all this began to change. Even the conversations
> changed to
> things other than boats.
> By the way I think glass boats are the handiest thing
> since breasts
> on a young girl. They allowed people to have and afford
> boats they wold
> never otherwise have. Back in the days of Sam Crocker,
> Hershoff, and
> other historical designers only very determined upper
> middle class
> people could have a fine sleek sailboat built. Us poor
> folks as
> tradesmen where known to be built our own slightly crude
> Chesapeake
> style boats or bought used work boats. Even these were a
> huge
> investment in money an labor and they were intended to be
> handed down
> to children and grand children. No one intended a boat to
> only last 30
> years. That would have been a supreme foolishness and a
> very poor use
> of money and time. Back when I was a child these bay boats
> were fishing
> boats. We used them to crab, oyster, fish and even shoot
> squires and
> ducks from. They were expected to pay their way and then
> some. They
> were sailboats or row boats because engines were hard to
> come by, not
> because people loved to sail but that was the way to get
> out in the bay.
> The only truck we had with yacht clubs was to set in our
> boat
> fishing and listening to the music wafting across the
> water. If close
> enough you could see people dressed in tux and evening
> gown walking and
> talking on the vast front porch of the old one time house
> of illrepute.
> Their voices traveled across the water at night and we
> could her talk of
> investments, the stock market and high finance all a
> foreign language to
> us. I know how it must have felt to be a peasant listening
> to the good
> time being had in a royal castle. It was enough just to
> listen.
> We did not keep boats in a boat yards we kept them at home
> when I
> was a child but in my twenties sailing and boating became
> a hobby. We
> were more prosperous than our fathers and as a machinist
> in Bethlehem
> Steel company I was really surprised and maybe even a
> little resentful
> to hear that I was middle class. I was more interested in
> following in
> my family tradition of being better off than most other
> poor folks. Now
> I found myself at the bottom of the middle class and that
> seemed somehow
> a step down. I had to go into the Machine shop business
> with my eyes
> set on being at least upper middle class. Never wanted to
> be rich as I
> would again feel at the bottom.
> Sorry I have wondered from my subject. A habit!
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> This is an interesting consideration. Phil frequently comments in his
> writings about keeping thru hulls to a minimum. I have eliminated all that
> were in the EstherMae, including the one (sink) above the water line. Of
> course I am now planning to create scuppers for the forward (pending
> modification) and aft cockpits.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>

>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "David C." <d.cassidy@. ..> wrote:
> I wonder what they did before the days of plastic boats?
>
> They got new boats frequently!
>
>

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "David C." <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> I wonder what they did before the days of plastic boats?
>
> They got new boats frequently!
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David C." <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
I wonder what they did before the days of plastic boats?

They got new boats frequently!

--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@ yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:57 AM
> Hi Group, From everything that I've read here it sounds
> more like the problem is not rain but condensation. If
> that's the case then you need to figure some way of
> getting air circulation in there and maybe also tilt boat
> & leave towels at low point in the boat to absorb the
> water so it doesn't sit (must change them daily:).
> WoodenBoat mag Jan-"Feb 2009" #200 had a great
> article on this subject "Temperature, Humidity, and
> Wood Moisture Content" very good. It stressed air
> circulation in a big way. I highly recommend all should
> subscribe, full of great info on all issues & subjects.
> For those outside Canada, UK & US check your public
> library. If they don't carry it, along with friends,
> very nicely pressure them to get it, I think it's that
> good & that helpful (I'm not paid to say that,
> maybe should be;). Thanks and good luck, Mike
>
> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Chris Crandall <crandall@ku. edu>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Crandall <crandall@ku. edu>
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> > To: "No Reply"
> <notify-dg-bolger@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Cc: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 6:01 PM
> > > I suspect far more boats have died from being
> left full
> > of water in
> > > the backyard, than sank due to failure of a
> drain
> > plug.
> >
> > This is my case. Two of my outdoor kept boats (the
> only two
> > I've owned)
> > both had significant problems with rainwater. My
> Michalak
> > Harmonica
> > shantyboat died from it.
> > http://www.ace. net.au/schooner/ occam.htm
> >
> > I kept it well tarped and tied down carefully, but as
> I
> > said in an
> > earlier post, I couldn't keep up with weather.
> Kansas
> > weather is not for
> > the faint-at-heart, and I kept the boat a fair piece
> from
> > my home, and
> > during snow, had no access at all to it. Closer winter
> > storage would
> > have added $200 to season costs, more than I had in
> the
> > budget. The boat
> > lasted through nine seasons, which was more than I had
> > guessed during
> > construction, so I'm not unhappy. But if it had
> had a
> > covered storage
> > spot, it would last twice as long, or more.
> >
> > My other boat afflicted with rainwater was a Catalina
> 22.
> > The drain
> > holes in a C-22 work well enough, until leaves cover
> the
> > two drains. The
> > cockpit filled (and it's considerable) , and the
> boat
> > tipped bow up. It
> > was holding A LOT of water. Drained it, cleaned her
> up,
> > sold her for a
> > reasonable price the next season, got a new chair for
> the
> > living room in
> > exchange.
> >
> > I've taken on a little water here and there from
> drain
> > plugs, etc., but
> > it's a minor thing, and a simple maintenance item,
> and
> > water inside the
> > boat while aboard gets noticed fairly quickly,
> I've
> > found.
> >
> >
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--- On Sat, 4/12/08, Michael Walther <michawalth3@...> wrote:

> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008, 6:57 AM
> Hi Group, From everything that I've read here it sounds
> more like the problem is not rain but condensation. If
> that's the case then you need to figure some way of
> getting air circulation in there and maybe also tilt boat
> & leave towels at low point in the boat to absorb the
> water so it doesn't sit (must change them daily:).
> WoodenBoat mag Jan-"Feb 2009" #200 had a great
> article on this subject "Temperature, Humidity, and
> Wood Moisture Content" very good. It stressed air
> circulation in a big way. I highly recommend all should
> subscribe, full of great info on all issues & subjects.
> For those outside Canada, UK & US check your public
> library. If they don't carry it, along with friends,
> very nicely pressure them to get it, I think it's that
> good & that helpful (I'm not paid to say that,
> maybe should be;). Thanks and good luck, Mike
>
> --- On Fri, 4/11/08, Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> > To: "No Reply"
> <notify-dg-bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 6:01 PM
> > > I suspect far more boats have died from being
> left full
> > of water in
> > > the backyard, than sank due to failure of a
> drain
> > plug.
> >
> > This is my case. Two of my outdoor kept boats (the
> only two
> > I've owned)
> > both had significant problems with rainwater. My
> Michalak
> > Harmonica
> > shantyboat died from it.
> >http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/occam.htm
> >
> > I kept it well tarped and tied down carefully, but as
> I
> > said in an
> > earlier post, I couldn't keep up with weather.
> Kansas
> > weather is not for
> > the faint-at-heart, and I kept the boat a fair piece
> from
> > my home, and
> > during snow, had no access at all to it. Closer winter
> > storage would
> > have added $200 to season costs, more than I had in
> the
> > budget. The boat
> > lasted through nine seasons, which was more than I had
> > guessed during
> > construction, so I'm not unhappy. But if it had
> had a
> > covered storage
> > spot, it would last twice as long, or more.
> >
> > My other boat afflicted with rainwater was a Catalina
> 22.
> > The drain
> > holes in a C-22 work well enough, until leaves cover
> the
> > two drains. The
> > cockpit filled (and it's considerable), and the
> boat
> > tipped bow up. It
> > was holding A LOT of water. Drained it, cleaned her
> up,
> > sold her for a
> > reasonable price the next season, got a new chair for
> the
> > living room in
> > exchange.
> >
> > I've taken on a little water here and there from
> drain
> > plugs, etc., but
> > it's a minor thing, and a simple maintenance item,
> and
> > water inside the
> > boat while aboard gets noticed fairly quickly,
> I've
> > found.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
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--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To: "No Reply" <notify-dg-bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 6:01 PM
> > I suspect far more boats have died from being left full
> of water in
> > the backyard, than sank due to failure of a drain
> plug.
>
> This is my case. Two of my outdoor kept boats (the only two
> I've owned)
> both had significant problems with rainwater. My Michalak
> Harmonica
> shantyboat died from it.
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/occam.htm
>
> I kept it well tarped and tied down carefully, but as I
> said in an
> earlier post, I couldn't keep up with weather. Kansas
> weather is not for
> the faint-at-heart, and I kept the boat a fair piece from
> my home, and
> during snow, had no access at all to it. Closer winter
> storage would
> have added $200 to season costs, more than I had in the
> budget. The boat
> lasted through nine seasons, which was more than I had
> guessed during
> construction, so I'm not unhappy. But if it had had a
> covered storage
> spot, it would last twice as long, or more.
>
> My other boat afflicted with rainwater was a Catalina 22.
> The drain
> holes in a C-22 work well enough, until leaves cover the
> two drains. The
> cockpit filled (and it's considerable), and the boat
> tipped bow up. It
> was holding A LOT of water. Drained it, cleaned her up,
> sold her for a
> reasonable price the next season, got a new chair for the
> living room in
> exchange.
>
> I've taken on a little water here and there from drain
> plugs, etc., but
> it's a minor thing, and a simple maintenance item, and
> water inside the
> boat while aboard gets noticed fairly quickly, I've
> found.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> I wonder what they did before the days of plastic boats? They must have had
> a way to be able to use the boats outside without them falling apart due to
> the elements.

> I suspect far more boats have died from being left full of water in
> the backyard, than sank due to failure of a drain plug.

--- On Fri, 4/11/08, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:10 PM
> > I wonder what they did before the days of plastic
> boats? They must have had
> > a way to be able to use the boats outside without them
> falling apart due to
> > the elements.
>
> I recall that PCB wrote that in the old days, wooden boats
> were not
> expected to last forever. The common attitude was that a
> wooden boat
> should last a reasonable amount of time (10+ years), and
> then be
> replaced with another wooden boat. Sort of like our
> present day
> attitude about modern automobiles.
>
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> I wonder what they did before the days of plastic boats? They must have had
> a way to be able to use the boats outside without them falling apart due to
> the elements.

> I would have to agree, the only place to store a wooden boat is in a structure of some kind. <

> I would have to agree, the only place to store a wooden boat is in a structure of some kind. <

>
> I used the clear stuff, six mil. on my bow shed here in Virginia and the
> sun killed it in nine months. I guess a lot depends on how far north
> or south you are. I then bought the shrink wrap that they wrap boats
> in and put it on and so far it has been on the shed for two years and is
> still flexible and strong. It cost almost 2 1/2 times as much as the
> Home Depot clear stuff. I live in a small town and I promised my
> neighbors the shed would be temporary not more than three years. This
> summer is three years and so I have to be good as my word and take it
> down. Boy I am going to miss it. I may build a garage in it's place
> which is kind of expensive word keeping.
> Doug
>
> Peter Lenihan wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter you can also get the plastic they use on greenhouses and it
> > holds up better to the sunlight. I know a couple of people that have
> > used it on a Bow Shed with good luck.
> > >
> > > Krissie
> >
> > True regarding the greenhouse membrane but it is more expensive and
> > not available as readily as the clear poly film which can be had in
> > any hardware/big box store usually selling around $70CAN for a roll
> > 100' X 40'.
> >
> > The curious thing is on the package it reads in nice big easy to
> > read words: "Protect From Direct Exposure To Sunlight" My Bowshed
> > has been up,day and night, for several years now and just as the
> > stuff is coming to the end of its useful life so is the construction
> > phase for the boat:-)
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
>
>

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
> >
> > Peter you can also get the plastic they use on greenhouses and it
> holds up better to the sunlight. I know a couple of people that have
> used it on a Bow Shed with good luck.
> >
> > Krissie
>
> True regarding the greenhouse membrane but it is more expensive and
> not available as readily as the clear poly film which can be had in
> any hardware/big box store usually selling around $70CAN for a roll
> 100' X 40'.
>
> The curious thing is on the package it reads in nice big easy to
> read words: "Protect From Direct Exposure To Sunlight" My Bowshed
> has been up,day and night, for several years now and just as the
> stuff is coming to the end of its useful life so is the construction
> phase for the boat:-)
>
> Peter
>
>

--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@.. .> wrote:
> I suspect far more boats have
> died from being left full of water in the backyard, than sank due to
> failure of a drain plug.

I'm sure you're correct there.

It can be sneaky too. I have a racing dinghy I have to burn when I can
bring myself to do so. Kept it under plastic tarps that were renewed
when only slightly worn. Religiously bailed and sponged out the cockpit
as required soon after any rainfall. The beckson type plastic
inspection hatch openings in the verticle faces of the front and side
bouyancy chambers were about six inches off the cockpit floor, and the
water level never rose that high. The hatch covers were left off for
air to circulate, so of course it would be dry in there. Turned out
though that the water could wick its way through the bottom seams here
and there into the tanks, and, unlooked for, had a chance to have the
rot set in.

Graeme




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>
> Peter you can also get the plastic they use on greenhouses and it

>
> Krissie

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
>
> Thomas, Graeme, Anhinga fans
>
> Finally got the MAIB article scanned, then broken up to add to
> Bolgercartoons.
>http://tinyurl.com/5br3jv
>
> The image quality is satisfyingly better than expected from the
xerox
> copies.
>
> You can see clearly in the photos the infamous step fins. I'm now
> even more convinced that these catching the water may have
> contributed to the turning turtle. Contrary to the leeboard, as
the
> boat heels the fins get more bite.
>
> Au contraire?
>
> Enjoy,
> Mark
>

Sandy_4.pdf

> I suspect far more boats have
> died from being left full of water in the backyard, than sank due to
> failure of a drain plug.

> writings about keeping thru hulls to a minimum.

> writings about keeping thru hulls to a minimum.

>
> Make jokes all you like about sticks and tarps, but they are

> ineffective under most circumstances. Plastic tarps fade in the

> shred in the wind. They wear down wood, paint, and varnish. They

> devil to keep in place, even with careful tying down. The rings

> rust, and stain the boat. They leak.

> Phil frequently comments in his
> writings about keeping thru hulls to a minimum.

>
> > sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> > ineffective under most circumstances.
>
> Somewhere, near (or perhaps in) that flat bottom, perhaps at the
> transom, there will be a section which, when the boat is in its
> normal "dry" storage position (on a trailer, pulled up on the beach, or
> sitting in your yard), will be near the lowest point of the hull.
>
> Locate the general area, and identify a point within it that is heavily
> built, out of the way, and not prone to damage, particularly on the
> outside. Mark with an X. If you do not have one already, purchase a
> 1" bit, attach it to your electric drill, and proceed to bore through
> the hull structure, centering on the X. In the future, you will find
> that water which finds its way into the hull will exit through this ne
> aperture.
>
> Call this aperture a "Hole".
>
> Should the hole prove inconvenient after the boat is launched, a
> specialty device is manufactured to remedy this. See
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm
> <http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm>
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sal's Dad
>
>
>

>
> ---
> Great idea! My Oldshoe cockpit is huge and not self draining, the
> forward and aft sections are self-draining. I have been concerned
> about outside storage and possiblity of the cover leaking and the
> cockpit filling with water. This is a great solution and thanks for
> that.
>
> Fairwinds,
>
> Dennis
> Bellingham, WA.
>
> Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...> wrote:
> >
> > > sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> > > ineffective under most circumstances.
> >
> > Somewhere, near (or perhaps in) that flat bottom, perhaps at the
> > transom, there will be a section which, when the boat is in its
> > normal "dry" storage position (on a trailer, pulled up on the
> beach, or
> > sitting in your yard), will be near the lowest point of the hull.
> >
> > Locate the general area, and identify a point within it that is
> heavily
> > built, out of the way, and not prone to damage, particularly on the
> > outside. Mark with an X. If you do not have one already,
> purchase a
> > 1" bit, attach it to your electric drill, and proceed to bore
> through
> > the hull structure, centering on the X. In the future, you will
> find
> > that water which finds its way into the hull will exit through this
> ne
> > aperture.
> >
> > Call this aperture a "Hole".
> >
> > Should the hole prove inconvenient after the boat is launched, a
> > specialty device is manufactured to remedy this. See
> >http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm
> <http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm>
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Sal's Dad
> >
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: lancasterdennis
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: boats with plumb sides.


---
Great idea! My Oldshoe cockpit is huge and not self draining, the
forward and aft sections are self-draining. I have been concerned
about outside storage and possiblity of the cover leaking and the
cockpit filling with water. This is a great solution and thanks for
that.

Fairwinds,

Dennis
Bellingham, WA.

Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@...> wrote:
>
> > sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> > ineffective under most circumstances.
>
> Somewhere, near (or perhaps in) that flat bottom, perhaps at the
> transom, there will be a section which, when the boat is in its
> normal "dry" storage position (on a trailer, pulled up on the
beach, or
> sitting in your yard), will be near the lowest point of the hull.
>
> Locate the general area, and identify a point within it that is
heavily
> built, out of the way, and not prone to damage, particularly on the
> outside. Mark with an X. If you do not have one already,
purchase a
> 1" bit, attach it to your electric drill, and proceed to bore
through
> the hull structure, centering on the X. In the future, you will
find
> that water which finds its way into the hull will exit through this
ne
> aperture.
>
> Call this aperture a "Hole".
>
> Should the hole prove inconvenient after the boat is launched, a
> specialty device is manufactured to remedy this. See
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sal's Dad
>






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>
> > sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> > ineffective under most circumstances.
>
> Somewhere, near (or perhaps in) that flat bottom, perhaps at the
> transom, there will be a section which, when the boat is in its
> normal "dry" storage position (on a trailer, pulled up on the

> sitting in your yard), will be near the lowest point of the hull.
>
> Locate the general area, and identify a point within it that is

> built, out of the way, and not prone to damage, particularly on the
> outside. Mark with an X. If you do not have one already,

> 1" bit, attach it to your electric drill, and proceed to bore

> the hull structure, centering on the X. In the future, you will

> that water which finds its way into the hull will exit through this

> aperture.
>
> Call this aperture a "Hole".
>
> Should the hole prove inconvenient after the boat is launched, a
> specialty device is manufactured to remedy this. See
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sal's Dad
>

>
> > sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> > ineffective under most circumstances.
>
> Somewhere, near (or perhaps in) that flat bottom, perhaps at the
> transom, there will be a section which, when the boat is in its
> normal "dry" storage position (on a trailer, pulled up on the beach, or
> sitting in your yard), will be near the lowest point of the hull.
>
> Locate the general area, and identify a point within it that is heavily
> built, out of the way, and not prone to damage, particularly on the
> outside. Mark with an X. If you do not have one already, purchase a
> 1" bit, attach it to your electric drill, and proceed to bore through
> the hull structure, centering on the X. In the future, you will find
> that water which finds its way into the hull will exit through this ne
> aperture.
>
> Call this aperture a "Hole".
>
> Should the hole prove inconvenient after the boat is launched, a
> specialty device is manufactured to remedy this. See
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm
> <http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/plumbing/sd520075/index.htm>
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sal's Dad
>
>
>

> sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> ineffective under most circumstances.

> sticks and tarps, ... are relatively
> ineffective under most circumstances.

On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:

> Thanks for posting the article, but especially for those Polaroid
> photos. Those are new to me, do you have the originals of those
> photos? If yes, and not too much trouble is it possible to do a color
> scan in a 'jpg' format?
>

--- On Thu, 4/10/08,BllFs6@...<BllFs6@...> wrote:

> From:BllFs6@...<BllFs6@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] boats with plumb sides.
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008, 1:58 PM
> In a message dated 4/10/2008 8:18:10 AM Central Daylight
> Time,
>d.cassidy@...writes:
>
> I would call that a "stick."
>
> This is clearly too complicated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It took millions of years for our ancestors to invent the
> stick....and in my
> opinion it was all downhill after that !
>
> Blll
>
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> If only somebody would invent a big plastic sheet to cover the boat so water would not get it. If I invented such a thing, I would call it a tarp, or something.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: captjbturtle <captjbturtle@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 8:29:31 PM
> Subject: [bolger] boats with plumb sides.
>
> fellow builders, i,ve finally figured out a big advantage of boats with
> plumb sides versus flare.They catch less rainwater inside while being
> built.Once moreI,ve spent a miserable half hour bailing my mystery boat
> with a towel and this is in Florida's supposed dry season. Yes it has
> flared sides and catches every drop of rain which falls, The tarp
> system seems to funnel it all aboard.Fortunately the iside is coated so
> rot hasn't set in before the boat is finished. You have figured by now
> its too big to tip and roll the water out of and yes, flat bottomed so
> the rain spreads out in a nice thin sheet making bailing with anything
> but a towel or sponge impossible. Bought more Raka epoxcy yesterday,
> now $59 a gallon, ouch seems to have gone up about $20 overnight and
> they distrubute it her in Fort Pierce. Stretch Bantam, "Pelican" had
> another long voyage without mishap to the Keys, up as far as Sarasota
> on the other coast then back across the Okeechobee waterway, one night
> at a dock and about $150 in fuel over 5 weeks gone, regards john
>
>
>